Hillary Obama PA Debate: Live Blog (I)

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Posted on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 06:43:35 PM EST
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This is it. The Pennsylvania debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

If you're not by a tv or on the East Coast, you can watch online here.

Big Tent Democrat and I will be live-blogging starting just before 6:00 pm.

I'll be putting up some polls during the debate to see how you think the candidates and questioners are doing. Big Tent's posts will say BTD and mine will be TL.

The live blog stays below the fold so that it can be a bit wider than the front page allows. Just click on the "There's More" button or bookmark the permalink to go directly to it.

If comments hit 200, we'll start a new one.

Comments now closed, new thread up.

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Hillary Obama PA Debate: Live Blog (I) | 237 comments (237 topical)

If you're having trouble with the feed (5.00 / 2) (#3)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:02:05 PM EST

paste the following into your media player, but replace http with mms.

This is the link.

I really hope (5.00 / 2) (#5)
by americanincanada on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:03:02 PM EST

that supporters of both candidates hold down on the booing and such.

: I Hate That (5.00 / 1) (#95)
by BDB on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:24:02 PM EST

Even when I agree with it, I hate it. Very rude.

[ Parent ]

OH NO (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:03:49 PM EST

he's opening with BitterCling!

We must create a cocktail (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by catfish on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:08:45 PM EST

to celebrate that phrase. BitterCling. The debate-watching drink.

[ Parent ]

LOL - contains bitters (5.00 / 2) (#32)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:10:07 PM EST

and Cointreau?

[ Parent ]

Grapefruit and Molassas and Drambuie (5.00 / 2) (#39)
by Salo on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:12:38 PM EST

[ Parent ]

: Heh heh heh (5.00 / 1) (#52)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:15:02 PM EST

you must be from the "creative class!" ;-)

[ Parent ]
: ###Gross!@## (5.00 / 1) (#81)
by themomcat on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:20:53 PM EST

Yuchhh. Grapefruit juice and molasses. You should never be allowed to bartend. ;-)

[ Parent ]

Oh these debates (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by lilburro on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:04:39 PM EST

are always so weird...with the podiums and stuff. But they make great SNL skits.

Wow... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by americanincanada on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:04:42 PM EST

can't believe he went there right away.

it's like picking a scab (none / 0) (#13)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:05:44 PM EST

he just can't leave it alone.

[ Parent ]

Not watching (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by nell on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:06:51 PM EST

my stomach is too tied up in knots for her, but he HAD to go there to clear the air on his own terms.

[ Parent ]

you should watch (none / 0) (#17)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:07:36 PM EST

Hillary rocks in debates!

[ Parent ]

Heh (5.00 / 2) (#29)
by nell on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:09:54 PM EST

I know, but when he attacks her I get so fighting mad. Truth be told, I cannot stand to listen to him. It would get exhausting to have to keep muting him. It is a weird feeling when someone speaking annoys you more than GWB, but he does...what can I say...

[ Parent ]

: I know what you mean (none / 0) (#88)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:22:52 PM EST

if he becomes POTUS, I'll be tuning him out on a regular basis.

[ Parent ]

Once you start you can't stop. (5.00 / 1) (#21)
by Salo on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:08:39 PM EST

bitter is justified, but no you aint bitter, your bitter enough Hillary!

[ Parent ]

it's all very Orwellian. (5.00 / 1) (#14)
by Salo on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:06:42 PM EST

it's true, inartful, insulting bitter, frustrating etc.

He sounded (5.00 / 2) (#19)
by americanincanada on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:08:01 PM EST

bitter and defensive.

Ayiyi (5.00 / 2) (#31)
by lilburro on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:10:03 PM EST

a little late to become a populist, Obama.

OMG (5.00 / 6) (#37)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:11:46 PM EST

She is absolutely nailing this response.

And she's generously giving him credit for feeling the same way, when he doesn't.

And she's blaming Bush.

Could she be any more Presidential?

