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Obama Invokes Annie Oakley

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:20:05 PM EST
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Obama on the campaign trail today:

Shame on her," Obama said, echoing one of Clinton's own atacks on him. "Shame on her, she knows better."

"She’s running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsmen, how she values the Second Amendment, she's talking like she's Annie Oakley! Hillary Clinton's out there like she's on the duck blind every Sunday, she's packin' a six shooter! C'mon! She knows better. That's some politics being played by Hillary Clinton. I want to see that picture of her out there in the duck blinds."

Hillary's campaign responds:

Clinton spokesman Phil Singer responded with this statement: "For months, Barack Obama and his campaign have relentlessly attacked Hillary Clinton's character and integrity by using Republican talking points from the 1990s. The shame is his. Sen. Clinton does know better -- she knows better than to condescend and talk down to voters like Senator Obama did."

"Senator Obama’s outburst won't change the fact that he has embraced his characterization of the millions of Americans who live in small towns," he added.

If you get a chance, watch the video of Obama's comments.

Update: Obama doesn't seem to know much about Annie Oakely:

In her life, Annie overcame poverty, mistreatment and physical injury with her determination and strength of character. She played a role in breaking barriers for women with her talent and accomplishments in her sport. She showed great compassion and generosity to orphans, widows and other young women.

Update: Comments now closed, a new and open thread is here.

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    Obama Invokes Annie Oakley | 241 comments (241 topical)
    So the line of defense is (5.00 / 7) (#4)
    by lilburro on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:27:17 PM EST
    not going to be "I'm not an elitist" but rather "we're both elitists!!"  Um...

    Wasn't that the same winning line (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by tree on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:49:03 PM EST
    on the C-I-C thing? I'm not ready but neither is she?

    [ Parent ]
    yes, talk about dragging everyone down into (5.00 / 1) (#233)
    by kangeroo on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:04:48 PM EST
    the mud with you if you can't win--which obama supporters have accused hillary of, so many times before.  i swear, this mirror-begging concept is like a crystal ball:  if obama or his supporters have speciously accused clinton of it, the odds are that he will do it (or already has).  

    [ Parent ]
    His comments are not bitter, sarcastic, belittling (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by TalkRight on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:27:27 PM EST
    because they come from the mouth of Saint Obama..  

    On the video, I watched (5.00 / 5) (#6)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:28:14 PM EST
    He seems so elitist and arrogant while saying that stuff, I don't know about you guys.  But, it does not work for me.  

    Oh, he's likable enough (5.00 / 5) (#212)
    by badger on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:52:03 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Correction (5.00 / 3) (#243)
    by blogtopus on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:17:45 PM EST
    There's nothing Obama has done yet that has been right in his eyes. We still give him a chance to correct himself or make adjustments for his silly sayings, but the kid can't help hisself.

    Addendum: There's nothing Obama can do wrong that can't be blamed on Hillary. Count on it.

    Badger: NICE recall of recent history. Good show.

    [ Parent ]

    i don't find his tone (none / 0) (#50)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:46:09 PM EST
    particularly arrogant.

    [ Parent ]
    would not think you would (none / 0) (#76)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:55:55 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Bitter (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by nell on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:13:33 PM EST
    he sounds bitter, bitter, bitter.

    [ Parent ]
    He sounds bitter? (5.00 / 1) (#209)
    by sas on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:50:28 PM EST
    Say , did he recently come on upon hard times?

    Lose his job?

    Next thing you know he might become religious.

    Or gun-toting.

    Or xenophobic.

    Not like people unlike him.

    Become immigrant hating.

    Be against trade.

    [ Parent ]

    I'll second that-- (none / 0) (#150)
    by Arcadianwind on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:19:33 PM EST
    bitter, bitter, bitter, and clinging to a shallow bitter god!

