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Why Did John Edwards Endorse Obama Today? Thread V

Continuing on from Big Tent Democrat's post on John Edwards endorsement of Obama:

John Edwards has been on tv for two weeks saying there was no reason for him to endorse either candidate. What changed? In two words: West Virginia. In four words: West Virginina and Kentucky.

Here's John Edwards on Monday night, May 12, the night before West Virginia, telling Larry King why he hasn't endorsed:

LARRY KING: You have not endorsed, senator. Some might say as a major figure in the party at this point, don't you have a responsibility to endorse?

JOHN EDWARDS (D), FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: No. I think that what I have a responsibility to do is make sure that the Democrats' message and our cause is heard and that we're united in the fall. You know, myself, Al Gore, I think there are some others who haven't spoken out yet about this nomination battle.

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I think we have two great candidates. I have such an extraordinarily high opinion of both of them. You watch sort of what's happened in the past, I think that some of the endorsements as opposed to helping unite have contributed to the divide. And what I don't want to do is contribute to the divide. I mean, we had a primary in North Carolina where I live. I live in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. I voted in that primary. So obviously, I made a choice in that vote. But at least for this moment, I think the reasonable thing for me to do is let voters make their decision.

KING: All right. How damaged, frankly, is your party based on the way this primary has gone and the hostility that has occurred between the two candidates?

EDWARDS: Well, my honest feeling about that is the longer it goes on and -- when I got out back at the end of January, beginning of February, one of the reasons I got out was I thought that my getting out would accelerate the choice of a nominee, would allow us to get prepared for the fall. Shows you how smart I am. It didn't work. It's going on and on and on.

And I think that the length of the primary is not helpful to us. I will say that if Senator Obama, who is certainly the front-runner right now, ends up being the nominee, I think the competition has been good for him. I think he's become stronger and tougher, more focused through the course of this campaign, more experienced in a tough national race.

So you know, there's sort of six of one, half dozen of the other. But I do think we're approaching the time and it's going to come naturally where this thing needs to come to an end and we need to start focusing on the fall.

KING: Are you saying, then, to Senator Clinton face the facts?

EDWARDS: No. The one thing I would never do is say to Senator Clinton, who's a strong candidate, and has as much experience in this as anybody around, what she needs to do. She doesn't need advice from me. She's run a strong campaign. I think she's actually as a candidate become stronger. The odds against her have become longer, unfortunately.

And I think she's in a very difficult place. But I do have to say just on a personal note, having been through this now twice, to get up and go out there every morning when everyone's saying it's over, you're not going to win, you need to get out, and face the media and face the public and continue to make your case.

I mean, this woman's made of steel. And she deserves an enormous amount of credit and admiration. I can tell you she has my personal admiration. But I think the reality is that we have a dynamic young strong candidate in Barack Obama who looks like he's going to be the nominee.

KING: What does your party do about Florida and Michigan? Now, you're going to address the convention in Denver.

EDWARDS: Yes, I expect to.

KING: Obviously, you deserve to. What do you think about Florida and Michigan?

EDWARDS: Well, I think we can't disenfranchise the voters in those two states, particularly in Florida after what happened in 2000. So I think the DNC is scheduled to deal with this later this month. I think they will find some fair middle ground resolution that allows the delegations from those two states to be seated. I suspect there will be some division that slightly favors Senator Clinton but doesn't have a great impact on the race.

....KING: Senator Edwards, would you run again for vice president if asked?

EDWARDS: No. I don't have any interest in it, no intention to do it. The cause of my life, Larry, is to do something about poverty in this country, and I'm going to pour my heart and soul into that. I knew you were going to ask me about this.

KING: All right. Hillary quoting an "A.P" story, questioned Obama, can he do well with white working-class voters. What do you make of that? And can he?

EDWARDS: He absolutely can. I mean, this is a good man who has shown throughout his life that he cares about equality, that he cares about everybody in this country having a chance. I mean, he himself came from nothing with a single mom to being able to do -- to being a nominee now, it looks like, for president of the United States.

And his life story itself exhibits what this country's about. And he absolutely -- the people that I grew up with in small town rural southern America who struggle and work hard every day trying to have a better life, they will connect with Barack Obama when they get to know him and they understand where his heart is.

Here's Edwards Sunday, May 11, on Face the Nation with Bob Schieffer:

SCHIEFFER: You sort of danced around the question when you were on some of the morning shows on Friday about whether or not you're ready to endorse anybody. I'm not going to try to keep on with this. Are you going to endorse anybody at this point?

Mr. EDWARDS: I might. I don't think it's a big deal, to be honest with you. I think voters are the ones who are speaking in this process. My feeling all along, in addition to what we talked about earlier and me getting out earlier, I hoped would accelerate us having an earlier nominee.

But my feeling is also that I think that my endorsement or anybody else's endorsement has not particularly helped with the divide. And I think that actually endorsements sometimes make the divide worse.

And what's important here is not me or who I'm for or who I'd vote for or who I support. What's important is that we get united as a party behind our nominee, that we're successful in November. Because the people that I care the most about, you know, the low-income families in this country, working families, people who are having a hard time, those men and women who are putting their lives on the line in Iraq, they're the ones that matter in this, not some particular candidate or some strategic position that somebody's taken.

Again, I don't think Edwards' endorsement has anything to do with who would make a better candidate. It's about ending the growing perception that Obama can't win against John McCain because he can't get rural, blue collar, less wealthy and less educated voters.

That perception was magnified yesterday with Hillary's win in West Virginia. There's concern it will grow when Hillary wins Kentucky. Since Edwards (and other Democrats) believe Obama will ultimately win the nomination, Edwards is trying to nip that line of thinking in the bud.

But, isn't this short-sighted? Shouldn't the focus of Democrats be on which Democratic candidate is better able to beat John McCain in November so we can take back the White House rather than on something as amorphous as which one stands for "change" and has "a new vision?"

And I'm still struck by the fact that Edwards gave no reason other than enthusiasm for choosing Obama and made no reference to McCain. Party unity is one thing and it could have waited three weeks. Winning is important too.

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    Deal or No Deal (5.00 / 12) (#2)
    by Athena on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:53:16 PM EST
    He was offered a deal to jump now and mask the WV loss.  He took it.  But the endorsement was tepid and unimpressive.

    And the absence of Elizabeth was the biggest endorsement in the room - for Hillary.

    Absence of Elizabeth! (1.00 / 4) (#151)
    by uncledad on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:41:18 PM EST
    Because Elizabeth was not there with her husband means she endorses Hillary? Ahh that good old Clinton triangulation is alive and well!

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    Clinton ain't the one triangulating here (5.00 / 2) (#167)
    by moll on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:46:53 PM EST
    Because Elizabeth was not there with her husband means she endorses Hillary? Ahh that good old Clinton triangulation is alive and well!

    Well, given how clear she is about her feelings on health care, it does sort of give the impression that Edwards sold his wife up a creek.

    That is a narrative Edwards needs to watch out for. First he continued campaigning amidst rumors that his wife had cancer. Then there was that interchange with him sounding reluctant to agree with his wife over whether Hillary's run for President is as historic as Obama's.

    I don't know the man and I don't know what really goes on, but the narrative there is a problem. He should have brought his wife with him and forced her to look enthusiastic.

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    "Forced" her? (none / 0) (#183)
    by kmblue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:51:13 PM EST
    Good luck with that.  LOL!
    I've met Elizabeth.
    Don't think she'd take kindly to that.
    I've met John too.  I don't think he'd even try it.

    Parent
    Edwards said last week (5.00 / 3) (#194)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:55:03 PM EST
    they did not vote for the same person.  

    But alas, Jessie Jackson the elder, supports Obama and his wife supports Hillary.  Priceless.

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    Yes, since they already said (none / 0) (#222)
    by Cream City on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:05:28 PM EST
    that they voted for different candidates.

    Of course, it could be that he voted for Clinton, and said only hours before that he would not endorse, but today got an offer from Obama that he couldn't refuse.  That is the Chicago Way.

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    There must be a mass grave somewhere (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by blogtopus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:54:44 PM EST
    That Obama knows about; I can't see any other reason for all the unreasonable endorsements coming his way. These people just don't seem to be able to read his policies, or are being willfully ignorant.

    Therefore, Obama must have the keys to the closet, and is threatening to open it and let ALL the skeletons pile out. THAT's the Chicago way.

    He found Hoffa? (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by kredwyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:15:30 PM EST
    Maybe, just maybe (none / 0) (#180)
    by cannondaddy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:50:12 PM EST
    they aren't as unreasonable as you think they are?

    Parent
    Well, this is his stated reason: (5.00 / 15) (#9)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:56:06 PM EST
    The Democratic voters in America have made their choice, and so have I,' Edwards tells a rally in Michigan.

    But all the Democratic voters in America haven't actually made there choice yet.  

    And that is a hillarious thing to say (5.00 / 14) (#36)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:06:19 PM EST
    in Michigan.  Is he going to fly off to Florida for the same speech?