[sorry but she's so good at this, will stop raving now]

Obama just seems halting to me (5.00 / 1) (#41)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:13:15 PM EST

: So what else is new? (none / 0) (#42)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:13:35 PM EST

[ Parent ]
: Talked around it. (none / 0) (#48)
by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:14:17 PM EST

[ Parent ]

Obama (5.00 / 1) (#49)
by lilburro on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:14:28 PM EST

just needs to say he's sorry. He never addresses that anti-immigrant, anti-trade part of the quote, which people do actually know about. His explanations and rationalizations just sound dumb.

: and Obama has said he won't apologize (none / 0) (#77)
by Josey on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:20:04 PM EST

He merely expressed regret that his intellectual analyzing of gun toting Bible thumpin racists offended them.

[ Parent ]

What a crappy question (5.00 / 1) (#62)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:17:31 PM EST

from Stephanopoulos.

They're looking for a "gotcha!" moment.

Obama says that he's (5.00 / 1) (#74)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:19:48 PM EST

done more to reach out to people of faith. Don't we remember.

I cannot believe (5.00 / 1) (#90)
by americanincanada on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:23:14 PM EST

he brought up the cookie thing. it was totally different.

: cookie thing? (none / 0) (#98)
by nycstray on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:24:10 PM EST

[ Parent ]

Wrightgate now.... (5.00 / 1) (#97)
by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:24:07 PM EST

I'm sure they will get to Bosnia gate, but right now its Obamagates.

Lousy (5.00 / 1) (#102)
by americanincanada on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:25:48 PM EST

answer by Obama. How could he not have known the Wright subject would come up? He seemed totally unprepared for that.

BTD -- Get Used to It (5.00 / 1) (#104)
by cdalygo on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:26:23 PM EST

This is what will happen if and when he gets the nomination.

Press will lay into him.

Now let's see how he handles it. Good answer so far on Wright -- but then he falls back on who he is the one.

Successful in bridging lines doesn't occur when you let your campaign race bait. Let's see if she goes after him on race baiting.

this is like an anti-NBC Debate. that is wrong. (5.00 / 1) (#109)
by BDB on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:27:47 PM EST

I agree that it's wrong, but we might as well see how he deals with it (if it continues, which I'm betting it won't). He's going to get it all through the general with McCain.

9/11 (5.00 / 1) (#110)
by Klio on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:27:52 PM EST

great reply by HRC

wow, this is brutal (5.00 / 1) (#115)
by boredmpa on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:28:51 PM EST

Most brutal I've seen, i can't imagine 90 minutes of this on both candidates.

Obama looks mad (5.00 / 1) (#116)
by kmblue on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:28:51 PM EST

about the grilling re Wright.

: Makes you wonder (5.00 / 1) (#124)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:30:00 PM EST

how he'd hold up in the GE vs. McCain.

[ Parent ]

20 yrs and 20K (5.00 / 1) (#117)
by phillhrrll on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:29:00 PM EST

yet didn't hear a thing.....right

Obama can say "I didn't know - (5.00 / 1) (#118)
by Anne on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:29:11 PM EST

I didn't know" over and over and over, but the more he says it, the less believable it is.

BTD, it's a big deal. Might as well get it over (5.00 / 1) (#119)
by Teresa on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:29:23 PM EST

with. It's the first primary and debate post-Wright. I know it seems unfair but it needs answered and put behind him.

I still think they'll go after Hillary too.

I Disagree. (5.00 / 1) (#122)
by AmyinSC on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:29:50 PM EST

This is one of the VERY few times that he has actually had to take some responsibility.

Or you could look at it as him being given the opportunity AGAIN to set the record straight.

That was a crazy question by Stephanapolis... (5.00 / 1) (#123)
by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:29:53 PM EST

...he is being really pissy.

: What did George ask? (5.00 / 1) (#133)
by MarkL on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:31:35 PM EST

[ Parent ]

!!! "love america as much as you" (5.00 / 1) (#125)
by boredmpa on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:30:27 PM EST

This is horrible...

I think he's going to face worst in the ge also (5.00 / 1) (#126)
by gish720 on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:30:28 PM EST

I'm sure they're going to hammer Hillary on the Bosnia stuff soon...this is almost the first time he's faced tough questions. Except for the one time he was asked about the Farrakhan issue.

