Indiana Results: Thread Two

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:32:00 PM EST
Tags: Indiana '08 (all tags)

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Update: 450,000 votes in, Hillary still at 56%. CNN's Indiana exit polls are here.

Update: 8:00 pm ET: 400,00 votes in, Hillary now at 56%. I'm back on CNN since Fox went to pundits.

Update: 350,000 votes in and Hillary is still leading 57% to 43%. Why won't they call it for Hillary? They will tell us after the commercial. I'll tell you right now: Indianapolis only partially in and Gary isn't in at all. But, neither is South Bend, and that one I think will go to Hillary.

Update: I just dumped CNN for Fox. I won't go near MSNBC. 280,000 votes in, Hillary still at 57%, Obama 43%. The CNN county map is here. Neither Indianapolis nor Gary is in yet.

More...

Update: 7:35 pm: 230,000 votes in, Hillary at 58%. 7:25 pm: 178,000 votes, Hillary now at 57%. 150,000 votes in, still Hillary 58% to Obama's 42%.

Update: 7:19pm ET: CNN says too early to call. 132,000 votes in, Hillary now 58%, Obama 42%.

Update: 80,000 votes in, Hillary still leading 59% to 41%.

All polls are closed in Indiana. 5% of the vote is in, 59% for Hillary to 41% for Obama. 70,000 votes. Obama has lead in 3 counties, Hillary in about 20, judging from the CNN map.

Here's the link to live results from the Indiana Secretary of State.

Maps are here.

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From CNN (5.00 / 1) (#1)
by cmugirl on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:06:10 PM EST

" According to early exit polls, half of Clinton's supporters in Indiana would not vote for Obama in a general election match up with Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.

A third of Clinton voters said they would pick McCain over Obama, while 17 percent said they would not vote at all. Forty-eight percent of Clinton supporters said they would back Obama in November.

Obama got even less support from Clinton backers in North Carolina where 45 percent of Clinton supporters said they would vote for him over McCain. Thirty-eight percent of Clinton supporters said they would vote for McCain while 12 percent said they would not vote."

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Is it me, or does these numbers seem to get higher with every primary?

Are these... (none / 0) (#2)
by OrangeFur on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:08:09 PM EST

... disenchanted Democrats or crossover Republicans?


Try none of the above (5.00 / 5) (#10)
by AnninCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:14:12 PM EST

I've been saying this the entire primary.

Older Dems will move to McCain. They don't see Obama as experienced enough. He's not safe on SS and other issues that hit them. And, well, McCain is safer to them on the national security issues.

Jewish Dems? They are outta there.

Latinos? Split, probably along generational lines. The older Latinos don't trust Obama on a visceral level.

Conservative Dems? Outta there. Obama offers them nothing but heartburn.

Conservative Independents? Outta there. They'll hold their nose and go back to Republican.

Moderate Dems........iffy. His tax program means money out of their very own pocket and that MAY sway them in the Fall. They might talk nicer right now. But they'll be the voters looking for an excuse to bail. Gotta pay those gym fees, you know.

And mad, mad women? Long memories.

The last group is the ONLY "payback" group in the bunch.


The Old Age Pensioners (none / 0) (#23)
by Salo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:20:53 PM EST

are going to stampede toward McCain. Experience appears to be in the intrinsic factor here.

It wasn't just a buzzz word.


Well, I said to my Gen-X son (5.00 / 1) (#44)
by AnninCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:26:30 PM EST

I'm not in that age group, but I'm going to be paying VERY close attention to what he says about SS.

Shoot, I'm in the group that actually could get slammed.

Right before that age, no time to regroup here, all retirement plans based on projected SS. plus.....

He could put me in the poor house if he goes private.


: I'm a Gen-Xer (none / 0) (#56)
by cmugirl on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:31:37 PM EST

(39 years old), but I worry about SS too - maybe because I am "low-information" and don't know much about stuff :)

: Obama on SS (none / 0) (#77)
by BrandingIron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:26:40 PM EST

last year
Who knows what's going on now, though.

That's about how I see it also (none / 0) (#38)
by nycstray on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:23:57 PM EST

with catholics swaying to McCain and I think he pulls the larger % of Hispanics.

