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Kentucky 's Demographics

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:01:46 PM EST
Tags: Kentucky '08, Hillary Clinton (all tags)
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Five threads in one day for John Edwards is plenty. Even the Washington Post says his endorsement will have a short news cycle hit and in the end not matter much.

So, onto Kentucky. Hillary got the endorsement today of four former Democratic KY governors. The demographics favor her. And, while a record number have registered to vote, only 16,000 new voters registered since January. [More...]

A record 2.8 million Kentuckians are registered to vote in the primary election. Of those, 1.6 million are Democrats. And, despite the close presidential primary, the number of new registered voters hasn't skyrocketed. In the past six months, 16,000 people have registered, 13,000 of them as Democrats.

Records from the Kentucky Board of Elections show that 53 percent of the state's registered voters are women, a demographic that has played in Clinton's favor in other states. Kentucky doesn't track party registrants by race, but blacks make up only 7.4 percent of the state's population compared with 12.4 percent nationally — a far smaller minority voting bloc than in other Southern states carried by Obama.

And Kentucky voters are slightly older than voters nationally, another advantage for Clinton.

There are 51 delegates. As for superdelegates:

Clinton has won the endorsement of three of Kentucky's Democratic superdelegates. Obama has been endorsed by two, both Democratic congressmen representing the state's two largest cities. Three other superdelegates remain undecided.

On polls: May 9 - 11, Survey USA:

Survey USA Kentucky Poll conducted on 9 May – 11 May showed Clinton leading Obama by 32 points – 62 to 30 among Kentucky Democratic primary voters. Conducted on sample size of 641, the poll, with Margin of error: ± 3.8 , indicated a massive victory for Clinton.

So long as Hillary remains in the race, we'll keep following the primaries. She deserves at least that. And so do her supporters.

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    Is it true that Edwards was a (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Shainzona on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:03:56 PM EST
    former Axelrod client?

    Coincidence?

    True (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by facta non verba on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:34:56 PM EST
    Alexrod was Edwards' campaign strategist in 2004. This time around, Alexrod said of Edwards that "he couldn't close the deal." He went on to say that he had run a brilliant campaign but that Edwards was flawed.

    [ Parent ]
    facta...remind you of anyone else...obama hasn't (5.00 / 2) (#185)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:42:36 PM EST
    been able to seal the deal either and he certainly is flawed...

    [ Parent ]
    Whoops, sorry to bring up Edwards (none / 0) (#3)
    by Shainzona on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:04:45 PM EST
    again.

    On to Kentucky!

    Rise.  Hillary.  Rise!

    [ Parent ]

    First we take WV, then we take Kentucky (5.00 / 7) (#2)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:04:14 PM EST
    (sung to First we take Manhattan then we take Berlin)

    And then THE NOMINATION!!! :) NT (5.00 / 5) (#11)
    by Marvin42 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:09:58 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Now that song is in my head. (none / 0) (#105)
    by ruffian on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:42:19 PM EST
    Who sings it?  Gonna drive me nuts!

    [ Parent ]
    Leonard Cohen (none / 0) (#130)
    by karen for Clinton on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:58:12 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Leonard Cohen (none / 0) (#131)
    by herb the verb on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:58:43 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I have seen the comment (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by zyx on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:06:59 PM EST
    made on the exit poll in neighboring WV, that ""Two in 10 whites said the race of the candidate was a factor in their vote, second only to Mississippi."

    Has this question ever been asked of AA voters?  I am seriously curious.

    dunno but I am skeptical (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by moll on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:15:58 PM EST
    I don't know, but what I am curious about is how that question is asked and how it is meant to be interpreted.

    Is race a factor? could mean Is race a factor that affects your decision? or it could mean Do you believe race is a factor that could affect the overall outcome? Or....??

    You get the point.

    It has to be very carefully worded, and the results should be treated with caution.

    [ Parent ]

    Yes...it's about the same iirc. (5.00 / 8) (#43)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:18:37 PM EST
    It's such a red herring. How many racists are there supposed to be in America? Jeebus!

    There is something wrong with OBAMA, not the voters who don't vote for him. It is his fault the majority of Democratic voters don't want him for President.

    [ Parent ]

    Amen To That Madamab. And Wouldn't It Be (5.00 / 5) (#151)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:14:22 PM EST
    great if some of those obama followers would awake from their slumber and come toward the light?  Honestly, I know I am biased, but it seems as plain as the noses on their faces that Hillary is the more viable and experienced candidate.  What does it tell you when you ask one obama's followers what he stands for and they answer "hope and change" and are at a loss for anything past that...