My theory is that (5.00 / 1) (#128)
by Anne on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:30:54 PM EST

they are going after Obama so that when or if his numbers do not take a nosedive, that will be "proof" that the SD's can commit and Obama can win.

It's like they are putting on a new layer of Teflon.

Oh now he's disowned (5.00 / 1) (#129)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:31:01 PM EST

Rev. Wright? Or just the comments?

This is kind of a BS issue to me, but I do enjoy seeing Obama squirm.

Now they're asking him if he (5.00 / 2) (#130)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:31:03 PM EST

"disowns" Wright.

Ugh.

Steph is ridiculous (5.00 / 2) (#134)
by ruffian on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:31:37 PM EST

who cares how patriotic wright is?

Hillary, just let it go.

Bizarro world (5.00 / 2) (#136)
by kmblue on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:31:40 PM EST

Clinton is usually the punching bag.

Drop it Hillary. (5.00 / 2) (#137)
by Teresa on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:31:46 PM EST

Ruh Roh.... (5.00 / 1) (#142)
by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:32:29 PM EST

...told you he pissed her off.

Why Pols Can't Stop Talking (5.00 / 1) (#155)
by BDB on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:36:04 PM EST

They talk for a living and therefore believe they can always talk their way out of anything. I used to represent stock brokers before the SEC. Exact same problem. We spent most of our time teaching them to STFU. I'd say only worked about half the time.

Dang, they phrase it sweetly but these are (5.00 / 1) (#156)
by Teresa on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:36:05 PM EST

daggers.

Oh my lord, this is horrible. (5.00 / 1) (#165)
by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:38:11 PM EST

Oh, noes! (5.00 / 1) (#166)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:38:35 PM EST

The American flag!

I'm not an Obama supporter but this is ridiculous.

: Amazing how (none / 0) (#174)
by lilburro on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:40:21 PM EST

much less inspiring Obama's story seems when he is constantly being attacked. This is a nutty debate.

[ Parent ]

I see the potential (5.00 / 1) (#172)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:39:32 PM EST

for a sympathy vote here. (for OBAMA).

The Weather Underground!!!!! (5.00 / 1) (#181)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:41:29 PM EST

This is outrageous.

: I know I shouldn't be loving this, (none / 0) (#190)
by dk on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:42:44 PM EST

but after the months of Hillary bashing we've seen, I think one of these kinds of debates is ok.

[ Parent ]

They're going to ask him about Rezko next. (5.00 / 1) (#184)
by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:41:56 PM EST

William Ayers (5.00 / 1) (#185)
by facta non verba on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:42:14 PM EST

OMG.

They Asked Him About the Flag Pin (5.00 / 2) (#187)
by BDB on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:42:17 PM EST

I just know tomorrow that's going to be Hillary's fault.

And this is why Josh Marshall and Kos and every other blogger who has given up honest media criticism because you enjoyed watching Hillary get mistreated at debates and by the media because it helped your guy that YOU DON'T DO THAT. Because, in the end, these people aren't our friends. They're John McCain friends.

Oh Hillary, don't. . . . (5.00 / 1) (#195)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:43:22 PM EST

Ayers is NOT irrelevant, sorry! (5.00 / 1) (#199)
by MarkL on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:43:37 PM EST

It speaks to the same question as Wright, which is Obama's inability to disassociate himself from politically toxic people. Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist murderer. Obama served on a board with him for 3 years, and took his money. I find it a legitimate issue.

: In that Sept 11,2001 interview (none / 0) (#227)
by RalphB on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:52:00 PM EST

Ayers called me the terrorist because I served in the Marine Corps in Vietnam. As far as I am concerned, he's scum and has never served a day of time or repented for his domestic terrorism. It can be a big deal for old guys like me.
The two people Clinton pardoned had served time for their crimes and I'm fine with that.

[ Parent ]

This is an inoculation - for Obama - (5.00 / 1) (#200)
by Anne on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:43:43 PM EST

they're getting it all out on the table, so he can get it behind him.

For the Lord's sake (5.00 / 1) (#209)
by kmblue on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:45:16 PM EST

all those who were silent when Hillary
got hammered by the MSM, take a bow.
IMHO, it's preview night for Obama's GE.
God help us!

