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Why Did John Edwards Endorse Obama Today? Thread V

Continuing on from Big Tent Democrat's post on John Edwards endorsement of Obama:

John Edwards has been on tv for two weeks saying there was no reason for him to endorse either candidate. What changed? In two words: West Virginia. In four words: West Virginina and Kentucky.

Here's John Edwards on Monday night, May 12, the night before West Virginia, telling Larry King why he hasn't endorsed:

LARRY KING: You have not endorsed, senator. Some might say as a major figure in the party at this point, don't you have a responsibility to endorse?

JOHN EDWARDS (D), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: No. I think that what I have a responsibility to do is make sure that the Democrats' message and our cause is heard and that we're united in the fall. You know, myself, Al Gore, I think there are some others who haven't spoken out yet about this nomination battle.

[More...]

I think we have two great candidates. I have such an extraordinarily high opinion of both of them. You watch sort of what's happened in the past, I think that some of the endorsements as opposed to helping unite have contributed to the divide. And what I don't want to do is contribute to the divide. I mean, we had a primary in North Carolina where I live. I live in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. I voted in that primary. So obviously, I made a choice in that vote. But at least for this moment, I think the reasonable thing for me to do is let voters make their decision.

KING: All right. How damaged, frankly, is your party based on the way this primary has gone and the hostility that has occurred between the two candidates?

EDWARDS: Well, my honest feeling about that is the longer it goes on and -- when I got out back at the end of January, beginning of February, one of the reasons I got out was I thought that my getting out would accelerate the choice of a nominee, would allow us to get prepared for the fall. Shows you how smart I am. It didn't work. It's going on and on and on.

And I think that the length of the primary is not helpful to us. I will say that if Senator Obama, who is certainly the front-runner right now, ends up being the nominee, I think the competition has been good for him. I think he's become stronger and tougher, more focused through the course of this campaign, more experienced in a tough national race.

So you know, there's sort of six of one, half dozen of the other. But I do think we're approaching the time and it's going to come naturally where this thing needs to come to an end and we need to start focusing on the fall.

KING: Are you saying, then, to Senator Clinton face the facts?

EDWARDS: No. The one thing I would never do is say to Senator Clinton, who's a strong candidate, and has as much experience in this as anybody around, what she needs to do. She doesn't need advice from me. She's run a strong campaign. I think she's actually as a candidate become stronger. The odds against her have become longer, unfortunately.

And I think she's in a very difficult place. But I do have to say just on a personal note, having been through this now twice, to get up and go out there every morning when everyone's saying it's over, you're not going to win, you need to get out, and face the media and face the public and continue to make your case.

I mean, this woman's made of steel. And she deserves an enormous amount of credit and admiration. I can tell you she has my personal admiration. But I think the reality is that we have a dynamic young strong candidate in Barack Obama who looks like he's going to be the nominee.

KING: What does your party do about Florida and Michigan? Now, you're going to address the convention in Denver.

EDWARDS: Yes, I expect to.

KING: Obviously, you deserve to. What do you think about Florida and Michigan?

EDWARDS: Well, I think we can't disenfranchise the voters in those two states, particularly in Florida after what happened in 2000. So I think the DNC is scheduled to deal with this later this month. I think they will find some fair middle ground resolution that allows the delegations from those two states to be seated. I suspect there will be some division that slightly favors Senator Clinton but doesn't have a great impact on the race.

....KING: Senator Edwards, would you run again for vice president if asked?

EDWARDS: No. I don't have any interest in it, no intention to do it. The cause of my life, Larry, is to do something about poverty in this country, and I'm going to pour my heart and soul into that. I knew you were going to ask me about this.

KING: All right. Hillary quoting an "A.P" story, questioned Obama, can he do well with white working-class voters. What do you make of that? And can he?

EDWARDS: He absolutely can. I mean, this is a good man who has shown throughout his life that he cares about equality, that he cares about everybody in this country having a chance. I mean, he himself came from nothing with a single mom to being able to do -- to being a nominee now, it looks like, for president of the United States.

And his life story itself exhibits what this country's about. And he absolutely -- the people that I grew up with in small town rural southern America who struggle and work hard every day trying to have a better life, they will connect with Barack Obama when they get to know him and they understand where his heart is.

Here's Edwards Sunday, May 11, on Face the Nation with Bob Schieffer:

SCHIEFFER: You sort of danced around the question when you were on some of the morning shows on Friday about whether or not you're ready to endorse anybody. I'm not going to try to keep on with this. Are you going to endorse anybody at this point?

Mr. EDWARDS: I might. I don't think it's a big deal, to be honest with you. I think voters are the ones who are speaking in this process. My feeling all along, in addition to what we talked about earlier and me getting out earlier, I hoped would accelerate us having an earlier nominee.

But my feeling is also that I think that my endorsement or anybody else's endorsement has not particularly helped with the divide. And I think that actually endorsements sometimes make the divide worse.

