Tuesday Night Open Thread

It's three degrees outside but I am headed out for dinner.

Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Tuesday Evening Quarterbacking (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 06:49:28 PM EST
    For those thinking the Ducks would win:

    You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well known is this: "Never go against the SEC in a BCS Championship game." (regardless of what someone's computer program might say)

    ---War Eagle

    My brother attributes the win to former (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 06:50:31 PM EST
    Iowa State coach (and the quarterback).  

    Perhaps (none / 0) (#7)
    by CoralGables on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 06:52:46 PM EST
    the title came down to a stolen laptop

    Really? BTD should demand his (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 06:53:29 PM EST
    money back.

    Google is my friend. I thought maybe (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 07:12:49 PM EST
    the purloined laptop had secrets of Oregon's football strategy.

    This being Talk Left (none / 0) (#53)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 09:14:06 AM EST
    I didn't want to accuse in anyway. I left you to google services to understand the hidden meaning that possibly assisted Auburn.

    He hedged his bet at halftime (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 08:30:35 AM EST
    So probaby didn't take a full hit :)

    Here's a comment to article (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 07:07:53 PM EST
    announcing Hoke will be new head coach at Michigan:

    Lets give hoke a chance look at auburns coach chizik when he was a iowa state there record was horrible, and he just won the national championship. Lets see what hoke can do with the resources he will have at michigan.

    lets go blue


    LOL. (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 07:25:06 PM EST
    Plan C!  Wolverines beaches!! Unless he can't beat OSU...

    /Do they teach English at UM?  


    Apparently not. Pathetic. (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 07:27:35 PM EST
    So your brother... (none / 0) (#15)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 07:37:06 PM EST
    ...isn't peeved that Chizik leaves Iowa State and goes to Auburn and wins the National Championship?  

    An awful lot of Cyclone fans I know are pretty chapped about that.  What could have been and all that...


    Well, he beat Iowa--once, I think. But (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 07:38:09 PM EST
    record at ISU wasn't all that great.  My brother wears Gator orange now though.

    Did he go to Florida... (none / 0) (#17)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 07:50:16 PM EST
    ...or is he just a bandwagon jumper? :)

    Yeah, they beat us 15 to 13 in his first year at ISU ('07).  The start of a 4 game losing streak that lead to a 6-6 season, even with a ton of future NFL players on the team*.  Overall, he was 5-19 in two seasons.

    /*Never forget


    He lives in FL. (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 07:55:09 PM EST
    (Would you devote your entire football loyalty to ISU?  Really?)

    Well... (none / 0) (#19)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 08:09:34 PM EST
    ...my Granddad and Dad both played for them, my siblings both went there and I used to go to a lot of games as a kid (I had a friend whose family were/are BIG boosters) and I bleed black and gold now.  So, no.

    Did your brother manage to get his place in the hills sold?  

    BTW--I got a solicitation for Opera Colorado in the mail the other day.  I can't help thinking that you were somehow behind that...


    House in CO sold about (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 09:37:25 PM EST
    15 months ago.  Can't say re CO Opera.  Can't believe how many ads appear for me on line re U of M gear.  Who is reading?

    Teh Google... (none / 0) (#30)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 09:40:01 PM EST
    ...knows and sees all.  

    Good for him.  Glad someone is having luck selling--sure wish my Mom would have some in that regard.  


    Took over two years. I think he (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 09:42:08 PM EST
    had to drop the price quite alot.  

    My body and brain have recuperated... (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 07:53:49 AM EST
    my liver? that nay take some time. My reputation in my 2 a.m. online class?



    I'm shamelessly linking one last time... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Dadler on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 06:50:54 PM EST
    Oh joy. $2.99/bunch daffodils (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 06:51:07 PM EST
    again available at local Vons.  

    Isn't it early in the year? (none / 0) (#34)
    by sj on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 12:31:31 AM EST
    Can you believe where the price of (none / 0) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 08:37:53 AM EST
    flowers has been lately?  I like running into the grocery store and picking up some flowers along with everything else.  It just feels terrific to me to have some flowers around, but wow the prices went off the charts last year.  I noticed that they are getting to be more affordable again at the grocery store too lately.

    Trent Franks: We need more people like Palin (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by hilts on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 08:26:11 PM EST
    Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) : "If every person in the world was like Sarah Palin, there probably wouldn't even be need for government because no one would be in danger of any kind, If every person were like Sarah Palin, this world would be a peaceful, beautiful world to live in. If Sarah Palin has one hallmark, it is her commitment to protect and defend all innocent human life"

    What's he smoking? (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 09:39:13 PM EST
    Glory be to Sarah on high.

