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Sunday Afternoon Open Thread

Where's Joe Cocker today? On a ranch in Crawford, Colorado where he and his wife have spent the last 14 years becoming "locals" and raising money for children's causes. The Denver Post profiles him today.

On yesterday's open thread, there was a lot of discussion about healthy cooking. (My suggestion is Ayurvedic -- just find your dosha and eat accordingly.) Other dosha quizzes are here and here. The New York Times this week had an extensive article on Colorado's growing contingent of organic farms on the Western Slope.

Happy father's day to all. This is an open thread.

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    Quick Movie Trivia (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Salo on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 12:38:21 PM EST
    San connery as an Irish American Cop said something about a "Typical Wop bringing a knife to a gun fight."   That's the pop cultural reference for the comment.

    As I recall the stilleto wielding assassin was a ringer for the Gangster with a Thompson Sub-Machinegun waiting in the hallway.  Connery was defeated by the ruse. I really hope that The GOP don't bring a figurative JDAM or a Thermobaric bomb to Obama's gun fight.  There's not much small arms can do against such weapons delivered by supersonic jets at 40,000 ft.

    "Isn't that just like a wop? (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by daryl herbert on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:45:45 PM EST
    "Brings a knife to a gunfight." -- Malone

    Of course, Obama is afraid to get up close and personal with McCain in the town hall debates setting.  If Obama thinks he can assassinate McCain's character from a distance, instead of facing him eye-to-eye, he's mistaken.

    BTD wants "fighting Dems" who distinguish themselves from Republicans.  How is Obama going to do that if he won't debate McCain?

    If only there was some way to bring teleprompters to the debate . . . then Obama would rip McCain a new one.  Hmmmm . . .

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    Am I the only one bothered by (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Grace on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 06:40:11 PM EST
    Obama's comment about bringing a gun to a knife fight?  I find it disturbing.  Just the imagery of that is disturbing.  I live in a city and I'm very much for gun control, so the idea anyone would bring a gun to a fight is completely off-putting.  

    Anyway, I missed it if this was previously discussed on TL.  I just read about it in the NYT today.  

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    No. Made me a twitch (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 07:22:25 PM EST
    I hadn't heard this until I read it here.

    While I wanted a fighting Dem, this is not the fight style I was looking for . . .

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    I read somewhere on the web today (none / 0) (#72)
    by JavaCityPal on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 07:41:57 PM EST
    that quote has been used in a variety of movies and unrelated places to the campaign. While I don't have a problem with the quote, I do have a problem with it being used in this campaign, by that candidate. His camp is the one that would have turned it into a dream for WWIII had his opponent used it.


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    Or more likely an assassination attempt n/t (none / 0) (#74)
    by tree on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 08:00:38 PM EST
    The quote that is commonly (none / 0) (#75)
    by Grace on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 08:31:57 PM EST
    used involves bringing a knife to a gunfight, not the other way around.  

    Obama wants to bring a gun when everyone else has knives.  That's not cool.  I imagine if everyone else had guns, he'd want to bring a nuclear weapon.  

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    But will he (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by LoisInCo on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:57:00 PM EST
    clingggggggggg to that gun?

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    Elliot Ness? (none / 0) (#8)
    by BarnBabe on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 12:44:37 PM EST
    Malone was the character. (none / 0) (#14)
    by Salo on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:19:12 PM EST
    The Untouchables (none / 0) (#19)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:36:14 PM EST
    Frank Nitti, Al 'Scarface' Capone's lieutenant? (none / 0) (#34)
    by Ellie on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 02:32:25 PM EST
    I haven't seen The Untouchables in years, so I'm going on memory, but I can still recall the creepy enforcer.

    I thought the "Chicago Way" prancing was a little thick since rum-running relied on cross-border cooperation from the Canadian RCMP (depicted in the movie as hapless buffoons).

    Capone was nabbed through book-keeping rather than head busting so the tough-guy posturing was over-the-top.

    I liked the movie though (and I loved the perversely thrilling Potemkin sequence with the baby carriage careening down the train station steps.)