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    Actually I do think Obama is coming (none / 0) (#204)
    by ruffian on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:58:34 PM EST
    here to FL this weekend for fundraisers.  Maybe Edwards is coming with him.

    Parent
    no... (1.00 / 5) (#95)
    by CanadianDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:22:33 PM EST
    ...but the majority have...even with extrapolating, the majority have reached the decision.

    Do you live  in a democracy?

    Parent

    Extrapolation for elections (5.00 / 2) (#103)
    by Marvin42 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:25:23 PM EST
    Cool, so can we just have 10% vote then we'll decide the rest? Get real.

    Parent
    LOL (1.00 / 5) (#122)
    by CanadianDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:31:31 PM EST
    your numbers are fantasy land.  And your rebuttal is weak and lacking facts.  Therefore, it is at best equal to my original post, at worst sour grapes.

    Do take care.

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    Troll Alert (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by Marvin42 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:37:15 PM EST
    Map to bridge forthcoming.

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    Well (none / 0) (#227)
    by kaleidescope on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:08:07 PM EST
    That's pretty much what happened in 2004.  Iowa and New Hampshire got to vote and the primary election was, basically, over.  Here in California none of our primary votes mattered at all.  

    To take your notion to its logical conclusion, Edwards was a fool to endorse Obama because, the totality of Democratic voters not having yet voted, Edwards could still be the nominee.

    And the same goes for Kucinich.

    When a candidate gets out is totally up to the candidate and I agree that HRC staying in the race has helped Obama's chances in November more than they have hurt him.

    Personally, I'm impatient for Democrats to start blasting away at John McCain (though not all Republican voters having voted yet, perhaps we should hold our fire in case Ron Paul is the nominee).  Blasting McCain will be fun; watching Democrats snipe at each other not so much.

    But, oh well, all the voting will be over in a little more than two weeks and at my age two weeks flies by so fast, who cares if both candidates stay in until then.

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    obama better win KY if he's so hot (5.00 / 3) (#149)
    by moll on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:39:42 PM EST
    ...but the majority have...even with extrapolating, the majority have reached the decision.

    Do you live  in a democracy?

    Well, I thought I did, but apparently the party is afraid to let the voting play out, and they are trying to manipulate the outcome of the remaining races.

    I mean even more than already.

    Cuz it looks like Hillary might come out with the popular vote, and then the superdelegates would be obliged to make the final call.

    And someone really, really doesn't want that.

    I wonder why? Aren't all the superdelegates in agreement with the DNC on who the candidate should be? Or do they just not want to be on record?

    Parent

    Well, have you seen his latest efforts (5.00 / 1) (#211)
    by derridog on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:01:18 PM EST
    to win in Ky?

    Unfortunately, I can't reproduce the image of Obama in front of a great big golden cross, but you can read this article and then go to the link:

    From http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/375071.aspx
    May 14, 2008

    I have been telling Brody File readers for months that if Barack Obama becomes the Democratic nominee he will make a pitch to win over independent/moderate Evangelicals. Well, we now have evidence.

    Look at the flyer below:

    In Kentucky, he is making a direct appeal to Evangelicals with flyers that mention his conversion experience and they highlight a big old cross. Remember Mike Huckabee's supposed subliminal cross in his Christmas campaign ad? Well, the Obama campaign ditches the subliminal and goes for the in your face cross. Look at the flyer here.

    The Obama campaign has consistently believed that their candidate can compete for the "religious vote". A lot has been made about how Obama hasn't done as well with Catholics compared to Clinton. But let's remember one thing: Obama has a story to tell about how Jesus came into his life. You can bet we will be hearing more details about it on the stump in the fall. (if Obama is the nominee)

    Meanwhile, John McCain won't be partaking in the "Evangelical speak" or handing out these types of flyers in the south which makes you wonder if Huckabee could help McCain shore up the Evangelical base and at the same time play to the Independent middle with his populist streak.

    I know the conservative policy purists will say that Obama is liberal and therefore Evangelicals won't buy his "Evangelical speak". Not so fast. Remember, many people vote based on an emotional connection to a candidate or if they can relate to that person. Obama may need to work on this perception that he is "elite" but when he talks about Jesus and the Bible and the fact that he's a sinner, it makes him more real and in the process, more electable too.


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    i think they have but no one in the creative (none / 0) (#172)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:48:07 PM EST
    class or media is listening. but they will!

    Parent
    I can't even speculate anymore.... (5.00 / 14) (#15)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:58:23 PM EST
    ...these folks just don't think like I do. Who knows why they do what they do. There's a huge disconnect between the people supposedly leading the democratic party and at least half of the voters.

    It isn't a perception (5.00 / 10) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:01:04 PM EST
    that Obama does poorly with working class whites, it is a fact. And the fear that people will realize this is what? That the SD's will bolt from Obama? Papering over his problems makes no sense to me and Obama certainly doesn't have a clue as to how to solve them. Sending John Edwards out is really just cowardly. He's afraid to meet these voters himself?

    Heh. (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by lansing quaker on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:06:29 PM EST
    John Edwards gave his speech in Michigan.

    Of course Obama's afraid to rally there.

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    no secret why he does poorly with blue collars (5.00 / 4) (#112)
    by moll on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:28:11 PM EST
    John Edwards gave his speech in Michigan.

    Of course Obama's afraid to rally there.

    Isn't Michigan where Obama called that reporter "sweetie" instead of just answering her question?

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    There Were Only 200 People At TheRally... (5.00 / 7) (#117)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:29:57 PM EST
    what happened to his swooning fans?

    Parent
    Lou Dobbs and Bill (5.00 / 6) (#125)
    by zfran on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:32:34 PM EST
    Schneider both remarked that he was in Michigan but the people at the event were not from Michigan.

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    Where (5.00 / 2) (#132)
    by Emma on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:34:58 PM EST
    were they from?

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    They brought them in (5.00 / 4) (#144)
    by zfran on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:38:11 PM EST
    from somewhere..when you think about it, it makes sense because the speech he gave yesterday, the crowd looked bored.

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    Prolly Chicago. (5.00 / 2) (#150)
    by masslib on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:40:19 PM EST
    Really? (5.00 / 4) (#147)
    by Shainzona on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:39:15 PM EST
    That's a piece of news that should get out there....after all, he buses in 800 people for each caucus from state to state...maybe he couldn't get those people to participate.

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    yes (1.00 / 5) (#135)
    by CanadianDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:35:27 PM EST
    exactly, the angel Edwards who was once held so high in these circles endorses Obama, and you point out the crowd size.....this place is beyond redemption, and please...continue to delude yourselves.  You're a blog, in a minority, who thinks beyond their britches.  And of course this is by no fault of Big Tent Divisiveness himself, follow your leader. ---end snark

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    Attacking Talk Left (5.00 / 4) (#160)
    by eleanora on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:44:21 PM EST
    really isn't helpful if your goal is to get us to support Senator Obama. Even if you don't like what we say, this place has been a safe haven for Clinton supporters and the undecided and Obama supporters who don't hate either group. People are upset right now, but perhaps you could respond to posters on their points rather than attacking TL or the mods here.

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    the door is open! i know there (5.00 / 2) (#181)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:50:57 PM EST
    are many places that might be more agreeable. but i have to say it is more representative here of the core democrative voter. i if were, i'd want to know instead of complain. but that's your choice.

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    Hmm (none / 0) (#158)
    by Steve M on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:42:28 PM EST
    That doesn't sound right to me.  The rally was at a hockey arena that seats about 10,000 people.  The local media is describing it as a packed house.

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    Did you see the photo of a NC (5.00 / 0) (#192)
    by Shainzona on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:53:51 PM EST
    rally in a field house?  They had closed off 1/3 of the arena and put people in there...and even then, it wasn't full.  Camera angles, baby!!!

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    Heh (none / 0) (#213)
    by Steve M on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:01:40 PM EST
    Well, maybe the local media in Grand Rapids is in the tank for Obama, but they called it a packed house.

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    Grand Rapids, the home of Gerald (none / 0) (#218)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:03:24 PM EST
    Ford and the Dutch Reformed Church?  Doubt it.

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    Steve M. 200 Was The Only Number I Saw (none / 0) (#205)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:59:20 PM EST
    in the piece I quoted from and it was at a community college.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080514/ap_on_el_pr/obama_edwards

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    So when he wins... (none / 0) (#216)
    by mike in dc on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:02:45 PM EST
    ...Oregon(which has a more working class white population than Ohio) by 20+ next week, there will be ruminations here about how he made such a spectacular comeback among working class whites?

    Obama doesn't have a "working class white" problem nearly as much as he has an "Appalachian" problem.  Most of the areas on the national map where Clinton won with 65+% happen to be in the Appalachian region.

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    Party Politics. (5.00 / 7) (#25)
    by lansing quaker on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:01:24 PM EST
    IMO, the DNC is desperate to have this end and have a presumptive nominee.  They're still clutching a basket full of eggs hoping that the party will not fracture.

    I'm sure the pressure from above was heavy on Edwards to boost the current meme: pledged delegates + most states.