    Smoking? (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by kdog on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 06:21:52 AM EST
    I was thinking what is he stroking...dudes got it bad.

    That is North Korea grade stuff (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by Dadler on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 09:42:41 PM EST
    The Dear Leader would be tickled we're emulating his PR game.

    This is unbelievable (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Harry Saxon on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 09:27:41 PM EST
    From the L. A. Times:

    To the great surprise of physicists and meteorologists alike, NASA's orbiting Fermi gamma-ray observatory has discovered that thunderstorms are emitting powerful bursts of antimatter into space.

    Antimatter is a mirror image of normal matter with unusual properties -- protons with negative charges, electrons with positive charges, and so on. It was created in equal abundance to normal matter at the beginning of the universe, but was destroyed when it came in contact with the normal matter and is now primarily the subject of fiction: the material that powers the starship Enterprise, the bomb beneath the Vatican in the novel "Angels & Demons," and so on.

    Very small amounts have been produced by powerful particle accelerators including CERN's Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland, but can be captured for only fractions of a second. That's why researchers are so astonished to see antimatter being produced by such a common event as lightning.

    Click or ignore Me

    The end of an era. David Nelson of (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 12:26:29 AM EST
    "Ozzie and Harriet" died at age 74.  LAT

    So did (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by jbindc on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 08:23:31 AM EST
    Major Dick Winters, the inspiration for "A Band of Brothers".

    He was 92.


    jb, your announcement (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 04:35:03 PM EST
    made it to me before the association's. Thank the gods he's on film. A noble man, a humble warrior. An example to people who have to do things they would normally find reprehensible.

    Godspeed, Major.



    Just don't (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by jbindc on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 04:38:14 PM EST
    Eat spaghetti and then have to run Curahee!

    I got to meet him once. (none / 0) (#87)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 05:30:40 PM EST
    Before the show came out. He was one of a kind. I'd remember him even without the shows. Two minutes with him could change your life.

    That's amazing! (none / 0) (#88)
    by jbindc on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 05:35:35 PM EST
    What a great experience for you!  He seemed like a really nice man.

    He was kind. (none / 0) (#89)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 05:42:33 PM EST
    Kindness radiated from him, even after WWII.

    I also remember from that two minutes a disdain for high ranking officers. I think his opinion of anyone higher than 0-6 was 'political,' not 'leader of soldiers.' I could tell he loved enlisted ranks. Flag ranks? I didn't get that impression. Oh, it was well more than 20 years ago, closer to 30 I guess, at a 101st Airborne Division function.

    The epitome of grace. Not what one would expect of an airborne company and battalion combat commander. Did you know he was put in for the Medal?

    He didn't get it because there was a one-medal-per-division quota after Normandy.


    He took 13 men, (none / 0) (#90)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 05:45:36 PM EST
    attacked and REDUCED an emplaced Field Artillery battery. Leading 13 PEOPLE.

    That's just not possible, if you have ever studied small-unit tactics.


    I think I remember that (none / 0) (#91)
    by jbindc on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 06:06:44 PM EST
    from the movie, if I'm not mistaken,

    And you were in the 101st?  You mean, you actually jumped out of perfectly good planes????

    Jeffinalabama = bada$$.  :)


    To misquote Maj. Winters... (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 06:11:00 PM EST
    "I wasn't a bada$$. But I served with Bada$$es."

    His quote is much more poignant.

    "I was not a hero, but I served among heroes."

    That's the kind of leader he was.


    He will be missed (none / 0) (#93)
    by jbindc on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 06:12:44 PM EST
    But we can take comfort that he lived a long and full life.  

    And I still think you're a bada$$.


    you'd like my vanity car tag (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 06:14:01 PM EST
    "101 ABN."

    I know the man who has (none / 0) (#95)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 06:17:30 PM EST
    "LZXRAY" as his... he's a real bada$$. Also very kind.

    Dude (none / 0) (#96)
    by jbindc on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 06:33:53 PM EST
    I'm not even that keen on flying (probably because I watch way too many things on Discovery and National Geographic on plane disasters) - and you jumped out of them.  Voluntarily.

    Reason #743 why I never joined the military (#1 being that I could never climb ropes - even in elementary school).