She just hit (5.00 / 1) (#210)
by facta non verba on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:45:17 PM EST

a grand slam with the line on the GOP.

: Plouffe's email tomorrow... (none / 0) (#218)
by Dawn Davenport on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:47:46 PM EST

...will read:
SEN. CLINTON DEMANDS ONE-PARTY SYSTEM

[ Parent ]

Haven't seen BTD this upset before (1.00 / 1) (#138)
by catfish on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:31:50 PM EST

about the unfairness.

: Read the Live Blog of the Last NBC Debate (5.00 / 1) (#150)
by BDB on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:33:48 PM EST

It's a classic. BTD hammers NBC for its treatment of Hillary.
I'm not watching this one, but it sounds just as bad.
The media isn't any democrat's friend. Ever.

[ Parent ]

Is this really it? No NC debate for sure? (none / 0) (#1)
by Teresa on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 06:51:45 PM EST

: Hmm? (5.00 / 1) (#27)
by Dalton Hoffine on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:09:32 PM EST

I think there's one scheduled for April 27th at the RBC Center at N.C. State. I applied for tickets, anyways.

[ Parent ]

I wonder (none / 0) (#2)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:00:30 PM EST

if they'll ask Hillary to declare her love for the Phillies and Pirates?

She'd better not!!! ;-)

There's Chelsea! (none / 0) (#4)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:02:12 PM EST

Good (none / 0) (#6)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:03:09 PM EST

no applause.

They can't even applaud! (none / 0) (#7)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:03:15 PM EST

I wonder if they'll boo!

Shout out to Latrobe (none / 0) (#9)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:03:49 PM EST

but can Barack bring back Rolling Rock?!

Obama (none / 0) (#10)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:04:00 PM EST

rephrasing bitterness as frustration.

HRC was uplifting and positive (none / 0) (#15)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:06:46 PM EST

whereas Obama was immediately defensive.

IMHO of course. ;-)

I also noticed (none / 0) (#20)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:08:25 PM EST

he didn't reference her at all in his opening statement, but she mentioned him.

[ Parent ]

: She is gracious as always. (5.00 / 1) (#25)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:09:26 PM EST

[ Parent ]

Commercials already? criminy. (none / 0) (#18)
by ruffian on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:07:56 PM EST

I thought Hillary's statement sounded fresher. But them I'm a sucker for 'we the people' constitution talk. Hope she stays in that theme.

Oooh (none / 0) (#23)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:08:49 PM EST

the Cuomo solution!

Oh, boo! (none / 0) (#24)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:09:06 PM EST

What a stupid question. Joint ticket - bleh.

thinks highly of her record (none / 0) (#26)
by ruffian on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:09:31 PM EST

not of her. Nice.

I noticed that too (none / 0) (#33)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:10:42 PM EST

what a guy!

[ Parent ]

: heh, she's got the better answer. (none / 0) (#36)
by nycstray on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:11:34 PM EST

[ Parent ]

i noticed (none / 0) (#34)
by Klio on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:11:14 PM EST

seemed churlish :-(

[ Parent ]

Wha..? (none / 0) (#46)
by nell on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:14:04 PM EST

He didn't SAY that did he? The "but not her" part???

[ Parent ]

: No he didn't say it (none / 0) (#55)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:16:18 PM EST

but it was rather pointed that he praised her record but not her.

[ Parent ]

in AUGUST we'll come together? oy. (none / 0) (#28)
by nycstray on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:09:50 PM EST

Richardson (none / 0) (#30)
by phillhrrll on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:09:56 PM EST

sighs in relief

: LOL. (none / 0) (#40)
by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:12:42 PM EST

[ Parent ]
: And at least a half dozen others..... (none / 0) (#66)
by ineedalife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:19:09 PM EST

he has probably allowed to think they have a chance.

[ Parent ]

She is a real team player (none / 0) (#35)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:11:21 PM EST

Him, not so much.

Here we go (none / 0) (#38)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:12:12 PM EST

more Bittergate.

ah jeez (none / 0) (#43)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:13:45 PM EST

what is he talking about?

their situation DID change when Bill was in the White House!