You can count me in the mad, mad women with long memories demographic ;)


With 17% In...Clinton 57% obama 43% (none / 0) (#52)
by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:31:12 PM EST

: Indiana results 17% In Clinton 67% obama 43% (none / 0) (#59)
by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:32:26 PM EST

no republicans voting in NC (none / 0) (#3)
by oldnorthstate on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:10:19 PM EST

Don't know (none / 0) (#5)
by cmugirl on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:10:34 PM EST

CNN didn't say - just called them "Clinton supporters"


That can be figured out (none / 0) (#12)
by Salo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:16:11 PM EST

work out the percentage of GOP that rossed over divide the tally between Obama and Clinton according to exit polling and you get a good idea.

If it is that high--they are mainly Dems.


The chickens are coming home to roost. (none / 0) (#49)
by ahazydelirium on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:28:01 PM EST

Obama:
I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee. [...] It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee.

I think the numbers are too high, but let Obama reap what he has sown.


CNN map (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by Stellaaa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:13:01 PM EST

I like the CNN map, but can someone take the commenters out for a ride.

: Well, there's always (none / 0) (#16)
by andgarden on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:17:46 PM EST

their web site. The map's decent. Also the FP of the NYT.

you should go (5.00 / 1) (#13)
by Salo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:17:19 PM EST

to an "adult" site.

Here's a link to the CNN county map (5.00 / 1) (#17)
by Militarytracy on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:18:06 PM EST

as they report in link. Obama is headed home to Chicago tonight. I don't think his campaign believes he did well in N.C.

He went home? (5.00 / 2) (#39)
by vicsan on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:24:56 PM EST

That means he doesn't believe he will do well in NC or he would have stayed there! Hillary's staying in Indiana. She knows she will win there. Have you noticed how much time Obama takes off compared to Hillary?

He took a 5 day Easter vacation, she didn't. A few weeks ago, he took the weekend off to rest because he was exhausted. She didn't. Now he's going home again? He's lazy. He really doesn't have the energy required to be President. I wonder if he'd vacation as often as Bush did during his first term?


: All of this rest time (5.00 / 1) (#42)
by nashville on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:26:05 PM EST

sounds oh too familiar!

: I'd cut him some slack (5.00 / 2) (#58)
by tree on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:31:50 PM EST

Maybe he's really missing his kids now and just wants to go see them. We've got a bunch of contests coming up in the next few weeks, election night is probably one of the best nights to get a bit of a break.

I thought (none / 0) (#26)
by cmugirl on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:21:16 PM EST

he had a rally in NC planned?


obama is in a big event in raleigh now (none / 0) (#30)
by oldnorthstate on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:21:59 PM EST

tonight and everybody seems to think he's doing well in NC


He's going home? (none / 0) (#35)
by misspeach2008 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:22:55 PM EST

Doesn't sound like there's a big party planned. Maybe I will chill the champagne.


OMIGOD! (none / 0) (#45)
by AnninCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:27:23 PM EST

You are kidding?

Really?

GULP.


It is pitiful when FoxNews (5.00 / 1) (#67)
by stefystef on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:56:03 PM EST

is giving more even-handed coverage. It has been FoxNews who has been "fair" to Hillary and "Tweety" Matthews as been a total, star-struck jerk.

It's like Bizarro World.

unless the northwest is an absolute landslide (5.00 / 0) (#70)
by Turkana on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:04:32 PM EST

he's not winning indianapolis by enough to make up the difference. still looks like a 7 or so point win- maybe 10.

Fox pointing out... (none / 0) (#7)
by Dawn Davenport on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:11:58 PM EST

...that Obama surrogates are fixed on the delegate lead, which indicates some nervousness about NC.

Or another way to look at it (none / 0) (#31)
by lilybart on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:22:23 PM EST

would be we are talking about delegates because that is how you win the primary and we would like the delegate count to make it clear that the race is over!


: Look (5.00 / 2) (#46)
by Salo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:27:25 PM EST

Obama figured out that a single voter in Alaska is worth about 100 in California.
Are you aware of the concept of Karma?

fox just (none / 0) (#51)
by sickofhypocrisy on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:31:09 PM EST

projected obama to win nc :(


FYI (none / 0) (#14)
by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:17:30 PM EST

We WON'T want to see pictures of that ;-).

are you offering you keyboard? (none / 0) (#15)
by Stellaaa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:17:35 PM EST

That's was horrible... (none / 0) (#18)
by Marco21 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:19:12 PM EST

yet horribly funny.

: All I can think of is where is the keyboard (none / 0) (#22)
by Stellaaa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:20:21 PM EST

Donna Brazile has no clue (none / 0) (#19)
by ChrisO on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:19:16 PM EST

She was asked if it's possible for Florida to run the Democratic primary during a state primary in August, and she said "that would require a rules change." I'm pretty sure the rules already allow for a revote after their original primary date. Am I wrong?