And what's important here is not me or who I'm for or who I'd vote for or who I support. What's important is that we get united as a party behind our nominee, that we're successful in November. Because the people that I care the most about, you know, the low-income families in this country, working families, people who are having a hard time, those men and women who are putting their lives on the line in Iraq, they're the ones that matter in this, not some particular candidate or some strategic position that somebody's taken.

Again, I don't think Edwards' endorsement has anything to do with who would make a better candidate. It's about ending the growing perception that Obama can't win against John McCain because he can't get rural, blue collar, less wealthy and less educated voters.

That perception was magnified yesterday with Hillary's win in West Virginia. There's concern it will grow when Hillary wins Kentucky. Since Edwards (and other Democrats) believe Obama will ultimately win the nomination, Edwards is trying to nip that line of thinking in the bud.

But, isn't this short-sighted? Shouldn't the focus of Democrats be on which Democratic candidate is better able to beat John McCain in November so we can take back the White House rather than on something as amorphous as which one stands for "change" and has "a new vision?"

And I'm still struck by the fact that Edwards gave no reason other than enthusiasm for choosing Obama and made no reference to McCain. Party unity is one thing and it could have waited three weeks. Winning is important too.

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    Deal or No Deal (5.00 / 12) (#2)
    by Athena on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:53:16 PM EST
    He was offered a deal to jump now and mask the WV loss.  He took it.  But the endorsement was tepid and unimpressive.

    And the absence of Elizabeth was the biggest endorsement in the room - for Hillary.

    Absence of Elizabeth! (1.00 / 4) (#151)
    by uncledad on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:41:18 PM EST
    Because Elizabeth was not there with her husband means she endorses Hillary? Ahh that good old Clinton triangulation is alive and well!

    [ Parent ]
    Clinton ain't the one triangulating here (5.00 / 2) (#167)
    by moll on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:46:53 PM EST
    Because Elizabeth was not there with her husband means she endorses Hillary? Ahh that good old Clinton triangulation is alive and well!

    Well, given how clear she is about her feelings on health care, it does sort of give the impression that Edwards sold his wife up a creek.

    That is a narrative Edwards needs to watch out for. First he continued campaigning amidst rumors that his wife had cancer. Then there was that interchange with him sounding reluctant to agree with his wife over whether Hillary's run for President is as historic as Obama's.

    I don't know the man and I don't know what really goes on, but the narrative there is a problem. He should have brought his wife with him and forced her to look enthusiastic.

    [ Parent ]

    "Forced" her? (none / 0) (#183)
    by kmblue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:51:13 PM EST
    Good luck with that.  LOL!
    I've met Elizabeth.
    Don't think she'd take kindly to that.
    I've met John too.  I don't think he'd even try it.

    [ Parent ]
    Edwards said last week (5.00 / 3) (#194)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:55:03 PM EST
    they did not vote for the same person.  

    But alas, Jessie Jackson the elder, supports Obama and his wife supports Hillary.  Priceless.

    [ Parent ]

    Yes, since they already said (none / 0) (#222)
    by Cream City on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:05:28 PM EST
    that they voted for different candidates.

    Of course, it could be that he voted for Clinton, and said only hours before that he would not endorse, but today got an offer from Obama that he couldn't refuse.  That is the Chicago Way.

    [ Parent ]

    There must be a mass grave somewhere (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by blogtopus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:54:44 PM EST
    That Obama knows about; I can't see any other reason for all the unreasonable endorsements coming his way. These people just don't seem to be able to read his policies, or are being willfully ignorant.

    Therefore, Obama must have the keys to the closet, and is threatening to open it and let ALL the skeletons pile out. THAT's the Chicago way.

    He found Hoffa? (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by kredwyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:15:30 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Maybe, just maybe (none / 0) (#180)
    by cannondaddy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:50:12 PM EST
    they aren't as unreasonable as you think they are?

    [ Parent ]
    Well, this is his stated reason: (5.00 / 15) (#9)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:56:06 PM EST
    The Democratic voters in America have made their choice, and so have I,' Edwards tells a rally in Michigan.

    But all the Democratic voters in America haven't actually made there choice yet.  

    And that is a hillarious thing to say (5.00 / 14) (#36)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:06:19 PM EST
    in Michigan.  Is he going to fly off to Florida for the same speech?

    [ Parent ]
    Actually I do think Obama is coming (none / 0) (#204)
    by ruffian on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:58:34 PM EST
    here to FL this weekend for fundraisers.  Maybe Edwards is coming with him.

    [ Parent ]
    no... (1.00 / 5) (#95)
    by CanadianDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:22:33 PM EST
    ...but the majority have...even with extrapolating, the majority have reached the decision.

    Do you live  in a democracy?

    [ Parent ]

    Extrapolation for elections (5.00 / 2) (#103)
    by Marvin42 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:25:23 PM EST
    Cool, so can we just have 10% vote then we'll decide the rest? Get real.

