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Aspen Bound and Another Open Thread

It's time for the Annual NORML legal conference in Aspen. As always, I'll be staying with Anita at Owl Farm in Woody Creek, just outside of Aspen -- and with the peacocks. (And, she tells me 29 other animals.)

I'll leave you with a note that Hunter had on his fridge. I have no idea what he meant, but it seems particularly topical. [More...]

Have a great weekend, I'll be checking in from time to time, but not before late tonight.

This is another open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Words to live by... (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 12:47:51 PM EST
    smart dude that Hunter, that's certainly high on my list of life codes.  

    That is an interesting pic J (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by ZtoA on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 01:38:48 PM EST
    That Hunter is a slightly creepy looking guy, but it looks like he is in the pic twice - in the background with a striped shirt to go with his plaid shirt. Must have a great and dry sense of humor.

    I'm making a dinner for friends tonite. Lamb stew with dried figs and lemon, with fresh ginger, saffron, garlic and sweet onion. I slow cook it all afternoon and serve with a creamy polenta, and a salad that includes grilled asparagus and a fresh tarragon dressing. Dessert is a checkerboard cake - dense semisweet chocolate cake checkerboarded with "hog-it-down" vanilla ice cream with a bit of whipped cream with homemade kahlua (a gift). Love to cook and only do it occasionally, altho I usually try to treat my sister and her family for Sunday night dinners.

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    yum (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by sj on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:53:49 PM EST
    that sounds wonderful!

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    Have an awesome weekend, Jeralyn, ... (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:04:28 PM EST
    ... although I don't necessarily envy your weekend amongst the peacocks.

    Before we moved to our present place in 1996, we lived a year on the slopes of Koko Crater in the Hawaii Kai area of east Honolulu, and we had feral peafowl living in the trees and brush above us.

    All I can say is that I find them to be terribly noisy (and dirty) birds to have around, and they possess a shrill banshee-like cry that sounds like someone yelling "Help! Help! Help!" And I swear, whenever they landed on our roof, especially in the middle of the night -- well, it sounded like someone dropped a bowling ball on our house.

    Okay, that's enough about peafowl. My younger daughter is graduating with honors from high school tonight at 6:30 p.m., and my mother and aunt arrived from Pasadena, CA and the spouse's parents from Corpus Christi, TX this week for the occasion.

    After the ceremony, she and most of her class are going out on the Honolulu Star for a celebratory cruise off Waikiki (non-alcoholic, of course), while her parental and grandparental units will have to console ourselves with dinner and cocktails at Roy's Bistro.

    Anyway, I wish you a wonderful and successful conference. Aspen in June sounds like heaven, especially in the company of good friends -- even with the peacocks.

    Aloha.

    Very cool (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by ks on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:10:19 PM EST
    Congrats to your daughter and of course to you and the rest of your family.

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    Mahalo nui loa. (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 03:13:22 PM EST
    It's a big day for her, and we're all very proud of her accomplishments. She's very excited and and at the same time quite nervous, as to be expected. It's one of life's milestones, marking a transition from childhood. I'll never forget the day of my high school granduation, but that's because I was in a pretty bad traffic accident earlier that morning.

    I had driven my mother's Ford LTD to the store and was returning home, when I got hit by a guy -- the Lutheran minister from the church up the street, no less -- who had been distracted and inadvertantly ran the red light at E. Mountain Street and N. Allen Ave. in Pasadena, which was less than one block from our house. He struck me broadside on the passenger side, so hard that he flipped and rolled me twice. Surprisingly, the other driver was fine, and in fact I later learned that he was the one who pulled me from the wreck.

    Even though the accident obviously wasn't my fault, I do remember apologizing to my mother profusely at the scene for totalling her car; she had heard the crash from inside our house and ran outside. I was checked out at the hospital emergency room and released, and thus got to attend my graduation that night, albeit with a concussion and headache. It gave everyone a good story to talk about later.

    Let's just say that it was an auspicious debut to my adulthood, and altogether consistent with my penchant back then for somehow always finding my way into drama.

    Aloha.