    [ Parent ]
    Sarcasm doesn't become the UP (5.00 / 3) (#237)
    by marklar on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:10:19 PM EST
    This demeanor recalls a rally he did in Missisippi after Hillary suggested he would make a good VP. He launched into his whole Malcolm X Okee-doke/Bamboozled/Hoodwinked routine, and even threw in a back-of-the-bus reference. You didn't see this unless you happened to be watching c-span that day...it got disappeared I guess. Almost seems like he's on the verge of his own "ridin' dirty" moment. "Annie Oakley, up there on her high horse, takin' pot shots." Unity, out...

    [ Parent ]
    nothing compares to obama saying (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by athyrio on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:28:28 PM EST
    he will cooperate with Creationists...very scary thought...

    Egads, I hope this isn't how he intends.... (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:58:21 PM EST
    ...to improve science education.

    [ Parent ]
    Huh? (none / 0) (#241)
    by jawbone on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:16:23 PM EST
    I missed that--where does he say that? Link? T/u.

    [ Parent ]
    As long as we're being nasty (5.00 / 5) (#8)
    by stillife on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:29:19 PM EST
    I want to see that picture of her out there in the duck blinds.

    I want to see another picture of Obama bowling.

    So this is the politics of hope, change and unity?

    Yeah, I know, it's politics as usual.  The thing that annoys me is that I know that nobody will accuse Obama of being negative, shrill or desperate for saying "Shame on her!" and calling her Annie Oakley.  

    Two for one! (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by LarryInNYC on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:31:46 PM EST
    I want to see that picture of her out there in the duck blinds.

    I want to see another picture of Obama bowling.

    Obama and Clinton duck pin bowling!

    [ Parent ]

    Ahhhh....duck pin bowling. (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by madamab on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:34:20 PM EST
    I remember it from my youth. :-)

    Maybe we CAN have a bowl-off for the nomination!

    [ Parent ]

    Kerry (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by phillhrrll on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:42:24 PM EST
    in the bunny suit was the worst photo ever of a candidate, Dukakis in the tank seems regal by comparison.

    [ Parent ]
    I want to see pics of him with his (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by nycstray on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:06:22 PM EST
    poor African relatives. You know the ones! They give him FO cred.

    And we can go on from there . . .

    [ Parent ]

    the African relatives (5.00 / 2) (#149)
    by bigbay on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:19:16 PM EST
    he let's live in poverty ?

    I'm really surprised no one has called him on that. It should be issue #1 in terms of character.

    I see Mexicans at the Western Union ever Friday sending money home to help their family. Filipino friends who have devoted their lives to bringing everyone over.

    I think Obama sees his African relatives as a good photo op.

    [ Parent ]

    I have wondered about that as well (nt) (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by Cream City on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:24:27 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Have you seen the pictures by the way (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:28:34 PM EST
    They're out there on Republican websites.  We're talking huts, chickens running around, no running water type of environment.  The media silence tells me that it is damaging to him because it's  a serious character issue that works against him.

    [ Parent ]
    are you going to really go down this path.. (none / 0) (#180)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:32:52 PM EST
    you Hillary supporters are taking to bashing his relationship with his african family.  To no end.  To no end.  This race is over... because there are just not enough of you out there.

    [ Parent ]
    no I asked a question (4.00 / 1) (#191)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:39:29 PM EST
    keep that head in the sand if you want.  The rest of us can take a look at reality.

    [ Parent ]
    no, the race is over (none / 0) (#235)
    by Arcadianwind on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:06:13 PM EST
    because of OH-PA-WV-TN-FL-MI-MO, and the people in a few other states.

    [ Parent ]
    OMG, noyoudi'int (5.00 / 2) (#217)
    by LatinoVoter on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:54:11 PM EST
    I've been saying this for months on a people of color forum I participate in, which hasn't won me any African-American fans there.

    Every time I hear him say his grandma lives in a tiny hut with no running water and electricity I want to throw up and wish someone in the media would call him out on it.