    [ Parent ]
    LOL (1.00 / 5) (#122)
    by CanadianDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:31:31 PM EST
    your numbers are fantasy land.  And your rebuttal is weak and lacking facts.  Therefore, it is at best equal to my original post, at worst sour grapes.

    Do take care.

    [ Parent ]

    Troll Alert (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by Marvin42 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:37:15 PM EST
    Map to bridge forthcoming.

    [ Parent ]
    Well (none / 0) (#227)
    by kaleidescope on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:08:07 PM EST
    That's pretty much what happened in 2004.  Iowa and New Hampshire got to vote and the primary election was, basically, over.  Here in California none of our primary votes mattered at all.  

    To take your notion to its logical conclusion, Edwards was a fool to endorse Obama because, the totality of Democratic voters not having yet voted, Edwards could still be the nominee.

    And the same goes for Kucinich.

    When a candidate gets out is totally up to the candidate and I agree that HRC staying in the race has helped Obama's chances in November more than they have hurt him.

    Personally, I'm impatient for Democrats to start blasting away at John McCain (though not all Republican voters having voted yet, perhaps we should hold our fire in case Ron Paul is the nominee).  Blasting McCain will be fun; watching Democrats snipe at each other not so much.

    But, oh well, all the voting will be over in a little more than two weeks and at my age two weeks flies by so fast, who cares if both candidates stay in until then.

    [ Parent ]

    obama better win KY if he's so hot (5.00 / 3) (#149)
    by moll on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:39:42 PM EST
    ...but the majority have...even with extrapolating, the majority have reached the decision.

    Do you live  in a democracy?

    Well, I thought I did, but apparently the party is afraid to let the voting play out, and they are trying to manipulate the outcome of the remaining races.

    I mean even more than already.

    Cuz it looks like Hillary might come out with the popular vote, and then the superdelegates would be obliged to make the final call.

    And someone really, really doesn't want that.

    I wonder why? Aren't all the superdelegates in agreement with the DNC on who the candidate should be? Or do they just not want to be on record?

    [ Parent ]

    Well, have you seen his latest efforts (5.00 / 1) (#211)
    by derridog on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:01:18 PM EST
    to win in Ky?

    Unfortunately, I can't reproduce the image of Obama in front of a great big golden cross, but you can read this article and then go to the link:

    From http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/375071.aspx
    May 14, 2008

    I have been telling Brody File readers for months that if Barack Obama becomes the Democratic nominee he will make a pitch to win over independent/moderate Evangelicals. Well, we now have evidence.

    Look at the flyer below:

    In Kentucky, he is making a direct appeal to Evangelicals with flyers that mention his conversion experience and they highlight a big old cross. Remember Mike Huckabee's supposed subliminal cross in his Christmas campaign ad? Well, the Obama campaign ditches the subliminal and goes for the in your face cross. Look at the flyer here.

    The Obama campaign has consistently believed that their candidate can compete for the "religious vote". A lot has been made about how Obama hasn't done as well with Catholics compared to Clinton. But let's remember one thing: Obama has a story to tell about how Jesus came into his life. You can bet we will be hearing more details about it on the stump in the fall. (if Obama is the nominee)

    Meanwhile, John McCain won't be partaking in the "Evangelical speak" or handing out these types of flyers in the south which makes you wonder if Huckabee could help McCain shore up the Evangelical base and at the same time play to the Independent middle with his populist streak.

    I know the conservative policy purists will say that Obama is liberal and therefore Evangelicals won't buy his "Evangelical speak". Not so fast. Remember, many people vote based on an emotional connection to a candidate or if they can relate to that person. Obama may need to work on this perception that he is "elite" but when he talks about Jesus and the Bible and the fact that he's a sinner, it makes him more real and in the process, more electable too.


    [ Parent ]

    i think they have but no one in the creative (none / 0) (#172)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:48:07 PM EST
    class or media is listening. but they will!

    [ Parent ]
    I can't even speculate anymore.... (5.00 / 14) (#15)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:58:23 PM EST
    ...these folks just don't think like I do. Who knows why they do what they do. There's a huge disconnect between the people supposedly leading the democratic party and at least half of the voters.

    It isn't a perception (5.00 / 10) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:01:04 PM EST
    that Obama does poorly with working class whites, it is a fact. And the fear that people will realize this is what? That the SD's will bolt from Obama? Papering over his problems makes no sense to me and Obama certainly doesn't have a clue as to how to solve them. Sending John Edwards out is really just cowardly. He's afraid to meet these voters himself?

    Heh. (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by lansing quaker on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:06:29 PM EST
    John Edwards gave his speech in Michigan.

    Of course Obama's afraid to rally there.

    [ Parent ]

    no secret why he does poorly with blue collars (5.00 / 4) (#112)
    by moll on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:28:11 PM EST
    John Edwards gave his speech in Michigan.

    Of course Obama's afraid to rally there.

    Isn't Michigan where Obama called that reporter "sweetie" instead of just answering her question?

    [ Parent ]

    There Were Only 200 People At TheRally... (5.00 / 7) (#117)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:29:57 PM EST
    what happened to his swooning fans?