    [ Parent ]
    Or they say (5.00 / 1) (#224)
    by cal1942 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:05:14 AM EST
    'have you read his book?'

    I've had that one thrown at me.

    [ Parent ]

    Voters may look at AA bloc votes and notice race (5.00 / 2) (#209)
    by itsadryheat on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:35:24 AM EST
    When asked, they may very well say that they believe race has had an effect on the vote, and all the while assume the pollster means the way Black voters are almost entirely for Obama, thinking they wouldn't be were he not Black.  The obvious observation is very different from white racists refusing to vote for a Black candidate, but Tweety sure couldn't see it.

    Notice how the anchors and pundits said Hillary won WV cause they were poor, old and undereducated?

    How many of the assertions(or assumptions) expressed  the last 28 hours would have led  viewers  to learn that :

    Young people in West Virginia voted for Hillary  59 - 35 . ? And Hillary has tended to win young votes since California except among Blacks!

    People with  college  made up 58% of the vote.  Hillary won them 61 - 30!  (and 14 %  of the voters  listed Post Graduate and Hillary won them  55 - 40!)

    People earning over $50,000 made up 45 % of the vote.  Hillary won them  61 - 30!

    Independents made up 18% of the vote.  Hillary won them  54 - 32.!

    Union households made up  35% of the vote.  Hillary won them  69 - 23!

    Liberals made up 34% of the vote. Hillary won them  67 - 29!  (She won 'Very Liberal' 72 - 23!)

    Yep, course she won;they're all old, poor undereducated, conservative women!


    [ Parent ]

    you forgot to mention that they're all (5.00 / 1) (#213)
    by cpinva on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:01:49 AM EST
    racists. this is very important to the story.

    Yep, course she won;they're all old, poor undereducated, conservative women!

    blacks, by definition can't be racist, only majorities can be. as a consequence, they vote strictly based on qualifications.

    bogus? you betcha! racism knows no boundaries, everyone can play! but reality seems a quality difficult to locate in the obama camp these days.

    i've no doubt some votes (by everyone) were cast, based solely on the race (or gender) of the candidates. i suspect more so in the AA community, but that's just speculation, i've no quantifiable data to support it. so what? as a black man, or a female, they should expect that and deal with it. i'm not suggesting it's right or acceptable, just our present reality.

    the difference between the candidates in this regard is glaring: sen. obama loses a primary, it must be racism; sen. clinton loses a primary, she just moves on.

    if the obama camp whines this much, during the democratic primaries, they are in for a truly rude awakening, come the GE, should he be the eventual dem. nominee.

    [ Parent ]

    Wow. (5.00 / 12) (#5)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:07:37 PM EST
    I wonder if Kentucky voters will outdo predictions like the West Virginia voters did?

    I'm not giving up on our girl. She stays strong and so should we!

    Obama is desperate. Remember this is all a show to dispirit and demoralize her followers.

    She is the strongest and the best, and she should be the nominee. Yes, she will!

    Calling Kentucky tomorrow (5.00 / 4) (#8)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:09:34 PM EST
    Should we waste time calling Oregon?

    [ Parent ]
    I don't know... (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:10:55 PM EST
    have they all voted by mail at this point?

    [ Parent ]
    Doesn't sound like it. They have til (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by nycstray on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:14:18 PM EST
    Tuesday, so I would say do heavy calling until Friday at least. They can still do drop offs on Tues. So maybe alternate states on the weekend. lol!~  :)

    [ Parent ]
    YES, CALL OREGON (5.00 / 10) (#17)
    by Kathy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:11:31 PM EST
    Don't give up, Stellaaa.  Even if he's slated to win, we need to do all we can to shut down the margins and bring it as close as possible.

    [ Parent ]
    Funny thing when calling (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:16:05 PM EST
    I hardly have a detectable accent left, but when I do this political calling, I think I sound like those service centers and I have to keep saying I am a volunteer.  Accents show up at the oddest times.  It's that "hillary clinton" for a non native american, is a dead giveaway.  Cannot say it without sounding like I just came to America.  