: that's what I was thinking too (none / 0) (#231)
by ruffian on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:53:14 PM EST

[ Parent ]

WOW (none / 0) (#44)
by americanincanada on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:13:59 PM EST

We can look forward to even more mangled statements...great..like we have not had enough of that with Bush.

not a good reply (none / 0) (#45)
by Klio on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:14:01 PM EST

to the bitter question

yeesh

I hope Hillary brings up the # of jobs in PA (none / 0) (#47)
by Teresa on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:14:14 PM EST

during the Clinton years.

Mangled up : (none / 0) (#50)
by phillhrrll on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:14:51 PM EST

I will insult you again and expect a pass

Are Obama's thumb and index fingers (none / 0) (#51)
by Anne on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:14:54 PM EST

Krazy-glued together? I'm hating that gesture for some reason.

: It has bugged me for a long time (none / 0) (#61)
by ruffian on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:17:26 PM EST

[ Parent ]
: It's to keep from pointing (none / 0) (#105)
by dianem on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:26:26 PM EST

Pointing when you talk is rude, fists are angry looking, but if you're a "hand mover" you have to do something with your hands while you're talking... thus the thumb-index thing.

[ Parent ]

can't believe he is saying it again (none / 0) (#53)
by ruffian on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:15:04 PM EST

He still doesn't get it (none / 0) (#54)
by Edgar08 on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:15:30 PM EST

You can be making 2 million per year and have the same values of someone who has been out of work for 20 years.

Oh now this is good...the respect angle. (none / 0) (#56)
by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:16:23 PM EST

...I didn't like her answer so much until that.

How many more times (none / 0) (#57)
by RalphB on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:16:25 PM EST

is Obama going to jam that wingtip down his throat about BitterCling? Just apologize and move on, jeez.

Obama looks really, really angry. (none / 0) (#58)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:16:34 PM EST

he's bitter (none / 0) (#63)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:17:55 PM EST

[ Parent ]

OMG (none / 0) (#69)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:19:32 PM EST

why doesn't he just let it go!

[ Parent ]

: because (none / 0) (#79)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:20:14 PM EST

he always has to be right.

[ Parent ]

not loving george's first question (none / 0) (#59)
by Klio on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:17:17 PM EST

kinda shallow. disappointing

: She slips in a dig (none / 0) (#72)
by phillhrrll on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:19:35 PM EST

regarding Florida all votes are important, I believe Obama is a wee bit insecure.

[ Parent ]

Ha Ha. And Kos people were complaining about Steph (none / 0) (#60)
by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:17:20 PM EST

...he drank the koolaid!

Yes, he can win (none / 0) (#64)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:18:28 PM EST

but she can do it better. Good for her!

Good hit on McCain - (none / 0) (#65)
by lilburro on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:18:33 PM EST

he has the wrong ideas. Hillary is very smooth tonight.

Ha ha...he can't let bittergate go. (none / 0) (#67)
by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:19:22 PM EST

you call that a me too? (none / 0) (#68)
by TruthMatters on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:19:30 PM EST

what did you expect him to say? No, she cant win?

thats an unfair jab.

Wedge issues (none / 0) (#70)
by Practically Lactating on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:19:32 PM EST

I am not watching the debate, just going off of the live blog, but I object to this "wedge issues" answer almost as much as his original statement.

I am a Democrat, first and foremost, because of social justice issues (not economic ones). If protecting a women's right to choose meant sacrificing my economic interest, I would do it without a second thought.

People vote on values all the time, so why is in inappropriate to be a "values voter" when you are a small town Midwesterner? And who is Barack Obama to decide what the "important" issues are?

Obama has done more (none / 0) (#71)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:19:33 PM EST

than anyone else in reaching out to people of faith.

And gun owners!

No one has done more for gun owners.... (none / 0) (#73)
by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:19:41 PM EST

He's Overreaching Again (none / 0) (#75)
by cdalygo on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:19:54 PM EST

He has not done the MOST on anything

Bashing Dems Again (none / 0) (#76)
by Edgar08 on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:19:56 PM EST

We're to blame for not reaching out to people of faith.