    [ Parent ]
    Lou Dobbs and Bill (5.00 / 6) (#125)
    by zfran on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:32:34 PM EST
    Schneider both remarked that he was in Michigan but the people at the event were not from Michigan.

    [ Parent ]
    Where (5.00 / 2) (#132)
    by Emma on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:34:58 PM EST
    were they from?

    [ Parent ]
    They brought them in (5.00 / 4) (#144)
    by zfran on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:38:11 PM EST
    from somewhere..when you think about it, it makes sense because the speech he gave yesterday, the crowd looked bored.

    [ Parent ]
    Prolly Chicago. (5.00 / 2) (#150)
    by masslib on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:40:19 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Really? (5.00 / 4) (#147)
    by Shainzona on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:39:15 PM EST
    That's a piece of news that should get out there....after all, he buses in 800 people for each caucus from state to state...maybe he couldn't get those people to participate.

    [ Parent ]
    yes (1.00 / 5) (#135)
    by CanadianDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:35:27 PM EST
    exactly, the angel Edwards who was once held so high in these circles endorses Obama, and you point out the crowd size.....this place is beyond redemption, and please...continue to delude yourselves.  You're a blog, in a minority, who thinks beyond their britches.  And of course this is by no fault of Big Tent Divisiveness himself, follow your leader. ---end snark

    [ Parent ]
    Attacking Talk Left (5.00 / 4) (#160)
    by eleanora on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:44:21 PM EST
    really isn't helpful if your goal is to get us to support Senator Obama. Even if you don't like what we say, this place has been a safe haven for Clinton supporters and the undecided and Obama supporters who don't hate either group. People are upset right now, but perhaps you could respond to posters on their points rather than attacking TL or the mods here.

    [ Parent ]
    the door is open! i know there (5.00 / 2) (#181)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:50:57 PM EST
    are many places that might be more agreeable. but i have to say it is more representative here of the core democrative voter. i if were, i'd want to know instead of complain. but that's your choice.

    [ Parent ]
    Hmm (none / 0) (#158)
    by Steve M on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:42:28 PM EST
    That doesn't sound right to me.  The rally was at a hockey arena that seats about 10,000 people.  The local media is describing it as a packed house.

    [ Parent ]
    Did you see the photo of a NC (5.00 / 0) (#192)
    by Shainzona on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:53:51 PM EST
    rally in a field house?  They had closed off 1/3 of the arena and put people in there...and even then, it wasn't full.  Camera angles, baby!!!

    [ Parent ]
    Heh (none / 0) (#213)
    by Steve M on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:01:40 PM EST
    Well, maybe the local media in Grand Rapids is in the tank for Obama, but they called it a packed house.

    [ Parent ]
    Grand Rapids, the home of Gerald (none / 0) (#218)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:03:24 PM EST
    Ford and the Dutch Reformed Church?  Doubt it.

    [ Parent ]
    Steve M. 200 Was The Only Number I Saw (none / 0) (#205)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:59:20 PM EST
    in the piece I quoted from and it was at a community college.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080514/ap_on_el_pr/obama_edwards

    [ Parent ]

    So when he wins... (none / 0) (#216)
    by mike in dc on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:02:45 PM EST
    ...Oregon(which has a more working class white population than Ohio) by 20+ next week, there will be ruminations here about how he made such a spectacular comeback among working class whites?

    Obama doesn't have a "working class white" problem nearly as much as he has an "Appalachian" problem.  Most of the areas on the national map where Clinton won with 65+% happen to be in the Appalachian region.

    [ Parent ]

    Party Politics. (5.00 / 7) (#25)
    by lansing quaker on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:01:24 PM EST
    IMO, the DNC is desperate to have this end and have a presumptive nominee.  They're still clutching a basket full of eggs hoping that the party will not fracture.

    I'm sure the pressure from above was heavy on Edwards to boost the current meme: pledged delegates + most states.

    C'est la vie.  I think it will mean jack all come the GE, but it's just another top-down move to force Hillary out.

    what the Obama party? (5.00 / 4) (#113)
    by moll on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:29:03 PM EST
    They're still clutching a basket full of eggs hoping that the party will not fracture.

    do people really not get that it is too late for that?

    [ Parent ]

    Your post points out (5.00 / 7) (#26)
    by Coldblue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:01:30 PM EST
    one of the reasons why Edwards never won; he isn't believable.

    Ding ding ding (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by MarkL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:05:39 PM EST
    That was my problem with him.

    [ Parent ]
    Going to cross-post since I just beat the cutoff. (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by lansing quaker on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:07:59 PM EST
    I'd rather not mock John Edwards.  He and Elizabeth are great Americans and sent a positive and important message on the stump.
    As an advocate for Hillary am I disappointed?  Yes.

    Am I angry or "bitter"?  Nah.

    It reeks of political calculation, and I doubt that his endorsement will do much in the upcoming Primaries and mean much less come the General Election.  Lots of other high profile, popular elected officials have already endorsed Obama.  And?