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    I still think his version (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 12:38:52 PM EST
    of Leonard Cohen's Bird on a Wire is unsurpassed and unsurpassable. They could play that in church -- or in mosque, synogogue or ashram and it would pretty much say all that needed to be said, IMO.

    Glad to hear he's doing well.

    speaking of good cover versions (none / 0) (#7)
    by Salo on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 12:44:24 PM EST
    of perfect songs, have McCartney, Cohen or Harrison Cohen ever performed together?

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    Couldn't google up the Cocker (none / 0) (#11)
    by Fabian on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:08:58 PM EST
    version, but I found Esther Ofarim's version which comes in second to Willie Nelson's version (Tower of Song tribute album).  Bird on a Wire is a bit difficult because you have to switch emotional and narrative gears in a way that isn't the usual exposition/conflict/climax/resolution progression.

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    Speaking of Tower of Song (none / 0) (#15)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:23:30 PM EST
    Ever seen the version Leonard did on the Night Music program with Sonny Rollins and the singers from Was not Was?

    Another very magical moment.

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    yeah, me too (none / 0) (#55)
    by Patriot Daily on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 04:22:19 PM EST
    he used to live in santa barbara, and held lots of parties and was drunk alot, according to some who went to his house. i am so delighted that he has quit all that drinking. gonna have to buy that new cd. :)

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    What he said (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by nellre on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 12:39:58 PM EST
    Bill Moyers' Speech at the National Conference for Media Reform

    ...millions of Americans who see media consolidation as a corrosive social force. It robs them of their voice in public affairs, pollutes the political culture, and turns the debate over profound issues into a shouting match of polarized views promulgated by partisan apologists who trivialize democracy while refusing to speak the truth about how our country is being plundered


    On organic farming... (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by magisterludi on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:07:54 PM EST
    My grandfather was an organic farmer in WV. I remember stacks of Prevention and Organic Gardening magazines next to the cabinet stocked with weird smelling vitamins and brewer's yeast and boxes of Tiger's Milk.

    I milked cows and churned butter with my grandmother, who was also the family butcher. They bought flour and sugar and a few other sundries, otherwise they lived off their land.

    Now I've got an organic garden. The green beans are coming in and soon I'll be knee deep in cucumbers for pickling. The corn is waist high in front of towering sunflowers. I'm concerned for the cauliflower- aphids or butterflies keep eating the leaves, but all the tomatoes and peppers and squash are flourishing and the yield looks to be heavy.

    I have never pickled or canned before. Any tips? I'm sure TL is just the place to find this wisdom, right?

    2 books I used last summer :) (none / 0) (#20)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:36:34 PM EST
    I didn't can, think I will do it this summer, but they have lost of canning ifno along with other ways to preserve your harvest.

    Putting Food By - Janet Green,Ruth Hertzberg and Beatrice Vaughn  This is an older book, but pretty standard and covers a lot. My mom (who's been doing this since I was a kid) suggested it when I asked :)

    Preserving Summers Bounty - Rondale Garden Book This book is a bit newer and I liked the recipes I tried.  It's not as canning heavy as the first book, but still handy when you have boatloads of produce coming into the kitchen.

    I also did a fair amount of googling for produce I wasn't as familiar with. I joined a CSA last year, so had some veggies I always looked at but never knew what to do with, lol!~

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    I want to apply Victorian Gardening to urban life (none / 0) (#31)
    by Ellie on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 02:11:04 PM EST
    On pickling and canning, I haven't done much of it but do know that success depends on a meticulous work space, properly sanitized containers and clean produce. Choosing the right items to preserve, and the method, is half the success.

    I'm looking into keeping a year-round living garden as a healthy source of supplementary fresh food and a way to conserve energy. Living organics don't need refrigeration or preserving. The right balance of plants also serves as air filters and fresheners, composters and natural deterrents to a huge list of toxins.

    Up front, I might be the worst gardener ever (the oddball in a family that prides itself on championship level output) but I do respectably well with my herbs and salad fare. I always have fresh sprouts going and can never get enough of garlic chives for Asian cooking. They're easy to grow, taste great and I use them constantly.

    I'm designing a mini "vertical greenhouse" out on the deck with someone who's more knowledgeable to take advantage of wall space and be able to protect through freezing temps.