    Heh. (none / 0) (#98)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 07:14:38 PM EST
    Helicopters is the way to go now. When I tell Militarytracy I'dlove it if her hubby 'happened' to land in my town to check something, I'd love a few minutes of OH-6 time.

    Now it's MH or AH, but she's still the old LOACH to me.

    Ropes are to slide down or cross rivers.

    No joke, thanks for the compliments. I haven't earned them.


    You've more than earned them (none / 0) (#103)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 13, 2011 at 09:06:05 AM EST
    You served and put your life on the line for the rest of us.

    Thank you.


    I had Welsh national (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by observed on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 12:36:15 AM EST
    vegetable (leek) braised with chicken mushrooms and rice. Yum---leeks are so tasty.

    I love leeks (5.00 / 3) (#50)
    by lilburro on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 08:41:26 AM EST
    mmm...learning (a while ago, and here I think) that they were associated with Wales surprised me as I associate them with Asian flavors.

    Great broth tip I learned from a veggie ninja (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Ellie on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 10:38:17 AM EST
    When cooking veggies that are alum-based (onion and garlic family) such as leeks, or cruciferous veg that have a lot of sulpher (broccoli, cauli etc) never go higher than 210 degrees.

    Visually, the surface of the liquid will barely tremble and you'll see graceful S-shaped wisps of steam rise off the water. This longer, gentler process coaxes out maximum flavor and keeps it "true" without suddenly turning bitter, as can happen with these veggies (also kombu/seaweeds and most teas) when subjected to an all-out boiling.

    This is also a great process to use for veggie stock from the (clean) peels and rinds of all those "inedible" parts of veggies not being served up on the plate. I learned to keep them in a big Zip-lock in the freezer and, once a week, make a broth-base for cooking other soups, stews, etc.  


    Where have you been hiding? (none / 0) (#80)
    by vml68 on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 03:07:26 PM EST
    Reading but too Bizzy to post (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Ellie on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 06:58:37 PM EST
    I've been enjoying the various takes on all the issues and events, though.

    But what an amazing personal period of serendipity! Scroll past the TMI/boring parts ...

    Because of shelved plans for relocation and opening a new shop, I thought I'd have to take drastic measures to stay afloat, like pulling off an impossible casino heist or getting clown b00bs and being some athlete's downfall.

    Instead, I went to Plan B and the grunt work of collecting debts from personal contracts and getting up close and personal with family estates. (Yuck, if you want to see a merely plain mob turn truly ugly on a dime, just throw one into the middle of my extended fam's latest funeral.)

    The family-wide tightening of belts and being creative about gift-sharing turned out to be a VERY good thing, given all the chaos (weather, travel, horrendous events in some destination locations). As bad as it's been, it's been horrendous everywhere else.

    Plus, this slower pace and drastically altered marketplace turned up exciting, unanticipated possibilities and applications for some of my designs. What I thought would be a miserable period of being house- and homebound in Scenic Undisclosed has (weirdly) turned out to be packed with thrills, but with all the comforts and cush of home.

    Can't say more due to trademark issues, but when I soft-launch later in the year I hope the TL gang will console me when a bunch of deployed gift baskets goes astray. ::COUGH::free schwag::COUGH::


    LOL, thanks for reminding me (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by vml68 on Thu Jan 13, 2011 at 08:24:48 PM EST
    why I have missed your comments.

    Snow Day! (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by kdog on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 06:58:48 AM EST
    Props to the bossman for not opening up shop...pleasantly shocked to get that call this morning.  

    And the right call, nobody needs to wrap their car around a tree so Inatech can sell a couple extra units.

    Hope the rest of ya in the storms path are as fortunate...though I hear the casino on Wall is open for business...big greed knows no bounds.

    good for you - enjoy! (none / 0) (#40)
    by ruffian on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 07:17:39 AM EST
    Take a few minutes to listen to some new music by a singer-songwriter friend of mine. I've been playing his new record in my car and it is really good. I forgot how much I like good acoustic guitar work.

    We were the only state without snow yesterday. Looks like I will have to wait for hurricane season to get a day off!


    Heres a good video (none / 0) (#41)
    by ruffian on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 07:28:36 AM EST
    His site... (none / 0) (#42)
    by kdog on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 07:42:03 AM EST
    was giving my p.o.s. pc fits...found "Country First" on youtube.

    He's got a real nice voice...and I really like when the electric kicks in with the acoustic at the end...an instance of what Keef calls "the intricate art of basketweaving".