    [ Parent ]
    Oregon ballots not due until May 20. (5.00 / 5) (#104)
    by caseyOR on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:41:51 PM EST
    There are still quite a few voters here in Oregon who have yet to return their ballot. Many, many, many people do not return their ballots until election day. Please keep calling. All help appreciated.

    [ Parent ]
    Casey....Is That Usual For People To Wait (none / 0) (#154)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:16:34 PM EST
    til the "bitter" end to send in their ballots?

    [ Parent ]
    In a word, yes. (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by caseyOR on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:23:35 PM EST
    The last day to mail ballots is Friday. Ballots must be received by 8 pm on May 20. The postmark is irrelevant. Many people decide the weekend before election day and then hand-deliver their ballots to one of the many drop-off sites around the state. So, this is s great time to make phone calls in Oregon.

    [ Parent ]
    Only 22% of ballots returned (5.00 / 2) (#223)
    by caseyOR on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:46:49 AM EST
    According to the Sec. of State's office, as of May 13, only 22% of ballots had been returned. Lots of voters are still deciding.

    [ Parent ]
    Here's another reason to call (5.00 / 1) (#219)
    by tree on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:28:38 AM EST
    According to SUSA Oregon poll from 2 days ago, Clinton's trailing by 9, but among those that have already voted, she's only behind by 1, so there are still people out there to be persuaded, and Obama's lead can still be cut. You go girl!

    [ Parent ]
    I would like to make calls but I have never done (none / 0) (#225)
    by bridget on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:08:40 AM EST
    it before -I really want to help but I have no idea how this works and worry I may not know the right answers.  

    Will I get instructions from the campaign?

    I have been wanting to ask this question. What do you all think? I live on the West coast. Please advice!

    [ Parent ]

    You'll get instructions from the campaign. (none / 0) (#226)
    by cal1942 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:16:34 AM EST
    Call by all means.

    [ Parent ]
    thank you cal (none / 0) (#229)
    by bridget on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:28:24 AM EST
    great to get a response to my qs this late :-)

    time to go to bed now - will call tom.

    Go Hillary!

    [ Parent ]

    I was just in Oregon, going back this weekend (5.00 / 7) (#52)
    by catfish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:21:08 PM EST
    First of all, SUSA said that of ballots already received, it was 50-49 Obama. Secondly, many remain undecided. Thirdly, my sense walking around there was people were MUCH more open to voting Hillary than I expected (compared to the SF Bay Area.)

    Finally, women were tearing into the campaign office asking for lawn signs and what they could do because they were devastated.

    Call Oregon! It's a quirky state. They are very anti-war. Obama's gas tax attack ad is running there, so if you can say something about that or about his Nuclear Power bill that lobbyists were able to water down with little effort, that would be great!

    Final day Oregonioans can drop off mail-in ballots is Tue May 20! Drop boxes all over the state for voters who missed mail-in deadline.

    [ Parent ]

    remember, he voted FOR the Cheney (5.00 / 4) (#117)
    by nycstray on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:50:37 PM EST
    Energy Bill. Hillary did not.

    Also, if you hit rural or farming folks, you can check her Senate site for info:

    [ Parent ]

    Nice! One challenge with Oregon (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by catfish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:01:23 PM EST
    is they're not hurting there. A median family income of $70K is considered an upscale neighborhood.

    Lots of independent farms though, so your link helps!

    [ Parent ]

    Got another one for ya here (5.00 / 5) (#148)
    by nycstray on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:12:27 PM EST
    Talks about more regarding animals, farm and raising

    One thing that stands out about Clinton's record is that she has taken a leadership role in efforts to stop the overuse of antibiotics in farm animals.  The same drugs used to treat illness in people are often used in massive quantities on factory farms--not because the animals are sick, but in order to build up immunity so more animals can be crammed together in overcrowded, stressful, unsanitary conditions.  Because these drugs are pumped into the food we eat, they lose their effectiveness when they're needed most.

    Many folks care about safe food production etc. Also safe imports

    [ Parent ]

    That may be true in some (5.00 / 1) (#201)
    by seeker on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:51:40 PM EST
    neighborhoods.  But Portland, as a whole, has a median FAMILY income of around $43,000.  Rural areas, of which there are a lot, are lower.  Many are still hurting badly from the collapse of the timber industry.  And the Coast has just seen the salmon season entirely cancelled.  Big hit to that entire economy.  Those are just a few examples.

    Don't let a few wealthy neighborhoods in Portland, Eugene, Bend and Ashland fool you.