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    Try freezing instead (none / 0) (#87)
    by DFLer on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:14:29 AM EST
    of canning.

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    Wow. (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Marco21 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:41:58 PM EST
    i am watching CNN and just heard Al Franken got the Democratic nod in Minnesota.

    Good times. Love me some Al.

    GREAT! (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Fabian on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:53:16 PM EST
    Man, did I miss Franken when he gave up his radio gig to run for office.  He loved the issues and really did his homework.  Over the top outrage just doesn't do it for me.

    I hope he becomes Senator Franken.  

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    Totally miss his show. (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by Marco21 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 02:02:25 PM EST
    We need him in the Senate, but I would have loved to hear his take on the primary campaign. I am curious as to what he thinks about the Democratic Party's hatred of the Clintons.

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    Looking for fresh, local safe food? (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:46:29 PM EST
    Here's a couple of links I wanted to share. Last year I fired all Big Food Producers from my home and went almost all local, sustainable and non-processed. Cold turkey! I didn't eat a heck of a lot of processed food and shopped the "outer aisles", but even that isn't safe these days. This was my reaction to the pet food recall. I natural feed my pets, so I couldn't boycott pet food companies. It's been over a year and I couldn't be happier!! I make my own yogurts, breads, pastas and even ice cream now. I went through last summer with out repeating a meal, which was FUN and have really gotten back my passion for cooking!

    eatwild and local harvest are good starting links for finding local sources. Oh, and you end up saving money in the long run! Not going to the store as often really cuts down on misc. spending and you aren't getting hit with every cost increase these days. My milk is the same price it was last year as is all my produce.

    Son makes his own (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Molly Pitcher on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 07:19:38 PM EST
    Milk (soy or nuts) and tofu and says his vegan cupcakes are good.  In his town, he can buy vegan ice cream in untold flavors.  (He was a dessert nut.)

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    Wow!~ I hadn't thought of that! (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 07:32:02 PM EST
    I'll have to check into it. I was going to try wine making this year  :)  Vegan eating is pretty easy around me also. I have several eateries with offerings and also organic/natural markets.

    The milk making sounds interesting. The protein farmer in our CSA is also doing soy products, so I'll have to have a chat with her at the next chicken PU. I'm enjoying how many things you can make easily at home. Quick cheeses are also on my list to try this year. I find it amusing that I'm in the middle of Brooklyn and have so much available for this lifestyle :)

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    Have fun with the wine making (none / 0) (#73)
    by JavaCityPal on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 07:51:52 PM EST
    When we lived in Saudi (drinking forbidden) we made our own wine. Rice wine is very good homemade. I also made a potato wine that we all enjoyed.

    I think homemade yoghurt is better than store bought. I learned to make mine in the oven. I don't flavor it since we only use it with our spicy Indian food.

    Those links are really interesting...thanks for sharing.


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    Have you read (none / 0) (#32)
    by Dr Molly on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 02:13:21 PM EST
    Barbara Kingsolver's "Animal, Vegetable, Miracle"?

    Sounds like you would really enjoy it.

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    No I haven't (none / 0) (#36)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 02:39:19 PM EST
    I'll have to check it out, thanks! :)

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    It's a fun read (none / 0) (#38)
    by Dr Molly on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 02:44:51 PM EST
    I've always liked her fiction, but this book is a chronicle about her family's decision to try eating only what they could grow themselves or buy locally for a year. They only bought food grown sustainably and organically and within a 100-mile radius, or they grew/raised it themselves. It is a funny and endearing story, and it is also chock full of facts about things like Eat Wild and the environmental costs of eating things out of season. It's a hard philosophy to live up to completely, but she's not a fanatic about it and just tries to do more of it.

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    100-mile radius (none / 0) (#42)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 03:03:00 PM EST
    There's a website for this. I found it last year and forgot about it! Everything fresh but my beef, pork and pet meats are within the 100-mile radius. I'd say about 80% total of what I purchase food wise for me and the pets is local. We have an online grocer (Fresh Direct) that also does a lot of local so I can get seafood and a few other things if I don't feel like hitting the farmers market. My meats come from a ranch farther upstate and the pet meats from PA. Last night I picked up 3 chickens through my CSA that had be "processed" that morning. I'll be roasting one tonight :) This is a new addition this year to our CSA along with an orchard joining in.