    C'est la vie.  I think it will mean jack all come the GE, but it's just another top-down move to force Hillary out.

    what the Obama party? (5.00 / 4) (#113)
    by moll on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:29:03 PM EST
    They're still clutching a basket full of eggs hoping that the party will not fracture.

    do people really not get that it is too late for that?

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    Your post points out (5.00 / 7) (#26)
    by Coldblue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:01:30 PM EST
    one of the reasons why Edwards never won; he isn't believable.

    Ding ding ding (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by MarkL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:05:39 PM EST
    That was my problem with him.

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    Going to cross-post since I just beat the cutoff. (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by lansing quaker on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:07:59 PM EST
    I'd rather not mock John Edwards.  He and Elizabeth are great Americans and sent a positive and important message on the stump.
    As an advocate for Hillary am I disappointed?  Yes.

    Am I angry or "bitter"?  Nah.

    It reeks of political calculation, and I doubt that his endorsement will do much in the upcoming Primaries and mean much less come the General Election.  Lots of other high profile, popular elected officials have already endorsed Obama.  And?

    It will change the media narrative in the short term, but Hillary has never been one to win on media narratives.  And in the GE, the endorsement will mean jack all because it's an endorsement from a Democrat to a Democrat.

    Again: I'm disappointed with Edwards.  But I will not insult him or Elizabeth for this.  If anything, it's party machinations behind this.

    And this is why I re-registered as a big ol' (I) instead of a D.

    Because "I" will vote in November, and "I" will not vote for Obama.

    But I still think John and Elizabeth Edwards are great Americans.


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    I like John Edwards too (5.00 / 3) (#50)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:11:33 PM EST
    and I'm not criticizing him here.

    Commenters don't speak for TalkLeft and if I see personal attacks on the Edwards, they will be deleted.

    Criticize his decision today , fine. Don't trash him as a person or a former candidate.

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    you reap (1.00 / 1) (#102)
    by CanadianDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:25:03 PM EST
    what you sow J.

    Look at the flip-flop happening here.  The lauding of his integrity and fundamental values cast aside in an instant when he doesn't choose the 'right' endorsement.

    This place has gone around the bend, even for a Canadian.

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    I dunno (5.00 / 5) (#127)
    by moll on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:33:21 PM EST
    Look at the flip-flop happening here.  The lauding of his integrity and fundamental values cast aside in an instant when he doesn't choose the 'right' endorsement.

    I thought poverty was Edwards' pet issue. Obama isn't offering much on poverty, at least not from what I read in the business magazines.

    I thought Edwards cared about universal health care.

    What I have read about Obama's position just don't match up with the perceptions I had about what I thought Edwards stood for.

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    yes (1.00 / 2) (#143)
    by CanadianDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:37:32 PM EST
    impugn the man, ignore your own historical support, it is of course Edwards fault and so many others now, isn't it?

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    please stop being so self righteous. (5.00 / 5) (#191)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:53:41 PM EST
    add something to the discussion besides your distain for everyone's views.

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    I don't understand why my asking that upsets you (5.00 / 4) (#200)
    by moll on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:56:52 PM EST
    impugn the man, ignore your own historical support, it is of course Edwards fault and so many others now, isn't it?

    Is it too much to ask that our politicians say what they believe in and stand for, and that they stay constant to that?

    Did Edwards talk about "two Americas", and make poverty his centerpiece?

    Because I don't get why you are saying I impugn him. Am I supposed to follow blindly no matter how positions change? I don't know if his position changed. Maybe I just never really understood what his position was. I certainly don't understand what his position is now.

    If Edwards cares deeply about poverty, then why is he moving against the one with stronger positions on issues relating to poverty?

    Or am I not allowed to ask that? And if not - why not?

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    You don't have a dog in this race (5.00 / 3) (#207)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:00:21 PM EST
    so, are you just here to stir things up?

    Edwards said he wouldn't endorse on numerous occasions. Then, when he changed his mind, he did so with barely an hour's notice, in Michigan where he, too, was playing the same political game with the voters that Obama did, and in the wake of a fantastic win on Hillary's part.

    People are understandably confused and a bit irritated by this.

    Got it?

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    So glad you live in Canada. (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by Shainzona on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:55:23 PM EST
    You live in a country ... (5.00 / 1) (#241)
    by Inky on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:22:36 AM EST
    that has already achieved universal health care. So perhaps you don't understand the betrayal that some of us feel when a candidate who proposed a plan for UHC backs the candidate who hasn't rather than the candidate who fought valiantly for the same plan.

    I still respect Edwards, and his wife even more so. And I think he honestly believes this endorsement is the best way to push his anti-poverty agenda. I just wish he had listened to his wife more on this decision, just as I wish he had listened to his wife when it came to his decision to authorize the use of military force in Iraq.

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    He's a great guy, but he's just not (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by MarkL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:12:14 PM EST
    convincing. I'm not mocking him. I had wished that I could be more supportive of him, since so many of his programs were agreeable to me.
    He just comes across to me as extremely calculating and insincere. For instance, when he mimicked Obama in one of the debates, with a line like "we're the change candidates", I thought it was pathetic, contrived and unbelievable.

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    I believed everything he said (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:14:42 PM EST
    about Hillary!

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    Funny, cause the straight out lies (5.00 / 3) (#92)
    by MarkL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:22:00 PM EST
    he told about Hillary were another of the reasons I couldn't support him. He wasn't even smart enough to lie subtly, IMO---he just told whoppers.

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    Didn't He Do His Part On Piling On HIllary (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:33:28 PM EST
    along with obama when he was still in the race?  He said he wasn't going to endorse, then he told someone else, he might.  And he said he wouldn't run as VP....any bettors out there?

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    Not me n/t (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Coldblue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:38:38 PM EST
    You Are A Smart One, You Are... (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:50:04 PM EST
    might go attny general n/t (none / 0) (#203)
    by moll on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:58:17 PM EST
    bjorn (none / 0) (#189)
    by The Realist on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:53:11 PM EST
    I have an update for you here on the DNC Donna Brazile thing.

    http://therealistblogs.blogspot.com/2008/05/donna-brazileobjected-to-proposal-to.html

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    does brazile not understand that (5.00 / 2) (#195)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:55:10 PM EST
    every time she opens her mouth, she pounds one more nail into the demise of obama's campaign.

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    I love John and Elizabeth too, (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by eleanora on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:20:24 PM EST
    but this is kind of heartbreaking.

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    He got the call from the also rans (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by BarnBabe on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:02:05 PM EST
    And lost. Any of them, Dean, Kerry, Kennedy. Yeah, any of them could have helped him too. Dean with the DNC who should have been out there moderating the media and calling unfairness where it was for Edwards and Hillary. he was silent. Kerry didn't even endorse Edwards. I am speculating of course, but if they said Elizabeth was not happy about this, I would have to think it was because he was put on the spot and encouraged to do it now. If Elizabeth was excited and was in Michigan too, that would make sense. But as was said, he did not even give a reason to endorse Obama. Very weak indeed, but it changes the limelight today. The people really DO not have much of a say anymore. Until November at least.

    Does (5.00 / 4) (#66)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:15:05 PM EST
    it concern anyone else that Obama is being pushed by the party losers? I mean really all of these people have lost election after election. Obama seems to be running the same kind of election. I wonder when he'll implode like they did? If he gets the nomination, on the way to the general election.

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    When he started his campaign I could (5.00 / 4) (#79)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:18:36 PM EST
    see a lot of the appeal. He was not like Gore and Kerry, in that he was very charismatic...but that has seemed to go away.  I am not sure what happened...was that the real Obama or did have a few good notes and he already hit them all.  He has grown weaker instead of stronger, imo.

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    That was the real Obama... (5.00 / 13) (#109)
    by p lukasiak on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:27:35 PM EST
    on a good day.  But he's used to good days, and doesn't know how to handle bad days -- so they are both the real Obama.  

    The problem, of course, is that the challenges facing this nation mean lots and lots and lots of bad days for a President.... and Obama isn't ready for that.

    Personally, the fact that Clinton hasn't flipped out by now -- the fact that she's still focussed on doing what's best for this nation -- well, I don't know how she does it, but I wnat it in the Oval Office.

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    For iago... (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by kredwyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:02:27 PM EST
    from the last thread.

    Since I'm not psychic...nor do I have any knowledge of the campaign's discussions, I don't know what that path is.

    Trust me, tossing the numbers at me sure isn't going to help.

    I still think it's odd (5.00 / 11) (#37)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:06:28 PM EST
    that Obama the presumptive winner is flailing with trying to patch together a theme of his policies.  Ironic how the poor, uneducated and maligned voters are finally making him do the work he should have done.  And what does Edwards do?  Tell everyone to not worry the guy is ok.  Huh?  

    Obama stated recently that, as opposed to (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:11:11 PM EST
    Hillary Clinton's secretive methodology on health care, he will invite everyone, including the drug companies, amd it will all be on C-Span.

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    Oh, yes... (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:13:22 PM EST
    is he bringing the regulation issued community organizer butcher paper.  