    It will change the media narrative in the short term, but Hillary has never been one to win on media narratives.  And in the GE, the endorsement will mean jack all because it's an endorsement from a Democrat to a Democrat.

    Again: I'm disappointed with Edwards.  But I will not insult him or Elizabeth for this.  If anything, it's party machinations behind this.

    And this is why I re-registered as a big ol' (I) instead of a D.

    Because "I" will vote in November, and "I" will not vote for Obama.

    But I still think John and Elizabeth Edwards are great Americans.


    [ Parent ]

    I like John Edwards too (5.00 / 3) (#50)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:11:33 PM EST
    and I'm not criticizing him here.

    Commenters don't speak for TalkLeft and if I see personal attacks on the Edwards, they will be deleted.

    Criticize his decision today , fine. Don't trash him as a person or a former candidate.

    [ Parent ]

    you reap (1.00 / 1) (#102)
    by CanadianDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:25:03 PM EST
    what you sow J.

    Look at the flip-flop happening here.  The lauding of his integrity and fundamental values cast aside in an instant when he doesn't choose the 'right' endorsement.

    This place has gone around the bend, even for a Canadian.

    [ Parent ]

    I dunno (5.00 / 5) (#127)
    by moll on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:33:21 PM EST
    Look at the flip-flop happening here.  The lauding of his integrity and fundamental values cast aside in an instant when he doesn't choose the 'right' endorsement.

    I thought poverty was Edwards' pet issue. Obama isn't offering much on poverty, at least not from what I read in the business magazines.

    I thought Edwards cared about universal health care.

    What I have read about Obama's position just don't match up with the perceptions I had about what I thought Edwards stood for.

    [ Parent ]

    yes (1.00 / 2) (#143)
    by CanadianDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:37:32 PM EST
    impugn the man, ignore your own historical support, it is of course Edwards fault and so many others now, isn't it?

    [ Parent ]
    please stop being so self righteous. (5.00 / 5) (#191)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:53:41 PM EST
    add something to the discussion besides your distain for everyone's views.

    [ Parent ]
    I don't understand why my asking that upsets you (5.00 / 4) (#200)
    by moll on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:56:52 PM EST
    impugn the man, ignore your own historical support, it is of course Edwards fault and so many others now, isn't it?

    Is it too much to ask that our politicians say what they believe in and stand for, and that they stay constant to that?

    Did Edwards talk about "two Americas", and make poverty his centerpiece?

    Because I don't get why you are saying I impugn him. Am I supposed to follow blindly no matter how positions change? I don't know if his position changed. Maybe I just never really understood what his position was. I certainly don't understand what his position is now.

    If Edwards cares deeply about poverty, then why is he moving against the one with stronger positions on issues relating to poverty?

    Or am I not allowed to ask that? And if not - why not?

    [ Parent ]

    You don't have a dog in this race (5.00 / 3) (#207)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:00:21 PM EST
    so, are you just here to stir things up?

    Edwards said he wouldn't endorse on numerous occasions. Then, when he changed his mind, he did so with barely an hour's notice, in Michigan where he, too, was playing the same political game with the voters that Obama did, and in the wake of a fantastic win on Hillary's part.

    People are understandably confused and a bit irritated by this.

    Got it?

    [ Parent ]

    So glad you live in Canada. (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by Shainzona on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:55:23 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    You live in a country ... (5.00 / 1) (#241)
    by Inky on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:22:36 AM EST
    that has already achieved universal health care. So perhaps you don't understand the betrayal that some of us feel when a candidate who proposed a plan for UHC backs the candidate who hasn't rather than the candidate who fought valiantly for the same plan.

    I still respect Edwards, and his wife even more so. And I think he honestly believes this endorsement is the best way to push his anti-poverty agenda. I just wish he had listened to his wife more on this decision, just as I wish he had listened to his wife when it came to his decision to authorize the use of military force in Iraq.

    [ Parent ]

    He's a great guy, but he's just not (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by MarkL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:12:14 PM EST
    convincing. I'm not mocking him. I had wished that I could be more supportive of him, since so many of his programs were agreeable to me.
    He just comes across to me as extremely calculating and insincere. For instance, when he mimicked Obama in one of the debates, with a line like "we're the change candidates", I thought it was pathetic, contrived and unbelievable.

    [ Parent ]
    I believed everything he said (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:14:42 PM EST
    about Hillary!

    [ Parent ]
    Funny, cause the straight out lies (5.00 / 3) (#92)
    by MarkL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:22:00 PM EST
    he told about Hillary were another of the reasons I couldn't support him. He wasn't even smart enough to lie subtly, IMO---he just told whoppers.

    [ Parent ]
    Didn't He Do His Part On Piling On HIllary (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:33:28 PM EST
    along with obama when he was still in the race?  He said he wasn't going to endorse, then he told someone else, he might.  And he said he wouldn't run as VP....any bettors out there?