    [ Parent ]

    Maybe It Is True, The More They Get To Know (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:18:53 PM EST
    obama, the less palatable he is.  It would be great to know exactly how many people have changed their minds about voting for him, if that is the case.

    [ Parent ]
    Could you post a link? (none / 0) (#72)
    by Faust on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:26:10 PM EST
    For this information:

    SUSA said that of ballots already received, it was 50-49 Obama.


    [ Parent ]
    I think it was TalkLeft (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by catfish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:41:43 PM EST
    Darn, trying to find it.

    What it said was, of ballots handed in: neck and neck.

    Overall voters: Obama ahead, but Hillary closer than a few weeks ago. Also, Obama ahead of Hillary, but a large portion in the middle that were undecided (like Obama 48 Hillary 40, undecided 12, something like that.)

    [ Parent ]

    SUSA poll (none / 0) (#221)
    by tree on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:37:59 AM EST
    Here
    Scroll over to the column labeled "already voted", just to the right of "race", under "actual v" you'll see that the numbers are 48 Clinton and 49 Obama.

    [ Parent ]
    On Calling Oregon (5.00 / 12) (#53)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:21:19 PM EST
    By all means; I understand the race is closer there than we might think, and we surely want to gain as many delegates as possible.

    I am in the middle of finals, but I am so annoyed at the Edwards' endorsement and the attempt to discourage Clinton voters in upcoming primaries, that I am taking time out from studying to phone bank.

    [ Parent ]

    Thank you (5.00 / 2) (#222)
    by tree on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:41:29 AM EST
    If you need info specific to Oregon, let them know about Hillary's Oregon Compact. It's a good plan, much more detailed of course than Obama's plan, and it doesn't relocate the Great Lakes into Oregon like Obama's did.

    [ Parent ]
    I am with you (5.00 / 13) (#13)
    by Kathy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:10:27 PM EST
    been phone banking my ear off and will continue to do so.  KY calls have been going over very, very well.  Lots of "she's already got my vote!" answers (from the ones who answered).

    Rise, Hillary, Rise!

    [ Parent ]

    you're here.... (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:11:50 PM EST
    Heh...hoorah.

    [ Parent ]
    never give up/never surrender (5.00 / 5) (#25)
    by Kathy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:14:01 PM EST
    My cat is nearly maxed out, but I've got another one and we're all giving to Emily's List to GOTV.  KY is the test --Obama's last chance to try to win back the largest voting bloc the dems have.  We have to do our part to help our girl!  Onwards!

    [ Parent ]
    Since You Are Maxed Out, Did You See The (5.00 / 8) (#83)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:32:29 PM EST
    the WomenCount PAC request for support on Taylor Marsh. They are running full page ads for Hillary in various new papers. It is a very powerful ad celebrating women.

    [ Parent ]
    Yep! (5.00 / 5) (#92)
    by Kathy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:36:21 PM EST
    Fedexed them a check today!  I am a multi-tasked for Clinton!

    [ Parent ]
    Wasn't That A Beautiful Ad? n/t (5.00 / 2) (#119)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:52:32 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Let us know tomorrow if anyone (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:13:12 PM EST
    mentions the Edwards endorsement.

    [ Parent ]
    Desperate (none / 0) (#227)
    by cal1942 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:23:13 AM EST
    I hope SDs notice that his last swing state primary win was in Wisconsin on Feb. 19 and his last primary win in a Democratic state was Vermont on Mar. 4th.

    [ Parent ]
    Agreed Jeralyn! (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Andy08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:08:36 PM EST
    onto Kentucky!! Interesting demographics.

    The media will be deployed (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by diplomatic on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:09:10 PM EST
    time to go find as many stories of local Kentucky folk who think uneducated things about Obama to later dismiss the population as backwards and not relevant.

    Question: If Hillary really blows out Obama again in Kentucky who will be the first to write a headline that uses a KFC pun?

    Or a Kentucky derby pun (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:10:32 PM EST
    of some kind.

    [ Parent ]
    Twetty has already done that one! (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Shainzona on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:14:30 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    You mean like (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by mg7505 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:56:38 PM EST
    covering the horse race?

    Sorry if someone already posted this!

    [ Parent ]

    Heh (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by Steve M on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:13:32 PM EST
    I was in KY back in March.  My cab driver was telling me how Obama doesn't say the Pledge of Allegiance and that he believes in the Koran instead of the Bible.  Well, he couldn't think of the name of the book actually, he called it "that Muslim book."