    Good stuff...tell your buddy he's got a new fan and I'll be keeping my eyes open if he heads north to NYC to play for us.


    Hey, you read Keef! (none / 0) (#43)
    by ruffian on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 07:43:21 AM EST
    Isn't it great?

    Thanks for giving a listen!


    No thank you... (none / 0) (#44)
    by kdog on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 07:48:23 AM EST
    for turning me on.

    Haven't gotten to Keef's bio yet...I picked up that nugget from an interview.

    Update...boss called back, opening up shop at noon.  Guess I gotta go shovel...after "Hoyet's Guitar"...first things first:)


    Bluebird (none / 0) (#74)
    by sj on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 12:38:57 PM EST
    Is that the Bluebird Theatre in Denver?

    Could be (none / 0) (#83)
    by ruffian on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 04:02:18 PM EST
    I know he was traveling doing some small shows in the last couple of years.

    Sigh (none / 0) (#86)
    by sj on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 04:56:40 PM EST
    That's right around the corner from my house in Denver.  I may be living in the East now, but that makes me feel a bit homesick.

    I finally found a young Green Cheek Conure (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 08:59:18 AM EST
    that wasn't spoken for for Joshua, in time for his bday.  I will be feeding this one more carefully than I feed myself.  There are plenty of other birds out there available.  The breeders have become so good at breeding, huge amazing rare parrots are available all over the place, but Green Cheek Conures not so much.  They are small, they like to snuggle and become very attached to people, they aren't horribly noisy...mostly like to play and they aren't horribly messy either.  And they are like Gold out there in bird world.  They are so easy to get along with they seldom need to be rehomed too, which means if you are looking for one in your general vicinity....it may be challenging.

    Well, this settles it: (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 10:39:49 AM EST
    Words do have consequences!  Televangelist Cindy Jacobs, founder of the Red Oaks-based ministry,  Generals International, claims  that the birds falling from the sky in Arkansas was due to  Jeebus's disapproval of repeal of DADT.  

    Even Jesus has (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 10:50:56 AM EST
    devolved from a life of loving others and good works to using mystical voodoo and dark magic.

    And (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 10:58:19 AM EST
    mass avian murder all in the name of good I suppose. We must send money.

    Wait, wait..... (5.00 / 3) (#69)
    by Zorba on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 11:26:13 AM EST
    So Jeebus would kill a bunch of innocent birds because he doesn't like DADT repeal???  WTF???  Do these people even listen to themselves?  (Oh, never mind, they clearly aren't members of the reality-based community, anyway.)

    Maybe she just got confused, (5.00 / 4) (#72)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 12:24:31 PM EST
    and said DADT when she meant DDT.  We have to give these people of God some slack, since we have been doing so for a millennium.

    I watched her in that (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Edger on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 11:59:09 AM EST

    It made me wonder if she doesn't work for The Onion?

    Listening to her was enough to make a groan man cry.


    While possibly (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 11:17:19 AM EST
    infringing on free speech but only slightly... my congratulations to the Arizona legislature enacting emergency legislation, making protesters stay 300 feet away from funerals both an hour before and an hour after in response to Westboro Baptist plans to picket the funeral of Christina Green.

    I seriously think... (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Dadler on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 03:25:39 PM EST
    ...if Jesus came back, the Westboro folks would picket the Greyhound station when he got off the bus.

    "What Took You So F'ing Long???" (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by Dadler on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 03:26:31 PM EST
    I can see their signs now.

    "You're Not Sending People To Hell Fast Enough!!!"


    Not sure about that (none / 0) (#99)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 07:55:08 PM EST
    but damn certain they would picket his funeral with the following Sign

    Thunderbirds are Go ... Again! (none / 0) (#1)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 06:49:16 PM EST
    Gerry Anderson's classic puppet show is getting a reboot!

    I'm sure this must be a few fans of Supermarionation on these boards!

    Or Juno n/t (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by bocajeff on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 07:15:18 PM EST
    unfortunately (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 09:27:57 AM EST
    it will probably be bad CG

    Didn't that already happen? (none / 0) (#65)
    by canuck eh on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 10:56:58 AM EST
    It was called Team America- World Police. It was made by the South Park guys so it is quite juvenile but it's absolutely hilarious.

    You will be humming/singing the theme for weeks afterward- it's been years since I saw it and I still occassionally find it caught in my head.

    Supermarionation rocks!