    I'm moving to CA next year and the first thing I did was check out local sources, lol!~ I was a little nuts last year because I just jumped into it. It was one of those "D*nm YOU!" snap decisions against food producers. I spent quite a bit of time online sourcing and checking out the sources and now it's pretty darn easy. I'm not too obsessive now, more habitual :) OK, I did buy a soda maker . . . lol!~ I went to the grocery store for the first time in months last week. I needed to stock up on vinegar and other natural cleaning supplies. Yeah, fired those guys too! I was already a pretty safe cleaner with all the animals, but went all the way and make all my solutions now. SO much cheaper and healthier.

    Can't wait to read the book! Gonna track it down tomorrow, thanks!!!  :)

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    I read "Animal Vegetable Miracle" (none / 0) (#47)
    by zyx on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 03:27:59 PM EST
    too extreme for this moderate, and too "me, us", but good for being thoughtful about what you eat. My neighbor talks a lot about doing this. But why not eat a reasonable proportion of things you like that you can't get/aren't grown in your area, especially if the energy budget to get them to your area isn't outrageous? A melon grown in another hemisphere is one thing, especially if you buy one every week, but if you want certain dried beans or if they don't grow bread-type wheat in your part of the world, come on! And if you live in the north, you just might want to eat some tropical fruits once in a while. And so on.

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    I know, I agree (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Dr Molly on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 04:21:45 PM EST
    She had the luxury of being an expert gardener, having lots of money, and having 100% free time to explore the lifestyle. Totally unrealistic for your average person!

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    I do eat some "out of area, (none / 0) (#56)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 04:22:50 PM EST
    out of season". I can get most everything I need here in NY state. Next level is USA (Alaskan salmon, etc) and then there are items outside of US. I try with the next 2 levels to keep a certain level of awareness. Buy Fair Trade etc. not only is it good for the planet, local economies etc, but gosh darn, it just tastes better  ;) I've been enjoying my journey and all the wonderful food and information along the way. I also don't have to worry about all the expanding recalls. And believe me, there are more than you see on the news, and ones that are publicized that don't become "official" recalls. I knew about the tomatoes before they hit the news here in NY and I don't think the Tyson chicken issue ever did . . .

    I would rather eat my tomatoes and such through the winter than wonder what I'm getting at the store. I have zero confidence in mass food  import/production/safety in the US these days.   ;)

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    Gallup poll (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:47:05 PM EST
    Obama/McCain in a statistical tie again.

    Scroll way down at the link and look where the undecided/someone else numbers are....:

    Link

    Did you see the related items on the right? (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:53:50 PM EST
    the ones for the 11th and 12th look to be Obama positive, but he's dropping down to a virtual tie with McCain? Hmmm . . . .

    The undecided/someone else numbers will be interesting to watch . . .

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    15% undecided (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by stillife on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:59:05 PM EST
    highest of the year, says Gallup.  Interesting.

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    A little bump, a little slide. (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Fabian on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 03:49:09 PM EST
    15% neither/nor!

    It's early yet, but the Unity Bump is not looking very impressive.

    I'd prefer a better poll than this one, but I see no reason for any candidate to be overly confident.

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    BTD to the courtesy phone ... paging BTD (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Ellie on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 02:45:12 PM EST
    I find this in direct contrast to the CW of Obama's inevitability and the Dem's fortunes in the GE as solid, but I'm new to numbers crunching. (That's never been my area of focus or concern during campaign activism.)

    Given the amount of propping, honeymooning, hyping and positive framing against a historically bad admin and same-old McCain, an allegedly weak opponent, I thought Obama should have a much bigger lead.

    (The pre-emptive blaming of meany Clinton supporters sitting back won't wash here, as the daily gospel held that the new coalition vote was so huge and so solid.)

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    Interesting! (none / 0) (#35)
    by stillife on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 02:32:55 PM EST
    I just scrolled down - missed that before - and half of the "undecideds" are neither/other.  