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    Oh, just thought of this. Maybe he (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:14:30 PM EST
    is releasing good news to counter act pending Rezko jury verdict?

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    Man...busted (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:16:50 PM EST
    I have been burning entrails, lighting candles and praising all the deities, but then I saw that the jury was practically all women.  

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    What's their age? (none / 0) (#108)
    by waldenpond on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:27:32 PM EST
    Obama demographic?

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    did not say (none / 0) (#159)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:43:31 PM EST
    oops (none / 0) (#175)
    by waldenpond on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:49:30 PM EST
    I left off the snark but I'm blaming you, you should know me by now. :)

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    I do not presume.!!! (4.00 / 1) (#185)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:52:06 PM EST
    ha..ha (snarkola)

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    C-Span The Most Viewed Network On TV?? n/t (none / 0) (#83)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:19:58 PM EST
    So, It Seems The Poor, Uneducated, (5.00 / 3) (#133)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:35:00 PM EST
    maligned voters are smarter than obama and edwards put together.

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    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:45:19 PM EST
    the demanded something more, so Obama was throwing the kitchen sink of policies.  Auto makers, green jobs, farmers...the list is endless.   Whereas, like Edwards, the urban folks, the educated and the creative class, they just, well, sort of liked the guy and he was cool.  

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    Oh, and the part about, don't give a (5.00 / 2) (#170)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:47:23 PM EST
    tax break to companies shipping jobs out of the U.S.; let us give that tax break to companies creating jobs here.  Stay tuned.

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    i was seating in a restaurant awhile (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:58:10 PM EST
    ago in the part of town where the creative class might more like reside. i heard a woman at the next table say "poor white trash" with such distain. i looked up and thought yup bitter about the election.

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    why? (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by DFLer on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:06:58 PM EST
    In the the last thread, the Realist said soemthing about this being a direct slap in the face of Hill by John. I agree. I think he does not LIKE her at all. I think he was offended by what he perceived to be racist remarks by Bill, I guess. He has often criticized the "tone " of her campaign.

    Wasn't that the buzz?

    If Edwards endorsed Hillary (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:12:04 PM EST
    could he withstand the racist allegations?  I frankly think at this point the Obama machine has framed everyone who is against them a racist. Very few politicians or liberals have the guts to withstand that assaults from that front.  

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    Except (5.00 / 5) (#100)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:24:03 PM EST
    John McCain. He'll call Obama down on all that crap. That's why he's likely to win in Nov against Obama.

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    Men who want power don't like strong women (none / 0) (#229)
    by derridog on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:09:18 PM EST
    competing with them.  John has as big an ego as Obama.  

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    Orwell meet your master (5.00 / 4) (#41)
    by ineedalife on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:07:43 PM EST
    His name is John Edwards. I just lost all respect for Edwards.
    The Florida and Michigan answer was complete bulls***.

    We don't want to disenfranchise those states so we will arbitrarily award their delegates in a way that doesn't impact the race. He must think all the voters in those states are morons.

    I agree (5.00 / 6) (#105)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:26:40 PM EST
    For Edwards to endorse Obama when Edwards' supposed cause celebre is the poor, when he's publicly stated he disagrees with Obama's healthcare policy and agrees with Hillary's, disagrees with Obama's stance on credit card interest, etc. does not sound to me like a rational or principled decision.  

    Does Edwards truly think his endorsement will either change perception of Obama's elitism or heal the country?  I think instead of helping Obama's image he just indelibly tarnished his own.

    I have just lost all respect for Edwards, & Obama's probably just picked up Edwards' pledge delegates.

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    absolutely!!! (1.00 / 3) (#118)
    by CanadianDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:30:08 PM EST
    Under the bus with him!!!!

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    Im Trying to take the high road here (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by Saul on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:08:10 PM EST
    but as I see and hear more on how Hilary's is not appreciated and been put down, as I see clips when Edwards was running through some interview of him, they show how he was very against Hilary it hard for me to come to grips with the reality of Obama's nomination.  

    I wonder though if Obama is nominated will those that will reluctantly vote for him look at their choices as the  lesser  of two evils rather than good vs bad.   Obama or McCain

    I clicked here and saw this entry (5.00 / 11) (#51)
    by eleanora on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:11:36 PM EST
    and went to check the news because I didn't believe it. Wow, you leave to work for awhile and everything changes. So he actually did it.

    I'd guess Edwards endorsed because the WV loss plus their internals on KY and PR meant that she was going to pass Obama in the popular vote, and they had to shut her down quick. So they offered Edwards whatever he wanted to get him to come on board.

    We still can't use profanity here, right? What. a. pity.

    Wow. I just got in from class and I get the (5.00 / 13) (#55)
    by leis on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:12:36 PM EST
    shock of my life. Edwards endorsed McCain for president? Why?

    Why? (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by koshembos on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:14:00 PM EST
    Edwards failure to gain anything but token support in the early primaries was, in my opinion, his single track campaign and his inability to make even that track sound more complex than just eliminate poverty. I think that all is the result of Edwards' dull political instincts.

    His endorsement of Obama is another dull move. If he was promised support for anti poverty programs, he is naive (he'll get nothing).

    I really wish... (5.00 / 3) (#129)
    by p lukasiak on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:33:58 PM EST
    I REALLY wish that people would stop acting as if John Edwards was a failure as a candidate.  The media completely shut him out --- when he was ahead in Iowa, you would never have known it from the media, which was about nothing more than Obama and Clinton.

    When the media doesn't treat you as a credible candidate, you lose support to the people the media deems "credible" -- were it not for the media crush on Obama, right now Edwards would be the anti-Hillary, and Jeralyn and BTD would have only half the traffic they have right now, because the whole blogosphere would have eventually coalesced around Edwards.

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    Yes. The media ignored him, treats (5.00 / 3) (#206)
    by Joan in VA on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:00:16 PM EST
    her like dirt and now Edwards rewards them by endorsing their current obsession.

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    Edwards got several attempts (none / 0) (#152)
    by pie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:41:23 PM EST
    to define himself.  And I thought he was a good match for Kerry.  But it's only since he got down and dirty again (after his father's history) that he's even made some progress.  

    Sad, when we've got the spoiled rich dumba** in the White House.

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    Several hours ago (5.00 / 8) (#71)
    by Lil on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:16:43 PM EST
    I felt sick when I first heard of the endorsement; after reading most of these threads, I am basically thinking nothing has really changed very much. I think I'll send Hillary some cash now.

    As usual, Jeralyn, you've arrived at (5.00 / 4) (#75)
    by chancellor on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:18:07 PM EST
    the epicenter of the argument:  Shouldn't the DNC be trying to ensure that the strongest candidate is the nominee? Of course, the DNC should also be trying to ensure that the process--and the perception of the process--is fair. Failure on all fronts, IMO.

    aren't the SDs the same people (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:21:06 PM EST
    who have been so very effective standing up to Bush?  

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    This is not a surprise to me at all (5.00 / 2) (#85)
    by kayla on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:20:00 PM EST
    I wish he had shut up about it until after Obama got the nom, but I did appreciate the compliments he gave to Hillary.  What bothers me about this campaign is that Obama getting the nom (and I KNOW he will) is not a surprise to me at all.  None of these big endorsements are a surprise either.  None of his big successes have been shocking to me.  It's all expected.

    I knew Obama was going to get the nom as soon as Pelosi said that it was a delegate race.  And recently I learn the convention is on the anniversary of the I Have a Dream speech.  I mean.  Come on.

    OMG!!!! Is Mark Salter helping (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by MarkL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:20:29 PM EST
    CNN with its booking?

    In related news... (5.00 / 7) (#93)
    by Lysis on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:22:02 PM EST
    Tom Delay will be appearing on CNN to discuss ethics in government.

    Right after the break (5.00 / 3) (#111)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:28:07 PM EST
    Where Al Gore does a commercial for big oil ;-).

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    Has Rove checked in on this endors. yet? (none / 0) (#174)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:48:55 PM EST
    The question Larry should have asked (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Saul on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:23:21 PM EST
    Will you wait until all the primaries are over before you give your endorsement?

    Since Edwards was saying we need to hear the voters.

    Isn't it about time (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by Left of center on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:23:40 PM EST
    that Al Gore endorsed Hillary?
    Come on Al, we're counting on you.

    Not happening (none / 0) (#231)
    by dmk47 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:10:14 PM EST
    There is huge bad blood between Hillary and Gore from the Clinton administration days. They really don't like each other.

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    Shameful shameful shameful (5.00 / 6) (#101)
    by Lisa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:24:53 PM EST
    Edwards said:

    "I suspect there will be some division that slightly favors Senator Clinton but doesn't have a great impact on the race."

    WHY not impact the race?  Is there race fixing going on?  Wasn't it an ELECTION?  So they are going to take votes and make them fit the guy they want?  And they have the nerve to just come out and SAY it???  For shame.

    And why not let the primary play out - why on earth are "journalists" not asking what does a couple of weeks longer matter, when in the past races have gone on longer?  

    What are they so afraid will happen in two weeks???