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    Shingles update (5.00 / 5) (#20)
    by Dadler on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:21:12 PM EST
    After five days of sheer hell, things seem to be getting better. Finally slept through a night, or close enough, which I needed desperately, having gone almost delusional earlier in the day from lack of sleep and enduring pain.  Got a week to get better for our NYC trip.  Hey, KDog, the Dadlers are coming to Manhattan on the 11th.  Should be a hoot.  

    For real? (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:30:47 PM EST
    Nice one!  Not the shingles obviously (tough break bro), but the eastward voyage.

    I would love to get together if you have time to spare.  My email is in my user info bro if you can swing it.  

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    I'll flip you an email (none / 0) (#32)
    by Dadler on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 03:46:33 PM EST
    We'll be there 11th to the 19th, staying in midtwon.  We should have plenty of time to at least grab a bite or something.  Mostly we'll be doing the big stuff with my son, who's never been to the city.  Look for that email next week.  

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    kdog knows a great pub on upper (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:09:10 PM EST
    West Side.  

    Are you going to any plays?  One Man, 2 guvnors is really funny.  

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    If they don't card my 12 year-old (none / 0) (#37)
    by Dadler on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:11:59 PM EST
    The pub sounds great.  ;-)

    So far I've got tix to two big shows that I knew he'd like, Wicked and Memphis.  Probably try to get in one more live something or other.  I'll look into guvnors. Sounds like a farce.

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    It is. A reworking of a Goldoni play. (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:40:24 PM EST
    The pub serves food. (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:40:44 PM EST
    I left at intermission of "Peter and (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:49:14 PM EST
    the Starcatchers."  Really enjoyed revival of Gore Vidal's 1960 play:  The Best Man.  Lots of political jokes.  Terrific acting.  I also really enjoyed Pinter's "The Caretaker," at Brooklyn Academy of Music.  Easy to reach by subway from midtown Manhattan and you can take the BAM bus back--call for a reservation though.  Jonathon Pryce and a terrific acting ensemble.  I read the play first (library) to refresh my memory.  Really well done.  I wasn't so enthralled by "Death of a Salesman."

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    Might look into Cole Porter's (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 07:18:52 PM EST
    "Anything Goes".   A lot of action to keep a 12 year old entertained, along with old-fashioned fun and beautiful Broadway tunes.

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    Memphis (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Rojas on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 08:40:54 PM EST
    is my daughter's favorite. I believe we've seen it about 17 times now on Netflix.
    They, my best half and my better half, went to NY last fall to see it live. I think you'll enjoy it.

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    I hadn't heard about that (none / 0) (#38)
    by sj on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:40:12 PM EST
    so I just looked it up.  I want to go see that!  I wonder when I can next get to NY?

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    Glad to hear you're feeling better. (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 03:19:31 PM EST
    Just make sure you're not still breaking out in zosters (blisters) when heading to New York. But that's ten days from now, so you should probably be okay for travel by then.

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    I'm not breaking out anymore (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Dadler on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 03:44:11 PM EST
    They're finally on the wane after a week.  As for the pain, well, after I psychologically snapped last night, literally had a mini-breakdown, the pain has faded significantly since then. To be expected with a psychosomatic disaster like me.  

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    Do you see a correlation between (none / 0) (#41)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:41:34 PM EST
    your psychological imploding and feeling better?

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    So glad you are on the mend! (none / 0) (#56)
    by Angel on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 08:12:46 PM EST
    Jeralyn have a great (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 09:36:43 PM EST
    weekend up in Aspen and "Hi to the gang" that is what's left of them.  HST signed his book "Songs of the Doomed" to me. "Remember this: Off the pig and we will rule in Hell".  It was on my birthday in 1992.  Oh the good old daze in Aspen.  Stay safe girl...

    How long is the drive from Denver to Aspen (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 12:41:53 PM EST
    in June?  

    As I recall, 3-4 hrs depending on route (none / 0) (#3)
    by ruffian on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 12:55:51 PM EST
    and traffic. I always went the southern route, via Independence Pass, both because it is beautiful and to avoid I-70 traffic. That traffic can add an hour or more if you hit it wrong.