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    Random Olbermann moment (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by davnee on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 03:02:06 PM EST
    So my power just flashed off and I lost my satellite feed to the Rangers-Mets game.  My Rangers comfortably ahead.  Took a minute or two for my receiver to reset.  I come back to the game and the Rangers are now suddenly in jeopardy, and what do I hear the announcers say?  "Blame it on Keith Olbermann.  He just came in the booth and everything went south."  And sure enough they flash a shot of KO sitting in the Mets booth.  The man is destined to torture and enrage me - even in the most unexpected ways.  LOL!

    Is is true that the DNC won't allow Hillary (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by rjarnold on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 03:20:07 PM EST
    delegates to vote for her at the convention?

    If it is true, I think that could alienate more Hillary supporters than the FL/MI debacle. I don't see the point in it; it's like party unity by way of chainsaw.

    What I'd like to see (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Molly Pitcher on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 07:15:36 PM EST
    at the convention is for all the delegates for Obama and Hillary to be seated--and then for all the Hillary delegates to walk out together.  (Assuming O. has not self-destructed by then.)

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    Campaign Obamizing VS Community Organizing? (5.00 / 4) (#52)
    by jen on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 04:06:33 PM EST
    Just found this really interesting article about how they have "evangelized" people into the Obama Movement and their training to bring more into the Movement. This really helps us to see what has happened to some of our old 'friends'... plus that annoying thing we all complain about where they answer your questions with a link to his website? It's part of the TRAINING!

    Campaign Obamizing VS Community Organizing? (Black Agenda Report)

    Hmmpfh (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by Valhalla on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 05:16:31 PM EST
    So the other day someone made a joke about Obama supporters attracting support by giving a 2 minute story of how they 'came to' Obama.

    At least, I thought it was a joke.  According to this (and I really, really, have no idea about the trustworthiness of this publication), that is the preferred strategy.  Not community organization but evangelization:

    A key goal of the training, Exley noted, was to "learn how to tell our own stories," or, as Ganz said, to "put into words why you're called and why we've been called, to change the way the world works."  

    Participants worked on telling their story about how they came to support Obama in the correct way, using "materials and worksheets" that gave "structure and flow to the story telling process."  The aim was to be able to "tell their 'story of self' in less than two minutes."  Or 30 seconds if a person is phone canvassing.  Or a "couple key ideas" if someone is canvassing.  
    [snip]
    There is also reference to policy, and to Obama's policy statements, but these take a back seat to the storytelling.  

    Field Organizer Kim Mack told a group of volunteers in California, for example that "potential voters would no doubt confront them with policy questions. Mack's direction: "Don't go there. Refer them to Obama's Web site, which includes enough material to sate any wonk."

    The whole analysis, esp. surrounding using a faith-based organized model is quite interesting.  The author is Dr. Aaron Schultz, a professor at the University of Wisconsin.

    For me, not being part of any organized religion by choice, this is fairly creepy.  ymmv.

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    The Story About Obama's Training Program (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 06:16:19 PM EST
    and personal stories about how they came to Obama was in sacbee in January.

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    Yeah the movementarian hive creeps me out too (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:53:02 AM EST
    They are building a religion. (Song is Comfort Eagle by Cake.)

    And who among the elders of teh new faith decided that inflicting these "personal" pestimonies on strangers was anything but annoying? Who gives a sh!t about how a couple of pests "came to Obama"?

    What next, forced group counselling with a swarm of them unloading their psychic junk on you in the mall parking lot? Complimentary finger paintings to put on your fridge?

    It's a model based on viral infestation. They keep using the "we" buzzword, but in using Pester Power, ignoring the value of mutual consent.

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    "ignoring the value of mutual consent" (5.00 / 3) (#82)
    by Valhalla on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:37:56 AM EST
    That sums it right up.  That's the creepy part.  Although thinking about it, at least when evangelists try to convert people, they do to save their immortal souls, not gather new adulation for Obama.

    Although now all the 'reaching out' to evangelists, especially the 'youth' part of them makes more sense.  They are a group of people who are already familiar with how the coming-to process works.