    [ Parent ]
    Not me n/t (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Coldblue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:38:38 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    You Are A Smart One, You Are... (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:50:04 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    might go attny general n/t (none / 0) (#203)
    by moll on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:58:17 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    bjorn (none / 0) (#189)
    by The Realist on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:53:11 PM EST
    I have an update for you here on the DNC Donna Brazile thing.

    http://therealistblogs.blogspot.com/2008/05/donna-brazileobjected-to-proposal-to.html

    [ Parent ]

    does brazile not understand that (5.00 / 2) (#195)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:55:10 PM EST
    every time she opens her mouth, she pounds one more nail into the demise of obama's campaign.

    [ Parent ]
    I love John and Elizabeth too, (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by eleanora on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:20:24 PM EST
    but this is kind of heartbreaking.

    [ Parent ]
    He got the call from the also rans (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by BarnBabe on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:02:05 PM EST
    And lost. Any of them, Dean, Kerry, Kennedy. Yeah, any of them could have helped him too. Dean with the DNC who should have been out there moderating the media and calling unfairness where it was for Edwards and Hillary. he was silent. Kerry didn't even endorse Edwards. I am speculating of course, but if they said Elizabeth was not happy about this, I would have to think it was because he was put on the spot and encouraged to do it now. If Elizabeth was excited and was in Michigan too, that would make sense. But as was said, he did not even give a reason to endorse Obama. Very weak indeed, but it changes the limelight today. The people really DO not have much of a say anymore. Until November at least.

    Does (5.00 / 4) (#66)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:15:05 PM EST
    it concern anyone else that Obama is being pushed by the party losers? I mean really all of these people have lost election after election. Obama seems to be running the same kind of election. I wonder when he'll implode like they did? If he gets the nomination, on the way to the general election.

    [ Parent ]
    When he started his campaign I could (5.00 / 4) (#79)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:18:36 PM EST
    see a lot of the appeal. He was not like Gore and Kerry, in that he was very charismatic...but that has seemed to go away.  I am not sure what happened...was that the real Obama or did have a few good notes and he already hit them all.  He has grown weaker instead of stronger, imo.

    [ Parent ]
    That was the real Obama... (5.00 / 13) (#109)
    by p lukasiak on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:27:35 PM EST
    on a good day.  But he's used to good days, and doesn't know how to handle bad days -- so they are both the real Obama.  

    The problem, of course, is that the challenges facing this nation mean lots and lots and lots of bad days for a President.... and Obama isn't ready for that.

    Personally, the fact that Clinton hasn't flipped out by now -- the fact that she's still focussed on doing what's best for this nation -- well, I don't know how she does it, but I wnat it in the Oval Office.

    [ Parent ]

    For iago... (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by kredwyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:02:27 PM EST
    from the last thread.

    Since I'm not psychic...nor do I have any knowledge of the campaign's discussions, I don't know what that path is.

    Trust me, tossing the numbers at me sure isn't going to help.

    I still think it's odd (5.00 / 11) (#37)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:06:28 PM EST
    that Obama the presumptive winner is flailing with trying to patch together a theme of his policies.  Ironic how the poor, uneducated and maligned voters are finally making him do the work he should have done.  And what does Edwards do?  Tell everyone to not worry the guy is ok.  Huh?  

    Obama stated recently that, as opposed to (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:11:11 PM EST
    Hillary Clinton's secretive methodology on health care, he will invite everyone, including the drug companies, amd it will all be on C-Span.

    [ Parent ]
    Oh, yes... (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:13:22 PM EST
    is he bringing the regulation issued community organizer butcher paper.  

    [ Parent ]
    Oh, just thought of this. Maybe he (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:14:30 PM EST
    is releasing good news to counter act pending Rezko jury verdict?

    [ Parent ]
    Man...busted (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:16:50 PM EST
    I have been burning entrails, lighting candles and praising all the deities, but then I saw that the jury was practically all women.  

    [ Parent ]
    What's their age? (none / 0) (#108)
    by waldenpond on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:27:32 PM EST
    Obama demographic?

    [ Parent ]
    did not say (none / 0) (#159)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:43:31 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    oops (none / 0) (#175)
    by waldenpond on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:49:30 PM EST
    I left off the snark but I'm blaming you, you should know me by now. :)

    [ Parent ]
    I do not presume.!!! (4.00 / 1) (#185)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:52:06 PM EST
    ha..ha (snarkola)

    [ Parent ]
    C-Span The Most Viewed Network On TV?? n/t (none / 0) (#83)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:19:58 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    So, It Seems The Poor, Uneducated, (5.00 / 3) (#133)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:35:00 PM EST
    maligned voters are smarter than obama and edwards put together.

    [ Parent ]
    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:45:19 PM EST
    the demanded something more, so Obama was throwing the kitchen sink of policies.  Auto makers, green jobs, farmers...the list is endless.   Whereas, like Edwards, the urban folks, the educated and the creative class, they just, well, sort of liked the guy and he was cool.  