    How's that for anecdotal evidence?  This really happened.

    [ Parent ]

    Truly (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:18:25 PM EST
    this stuff is viral. My son came home from middle school with the story that Obama was a muslim and he hated america. Of course, I told him the truth but it's become the truth to lots of people.

    [ Parent ]
    Heh (5.00 / 3) (#61)
    by Steve M on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:23:50 PM EST
    The funny part of the story is how I, as a good Democrat, tried to stick up for Obama.

    I didn't get in the guy's face or anything, but I politely told him, "It's actually not true that he's a Muslim, I know the church he goes to in Chicago and it's a Christian church."

    In hindsight, if I had known the Wright controversy would make the front pages, I probably wouldn't have brought up the church.  But hey, I tried.

    I do think the guy was a Democrat though.  He said something like, if it comes down to it, he supposes he'd have to vote to make Bill Clinton the First Lady.

    [ Parent ]

    I too think that's a fine idea. (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by derridog on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:41:18 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    That's a good one! (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by Lisa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:49:41 PM EST
    Never heard it put that way, but Bill Clinton as First Lady makes me smile. :-)

    [ Parent ]
    Well It Seems That Obama Is Doing (5.00 / 3) (#106)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:42:42 PM EST
    dedicated "Christian"  fliers like he did in S.C.

    In Kentucky, he is making a direct appeal to Evangelicals with flyers that mention his conversion experience and they highlight a big old cross. Remember Mike Huckabee's supposed subliminal cross in his Christmas campaign ad? Well, the Obama campaign ditches the subliminal and goes for the in your face cross. Look at the flyer here. CBN

    Not sure that this is a good idea since it just might bring Rev. Wright back into the news in KY. Oh, well.


    [ Parent ]

    OMG!! (5.00 / 2) (#165)
    by Josey on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:24:18 PM EST
    reminds me of those pics of Bush in front of a cross with a halo effect on his head.
    Wow!  
    Obama is so much like Bush - empty suit and all.

    [ Parent ]
    This is shameful (5.00 / 3) (#181)
    by angie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:38:15 PM EST
    And it isn't the first time he has done this -- he did it in SC (of course, you would not know it from the coverage) and that is really when I knew I could never support him. Although a Christian myself, I am an ultra-strong supporter of the separation of church & state. The overt religious appeal is what turns me off of the GOP. I was outraged with Huckabee's "Christmas message" and I am just as outraged with Obama's pandering as well.  I honestly cannot see how any Dem can support him when he pulls this kind of bs (although I couldn't see how any Dem could support him when he toured SC with McClurkin either, so there ya go).

    [ Parent ]
    I was handed on in Texas... (none / 0) (#197)
    by znosaro on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:25:46 PM EST
    while I was campaigning there.  Shows what he thinks of voters in certain states.  "I'll vote for that man because he loves the Jesus!"

    [ Parent ]
    Wow. Did you read the comments? (none / 0) (#171)
    by nycstray on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:29:06 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Yes. I liked the one who said (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by LHinSeattle on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:51:42 PM EST
     that he tended to distrust people who kept putting "God" into their conversations; they were up to something.

    [ Parent ]
    These people (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:15:13 PM EST
    voted for Bush in 2004, a majority of them anyway, but I sure didn't see the concern about their education level or anything back then did you?

    [ Parent ]
    Fortunately (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:32:30 PM EST
    Many working class Americans do not have cable; it's too expensive, so they have not been exposed to the 24/7 chatter of the pro-Obama talking heads who hold themselves out as "objective", i.e., journalists.  

    [ Parent ]
    Oh, I don't know about that (5.00 / 4) (#89)
    by dissenter on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:33:55 PM EST
    I think they are just sending them a big F You.

    [ Parent ]
    Jon Stewart. (none / 0) (#12)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:10:11 PM EST
    He was making fun of WV voters last night.

    What a class act.

    [ Parent ]

    ugh (5.00 / 4) (#74)
    by moll on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:26:29 PM EST
    He was making fun of WV voters last night.

    I adored Jon Stewart til this election. When I saw him making fun of a construction worker, it was like something hit me in the gut. Like I just realized, I am not supposed to be in his audience :(


    [ Parent ]

    Heh (5.00 / 3) (#80)
    by Steve M on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:28:49 PM EST
    I don't expect the Daily Show to be respectful of anyone or anything.