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    What is the author's academic discipline? (none / 0) (#60)
    by oculus on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 05:20:38 PM EST
    According to the linked article at BAR (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by tree on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 05:24:28 PM EST
    Dr. Aaron Schultz is associate professor and chair of the Department of Educational Policy and Community Studies at the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee. His web site is http://www.educationaction.org/, and his occasionally updated diary, where this essay first appeared, is at Openleft.com.


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    See comment #62 (none / 0) (#63)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 06:17:58 PM EST
    This was reported by the sacbee in January.

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    This article completely explains why (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by Grace on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 06:53:04 PM EST
    Obama supporters couldn't answer any questions.  

    On another board I post on, three of us completely disected one section of Obama's website (I think it was the healthcare issue) and broke it apart with about 20 good questions for the Obama supporter.  The questions involved issues that any reasonable person would expect a supporter to be able to better explain such as "How will this plan affect the employer and will will the employer be expected to provide?"

    Well, Obama supporter couldn't answer even one question.  He didn't know the answers and just kept saying "read the website."  We were reading the website.  We were taking the detailed information on the website (ha!) and asking logical questions about it.

    Anyway, this is a really good link you posted.  Thanks for posting it.        

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    I tried that also (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by nycstray on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 07:17:23 PM EST
    with folks I had been posting with (and had met in person). Oy. I also provided policy positions they had put out pre-Iowa so folks could compare them side-by-side. Again, Oy.

    If his positions and campaigning had had more substance/meat, I wouldn't be so concerned about his lack of qualifications, experience and flip-flopping on issues.

    {sigh}

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    Instantly testy if their rote is disrupted (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 02:00:28 AM EST
    The message off any particular day's Turfing Points Memo has been self-evident from the oPod gaggles that arrive here daily to convert the heretics and doubters.

    What's striking is how even the most benign questions draw out immediate indignation, hostility and insults.

    Rationally, if someone's intending to sell anything, questions for more info should be taken as a GOOD thing.

    However, the reaction of oPods to meet anything but total, instant compliance with anger shows that actually getting new votes isn't the goal so much as having their own tiny rapt audience for the pestering.

    It's as if they were led to believe they're micr-O-bamas working their own irresistable teensy charisma and that alone would be enough to net converts.

    Be the change you want to see in the world? That took even old souls like Gandhi and Buddha considerable personal sacrifice, soul-searching and struggle to achieve.

    I see nothing but unmerited arrogance in leader and followers for expecting total control over others.

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    At least with (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Molly Pitcher on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 07:11:46 PM EST
    the NTSA in charge, I don't think we will meet these people in the airports with little cups.  Otherwise....(fill in the gaps.)

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    The website in your link (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by Grace on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 10:37:33 PM EST
    "Black Agenda Report" has some fascinating articles on it and some really interesting comments.  

    I'm reading "Seven Reasons Not to Get Overly Excited About the Fact That Obama is Black"

    This would make a good topic for a discussion.  

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    Not here (none / 0) (#80)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:51:03 AM EST
    it would be race-baiting. Too many readers have demonstrated they can't discuss race without insulting someone.

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    Wow, I just love Joe Cocker (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by A little night musing on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 05:14:03 PM EST
    Ever since "Marjorine"!

    This is so nice to read what he's up to. Thanks, Jeralyn.

    A very long time ago he said one of my favorite lines ever, which of course I failed to write down exactly - something to the effect that one must treat people well on the way up, because it's a long way back down.

    Words to live by.

    Just last Thursday at work (none / 0) (#1)
    by BarnBabe on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 12:33:48 PM EST
    We got in an afternoon discussion of Joe Cocker and Sly Stone. And we were looking at this exact Woodstock Joe Cocker video on YouTube and another one of a more recent performance. Before SNL, there use to be a midnight rock show that I use to love to watch. Sly and the Family Stone were on a lot and I loved how he use to look up from under his hat while singing If You Want Me to Stay. We use to imitate Joe Cocker when we were kids. Thought he was funny but loved his songs.

    Cocker making the perfect ... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Salo on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 12:40:08 PM EST
    ...just a little bit better.

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    I love his "You Can Leave Your Hat On" (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:37:51 PM EST
    One of my favorites also (5.00 / 0) (#50)
    by MO Blue on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 03:42:03 PM EST
    Since I'm a big hat person, it made the song more fun.