    The elite will look like idiots for picking Obama?

    and what about the 62% that want the race to go on (5.00 / 7) (#119)
    by Lisa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:30:29 PM EST
    You know, the Democratic voters???

    Do they count anymore???

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    There isn't going to be unity - (5.00 / 16) (#107)
    by Boo Radly on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:27:22 PM EST
    BO is not what 60+% Dem voters want. I selected Hillary for solid reasons - she is out performing
    my expectations every day as far as performance under stress. I will save you bandwidth and not repeat BO's gaffes as I know them.

    It is obviously a coup - if FL/ML are not seated and votes counted fairly - you see, there is so much manipulation going on. I bet there is tons behind the scenes. I find it mind boggling they are propping him up 24/7 - why? I see no talent and a lot of Bush and that, after 7.5 years, I will not be a party to - ever. It has actually been a painful experience to watch this. I don't like to see people fail, and if he could have waited and got some control, it would have been very different. That goes to his judgement. That is why he and Michelle are so arrogant and so defensive. None of this is deep -

    I will vote for Hillary in GE and that is it. Edwards endorsement means nothing to me except that he really was not fully invested in his UHC and poverty programs. Brack just wants to eat his waffles and not be bothered by pesky details. He is just too Xool for me. Then I am an "I", maybe I will go tomorrow - I will feel better and I can still vote for Hillary if she is the nom.

    Boo-I agree; contrary to what the DNC leadership, (5.00 / 2) (#224)
    by kenosharick on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:06:17 PM EST
    media, and Obama campaign thinks, we will not all fall into line in Nov. They piss all over us and think we will forget? They brand the Clintons and anyone who Slightly disagrees with them as racist and think we will forget? They disenfranchise millions of voters and think we will forget? Their "brilliant" campaign may capture the nomination- but will cost them the general.

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    Second Choice (none / 0) (#120)
    by bison on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:30:58 PM EST
    In many elections I have had to vote for my second or third choice.  So this will not be the first time nor the last.

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    Me too... (5.00 / 4) (#210)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:01:00 PM EST
    but I always thought they stood for some Democratic principles.

    I just don't think Obama does. :-(

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    Second Choice (none / 0) (#121)
    by bison on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:31:15 PM EST
    In many elections I have had to vote for my second or third choice.  So this will not be the first time nor the last.

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    I can't keep getting past the stupidity (5.00 / 8) (#154)
    by Marvin42 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:41:52 PM EST
    What are they thinking? Why are they on a mission to piss off all Hillary's portion of the democratic party so much that they can NEVER get them back.

    I see no upside to this other than one news cycle. It will change nothing and will just anger people whom they need.

    Maybe I am just too stupid to get it, but I just don't see what they are doing here.

    They might not (5.00 / 3) (#165)
    by Edgar08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:46:33 PM EST
    know what they're doing.


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    Everything they do (5.00 / 4) (#166)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:46:47 PM EST
    is completely and totally ass-backwards in my opinion.

    The tone-deafness is staggering.

    And yet...it explains so much about why we lose elections. They are insulated in their little Washington bubbles and they ARE elitists. They just think they know better than we do.

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    it's a top secret Democratic strategy (5.00 / 3) (#193)
    by diplomatic on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:54:31 PM EST
    "Divide and Conquer Yourself"

    Sounds kind of deep.  Introspective even.

    Would make a good book title for a self-help book to battle addiction...

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    I haven't read every comment, but ... (5.00 / 2) (#161)
    by Robot Porter on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:44:50 PM EST
    I think the answer to why he endorsed is obvious.

    Edwards voted in NC.  Since then was under pressure to endorse. So he finally did.  And did it AFTER, rather than before WV.

    And his endorsement was about the most tepid thing I've ever heard.

    In fact, I thought it was hilarious that he used the phrase "there is one man" repeatedly in his comments.  

    Yup, there is only "one man" left in the race who can do what Edwards said. There's is also "one woman" who can.

    Really? (5.00 / 4) (#188)
    by Edgar08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:53:07 PM EST
    Jeralyn says no ad hominems, no attacking Edwards, but what other way is there to describe this.

    A guy takes the stage to unify a party.  The people who are PO'd are women who are sick of sexism that has gone unanswered by the party in question.

    And he spends the entire speech breaking a sort of rule I've known since I was five.  You say "There is one person."  You say it over and over again.  "There is one person."  You do not say "There is one man."  God forbid, you don't do that!

    Does it matter if I say it was an incompetent speech and not say the man himself is incompetent?  Does that distinction matter anymore?

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    is it a sickness? (5.00 / 3) (#214)
    by diplomatic on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:02:39 PM EST
    Some of these Democratic "leaders" seem to REVEL in their backstabbing and power moves against Clinton.  I get the impression that they are going out of their way to do it IN YOUR FACE, WITHOUT SHAME, and WITH A HEALTHY DOSE OF GRATUITIOUS AND DESTRUCTIVE comments that don't help anybody.

    It's an arrogance and sadism unlike anything I've ever seen on a national stage.  Too many of them seem to enjoy psychologically torturing, being graceless to, and destroying the Clinton family and their supporters.

    What kind of SICK @$&@*$ are taking over the party?

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    While I'm disappointed in Edwards' endorsement (5.00 / 4) (#228)
    by stefystef on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:08:30 PM EST
    I understand why he may feel that his endorsement would start to bring the party together and he wants to feel like he's a kingmaker and party unifier.

    I have no complaint against John Edwards.  I have nothing but respect for him and have always felt that the mistreatment by the media and the over-exposure of Obama caused the too-early failure of his campaign.

    I will not be voting for Barack Obama in November, so Edwards'  endorsement holds no value to me.
    Even if Hillary endorsed Obama, it will hold no value to me.
    The Democratic Party, once again, is picking the wrong person for the nominee.

    And once again, it will lose the White House.

    Sometimes, a society gets the government it deserves

    A contrarian view of Edwards and his role (5.00 / 3) (#235)
    by cymro on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:51:23 PM EST
    Here's one possibility that I have not seen discussed:

    Edwards endorsing Obama while continuing to lavish praise on Clinton as a fighting Democratic partisan blunts criticism of Hillary by Obama supporters. So Edwards can be invaluable as a peace-maker who is rehabilitating Hillary's credibility among Obama supporters. Maybe not among the vocal "creative class" -- the media elite, the Obama bloggers, etc. -- but among the voters who supported Obama.

    So, if Obama is (now, or later) perceived by party insiders as unlikely to beat McCain, then Edwards is playing a crucial role in preparing the way for a switch to Clinton as the eventual nominee.

    This could be part of a backup plan that will unfold if Hillary continues to rack up victories, and Obama continues to lose ground in the polls.

    The powers that be can't allow another (5.00 / 1) (#237)
    by WillBFair on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:13:17 PM EST
    skilled and knowledgeable Clinton in office, especially when the dems have so much political capital going for them.
    The media's pro Obama campaign was idiotic, and the smears against the Clintons were shallow and childish. What's startling is that it worked like a charm. I didn't think there were democrats that ignorant.
    They'll do anything to put Obama into the ge, and the endorsement by whatshisname is a way to transfer his FL and MI votes to Obama. It may or may not work. Folk might object that people voted for Edwards, not Obama, and the votes belong to the voters, not to Edwards to do with as he wishes. If it doesn't work, they'll just move on to the next swindle.
    Face it. There is no way the powers that be will allow the Clinton brilliance back in office.
    http://a-civilife.blogspot.com
     

    The reason? Two words (5.00 / 0) (#238)
    by cannondaddy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:29:53 PM EST
    Jet ski

    My problem is with his timing...I think (5.00 / 3) (#239)
    by hillaryboy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:13:47 PM EST
    that it lost any semblance of "unity" when he choose to make the endorsement hours after Hillary Clinton won WV.  I think that is what makes many of us feel hostile towards Edwards, his endorsement the day after her big win was like a slap in the face.  It was a very calculating  move and I believe her supporters are disappointed in him for stealing her MUCH deserved thunder.  It is my hope that most folks see through this kind of political posturing .    

    Because he's a Democrat (2.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Michael Masinter on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:09:19 PM EST
    There's no mystery here.  Edwards can do the math, and he did.  Senator Obama has the nomination sewed up; Senator Clinton can't win.  For a true democrat (and I am one) the immediate question now becomes:  How do we help Obama beat McCain?  The answer is clear, and you heard it in the first part of the Edwards endorsement -- acknowledge Senator Clinton's strength and character, effusively praise her impressive campaign, and begin the process of trying to unite her party behind its nominee in waiting.  We can spend four years and countless lives sulking over what might have or even what should have been even as we watch the courts end a woman's right to choose, but that won't save a single life, create a single job, or help a single (or married) woman.  If we believe in the core principles of the democratic party, its commitment to social and economic justice, its commitment to equal rights without regard to race or gender, we do what Edwards did; circular firing squads are neither pretty nor effective.  Senator Clinton has elevated herself and with her campaign, all of us; now it's time to embrace what she stands for, and that is not one hundred years of occupation, the abolition of social security, and the "marry an heiress" safety net.  