    For oculus (none / 0) (#6)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 06:52:39 PM EST
    Thanks. I knew Miles sd. thanks but (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 06:57:11 PM EST
    no thanks.  Must see what the true Maize and Blue afficianados think.

    Going out to dinner... (none / 0) (#20)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 08:22:02 PM EST
    ...on a night like this?  You're braver than I am, J.  

    Of course, I biffed real hard on the way to the bus this morning (stupid dress shoes!)--Oh crap! Splat! Ouch!  So, I'm nursing my wounds where it is safe as well as nice and warm tonight.  

    /darn near did it again after work too
    //happy I didn't break a hip

    The weekend should be about 50 degrees (none / 0) (#23)
    by christinep on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 09:15:55 PM EST
    Balmy weather in sight. BTW, the February opera is Rusalka. We're looking forward to it. You know that February weather here can be quite nice (or fun); hope you will be able to attend the opera. More on that later.

    Opera? Moi? (none / 0) (#25)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 09:37:13 PM EST
    It is to laugh!  Unless of course, there is rock with it like this (loved it!) or Tommy or Rent or the Rocky Horror Picture Show.  Man, I really need to get back to the West End...

    Too bad Next to Normal closes this weekend--and  Spring Awakening is only here for two performance in February.  


    Rusalka is a beautiful and (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 09:38:42 PM EST
    interesting opera.  Think waternymph.

    I don't about you lot... (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 08:23:06 PM EST
    but I could use some Marvin Gaye.

    And some good news...thousands of muslims attended coptic christmas eve mass in Egypt as promised, trying to spread that love and peace stuff we so desperately need.  Ya gotta believe.

    WSJ on possible federal legislation (none / 0) (#35)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 12:35:17 AM EST
    re sale of ammo, etc.  link

    Your link is to the CSM (none / 0) (#37)
    by andgarden on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 12:40:49 AM EST
    And "possible" is probably a little optimistic, frankly.

    Assault Weapons Ban bunk From link (none / 0) (#45)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 07:53:09 AM EST
    Such a ban was in effect between 1994 and 2004 as part of a ban on assault weapons, which also expired. Since then, clips such as those allegedly used by suspect Jared Loughner, which contained more than 30 rounds, have been available for purchase without restriction.

    Where is the vaunted fact checking?  This is misleading.  The AWB banned the manufacture and importation of magazines with a capacity of greater than ten rounds other than for government purchase.  Magazines with greater than 10 round capacity were available for sale without restriction before, during, and after the 1994 to 2004 AWB.

    BTW, the M1 Garand rifle of WWII fame uses a clip.  Glocks all use magazines.


    Another poll (none / 0) (#52)
    by lilburro on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 08:59:42 AM EST
    about Tucson...

    from kos via Attaturk:

    Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to take violent action against the government, or is it never justified?

    Republican 28% yes, 64% no

    Democrat 11% yes, 81% no

    Independent 11% yes, 81% no

    It's bad enough that 11% of anybody says it's justified, but the fact that it's another 250% higher amongst the GOP tells you what base is being appealed to with the Second Amendment fetish, birthers, and saying someone "hangs around with terrorists".

    The poll was taken after Tucson btw.

    What that belief actually means, who knows, but it's important to remember when people are marching around rallies holding firearms and talking about how Obama is destroying America.

    It is kind of a silly question. (none / 0) (#54)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 09:19:40 AM EST

    If the government in some far off future canceled all elections and were rounding up "inferior" persons and shipping them off to death camps, then one think that a substantial majority would approve violent opposition.

    The use of the word "never" in the question means that the differences in answers is in large part what each person considered to be the worst case government behavior in some undefined time frame.

    As an example, if in 1913 a person in Germany said that in under thirty years Germany will be losing a war against Britain, France, USA, and USSR while at the same time pulling Jews out of the army and killing them for being Jews, that person would have been considered a nut job.



    I agree (none / 0) (#56)
    by lilburro on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 09:29:29 AM EST
    that it is a weird question but obviously it appeals more to Republicans than Democrats.  It's not like Democrats are any less aware of World War II than Republicans.  And as I said, it is all the more interesting in the context of secession threats and all the other rhetoric, as well as people toting guns around at rallies.

    Agreed (none / 0) (#70)
    by canuck eh on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 11:47:26 AM EST
    By saying that you will NEVER rise up you are inviting oppression.