    [ Parent ]
    Oh, and the part about, don't give a (5.00 / 2) (#170)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:47:23 PM EST
    tax break to companies shipping jobs out of the U.S.; let us give that tax break to companies creating jobs here.  Stay tuned.

    [ Parent ]
    i was seating in a restaurant awhile (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:58:10 PM EST
    ago in the part of town where the creative class might more like reside. i heard a woman at the next table say "poor white trash" with such distain. i looked up and thought yup bitter about the election.

    [ Parent ]
    why? (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by DFLer on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:06:58 PM EST
    In the the last thread, the Realist said soemthing about this being a direct slap in the face of Hill by John. I agree. I think he does not LIKE her at all. I think he was offended by what he perceived to be racist remarks by Bill, I guess. He has often criticized the "tone " of her campaign.

    Wasn't that the buzz?

    If Edwards endorsed Hillary (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:12:04 PM EST
    could he withstand the racist allegations?  I frankly think at this point the Obama machine has framed everyone who is against them a racist. Very few politicians or liberals have the guts to withstand that assaults from that front.  

    [ Parent ]
    Except (5.00 / 5) (#100)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:24:03 PM EST
    John McCain. He'll call Obama down on all that crap. That's why he's likely to win in Nov against Obama.

    [ Parent ]
    Men who want power don't like strong women (none / 0) (#229)
    by derridog on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:09:18 PM EST
    competing with them.  John has as big an ego as Obama.  

    [ Parent ]
    Orwell meet your master (5.00 / 4) (#41)
    by ineedalife on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:07:43 PM EST
    His name is John Edwards. I just lost all respect for Edwards.
    The Florida and Michigan answer was complete bulls***.

    We don't want to disenfranchise those states so we will arbitrarily award their delegates in a way that doesn't impact the race. He must think all the voters in those states are morons.

    I agree (5.00 / 7) (#105)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:26:40 PM EST
    For Edwards to endorse Obama when Edwards' supposed cause celebre is the poor, when he's publicly stated he disagrees with Obama's healthcare policy and agrees with Hillary's, disagrees with Obama's stance on credit card interest, etc. does not sound to me like a rational or principled decision.  

    Does Edwards truly think his endorsement will either change perception of Obama's elitism or heal the country?  I think instead of helping Obama's image he just indelibly tarnished his own.

    I have just lost all respect for Edwards, & Obama's probably just picked up Edwards' pledge delegates.

    [ Parent ]

    absolutely!!! (1.00 / 3) (#118)
    by CanadianDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:30:08 PM EST
    Under the bus with him!!!!

    [ Parent ]
    Im Trying to take the high road here (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by Saul on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:08:10 PM EST
    but as I see and hear more on how Hilary's is not appreciated and been put down, as I see clips when Edwards was running through some interview of him, they show how he was very against Hilary it hard for me to come to grips with the reality of Obama's nomination.  

    I wonder though if Obama is nominated will those that will reluctantly vote for him look at their choices as the  lesser  of two evils rather than good vs bad.   Obama or McCain

    I clicked here and saw this entry (5.00 / 11) (#51)
    by eleanora on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:11:36 PM EST
    and went to check the news because I didn't believe it. Wow, you leave to work for awhile and everything changes. So he actually did it.

    I'd guess Edwards endorsed because the WV loss plus their internals on KY and PR meant that she was going to pass Obama in the popular vote, and they had to shut her down quick. So they offered Edwards whatever he wanted to get him to come on board.

    We still can't use profanity here, right? What. a. pity.

    Wow. I just got in from class and I get the (5.00 / 13) (#55)
    by leis on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:12:36 PM EST
    shock of my life. Edwards endorsed McCain for president? Why?

    Why? (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by koshembos on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:14:00 PM EST
    Edwards failure to gain anything but token support in the early primaries was, in my opinion, his single track campaign and his inability to make even that track sound more complex than just eliminate poverty. I think that all is the result of Edwards' dull political instincts.

    His endorsement of Obama is another dull move. If he was promised support for anti poverty programs, he is naive (he'll get nothing).

    I really wish... (5.00 / 3) (#129)
    by p lukasiak on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:33:58 PM EST
    I REALLY wish that people would stop acting as if John Edwards was a failure as a candidate.  The media completely shut him out --- when he was ahead in Iowa, you would never have known it from the media, which was about nothing more than Obama and Clinton.

    When the media doesn't treat you as a credible candidate, you lose support to the people the media deems "credible" -- were it not for the media crush on Obama, right now Edwards would be the anti-Hillary, and Jeralyn and BTD would have only half the traffic they have right now, because the whole blogosphere would have eventually coalesced around Edwards.

    [ Parent ]

    Yes. The media ignored him, treats (5.00 / 3) (#206)
    by Joan in VA on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:00:16 PM EST
    her like dirt and now Edwards rewards them by endorsing their current obsession.