    Tell me when there has been a campaign (5.00 / 5) (#60)
    by MarkL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:13:35 PM EST
    that was this close which did not go to the convention. This is NOT sewn up. If it were, Edwards would need to say nothing.

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    He's a Democratic Insider (5.00 / 3) (#74)
    by cdalygo on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:17:53 PM EST
    Is the better way to put it. According to the "insiders" Obama has the nomination and she needs to stand aside. They base this on a "pledged" delegate count created largely by caucuses in primarily red states. It also matches their personal ambitions and  lingering grudges.

    However, the voters disagree.

    That will become more apparent in November.

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    Spare me the "true Democrat" routine (5.00 / 7) (#81)
    by Lysis on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:19:15 PM EST
    It's wonderfully convenient that in your view, what one has to do to be a "true Democrat" perfectly coincides with what you personally want to happen.  

    The reality is that at minimum, a near majority of Democrats want Hillary Clinton to be the nominee, and a significant majority of Democrats want the campaign to continue.

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    Maybe a certain queaziness about (2.00 / 0) (#77)
    by Seth90212 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:18:23 PM EST
    Hillary's perceived appeal to a certain type of demographic. Surely, this did not make Edwards happy. If even Peggy Noonan is excoriating Hillary on this score, how should we expect a liberal dem like Edwards to react? Maybe he's seen enough.

    Peggy Noonan? (5.00 / 5) (#87)
    by pie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:20:20 PM EST
    Reagan's speechwriter?

    Oy.

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    All Peggy (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:26:14 PM EST
    Noonan is doing is helping John McCain win in Nov. Why do so many Obama supporters think she's wonderful I'll never know.

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    Even Peggy Noonan? Repub scribe? (5.00 / 2) (#173)
    by Joan in VA on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:48:42 PM EST
    That makes no sense.

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    When does Peggy Noonan not excoriate Hillary? (5.00 / 2) (#232)
    by Radical Faith on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:11:36 PM EST
    She's always despised the Clintons. She criticizes at every opportunity.

    When I saw her proclaiming on Morning Joe (delivered in grand Peggy-style pompous elocution) that Hillary was playing the race card all I could think of was how extraordinarily hypocritical, given the fact that her most adored Ronald Reagan launched his 1980 presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi.

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    Uh (none / 0) (#114)
    by Steve M on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:29:05 PM EST
    Which demographic do you mean?

    Edwards' BASE?

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    Why Did John Edwards Endorse Obama Today? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Laureola on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:53:58 PM EST
    Uh....because he's a better candidate than Clinton and he wants to unite the party behind him?

    Funny thing is (5.00 / 12) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:55:08 PM EST
    Edwards did not say that. You would have thought he would have.

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    True (5.00 / 5) (#14)
    by Athena on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:57:44 PM EST
    But details don't matter any more - it's just incense and candles all the way to Denver.  

    But yes - Edwards was awfully unpersuasive today.  I swear he exhibited more passion talking about Hillary than Barack.

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    he didn't say Obama (5.00 / 12) (#8)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:55:41 PM EST
    was a better candidate, and more importantly, didn't say Obama would be a better President or better able to beat McCain.

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    I guess this will be our ultimate frustration (5.00 / 5) (#31)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:03:15 PM EST
    it's the same reason that we have encountered numerous times.  Never substantive or based on qualifications.  

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    Makes one wonder if he thinks (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:04:16 PM EST
    Hillary really could pull this off.

    I love watching the repeats today of Hillary's speech last night when she says, "America is worth fighting for..."

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    It was not the most effective endorsemnt (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:54:15 PM EST
    But I think that was due to his concern about being unifying.

    But it's not going to be (5.00 / 4) (#13)
    by pie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:57:37 PM EST
    unifying.

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    Oh I agree (5.00 / 7) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:00:05 PM EST
    He was trying to thread an unthreadable needle.

    I think he should have held his peace. But he did it in away that was an attempt to not be divisive.

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    He picked (5.00 / 7) (#30)
    by pie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:02:41 PM EST
    one over the other.  How could that not be perceived as divisive?

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    Ha. There's divisive and then there's (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by ruffian on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:10:58 PM EST
    Richardson level divisive.  No one will be calling Edwards a Judas tomorrow morning. Except maybe Elizabeth.

    I think it is true that they got seriously worried by the margin of Hillary's victory last night - not because it made her any more likely to be the nominee, but because of the bad story it tells for the GE. Edwards was the best one to start off the Unity campaign.

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    If it tells (5.00 / 2) (#137)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:35:48 PM EST
    a bad story for the ge then why are we even considering nominating him? I'm sorry but I just can't wrap my head around that one. All I hear is "obama can't win the general election" and then everyone tries to paper over his problems.

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    Racial Tension not Created by Primaries (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:52:31 PM EST
    I think whatever racial tensions we have in this country, and I don't doubt we do, may be stirred up by primary events but I don't think they are created by primaries.  Similarly, we may be seeing misogyny (sp?) on display, but I don't think the primaries are creating it.

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    it think that might be it.... (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by p lukasiak on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:20:12 PM EST
    Things have been getting pretty ugly in terms of the racial dynamic in this race -- a lot of the latent/subconscious prejudices were bubbling up, thanks in very large part to Obama's treatment of the concerns of working class voters.  

    so, if I had to come up with a benign reason why Edwards did this in this way, "trying to put a lid on the racial tension that threatens the Party by having The White Guy Who Fights For The Little Guy endorse Obama in the name of party unity would be it.

    At worst, its hubris on Edwards part to think he matters that much...

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    i don't think edwards believes he can (none / 0) (#215)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:02:44 PM EST
    put close pandora's box either. he was pressured by the party elders.

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    The reality is (5.00 / 9) (#21)
    by Steve M on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:00:09 PM EST
    this is a GE endorsement being offered while the primary is still (kinda) going on.  Hence the dissonance.

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    Yep (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:02:06 PM EST
    Fingercuffs, BTD (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Edgar08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:05:01 PM EST
    They keep pulling instead of pushing in and asking for help.

    A child attempts to get free from the toy.

    And this is how Obama will run the country.

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    Do you think his "reward" for this (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Shainzona on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:07:52 PM EST
    endorsement was access to BO's lists?

    I keep hearing how BO is threatening delegates to withhold its list of donors to downticket candidates...and considering the e-mail I just received from Edwards for his college fund (which I repectfully declined because of his endorsement) - it $eem$ like $omething wa$ involved.

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    He's gonna withhold (5.00 / 4) (#64)
    by kredwyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:14:32 PM EST
    lists from down ticket candidates? Wow...that is old-school politics.

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    Welcome to Chicago politics (5.00 / 7) (#69)
    by caseyOR on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:16:06 PM EST
    Seems to me Obama is hoping to create Chicago machine politics on a national scale. Just what we need.

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    There was a group that tried (5.00 / 0) (#82)
    by kredwyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:19:17 PM EST
    something like that a while ago. It was pretty successful for a spell. Then they passed the RICO act...business has gone downhill ever since.

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    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:37:19 PM EST
    more reasons not to vote for him.

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    Tammany Hall the Sequel? (none / 0) (#184)
    by kredwyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:52:04 PM EST
    I don't know if it really is...but there's this really odd sense that something's just not right with this idea...

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    Maybe Edwards sold his list (none / 0) (#73)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:17:51 PM EST
    Bingo. (5.00 / 4) (#90)
    by santarita on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:20:50 PM EST
    Isn't this precisely what Bowers and Stoller were trying to say in their excruciatingly poorly written pieces?  Barack is at the head of a profitable venture and he controls the purse strings.  It's political machine politics.  I've got to give Obama and his marketing people a lot of credit for convincing a lot of people that what they are seeing is something different than what they've seen before.  

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    It's not that different... (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by kredwyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:24:02 PM EST
    and PT Barnum had it right.


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    in six months i wonder how much (none / 0) (#220)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:04:14 PM EST
    money will obama have to contribute.

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    Huh? (none / 0) (#57)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:13:15 PM EST
    Edwards isn't a downticket, he's not running for anything this year...says he's out of politics.


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    Yeah, but... (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by NWHiker on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:22:11 PM EST
    I just got email from him asking for contributions to his new foundation. Needless to say, I won't be sending any and have opted out of any future mailings from him.

    Timing seems coincidental....

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    you won't have to (5.00 / 2) (#139)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:36:09 PM EST
    he's not counting on you. He's counting on all of Obama's supporters. I wonder if Obama's campaign sent out a message about it.

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    I received the email (none / 0) (#162)
    by pie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:44:58 PM EST
    earlier, because I was on the list after sending get well messages to Elizabeth.

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    Not him... (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by kredwyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:27:18 PM EST
    There've been other pieces with regards to indie organizations and how the campaign has been moving large $$ donors away from the independent groups.


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    Have you read dday and tristero (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by eleanora on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:32:50 PM EST
    over at Digby on this? Sounds like all money flowing even to the DNC will somehow be through Obama. I can't understand why anyone would think that's a good idea. I wouldn't like it even if Hillary were the one in charge, too Republican.