    There's a lot of talk on this site about the gradual (and sometimes not so gradual) disintegration of rights enjoyed by the US citizens (warrantless surveillance anyone?), I would hope that at some point every American would support armed rebellion- the issue in my mind is where to draw the line, not if it should be drawn.

    The risk of the masses marching on the capital with torches and pitchforks should always be in the back of the minds of those that mean to govern.


    I take it Kos (none / 0) (#58)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 10:07:54 AM EST
    recently scrubbed his site clean.  

    Actually (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 10:11:27 AM EST
    he didn't. That's just a rumor trying to equate it with Palin's scrubbing of her website.

    He didn't scrub his site? (none / 0) (#64)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 10:51:31 AM EST
    Got a link?  This I gotta see.  

    Yeah ... here ya go. (none / 0) (#67)
    by Yman on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 10:59:21 AM EST

    BoyBlue took down his original Giffords piece, which has led to the creation of yet another right-wing fantasy -- that I spent the weekend "scrubbing" the site. Neither I, nor anyone working for this site, has deleted a single bit of material. I'm not sure why they've convinced themselves otherwise, but there you have it.

    So why (none / 0) (#73)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 12:35:45 PM EST
    did Blueboy take down his original post?  I missed it.  Where is it if he didn't deleted a single bit of material?

    Blueboy (none / 0) (#75)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 12:40:16 PM EST
    took down his own post. You can do that at Kos you know.

    Blue boy (none / 0) (#76)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 12:42:02 PM EST
    wrote a diary at Kos. He later wrote a diary stating that he was wrong to write that diary the way he did and stated that he had deleted it. When you delete a diary, all of the comments and the diary are gone forever.

    Are you having trouble distinguishing ... (none / 0) (#77)
    by Yman on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 01:37:43 PM EST
    ... between BlueBoy and Markos?  Contrary to another winger fairytale, they're two different people.  As has been explained, BB deleted his own diary - Markos "scrubbed" nothing.

    Not at all. (none / 0) (#78)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 02:25:08 PM EST
    Didn't know people could take down articles at Kos without his permission.  Never go to Kos.  I am glad to see Kos would have left it up if BB would not have taken it down of his/her own volition. heh.

    Then why are you criticizing Kos ... (none / 0) (#79)
    by Yman on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 03:00:44 PM EST
    ... for scrubbing his site when a 5-second Google search would have told you: 1)  BB removed BB's own diary, and 2) Kos did not "scrub" his site of anything.

    It would be like some poster here removing their post and you claiming Jeralyn "scrubbed her site".  It makes no sense.


    I am glad (none / 0) (#100)
    by Wile ECoyote on Thu Jan 13, 2011 at 06:35:32 AM EST
    BB removed it of his own volition and Kos would have left it up there if BB would not have removed it.  heh.  

    Nice, non-answer ... (none / 0) (#101)
    by Yman on Thu Jan 13, 2011 at 07:53:00 AM EST
    ... with yet another completely unsubstantiated attack.

    How come that's always the best you wingers can do?


    Liberals, leftists (none / 0) (#102)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Jan 13, 2011 at 08:20:37 AM EST
    and 'extremist Democrats' are always guilty and never proven innocent by some folks around here, Yman.

    Where is the other one? (none / 0) (#104)
    by Wile ECoyote on Thu Jan 13, 2011 at 11:35:09 AM EST
    What is the definition of a winger?

    The other WHAT? (none / 0) (#105)
    by Yman on Thu Jan 13, 2011 at 08:22:20 PM EST
    Try speaking in complete sentences if you expect an answer.

    BTW - A "winger" is a right-wing loon.


    BTW - Just in case "the other one" ... (none / 0) (#107)
    by Yman on Thu Jan 13, 2011 at 08:26:53 PM EST
    ... was a question concerning the other unsubstantiated attack, your first was was your accusing Kos of "scrubbing" his site.  The second was when you sarcastically suggested that Kos would not have left BB's post up if BB had not removed it.

    All clear?


    No snow day... (none / 0) (#57)
    by CST on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 09:57:55 AM EST
    most people are "working from home" but I had some things that I needed the office for.

    It was beautiful walking alone in the snow to work, it is seriously coming down.

    Thank goodness for the "T", I would not want to be on the road for this.

    Son in Boston (none / 0) (#60)
    by the capstan on Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 10:37:47 AM EST
    usually bikes to work.  To get to the T, he has to catch a bus not too far from his apt. in Cambridge.
    Last year, he only worked from home.  Hope he's taking all his herbal goodies.