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    Great quote (none / 0) (#4)
    by Jackson Hunter on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 01:33:03 PM EST
    but a sad reminder of what we have lost now that his presence is gone. At least we still have his words, his lyrics for the DOOMED. (Wasn't he prescient, I think the Dream is fading on life support as we speak...er, type I mean. ;)

    Jackson

    Zimmerman bond revoked? (none / 0) (#7)
    by ks on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:04:40 PM EST


    Because he told a "Material Falsehood" (none / 0) (#8)
    by MoeizW on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:09:32 PM EST
    Lied about the assets of the website
    Lied about having a second passport

    I wonder what else he has lied about??

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    You don't know that he has (none / 0) (#11)
    by jbindc on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:10:02 PM EST
    Yeah, we only know what Zimmerman tells us (none / 0) (#22)
    by MoeizW on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:22:09 PM EST
    So, I have some prime beach-adjacent real estate in North Dokata to sell you...

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    Please show some proof (none / 0) (#24)
    by jbindc on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:23:56 PM EST
    This is a legal site, so do you have actual proof or are you just speculating at this point?

    Never mind - we know the answer already.

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    Ooh a "legal site"? (1.00 / 1) (#50)
    by MoeizW on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 05:17:19 PM EST
    Did YOU just type that? [snk.] (none / 0) (#33)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:05:35 PM EST
    I'm converting (none / 0) (#35)
    by jbindc on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:09:15 PM EST
    So is everyone else. The opposite (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:45:40 PM EST
    direction.  This thread is damn funny to read.  
    Did you have a come to Jesus moment?

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    No (none / 0) (#43)
    by jbindc on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:48:29 PM EST
    I just like to mix it up a little.

    And frankly, the whole Al Sharpton - Jesse Jackson swooping in without knowing anything about the case really turned me off.

    And yes, it is pretty funny that all those who like to think they are calling me a perjorative name ("Law and Order type") are all of sudden a hundred little Nancy Graces.

    It has cracked me up for a while now.

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    I do hope Mr. Martin's family passes up (none / 0) (#45)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:51:00 PM EST
    this opportunity to hold a press conference.  

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    Did you catch the scathing comment (none / 0) (#47)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:52:11 PM EST
    reaming my opinion re Edwards yesterday?  

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    I did (none / 0) (#48)
    by jbindc on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:54:37 PM EST
    I think rated you a 5 on one of them.

    Keep the faith, sister!  :)

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    He didn't lie about the second passport. (none / 0) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 03:25:43 PM EST
    He had given it to his attorney, who apparently  neglected to hand it over to the court until recently.

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    After the bail hrg. or before? (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:51:21 PM EST
    The judge seemed to accept ... (none / 0) (#54)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 07:43:58 PM EST
    ... the attorney's contention that he neglected to pass it on to the court, and that it wasn't the client's fault. Sounds like His Honor seemed more concerned about the Z-Man's alleged misrepresentation of his finances.

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    Will the State Dept. go after Z for (none / 0) (#55)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 07:48:26 PM EST
    not submitting the "lost" passport after it was "found"?  Probably not.  

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    No (none / 0) (#9)
    by jbindc on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:09:36 PM EST
    The prosecutors are asking to have his bond revoked because they argue that he misled the court during a bond hearing as towhether he had a US passport and about his finances.

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    No (none / 0) (#14)
    by ks on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:11:55 PM EST
    It looks like it has already happened and he has been ordered to turn himself into the court in 48 hrs.

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    See my comment below (none / 0) (#15)
    by jbindc on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:12:39 PM EST
    Ok, got it (none / 0) (#17)
    by ks on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:15:22 PM EST
    Apparently so... (none / 0) (#10)
    by Anne on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:09:51 PM EST
    From CNN:

    Florida judge revoked bond Friday for George Zimmerman, who is charged with second-degree murder in the death of Trayvon Martin.

    Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. ordered Zimmerman to surrender within 48 hours.

    Lester accused Zimmerman of having misrepresented how much money he had when his bond was originally set in April.

    The decision came after prosecutors asked Lester to revoke the bond.

    Prosecutors argued that Zimmerman "misrepresented, misled and deceived the court" during the April bond hearing not only about his family's financial circumstances but about whether he had a U.S. passport.