I've done more than...MOST other people (none / 0) (#78)
by ruffian on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:20:08 PM EST

he's learning anyway.

Now he is just bitching about politics, not answering any question.

Obama attacks first ?? (none / 0) (#80)
by lilburro on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:20:15 PM EST

Look at her eyes. I think he made her angry. (none / 0) (#82)
by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:21:06 PM EST

: Sure did (none / 0) (#89)
by phillhrrll on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:22:54 PM EST

She's much more assertive than him

[ Parent ]

Obama makes the claim again (none / 0) (#83)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:21:09 PM EST

that he can transform politics. Good luck.

Oh, now he's being a little nice to her (none / 0) (#84)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:21:14 PM EST

but now he's preaching to her.

Like he never indulges in political distractions!

I thought the baking cookies thing (none / 0) (#94)
by lilburro on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:24:00 PM EST

was a little bit of a low blow.

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: it really was (none / 0) (#141)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:32:24 PM EST

he was being snotty again.

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gawd (none / 0) (#85)
by boredmpa on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:21:27 PM EST

"you take one statement and beat it to death."

GAH, how about the memo calling Bill a racist because he wanted hillary by his side over mandela.

Obama kinda clingy tonight - (none / 0) (#86)
by Anne on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:21:43 PM EST

cannot let go of this thing - and I'm beginning to think that Charlie Gibson should just not have gone there.

He accuses her (none / 0) (#87)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:22:05 PM EST

of right-wing tactics. That's pretty ironic.

what is hillary looking at (none / 0) (#91)
by badu on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:23:44 PM EST

or who?

Oh boy (none / 0) (#92)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:23:50 PM EST

this is an absolute massacre of Obama tonight by Gibson.

No issues to be discussed tonight, I guess!

Gibson put's him in a bind (none / 0) (#93)
by phillhrrll on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:23:54 PM EST

then he lies

BTD, I agree she is better in debates (none / 0) (#96)
by ruffian on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:24:04 PM EST

It's one of the ways she won me over to begin with. I want someone in office who can explain things clearly and concisely.

Oh, he only saw Wright's remarks (none / 0) (#99)
by stillife on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:24:19 PM EST

on YouTube. Okay then! I totally believe that!

BTD, I agree it's rough on Obama so far. (none / 0) (#100)
by Teresa on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:24:48 PM EST

They will probably even it out though, as opposed to NBC.

: I think she knows it will come her way (5.00 / 1) (#107)
by nycstray on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:27:25 PM EST

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: Yeah, I suspect that will happen (5.00 / 1) (#112)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:27:59 PM EST

if it doesn't, this will have been an unfair debate.

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: Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#114)
by lilburro on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:28:20 PM EST

this is kind of sad.

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: I hope not, it's about time (none / 0) (#131)
by RalphB on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:31:03 PM EST

we got a taste of what if might be like in the fall.

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He'd do best to shut up (none / 0) (#101)
by phillhrrll on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:25:48 PM EST

The rule of holes, "Connect" with who ?

I agree it has been the anti-NBC debate so far (none / 0) (#103)
by ruffian on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:26:08 PM EST

But they got his two big things done early.

Okay, now they're attacking (none / 0) (#106)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:26:58 PM EST

Clinton over Wright.

She gave a good answer though. (none / 0) (#108)
by Maria Garcia on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:27:28 PM EST

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Yes (none / 0) (#121)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:29:32 PM EST

but this is absolutely painful to watch.

Could they be more horrible to him?

Oh my God!

I don't even like him and this is unfair!

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Welcome to Clinton Land (5.00 / 1) (#139)
by BDB on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:31:56 PM EST

And gird yourself for seven more months of it if he's the nominee.

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Oh please, (none / 0) (#151)
by madamab on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:34:50 PM EST

I've been saying this from the beginning.

It's just shocking to see it directed at him, and to see how poorly he's handling it.

I just don't think he can make it.

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: Obama (5.00 / 1) (#159)
by lilburro on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 07:37:15 PM EST

is finally climbing on "the media hates us" train. Like the populism, it's a new phase. As a Hillary supporter I'm unmmoved.

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