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    Etta James (none / 0) (#86)
    by DFLer on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 09:10:35 AM EST
    Kills that tune.

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    Joe Cocker and my brush with fame. (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:33:49 PM EST
    When I was a teenager, I had a good friend who's brother worked at a music venue in Chicago called Kinetic Playground. He got three of us on the guest list to see a show which was headlined by the Who and also featured Joe Cocker and Buddy Miles. We didn't know who Joe Cocker was, we wanted to see the Who. They played three nights and we got in all three nights and got to hang out backstage and even got to take a swig of Roger Daltry's scotch. The amazing thing, looking back on it, is that everyone was really nice to us, especially members of Joe Cocker's and Buddy Miles' band and very protective even though they let us drink. But it was an awesome experience to get to see those three acts three nights in a row.

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    I'm jealous (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by stillife on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 02:43:48 PM EST
    I would have died for a swig of Roger Daltrey's scotch - and I don't even like scotch!

    I remember the Kinetic Playground.  =)

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    I didn't like scotch either.... (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 03:08:25 PM EST
    ...but how could I say no?

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    Wasn't It Called The Midnight Special (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:35:49 PM EST
    hosted by Wolfman Jack?

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    Ah, Wolfman Jack..one of my favorite (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by FlaDemFem on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 03:32:26 PM EST
    people. I grew up listening to him. He was totally cool. Totally. Used to put my transistor radio under my pillow and listen to him while I went to sleep. Most times I remembered to turn off the radio, heh, but sometimes I would wake up to a dead battery. But the Wolfman was worth it. I remember all the parents saying that our generation would grow up deaf with deformed ears from having the transistor radios pressed up against them all the time. Back then, even scifi didn't have I-pods. Heh.

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    Yep...he was the man....haven't even heard (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 04:18:57 PM EST
    the words "transistor radio" in years...lol  Overall I would have to say our generation had some remarkable achievements and turned out very well...we were the last recipients of really decent schooling.  I am amazed at how uninformed the younger generations have become.

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    Sly! (none / 0) (#6)
    by magisterludi on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 12:43:15 PM EST
    Hot Fun in the Summertime, Everybody is a Star... ah, memories.

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    Sly! (none / 0) (#39)
    by stillife on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 02:45:07 PM EST
    Cancelled concerts due to drug problems.  Awesome musician, but I never did get to see him live.  I tried, but he kept standing me up.  I remember one near-riot - I think it was at Grant Park in Chicago - when he canceled a gig.

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    Hey were you there? I was!!!! (none / 0) (#44)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 03:08:57 PM EST
    Yes! (none / 0) (#45)
    by stillife on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 03:10:34 PM EST
    And I was also at a number of other canceled Sly concerts, all the way up into the early 80's.  

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    Belushi (none / 0) (#13)
    by Spike on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:13:08 PM EST
    I can't watch a video of Joe Cocker without a memory of John Belushi bringing a smile to my lips.

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    Peace On The Horizon? (none / 0) (#9)
    by squeaky on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 12:55:09 PM EST
    Israel has agreed in principle to an Egyptian-mediated proposal for a cease-fire and the opening of intensive talks for the release of kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit, security and government sources said yesterday.

    Haaretz

    And perhaps, despite BushCo and other right wing meddling, a thirty year truce is on the horizon.

    Sayed Abu Musameh is one of the founders of Hamas and now a member of the legislature. One of the old guard moderates, he is also on the board of Hamas's first research organization just opening here. It is called Beit al Hikma, the House of Wisdom, and seeks to build bridges with the West.

    "We are not seeking all of Palestine, only the '67 borders," he said. "Then there would be a truce for a very long period to pave the way for the next generation to resolve the issues we are paralyzed to resolve."[emphasis added]

    NYT

    via War and Piece

    I was struck by the idea of how things, that are stuck now, can change generationally. This, perhaps, sheds some light on Obama's outreach to young evangelicals. They may be shifting to the left, which to me, a godless one, seems eminently more Christian. I can only hope that they are reevaluating the hypocrisy of right wing hate embodied by their parents generation who seem to only vote R.