    Lester appeared to accept the explanation from Zimmerman's lawyer that his client had given him a second passport that he had obtained, but that the lawyer simply forgot to hand it over to authorities until Friday.

    Interesting bit of news about the passport(s).

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    good thinking (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by jharp on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:21:22 PM EST
    Good thinking Mr. Zimmerman.

    I hope you are enjoying the consequences of your actions.

    Your trial ought to really be a lot of fun.

    I wonder, do you think he still thinks it was a good idea to play pretend policeman?

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    CNN (none / 0) (#13)
    by jbindc on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:10:39 PM EST
    on my phone is a bit behind!

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    Looks that way. (none / 0) (#16)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:13:36 PM EST
    The judge ruled that the Z-man and his wife intentionally misled the court about the true state of their finances, and ordered his arrest. I'm sure we'll hear more details later. Suffice to say for now, not a good development for him at all.

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    A defendant who has to prepare (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Peter G on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:20:42 PM EST
    for a serious trial while detained is greatly disadvantaged, in numerous ways, over the defendant who is free on bond -- and so is the lawyer who has to prepare for trial while the client is detained.

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    Yes indeed (none / 0) (#25)
    by bmaz on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:25:53 PM EST
    I assume there will be a motion for new bond setting - was there any mention of that?

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    First, Mr. Zimmerman has to (none / 0) (#36)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 04:11:07 PM EST
    turn himself in w/i 48 hrs., or be picked up on bench warrant.  Then his attorney will request bail be set.  

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    Has the court... (none / 0) (#18)
    by bmaz on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:17:13 PM EST
    ...really made that finding, or simply found sufficient grounds to revoke pending a fuller hearing into the allegations?

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    Looks like he ruled (none / 0) (#23)
    by ks on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 02:23:44 PM EST
    "SANFORD, Fla. (AP) -- A judge on Friday revoked the bond of the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin and ordered him returned to jail within 48 hours.

    Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said that George Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, misled the court about how much money they had available when his bond was set for $150,000 in April. Prosecutors claim Zimmerman had $135,000 available that had been raised by a website he set up.

    Zimmerman's wife testified at the bond hearing that they had limited funds available since she was a nursing student and Zimmerman wasn't working.

    "He can't sit back and obtain the benefit of a lower bond based upon those material falsehoods," Lester said.

    Defense attorney Mark O'Mara said the fact that Zimmerman and his wife never used the money for anything indicated "there was no deceit."

    Prosecutor Bernie De la Rionda described the Zimmermans' testimony as "misleading."

    "This court was led to believe they didn't have a single penny," said De la Rionda. "It was misleading and I don't know what words to use other than it was a blatant lie."

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    forget Fifty Shades of Grey... (none / 0) (#49)
    by Dadler on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 05:01:21 PM EST
    ...I just tweaked a few hues of my own, ahem, otherwise known as a story called A TYPO OF A PECULIAR TYPE. Lost souls, true love, amateur internet porn, giant housecats, a fake horse's head, sex toys like a museum, a bittersweet ending, this story has a little bit of everything.  In a tight little package.  Wait, that sounds sick.  Sorry.  But take a look if you have the skewed inclination.  

    Part 1

    Part 2

    Part 3

    A baseball milestone tonight. (none / 0) (#59)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 10:24:06 PM EST
    Johan Santana has pitched the very first no-hitter in the 50-year history of the New York Mets, shutting out the St. Louis Cardinals at Citi Field, 8-0.

    Off to graduation. Have a great weekend, everyone.

    Well Dadler... (none / 0) (#60)
    by fishcamp on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 10:35:32 PM EST
    I see you've gotten your typing strength back after that run of Shingles.  Another very strange story especially since I was born in Salem, Oregon and went to school in Eugene...go Ducks.  You would have fit in perfectly with Hunter Thompson out there at Owl Farm where Jerri is this weekend.  So far I have liked all your writing but...dude you're kinda weird.  Keep on keeping' on...

    Who did they exploit, again? (none / 0) (#61)
    by MoeizW on Fri Jun 01, 2012 at 11:28:25 PM EST
    Poor George?

    the Martin family (none / 0) (#62)
    by jbindc on Sat Jun 02, 2012 at 03:36:56 PM EST
    But you knew that

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