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    I can't see how this passes the sniff test... (5.00 / 2) (#153)
    by kredwyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:41:36 PM EST
    I mean from what Stoller was saying the other day, orgs like VoteVet are now considered "inside the beltway" and to be avoided (which makes me want to donate more to them).

    Where groups like ActBlue and others fall, I haven't a clue.

    If a group endorses him, do they get a "green light" to accept funds?

    How isn't this extortion?

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    Act Blue Is Also Being Cut Out From What (5.00 / 2) (#197)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:55:28 PM EST
    I read on the subject. Also on the list was VoteVets. If Obama controls all the funds within the party, he dictates policy for good or ill.  If Obama eliminates or marginalizes the outside groups, he completely controls the message and then there can be no organized opposition. I would never trust any politician with this much power.

     

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    this is the biggest reason (5.00 / 2) (#208)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:00:30 PM EST
    I don't like the power and the idolatry combination.  With Bush given the President all those powers, I do not want someone with that much power in the presidency.  I do not trust that lot with so much power.  

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    You can still donate to the groups... (none / 0) (#212)
    by kredwyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:01:39 PM EST
    to do otherwise would be letting the machine win.

    Isn't this the thing that John Smith railed against in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington?

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    Do you have a list (none / 0) (#217)
    by kredwyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:02:48 PM EST
    of the groups being marginalized?

    I assume that NOW and Planned Parenthood are on it.

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    New Politics? (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:49:33 PM EST
    And Obama is supposed to represent the "new" politics.  Beats me.

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    And the way they will be tracking people (5.00 / 2) (#182)
    by nycstray on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:51:06 PM EST
    is CREEPY.

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    Maybe This Will Help Clear It Up.... (none / 0) (#155)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:42:10 PM EST
    Is this what you noticed? (none / 0) (#226)
    by jawbone on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:07:57 PM EST
    Obama also signed on to Edwards' anti-poverty initiative, which he launched Tuesday with the goal of reducing poverty in the United States by half within 10 years.


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    What value is there in this List (none / 0) (#169)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:47:20 PM EST
    Isn't it made up largely of college students who can only be reached through instant messaging, e-mail, youtube, etc?  


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    Why unify behind a guy who peaked in WI? (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by masslib on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:46:57 PM EST
    This is a BIG mistake.  

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    He's just pissed off (none / 0) (#7)
    by pie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:55:19 PM EST
    half the the primary voters.

    They, at least, voted.  What about the rest who didn't bother?  Who will that favor in November?

    Once McCain and the media have their say...

    So his decision was already made a longtime ago (none / 0) (#11)
    by Saul on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:56:30 PM EST
    I am curious what Elizabeth would say.  Remember the wife of the Gov of CA supported Obama.  I believe Rangel wife's support Obama yet he supports Hilary.  Why can't we know who  Elizabeth supports.

    I've read where they voted for different (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by Shainzona on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:11:46 PM EST
    primary candidates and that he would endorse his choice....therefore, it seems a reasonable conclusion that she supports Clinton.

    I thought it was very shabby of BO to invoke her name in his remarks - his cheap attempt to bring her into this endorsement.  If I were Elizabeth, I would issue a public denial!

    When I think back about my support for Edwards, I realize it took place on the day that she announced that her cancer had returned.  I thought, if she supports this man, so can I.

    I still love her.  Him....well, not so much.

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    I think we will. She is on a mission (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:59:09 PM EST
    re health care.

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    There lots of marital splits on support (none / 0) (#190)
    by cannondaddy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:53:21 PM EST
    the Rangels, the Fowlers here in SC and obviously the Edwards.

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    Over at Politico Ben Smith says (none / 0) (#12)
    by Rhouse on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:57:20 PM EST
    an Obama aide is saying that their pledge to halve poverty in ten years is what brought ( almost put bought down instead) Edwards into the Obama camp.http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Halving_poverty.html
    some interesting comments over there too.

    Obama made a pledge? Did he put it (5.00 / 7) (#16)
    by MarkL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:58:56 PM EST
    in writing?!  Heck, even that wouldn't be enough---he'd say his aides wrote it, later.

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    He'd say "It is not my handwriting (5.00 / 5) (#76)
    by feet on earth on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:18:12 PM EST
    on the pledge, check it against those notes on that questionnaire, they are not mine either"

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    Nice Pledge (5.00 / 6) (#18)
    by Edgar08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:59:26 PM EST
    How're they gonna do that?


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    So what does he think Hillary would do? (5.00 / 14) (#22)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:00:44 PM EST
    Double poverty? What specific plans does Obama have to do this. If they exist he should show them to the voters too.

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    If that's the real reason (5.00 / 10) (#47)
    by shoephone on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:10:41 PM EST
    Edwards endorsed then it's as bogus as it gets. Obama has neither the interest nor the ability to pull off such a result. But then, it would fit in perfectly with all of Obama's other empty words.

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    He did so well in Illinois (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by dianem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:13:04 PM EST
    This argument would be more convincing if Edwards had pointed to specific work that Obama had done that effectively decreased poverty, and if Clinton didn't have a much better record in this.

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    Wow! (5.00 / 5) (#59)
    by Nadai on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:13:27 PM EST
    I wonder why no one else ever thought of reducing poverty.  What a novel idea.

    I hope Edwards got it in writing.

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    Over at Politico... (none / 0) (#19)
    by pie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:59:39 PM EST
    The place that Bush actually gave a shout out to in a press conference with smilin' Mile Allen.

    I swear we've lost it.

    Key Passage (none / 0) (#34)
    by SpinDoctor on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:05:01 PM EST
    I think the following passage makes it clear why Edwards endorsed today:

       SCHIEFFER: You sort of danced around the question when you were on some of the morning shows on Friday about whether or not you're ready to endorse anybody. I'm not going to try to keep on with this. Are you going to endorse anybody at this point?

        Mr. EDWARDS: I might. I don't think it's a big deal, to be honest with you. I think voters are the ones who are speaking in this process. My feeling all along, in addition to what we talked about earlier and me getting out earlier, I hoped would accelerate us having an earlier nominee.

        But my feeling is also that I think that my endorsement or anybody else's endorsement has not particularly helped with the divide. And I think that actually endorsements sometimes make the divide worse.

        And what's important here is not me or who I'm for or who I'd vote for or who I support. What's important is that we get united as a party behind our nominee, that we're successful in November. Because the people that I care the most about, you know, the low-income families in this country, working families, people who are having a hard time, those men and women who are putting their lives on the line in Iraq, they're the ones that matter in this, not some particular candidate or some strategic position that somebody's taken.

    It is apparent that Edwards withdrew from the race believing it would allow the Party to avoid a prolonged nomination battle and give the Democrats a head-start on the general election.  My guess is that Edwards concluded that dragging this nomination cycle out any longer was doing lasting damage to the Party and believed his endorsement, like his withdrawal, would bring the nomination battle to an end and allow the Party to focus on John McCain.  While he did not mention McCain directly, he made it very clear in the interview with Bob Schiffer that it was essential that we have a unified party to ensure success in November.  Implicit is the recognition that Obama, in Edwards opinion, offers the best chance in November.  Obviously most here will disagree.

    Hmmm (5.00 / 4) (#40)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:07:11 PM EST
    your quote does not support your argument but I think your argument is correct in part. But I think the bigger thing was to damp down the WV white working class issue.

    In away, I think this endorsement fails on all fronts. It does not unite. And it makes Kentucky a test for the white working class problem.

    Short term gain for Obama in that he steps on Clinton's WV win but long term loss.

    All in all, I think not a shrewd move.

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    Actually, Obama has a non-african american (5.00 / 5) (#178)
    by masslib on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:50:02 PM EST
    working class problem.  It's not just whites.  It was pronounced in WV because it's an extremely white, working class state.

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    I think it addresses a problem (none / 0) (#80)
    by SpinDoctor on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:18:41 PM EST
    You and I agree that Obama needs to shore up his support among white, working class Democrats.  Certainly Edwards message resonates with this group and thus I cannot see how his endorsement can do anything but help in this regard.  Also, regardless of the endorsement, the narrative going into and out of Kentucky would be about his support among working class whites.  If anything, it shows a recognition by both Edwards and Obama of his weakness and this is a good, first step towards addressing the problem.

    Also, it does nothing to impact the possiblity of Hillary on the ticket.  Edwards has made it clear that he has no desire to be VP.

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    Certainly? (5.00 / 4) (#134)
    by Edgar08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:35:12 PM EST
    I'm not sure I buy it.

    These voters rejected Edwards in 2004.


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    And 2008. (5.00 / 2) (#198)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:55:59 PM EST
    Obama's lack of working class support (5.00 / 6) (#156)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:42:23 PM EST
    is, I believe, indemic to who Obama is and how he thinks.  I do not think you can change this aspect of Obama or the public's perception of it with Edwards' endorsement.  If anything, I would think those in KY and elsewhere who've been intending to vote for Clinton will be annoyed that Obama & Edwards are trying to strong arm them through this endorsement.  