She reinforced her point by pointing out that she's on the Rules Committee.

: She's correct (none / 0) (#25)
by andgarden on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:21:10 PM EST

Primaries have to take place before June 6ish.

: Shorter Donna Brazile: (none / 0) (#29)
by Marco21 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:21:53 PM EST

No way,ever.

: She needs to be retired. (none / 0) (#33)
by Salo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:22:34 PM EST

I'm not NOT letting that Clinton woman win!

Ok...I now get it.. (none / 0) (#20)
by Stellaaa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:19:17 PM EST

It's gonna be a joint ticket, they are now battling for who will be on top. I be my life on this. It's the only way the Dems will win.

: I don't want Hillary as VP. (5.00 / 3) (#24)
by OrangeFur on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:20:53 PM EST

She's more powerful as a senator.

: WOMEN ON TOP! (none / 0) (#78)
by BrandingIron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:30:30 PM EST

It's always better that way anyway. ;D

Doncha Hate How The Obamaholics Come In (none / 0) (#27)
by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:21:36 PM EST

drop a bomb and run out of here? We should lock the door. :) Maybe they are just running scared and trying to fake us out with the supposed good news for obama. Still thinking AA vote is not correct in exit polling.

Nah* (5.00 / 1) (#37)
by AnninCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:23:11 PM EST

It feels good to be a bit respectful. I posted for months in a pro-Obama site that shall remain unnamed.

I felt as though I should hobble to the keyboard with my cane and pray I wouldn't go to the wrong place for being a racist.

It's nice to just challenge them on content.

As it should be.


: Ann....And you did a great job...watched you (5.00 / 1) (#60)
by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:34:19 PM EST

everyday from afar. You were savaged time and again by obama "supporters". Thank God I found TalkLeft...it saved my life!

Can you say "Obama supporter?" (3.00 / 2) (#40)
by lilybart on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:25:33 PM EST

Because I say Hillary supporters. But here, anyone who supports Obama must be called names. Obamaholic, Obats, Cultists.

How about a little respect?


Need a pillow? n/t (5.00 / 2) (#48)
by misspeach2008 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:27:58 PM EST

lilybart...uh NO...I Have Been Ripped Apart (5.00 / 1) (#62)
by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:35:50 PM EST

one too many times by the other side. Respect earns respect.


lilybart...... (none / 0) (#54)
by michitucky on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:31:29 PM EST

You need to give respect in order to earn it. Snarky drive-by comments aren't going to do it!


You may sometimes run across a poster here (none / 0) (#69)
by Militarytracy on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:00:17 PM EST

a bit fed up with Obama supporters and their attitudes on less moderated blogs, but on this blog we do attempt to hold each other to a higher standard of debate than name calling. And if posters have a problem doing that the moderators don't have a problem dealing with them.


Except (none / 0) (#73)
by lilybart on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:10:16 PM EST

that every time I post anything, I get called all the Obama names or the comment back is "woof woof" I don't even know the names or ages of his kids, so I don't represent a cultist -- a cultist would know that!

I am not by nature a drive by. I have been a reader and commenter on this blog for years. Primary season has turned most of us into partisans instead of on the same side of equal justice, which is what this blog is usually about.

ONe time I posted something I wasn't happy about and I came back to soften it, but someone had posted something awfully childish so I thought, why bother apologizing! I haven't notice any moderator telling anyone not to refer to all obama supporters as Obots or Obamaholics or whatever.

Be happy when this is over and we can get back on the same side, Except for the people who will vote for McCain. Still can't fathom how that helps.


: I've actually asked that (none / 0) (#74)
by Jeralyn on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:16:08 PM EST

Obama supporters be shown respect many times. Please go back to discussing the results. This isn't about you.

stop gloating (none / 0) (#72)
by Salo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:09:55 PM EST

and you know full well that this is a reservation for Clinton types shooed off other blogs.


7% of Clinton's voters won't vote for her in Nov. (none / 0) (#32)
by magster on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:22:32 PM EST

Hillary should send Rush a bouquet of flowers.

: Link (none / 0) (#36)
by magster on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:23:06 PM EST

here

NYT maps are nice (none / 0) (#34)
by ineedalife on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:22:54 PM EST

Here

sounds like (none / 0) (#41)
by stillife on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:25:52 PM EST

Fox is gonna call NC for Obama. Brit Hume said they're just waiting for the polls to close to declare a winner.