    But if they were true to their mission, what they'd be ridiculing is the media's depiction of WV voters as hopeless rubes, rather than taking the easy shot at the voters.

    Reality is, they're still a commercial enterprise, and their audience is obviously pro-Obama in a big way.  So they succumb to pandering like everyone else.

    [ Parent ]

    Exactamente (5.00 / 8) (#96)
    by Dr Molly on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:37:47 PM EST
    I REALLY REALLY don't like this kind of stereotyping and demeaning of rural people. Everything is topsy-turvy - I thought liberals were supposed to be the champions of the poor and the working class? All the Obama people seem to be contemptuous of them now, calling them bubbas and rednecks, etc. It's weird.

    [ Parent ]
    Me too, I was a starry eyed liberal not long ago (5.00 / 7) (#108)
    by Lisa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:45:39 PM EST
    I thought we were sticking up for the underdog.  I thought we were all about equality for all, genuine equality.  Appreciating everyone's gifts that come in many wondrous varieties, and all that.

    That's why I recently left the party/went independent.  I don't recognize it anymore.

    I am wondering, was it this way all along, and this horrible election just opened my eyes?  Or has it slowly become this way.

    [ Parent ]

    Same here (5.00 / 5) (#118)
    by Dr Molly on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:50:56 PM EST
    I also left the party - just doesn't stand for my principles anymore, it's no longer progressive. Or, more accurately, it's progressive sometimes, like when it's convenient to be.

    And I wonder the same as you - was I blind before?

    I've also realized during all of this that there is a lot of extremism on the left just as on the right. I'm not OK with that.

    [ Parent ]

    Right, Dr. M (5.00 / 2) (#132)
    by Lisa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:59:03 PM EST
    Same thoughts I've been having - the far right and far left are both flip sides of the same coin.  

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, that's what gave us Fascism and Communism, (5.00 / 2) (#162)
    by feet on earth on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:23:08 PM EST
    with one common denominator = Dictatorship not distinguishable from one another

    [ Parent ]
    Well (5.00 / 3) (#111)
    by Steve M on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:46:32 PM EST
    I don't know how many of the folks who write jokes for the Daily Show happen to hail from the heartland.  I'd be curious to know.

    As a Midwesterner now living in NYC, I find the folks around here aren't necessarily the most open-minded when it comes to the people living out in the sticks.  It's a shame, one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world, and no one seems to know the difference between Michigan and Minnesota.

    [ Parent ]

    Yeah (5.00 / 2) (#120)
    by Dr Molly on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:52:50 PM EST
    I've realized that there are closed-minded, provincial people in the sticks and there are closed-minded, provincial people in the cities.


    [ Parent ]
    We don't have a reputation for being nice (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by andgarden on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:53:05 PM EST
    we east coast elites keep losing elections, though. . .

    [ Parent ]
    The coastal elites... (5.00 / 2) (#190)
    by AX10 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:57:07 PM EST
    deserve to lose.  The way they treat the working class is horrible.  

    [ Parent ]
    One of my greatest pleasures ... (5.00 / 4) (#124)
    by Robot Porter on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:55:39 PM EST
    in this campaign has been watching progressive Clinton supporters finally seeing these supposed "progressive icons" like John Stewart for who they really are.

    I consider myself a person of the left, or a progressive.  But I've never been a particular fan of the progressive blogs, Olbermann and MSNBC, much of Air America, or John Stewart.

    In this race, most of these people have shown their true colors, and I no longer need to make the argument about why I think they're not "on our side."

    [ Parent ]

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by Dr Molly on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:57:38 PM EST
    my question is who IS on our side?

    [ Parent ]
    McCain? (none / 0) (#142)
    by diplomatic on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:04:11 PM EST
    smirk

    [ Parent ]
    That's (none / 0) (#233)
    by cal1942 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:39:37 AM EST
    part of the support he's getting from some quarters of the Democratic "leadership" and especially from a large segment of his supporters.  Contempt for working people and rural people.

    For several posts on this subject try:

    www.anglachelg.blogspot.com.

    Some significant portion of the Obama crowd and it would appear some of the Democratic "leadership" want to dump workers from the party's coalition.

    If that's the case, the Democratic party would become something like a modern day version of the old Whig party.  Arrogant, elitist losers.