    The herd mentality the Obama supporters appear to be encouraging is something I have not experienced since junior high school, i.e., you are either in with the "in crowd" (on the bandwagon) or you're not out of it.  

    Is the DNC a political party, whose goal is to win elections, or something else?    

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    herd mentality (5.00 / 2) (#223)
    by just victory on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:05:29 PM EST
    Weird, that is exactly what I've been thinking all afternoon. Always trotting out the endorsements: all the cool in-crowd people like me better than YOU. Some endorsements are fine, but he seems to emphasize them so much. It makes him seem weak to me, like he doesn't think he is convincing enough on his own.

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    Obama wants it to be something else. (none / 0) (#201)
    by MarkL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:57:44 PM EST
    Cnn also reported (none / 0) (#157)
    by zfran on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:42:24 PM EST
    that this endorsement was for the SD's so Hillary's win yesterday wouldn't discourage them from supporting him.

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    Actually, it might be a very shrewd move... (none / 0) (#234)
    by cosbo on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:28:10 PM EST
    based on long term results. If Edwards endorsement of Obama was  tepid, then there might be another game afoot.

    My guess is that Clinton might end up winning the nomination based on her very strong argument of battleground states strength. That would probably create an uproar of some sort, I would think. If that pans out, I seriously doubt that Obama would accept the VP spot from Hillary. To unify the party, the next best thing would be to get a high profiler who endorsed Obama as her VP. Maybe he'd do it for the good of his country.

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    But it's ending in three weeks anyway (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by ruffian on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:19:59 PM EST
    If ending it was his goal and he thought he could help, why didn't he do it two months ago?  Doesn't make sense.

    Edwards already believed Obama has the nomination sewn up, and I think he came out now because Obama's flaws were so graphically demonstrated by the WV results that they had to be quickly buried to help Dem chances in the fall.  As others have said, it was as close to a non-endorsement as it could get and still be called an endorsement.

    "Only one man can......". Sounds like he was just saying that of all the men left in the race, Obama is the best.  He's endorsing Obama over Mike Gravel.

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    It is apparent? (1.66 / 3) (#46)
    by pie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:10:16 PM EST
    That's such nonsense.  This is a democracy, in case you've forgotten.

    It's not easy.  Stop your fricking whining about the process.  You diminish all those who have ever fought for a voice.

    Shut up.

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    Excuse me? (none / 0) (#62)
    by SpinDoctor on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:14:02 PM EST
    What are you talking about?  If you are suggesting that Edwards endorsement somehow interferes with the democratic process, then I'm sure you have been offended all primary season as politicians from Evan Bayh to Charlie Crist have come forward to endorse candidates they support.

    By the way, no need to be rude.

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    This (5.00 / 0) (#70)
    by pie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:16:42 PM EST
    My guess is that Edwards concluded that dragging this nomination cycle out any longer was doing lasting damage to the Party

    is bulls**t.

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    In response to BTDs ante argument (none / 0) (#98)
    by Faust on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:23:50 PM EST
    I posed some questions but didn't have time to answer before the thread comments closed.

    My answer to the "Edwards raises the Ante" hypothesis is as follows:

    I think that if Obama can clear 40% Edwards will be vindicated. Obama has rarely crossed this threshold East of the Mississippi among white voters. Certainly not in KY demographics. So IF Edwards actively campaigns for him in KY (I do think some active campaigning will be necessary to do this) AND Obama clears 40%, THEN, in my opinion, this will vindicate that Edwards can influence his supposed base and that Obama's problem is not a "hard" problem.

    Will Edwards campaign actively for Obama? I don't know.  

    Since when does the presumptive (5.00 / 5) (#116)
    by MarkL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:29:49 PM EST
    nominee need someone to rescue him in a primary state at such a late stage?
    This is bizarre.

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    Obama cannot win working-class voters. (5.00 / 4) (#130)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:34:19 PM EST
    If he stops the bleeding a little by throwing John Edwards at Kentucky voters, well, then, doesn't that mean he can't do it on his own?

    That's just sad and pathetic.

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    I think this could backfire in KY. (5.00 / 2) (#138)
    by MarkL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:36:03 PM EST
    Here is an interesting article from Cleveland (none / 0) (#140)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:36:17 PM EST
    Plainer on Appalachia.  Sounds like McCain will win:

    PLAIN DEALER

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    Unity (none / 0) (#110)
    by bison on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:27:43 PM EST
    When should the Party start to pull together?

    When does "the party" (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:29:15 PM EST
    actually become a party again?

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    I'm starting to think (5.00 / 2) (#123)
    by dissenter on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:31:36 PM EST
    NEVER

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    It is a party: lots of clowns (5.00 / 3) (#124)
    by feet on earth on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:31:40 PM EST
    Ya (5.00 / 5) (#131)
    by dissenter on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:34:42 PM EST
    That stand for nothing. I am re registering as an independent. I've been a dem my whole life. I should be sad but strangely, I'm starting to feel liberated from the hypocrisy of this cast of clowns.

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    It's very liberating (5.00 / 4) (#230)
    by Dr Molly on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:10:06 PM EST
    It's funny - just never occurred to me NOT to be a democrat until now. It felt really weird to leave the party, but now it's like totally obvious that it's the right thing to do - belonging to an exclusive political club can be corrupting. And it's extremely liberating to not feel beholden to a GROUP, but instead to your own principles.

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    Hillary is too good (5.00 / 8) (#136)
    by pie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:35:37 PM EST
    of a candidate to give up on (my husband's words just now).

    We are unified here.  :)

    She is worth fighting for in ways that Obama isn't.

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    Yeah (5.00 / 6) (#163)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:45:07 PM EST
    my husband really likes her too. He says he admires her strength and character. He thinks that she's the only candidate out there who could really do the right thing for the country. And this is from a former rush listener, clinton hating republican. All of a sudden, after almost 8 years of Bush, Clinton now looks like a dream. He voted for his first dem for prez in 2004 when he voted for Kerry. If Hillary isn't the nominee, he's been flipping between leaving it blank and voting for McCain.

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    or (none / 0) (#148)
    by CanadianDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:39:26 PM EST
    Edwards for that matter right!!!

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    i need (none / 0) (#146)
    by CanadianDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:38:49 PM EST
    some video of this endorsement, links??

    Go to YouTube and do a search. (none / 0) (#236)
    by FlaDemFem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:53:38 PM EST
    Why should we do your research for you?

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    Which Obama has Edwards been keeping up (none / 0) (#171)
    by Anne on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:47:27 PM EST
    with - the one we've been seeing and hearing out on the trail, the one who's like the political version of Hallmark - a position for every occasion - the one who has failed to lead over and over and over?  The one who all but wrinkles his nose at the idea of campaigning among the ever-shrinking middle class?  Mr. Bored with All That?  That Obama?

    Or has he had a direct line to Obama himself, so that he can be bamboozled one-to-one, so Obama can whisper sweet nothings in his ear?

    For sure, based on what Edwards has said (nearly verbatim in every appearance, which grates on my nerves), he's clearly been on speed-dial with The One himself.

    Ugh.  With a little gack.

    John Edwards Speech (none / 0) (#177)
    by Mrwirez on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:49:47 PM EST
    Already on youtube:  http://tinyurl.com/ygzmhq

    Simply AMAZING

    Didn't John Edward recently (none / 0) (#186)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:52:23 PM EST
    imply Obama wasn't quite ready for prime time; something about needing to flesh out his ideas more?  I can't find the quote.

    shhh... (none / 0) (#199)
    by kredwyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:56:45 PM EST
    the narrative must be kept straight...no deviations...no memory lane treks...

    /s

    Parent

    If McCain is smart, he'll have it (none / 0) (#209)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:00:39 PM EST
    front and center tomorrow.

    Parent
    and how has he done that this week? (none / 0) (#221)
    by diplomatic on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:04:28 PM EST
    I have heard nothing from Obama in a very long time that would qualify as fleshing out specific policy proposals or new ideas.

    It's a lot of "let me eat my waffle" and "hold on sweeties"

    Parent

    Comments now closed (none / 0) (#219)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:04:04 PM EST


    Edwards . . . (none / 0) (#225)
    by Doc Rock on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:07:29 PM EST
    . . . went down a couple of pegs on my ladder today.  

    If you get 7% of the vote ... (none / 0) (#233)
    by bird on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:19:40 PM EST
    over 3 months after you dropped out of the race, you realize that no Democrat is going to win WV.

    Not since 1916 has a Dem lost WV and won the WH.

    Stranger things have happened.

    Maybe a very unique election year - perhaps the first AA or woman to win the Presidency!


    Probably the endorsement (none / 0) (#240)
    by bob h on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:02:15 AM EST
    was withheld until a Time of Maximum Embarrassment for Obama, as the day after West Virginia proved to be.

    edwards as AG? (none / 0) (#242)
    by indesq on Thu May 15, 2008 at 11:09:36 AM EST
    Perhaps Edwards could be the AG under Obama.  can you imagine a more worker friendly enforcement of labor, and health and safety laws?