She's got a 16 margin in IN (none / 0) (#61)
by nycstray on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:35:39 PM EST

but they called NC on the exit polls?


: I can't figure that out either (none / 0) (#65)
by stillife on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:42:55 PM EST

On Fox (yeah, I know!) they're saying it's a great night for Obama.

: Because Gary (read: Chicago) comes in last (none / 0) (#66)
by Cream City on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:55:11 PM EST

with polls closing an hour later, in a different time zone, than in most of the state.
Gary could turn up enough AA votes alone to put Obama ahead of Clinton's margin now. Just saying.

CNN has posted its crosstabs on exits (none / 0) (#47)
by Dawn Davenport on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:27:48 PM EST

in IN here.

: CNN (none / 0) (#57)
by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:31:39 PM EST

already called it for him.
It must be bad. Oh well.

Indianapolis... (none / 0) (#50)
by OrangeFur on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:30:38 PM EST

... has started to report. I imagine the numbers will tighten as those come in.

CNN (none / 0) (#53)
by AnninCA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:31:19 PM EST

is saying that she should get out because NC is his and she didn't do well enough.

: That's BS because (5.00 / 0) (#68)
by stefystef on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:58:20 PM EST

NC will go Republican in November if Obama is the nominee.
So will IN and PA and FL and MI and most of the states that Obama has won.
Hillary is the stronger candidate, but the MSM is still dazzled by Obama. The Democratic Party will pay dearly in November.

: jesus. i guess the msm has gotten (none / 0) (#75)
by kangeroo on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:46:04 PM EST

its second wind for WWTSBQ.

CNN calls NC (none / 0) (#55)
by Stellaaa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:31:36 PM EST

Is it true (none / 0) (#63)
by Makarov on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:36:17 PM EST

the networks use different syntax intentionally when saying "too early" and "too close"?

I got the impression from watching other reporting results this year that "too close" meant exit polls within the MOE, or perhaps even contradictory to reported results (NH), while "too early" means the exits lean towards someone (like IN for Clinton tonight) but not by a significant enough margin to predict a winner.

With respect to IN, I think she'll outperform exits again. Predicting Clinton by 8-10%.

Bizarrely... (none / 0) (#64)
by OrangeFur on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:37:47 PM EST

... they haven't called NC for McCain yet. I guess there aren't any exit polls for the GOP.

From CNN's exit poll, looks to be about a 12 point win for Obama. Though given how quickly they called it, maybe it's more?

Are we back? (none / 0) (#76)
by eleanora on Tue May 06, 2008 at 07:49:32 PM EST

I lost TL there for a bit--did they declare IN yet?

No day for celebration (none / 0) (#79)
by SAINTIXE56 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:36:01 AM EST

Heavy win for BHO in NC
22000 votes win for Hillary knowing that she got the brunt of Operation-Chaos Limbaughnites . Does not bode well for Hillary so we are to see that a woman willingly bled to death the chances of the first AA Dem to have a fair shot to become the first POTUS, to heal for once and for all all the bitterness of a good part of America will carry on running till - yes she is not nominated yes we lose again than the Clintonistas the GE and naturally thew Dems lose the AA voters for long . after readi ng so many posters here do you think one single minute they are not going to hold any of you responsible for this fiasco. You all are digging our common grave and you are making the Limbaugh freak very happy. I hope you are proud. Thnak Heaven Obama is smarter than any of us and is indeed the only one to have healing capacity, and McCain is certainly better option than a woman more than 60% AMERICANS all groups inclueded found UNTRUSTWORTHY. sAY WHAT YOU WANT, WHO IS GOING TO VOTE IN A ge For Miss untrustworthy part 1 and 2 included. That and the fact who is suicidal, enough to wish to run for Veep with Bill Clinton running loose in the WH. aRE YOU FORGETTING HOW MANY AMERICANS DEMS REPS INDEPENDANTS ARE LOATHING THE MAN, NOT FOR HIS ERA , but for his very sake. the man attitudes to womem was sickening, do we want to get a diplomatic incident with foreign first ladies ? THINK , ranting or blaming passing the buck on Obama that darn black upstart daring to stand up his ground to the Clintons, DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU CAN UNITE BEHIND HER, THEY RAN POLLS ABOUT cLINTON VOTERS , they better start running polls for obama voters as AA re daily insulted by posts like yours...