By Big Tent Democrat

Today is Earth Day and D-Day in Pennsylvania. Zogby makes a shrewd play to regain his reputation by predicting a double digit Clinton victory. If it happens, he nailed it. If it does not no one will remember. The other option he had was to predict an Obama win, but PPP already has that ground covered.

BTW, Suffolk says Clinton by 12 and ARG says Clinton by 16.

This is an Open Thread.

I got nuthin. Time to wait on the voters.

This is an Open Thread.

Update (TL): I'm adding the video of the Shirelles, "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow?" It's been running through my head all day, as I wondered how many Pennsylvanian's will turn out to make sure Hillary stays in the race.

For those of you offline during the weekend and now back at work and surfing around, here's some of what you missed on TalkLeft (we have more than 30 posts up for Saturday and Sunday -- these are a sampling of mine):

• Hillary Responds to Obama Saying McCain Would Be Better Than Bush
• Electability: Why Hillary is More Likely to Beat McCain
• Hillary Asserts She's More Electable Than McCain
• Bob Casey: Obama Would Probably Find DC Handgun Ban Constitutional
• Bill Clinton Explains Falsities in Obama's Latest Ad
• The Candidate for Change Goes AWOL in Message Today

And since I've got to get back to work in the real world, this is an Open Thread.

By Big Tent Democrat

I erroneously cited a SurveyUSA PA poll as the most recent poll. It was NOT the SUSA final PA poll. It was an old poll. I regret the error.

This is an Open Thread.

Open Thread bonus - GOP pollster Strategic Vision has it 48-41 Clinton in PA.

Passover begins tonight. Here's the story in a nutshell:

The Children of Israel arrive in Egypt; Pharaoh fears their growth and enslaves them; a leader is born. As a young man, Moses leaves the palace and discovers the hardship of his brethren; thus begins his journey to become leader of the Israelites.

Pharaoh refuses to let the People of Israel go; G-d brings upon Egypt ten plagues; the people of Egypt beg Pharaoh to let the Jews go; Pharaoh's heart remains hardened.

Pharaoh's resistance is finally broken and he actually chases the Israelites from his land. Finally, the Jews are free...but the story's not over yet.

More...

For Hillary: Livin' On a Prayer, my favorite version, which isn't available free anywhere but here since it's from my recording (it probably won't last long either so watch it while you can.) See if you can spot a very animated Charlotte from Sex and the City in the audience.

This is an open thread.

Lots of work for me today, which means an open thread for you. What's on your mind?

You pick the topics, I'll be back eventually.

(Update:Comments now closed. You all made me hungry, I'm going to the grocery store and will be back in a few hours. Also, for those of you who like to put urls in your comments, check out the comment below about tinyurls where you can make them short enough they won't skew the site and get your comment deleted.

Update: Comments now closed, new post-debate thread is here .

Hillary Obama PA live thread continued.

If you're not by a tv or on the East Coast, you can watch online here.

Our first live thread is here.

I'll be putting up some polls during the debate to see how you think the candidates and questioners are doing. Big Tent's posts will say BTD and mine will be TL.

The live blog stays below the fold so that it can be a bit wider than the front page allows. Just click on the "There's More" button or bookmark the permalink to go directly to it.

If comments hit 200, we'll start a new one.

This is it. The Pennsylvania debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

If you're not by a tv or on the East Coast, you can watch online here.

Big Tent Democrat and I will be live-blogging starting just before 6:00 pm.

I'll be putting up some polls during the debate to see how you think the candidates and questioners are doing. Big Tent's posts will say BTD and mine will be TL.

The live blog stays below the fold so that it can be a bit wider than the front page allows. Just click on the "There's More" button or bookmark the permalink to go directly to it.

If comments hit 200, we'll start a new one.

I'm on a lunch break and due back in court this afternoon. Here's an open thread, led by Johnny Cash singing at San Quentin, home to more than 600 death row inmates. More on life and waiting for death at San Quentin here.

You can read how they kill inmates here. How unfortunate the Supreme Court didn't agree, You wouldn't do a dog this way.

A quote from today's Supreme Court opinion in Baze v. Rees is below.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome. I'll be back for tonight's Hilllary-Obama debate.

By Big Tent Democrat

Speaking for me only

Oliver Willis writes:

Hillary Clinton and her surrogates sure feel a strong need to echo right-wing attacks versus Sen. Obama. And that’s fine with me. At the end of the day this will teach us that no matter what the Clintons cannot be trusted anywhere near the leadership of the Democratic party in the future.

(Emphasis supplied.) I guess when Obama's camp says Hillary will "say and do anything," that repeating a "Right Wing attacks" is ok to Willis. But let's leave that aside. Willis' post reminded me of what Barack Obama said in 2006 about Dems and religion:

Democrats, for the most part, have taken the bait. At best, we may try to avoid the conversation about religious values altogether, fearful of offending anyone and claiming that - regardless of our personal beliefs - constitutional principles tie our hands. At worst, some liberals dismiss religion in the public square as inherently irrational or intolerant, insisting on a caricature of religious Americans that paints them as fanatical, or thinking that the very word "Christian" describes one's political opponents, not people of faith.

Seems like Barack Obama forgot to heed to his own repetition of "Right Wing attacks." He appears to have "taken the bait" in his San Francisco remarks. Obama 2006 is quite harsh in his criticism of Obama 2008.

By Big Tent Democrat

Speaking for me only

Apparently, the "Creative Class" blogosphere just fell off the political turnip truck. Josh Marshall approvingly quotes (now seconded by Matt Yglesias, will it make the complete rounds of the "creative Class"?) Harvard sociologist Theda Skocpol:

I have been in meetings with the Clintons and their advisors where very clinical things were said in a very-detached tone about unwillingness of working class voters to trust government -- and Bill Clinton -- and about their unfortunate (from a Clinton perspective) proclivity to vote on life-style rather than economic issues. To see Hillary going absolutely over the top to smash Obama for making clearly more humanly sympathetic observations in this vein, is just amazing.

Um, if the difference between internal campaign discussions and candidate statements on the stump (and Ms. Skocpol's characterization of Obama's statements is extremely charitable at best) is beyond Josh Marshall, then it is pretty clear he has no clue about politics. But let's face it - Josh does know the difference. This is just more of his Clinton Derangement Syndrome. Oh BTW, I would not be trotting out a Harvard sociologist to defend Obama from a charge of elitism if I were the Obama campaign.