    What makes the "hate" (none / 0) (#16)
    by jondee on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:29:42 PM EST
    so insidious is that they refuse to consider it in that light but in the light of "prophecy fulfillment", i.e., the big desert warlord in the sky saying "Do THIS or else".

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    Pitta (none / 0) (#12)
    by Spike on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:10:03 PM EST
    I'm about 70 percent pitta. About three years ago I adapted both my diet and my yoga practice accordingly.

    I took three tests (none / 0) (#33)
    by otherlisa on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 02:16:16 PM EST
    Got three different results!

    Pita/Kapha

    Kapha

    Pita.

    NOW what?!

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    is that REALLY Obama's birth certificate? (none / 0) (#22)
    by Josey on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 01:40:29 PM EST


    out of curiousity, (none / 0) (#49)
    by cpinva on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 03:41:50 PM EST
    what's an "organic"? what do they look like? where do you find them? are they indiginous to particular geographic areas? do you raise "organics" from seeds or sprouts? how can you tell if an "organic" is ripe or mature? are these domestic or imported "organics"?

    people want to know dammit!

    Guess who's running for President (none / 0) (#57)
    by tree on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 04:57:54 PM EST
    from the grave, no yet. Pat Paulsen is running once again, 11 years after his death.

    Pat on the issues:

    Middle Class....."What middle class? There's only seven people left in the middle class - who cares about them? 4-12

    National Debt....."Let the kids pay it - they still owe us rent and gas money." 4-05

    The Future....."Worrying about the future is a thing of the past. I don't think about it." 3-29

    Foreign Aid...."We should ask every country in the world to send us whatever they can." 3-22

    Same Sex Marriages...."I'm for them. They will cut down on overcrowding in the schools." 3-15

    Pat on Education...."Every child has a right to go to high school and end up with a third grade education." 3-08

    Pat on taxes...."No Taxes. Let's just tip the government 15% if they do a good job." 3-01

    Pat on prayer in the schools...."Kids should be able to go to school and pray they won't get shot." 2-23

    Pat on his running mate...."Many of you have asked why it's taken me so long to select a running mate. I have no intention of reaching into the political grab bag and grabbing any man to be my running mate. I'm going to reach in and grab a woman!" 2-16

    Pat on drugs...."They said I ignored the drug problem. Well, I gave speeches on drugs, I wrote books on drugs.....I did darn near everything on drugs!" 2-09

    Pat on his motivation.... "I'm often asked why I travel around the country talking politics. Is it for humanitarian reasons, community spirit, or is it for the money, the limosines or the girls? The answers are: no, no, yes yes yes!" 2-o1



    Geez (none / 0) (#79)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:24:36 AM EST
    You would think that they would change their names the second time around, but no David Sanger reports breaking news, again, about guess what?

    .....And as they sifted through files and images on the hard drives, investigators found tons of material -- orders for equipment, names and places where the Khan network operated, even old love letters.

    "There was stuff about dealing with Iranians in 2003, about how to avoid intelligence agents," said one official who had reviewed it. But the most important document was a digitized design for a nuclear bomb, one that investigators quickly recognized as Pakistani.

    "It was plain where this came from," a senior official of the atomic energy agency said. "But the Pakistanis want to argue that the Khan case is closed, and so they have said very little."

    NYT


    Today (sunday) I went (none / 0) (#83)
    by LoisInCo on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 01:47:47 AM EST
    to the Renaissance Festival in Colorado. Lots of fun ,great weather ( I heart the washing well wenches!), and of course good food. But one thing bothered me. They had elephant rides. 3 elephants walking around in a circle with baskets of people on them. ( I know this is not a unique practice)I just thought that it's a horrible way to treat an elephant. Kind put a damper on the good time. :-(

    Request? (none / 0) (#85)
    by clapclappointpoint on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 05:02:16 AM EST
    This may be outside the bounds of your usual commentary, but it sorta relates to (contract) law.  

    The City of Seattle vs. Sonics trial starts tomorrow and it has important implications for cities and sports fans.  Basically, the local NBA franchise is being held hostage by out-of-town owners that demanded a $500 million arena with all revenue benefiting them.

    It's not criminal law, but it involves law and local politics and I think it might be interesting.