    [ Parent ]

    I stopped watching the daily show (5.00 / 2) (#123)
    by Josmt on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:54:01 PM EST
    about a month ago, I used to love the show, but now it has become so unwatchable... I still watch the Colbert report but I might give that up as well.

    [ Parent ]
    Which means that Stewart is just... (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by AX10 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:53:07 PM EST
    another hack.  Colbert is just plain stupid.

    I am young but I do not have much in common with these two morons.

    [ Parent ]

    I just dug deep (5.00 / 13) (#9)
    by eleanora on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:09:53 PM EST
    and donated another $100 to Hillary. I refuse to give up, as long as she's still running then I'm standing behind her. And I'm going to go make phone calls to KY right now. This is not over.

    Wow (5.00 / 6) (#71)
    by Dr Molly on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:25:49 PM EST
    You guys are inspiring - eleanora, kathy, madamab, stellaa - really impressive.

    I've given up on Hillary winning the nom - it's all been decided by the deciders apparently. But I do love to see the voters continue to push back against the media bullying, the Obama club bullying, the overall contempt shown for their intelligence. So, I've got my fingers crossed for a very strong Hillary vote in KY!

    [ Parent ]

    LOL (5.00 / 2) (#175)
    by eleanora on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:31:03 PM EST
    I stormed off all self-righteous and then realized Kentucky is EST! So calling them at 10pm might be counter-productive. But I cleared my schedule and will phonebank tomorrow. Hang in there--even if we can't win, at least we'll make them bring their lunch and stay all day :)

    [ Parent ]
    Sorry in advance (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by magisterludi on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:09:54 PM EST
    for OT-but Denny Crain is being considered by the RNC to run against McCain on Boston Legal.

    Kinda like Obama and the DNC!

    Who does Obama have standing by to (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:11:12 PM EST
    endorse him the day after Hillary Clinton swamps him in KY?  Jimmy Carter, maybe?  

    Gandhi (5.00 / 9) (#20)
    by Kathy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:12:05 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Mahatma or Indira? (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:13:27 PM EST
    or both?

    [ Parent ]
    No girls allowed! Mahatma! (5.00 / 5) (#26)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:14:20 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Both--Petal Gandhi (none / 0) (#30)
    by Kathy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:15:15 PM EST
    their love child, persuaded them to go to the light that is O.

    [ Parent ]
    You are doing a great job of (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:16:00 PM EST
    cheering me up!

    [ Parent ]
    I live to serve, my friend! (5.00 / 11) (#56)
    by Kathy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:21:27 PM EST
    Hey, y'all, I skimmed some of the sad sacking about Edwards.  Who knows what happened there (and I don't think that theirs is the marriage where he'd do something without Elizabeth saying okay, but that's another discussion done been had, as my pappy said)  

    Lookit: nothing has changed except the media found a new bone to chew on.  They have pronounced Clinton DOA so many times she should have just passed the morgue and gone directly to the grave, BUT SHE DID NOT.  People still keep voting for her, people still believe in her.  They are giving money and time and blood, sweat and tears.

    Considering what the last eight years have been like, how awful things have been, how we've been lied to, how we have been bullied and denigrated, it feels dang good to me to be fighting for a dem again and railing on about dem values.  This election would not mean so much but for the fact that we are all fighting for this together.  I don't care what Edwards or Carter or Gore or precious little Petal Gandhi says: the voters are speaking louder than any of them, the media included, and I am still standing right behind our girl.  RISE, HILLARY, RISE!!!

    [ Parent ]

    If Obama were lucky enough to have (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:25:04 PM EST
    you on his team, he would have the nomination.

    [ Parent ]
    Feh (5.00 / 8) (#79)
    by Kathy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:28:27 PM EST
    Kerry couldn't get me jazzed; I doubt Obama could.  I am doing this all for Hillary.  I think a lot of women are.  It's crossed the line now, and we see so much of our own struggles being embodied by her.  (And, of course I mean "women" as in the smart ones; you know, those elderly, low info voters)

    [ Parent ]
    Ditto (5.00 / 8) (#85)
    by LeftyFan on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:32:55 PM EST
    I am doing this all for Hillary.  I think a lot of women are.

    Men too!

    [ Parent ]

    Lot of Alpha Males for Hillary (5.00 / 4) (#114)
    by catfish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:49:46 PM EST
    I've loved meeting the passionate men committed to Hillary, knew more about what she did for women's rights than most. Just regular men.