    [ Parent ]
    Edwards got several attempts (none / 0) (#152)
    by pie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:41:23 PM EST
    to define himself.  And I thought he was a good match for Kerry.  But it's only since he got down and dirty again (after his father's history) that he's even made some progress.  

    Sad, when we've got the spoiled rich dumba** in the White House.

    [ Parent ]

    Several hours ago (5.00 / 8) (#71)
    by Lil on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:16:43 PM EST
    I felt sick when I first heard of the endorsement; after reading most of these threads, I am basically thinking nothing has really changed very much. I think I'll send Hillary some cash now.

    As usual, Jeralyn, you've arrived at (5.00 / 4) (#75)
    by chancellor on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:18:07 PM EST
    the epicenter of the argument:  Shouldn't the DNC be trying to ensure that the strongest candidate is the nominee? Of course, the DNC should also be trying to ensure that the process--and the perception of the process--is fair. Failure on all fronts, IMO.

    aren't the SDs the same people (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:21:06 PM EST
    who have been so very effective standing up to Bush?  

    [ Parent ]
    Michael Dukakis is on CNN. (5.00 / 7) (#78)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:18:32 PM EST
    Now, don't get me wrong, I like Dukakis, but please -- here's a guy who clearly blew a 17-point lead in the '88 polls and lost the election, telling Democrats how to map out a winning campaign with Obama as the nominee.  Cable news has clearly become its own best parody.

    OMG!!!! Is Mark Salter helping (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by MarkL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:20:29 PM EST
    CNN with its booking?

    [ Parent ]
    In related news... (5.00 / 7) (#93)
    by Lysis on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:22:02 PM EST
    Tom Delay will be appearing on CNN to discuss ethics in government.

    [ Parent ]
    Right after the break (5.00 / 3) (#111)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:28:07 PM EST
    Where Al Gore does a commercial for big oil ;-).

    [ Parent ]
    Has Rove checked in on this endors. yet? (none / 0) (#174)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:48:55 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    This is not a surprise to me at all (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by kayla on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:20:00 PM EST
    I wish he had shut up about it until after Obama got the nom, but I did appreciate the compliments he gave to Hillary.  What bothers me about this campaign is that Obama getting the nom (and I KNOW he will) is not a surprise to me at all.  None of these big endorsements are a surprise either.  None of his big successes have been shocking to me.  It's all expected.

    I knew Obama was going to get the nom as soon as Pelosi said that it was a delegate race.  And recently I learn the convention is on the anniversary of the I Have a Dream speech.  I mean.  Come on.

    The question Larry should have asked (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Saul on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:23:21 PM EST
    Will you wait until all the primaries are over before you give your endorsement?

    Since Edwards was saying we need to hear the voters.

    Isn't it about time (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by Left of center on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:23:40 PM EST
    that Al Gore endorsed Hillary?
    Come on Al, we're counting on you.

    Not happening (none / 0) (#231)
    by dmk47 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:10:14 PM EST
    There is huge bad blood between Hillary and Gore from the Clinton administration days. They really don't like each other.

    [ Parent ]
    Shameful shameful shameful (5.00 / 6) (#101)
    by Lisa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:24:53 PM EST
    Edwards said:

    "I suspect there will be some division that slightly favors Senator Clinton but doesn't have a great impact on the race."

    WHY not impact the race?  Is there race fixing going on?  Wasn't it an ELECTION?  So they are going to take votes and make them fit the guy they want?  And they have the nerve to just come out and SAY it???  For shame.

    And why not let the primary play out - why on earth are "journalists" not asking what does a couple of weeks longer matter, when in the past races have gone on longer?  

    What are they so afraid will happen in two weeks???

    The elite will look like idiots for picking Obama?

    and what about the 62% that want the race to go on (5.00 / 7) (#119)
    by Lisa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:30:29 PM EST
    You know, the Democratic voters???

    Do they count anymore???

    [ Parent ]

    There isn't going to be unity - (5.00 / 16) (#107)
    by Boo Radly on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:27:22 PM EST
    BO is not what 60+% Dem voters want. I selected Hillary for solid reasons - she is out performing
    my expectations every day as far as performance under stress. I will save you bandwidth and not repeat BO's gaffes as I know them.

    It is obviously a coup - if FL/ML are not seated and votes counted fairly - you see, there is so much manipulation going on. I bet there is tons behind the scenes. I find it mind boggling they are propping him up 24/7 - why? I see no talent and a lot of Bush and that, after 7.5 years, I will not be a party to - ever. It has actually been a painful experience to watch this. I don't like to see people fail, and if he could have waited and got some control, it would have been very different. That goes to his judgement. That is why he and Michelle are so arrogant and so defensive. None of this is deep -

    I will vote for Hillary in GE and that is it. Edwards endorsement means nothing to me except that he really was not fully invested in his UHC and poverty programs. Brack just wants to eat his waffles and not be bothered by pesky details. He is just too Xool for me. Then I am an "I", maybe I will go tomorrow - I will feel better and I can still vote for Hillary if she is the nom.