    [ Parent ]
    My 84 year old dad is a Hillary supporter (5.00 / 5) (#167)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:27:14 PM EST
    ...he has been since she declared her intent to run.

    He's always been my hero.

    [ Parent ]

    Masculine women too! (5.00 / 3) (#122)
    by sarahfdavis on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:53:12 PM EST
    And femenine men! I'm in SF and the homos and dykes
    prefer hillary overwhelmingly. (p.s. I can use a slur against
    myself...y'all know how that works.)

    [ Parent ]
    Both my mother and aunt ... (5.00 / 7) (#110)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:46:22 PM EST
    ... are supporting Hillary Clinton primarily because they want to see a woman as president in their own lifetime. Speaking for myself, gender doesn't enter into my own equation. I support Sen. Clinton simply because she's by far and away the best person for the job, period. I just sent her campaign another contribution tonight.

    [ Parent ]
    One thing we didn't see enough of (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by mg7505 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:04:01 PM EST
    in this election was gender-based humor. I don't mean nasty sexism (saw too much of that). I'm talking about the folks with clever slogans like "Hillary, period!" That was part of what excited me about her campaign early on -- that and Hillary is f*ing awesome.

    [ Parent ]
    when Jon Stewart was still funny, (none / 0) (#204)
    by ghost2 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:56:13 PM EST
    he had one of these jokes.  He made fun of Hillary's slogan, "let the conversation begin", and implied that it'd scare men to no end.  Then he says, "What's your Iraq policy? America, let's pull over and ask for directions?"

    [ Parent ]
    Don't Leave Out (5.00 / 1) (#237)
    by cal1942 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 02:51:49 AM EST
    the fact that many men, a growing number, also support Hillary and with great enthusiasm.

    Support her for the only legitimate reason to support a Presidential candidate.  Because we believe she'll be a fine President. A fighting President. A Democratic President.

    [ Parent ]

    Now you're thinking like Obama... (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:12:35 PM EST
    just throw enough "important" people at the media and the voters will finally admit His Greatness!

    [ Parent ]
    Jesus, no doubt. (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by derridog on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:14:31 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Is he a superdelegate? (none / 0) (#116)
    by catfish on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:50:35 PM EST
    He'll have little more sway than Edwards IMO.

    [ Parent ]
    Nope. Donna Brazile (5.00 / 3) (#179)
    by Cream City on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:37:46 PM EST
    is questioning Jesus' credentials.  Meaning, of course, she already has her messiah -- and he's bored and tired and wants it to be ooooooover.

    [ Parent ]
    Donna's Messiah? Bored? (5.00 / 1) (#216)
    by felizarte on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:15:36 AM EST
    Does he want to rush the crucifixion too?

    [ Parent ]
    Well, since they couldn't verify ... (5.00 / 1) (#218)
    by cymro on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:26:39 AM EST
    ... his home address, what do you expect?

    [ Parent ]
    Jesus is a Clinton supporter. (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by soccermom on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:39:36 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I was wondering the same thing (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by ruffian on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:17:38 PM EST
    who will be the weapon of mass distraction?

    [ Parent ]
    Well Today (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by talex on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:29:32 PM EST
    he got endorsed by three former SEC Chairman. Can't say those are glowing endorsements given the fraud that has gone on in the stock market.

    And then to make matters worse one of them was a George Bush appointee.

    When the stock market endorses you it isn't because you don't support big business.

    [ Parent ]

    Well (none / 0) (#93)
    by Steve M on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:36:41 PM EST
    Arthur Levitt was an extremely pro-investor chairman.  That's an endorsement I would value as a progressive.

    [ Parent ]
    As another (none / 0) (#95)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:37:39 PM EST
    poster has said:
    Both Obama and McCain will drive the country into a ditch. It's just a matter of whether you want to take A1A or Route 66?

    [ Parent ]
    Neal Kinnock. (none / 0) (#32)
    by MarkL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:15:24 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Gerry Adams (none / 0) (#38)
    by dissenter on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:16:38 PM EST
    to shore up the catholic vote

    [ Parent ]
    Has the Pope endorsed yet? (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by ruffian on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:20:49 PM EST
    Or has Obama got enough trouble with preachers?

    [ Parent ]
    Eric Rudolph? Well, that would be TN. (none / 0) (#41)
    by MarkL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:17:49 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    If Hillary wins big, I will have a (5.00 / 2) (