    My family that lives outside the US would be living in a "tiny hut with no running water or electricity" if it wasn't for my family that lives here. Somehow people who don't have more than H.S educations and have never made more than 60K their whole lives are able to send money back home and build decent housing for my grandparents. Yet an ivy educated, U.S Senator with two best-selling books, a million dollar home just a few miles from me can't afford to build his grandmother at decent home so she doesn't have to live in that "tiny hut."

    [ Parent ]

    Granny probably doesn't complain (5.00 / 4) (#227)
    by Practically Lactating on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:02:05 PM EST
    because she is happy not to be spending her twilight years under a bus.

    [ Parent ]
    yep (none / 0) (#226)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:00:30 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    NYT headlines Obama turns the tables on (none / 0) (#166)
    by thereyougo on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:24:37 PM EST
    Hillary. I just think he's tired of campaigning. Its the longest campaign he's probably had to endure.

    But now we know who the real candidate of change and unity is. Its not Obama.

    [ Parent ]

    I agree with CNN's John (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by waldenpond on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:32:00 PM EST
    In John's words he came across as 'sarcastic and angry.'  I wonder if John will automatically lose some air time for looking like he was criticizing Obama.

    John King? (none / 0) (#12)
    by MarkL on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:32:29 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I has distracted by TL at the time (none / 0) (#17)
    by Practically Lactating on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:34:50 PM EST
    but he initially said angry and then corrected himself and said maybe it was more sarcastic.

    [ Parent ]
    that's my recollection as well (none / 0) (#35)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:43:29 PM EST
    he modified angry to sarcastic.

    [ Parent ]
    John King... (none / 0) (#39)
    by white n az on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:43:42 PM EST
    has some title like 'Senior Political Reporter' which probably allows him a lot more latitude in terms of commenting without a script...that is unless there are specific marching orders from above.

    [ Parent ]
    Good Grief! (5.00 / 5) (#13)
    by madamab on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:33:22 PM EST
    I think we need another bridle on that Unity Pony. It seems to be running off the cliff at top speed.

    Another Attempt to Leverage CDS (5.00 / 5) (#14)
    by BDB on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:33:54 PM EST
    Look, over there, Hillary Clinton - go get her!  

    All because he was either too proud or too politically stupid to simply admit he misspoke and apologize when his comments first became public.  His inability to put this to bed is more worrisome than the original comments.  

    What I wouldn't give to see what their internal polls are showing (if they have them yet) or the Super Delegates are saying to them because Clinton keeps hitting him and he keeps scrambling to get himself out of this mess.  

     

    Well, I'm a Phoebe Ann Mosely (5.00 / 9) (#18)
    by Cream City on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:37:12 PM EST
    fan, so now Obama has just complimented Clinton -- but he is so ahistorical sometimes, and no doubt knows little of women's history.

    Annie was a remarkable woman, really up from poverty, and she didn't whine about it.  She just continued to work hard, breaking records well into her 60s, and who does that remind us of, hmmm?

    And Annie was a philanthropist for women's rights and many other causes, including the support of many young women whose needs she put before her own.  Still, the tabloid types attempted to smear her -- but found nothing.

    Oh, I think I could script this one for Clinton.  Have fun, Hill!

    The ignorant perception of Annie (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:41:30 PM EST
    is what he portrayed.  Sort of a gun toting backwards woman.  He stepped in this one.  

    [ Parent ]
    The Gift That Keeps Giving... (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by michitucky on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:43:40 PM EST
    She needs to embrace the comparison...Exploit it for all it's worth!!!

    [ Parent ]
    Which brings him right back to where (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Anne on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:47:03 PM EST
    this all started - with the tee-hee-ing and tittering of the moneyed elite in a mansion in San Francisco.

    And he keeps wavering between apologizing and defending; we may need scorecards to figure out which of his many positions is winning.

    [ Parent ]

    She can add some "Annie Oakley" songs (5.00 / 1) (#248)
    by jawbone on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:23:35 PM EST
    to their rally play list!

    I love that someone mentioned "Anything you can do I can do better."

    Just too right!

    Ya know, I actually think Obama did Hillary a favor by briging up Annie Oakley.  If she had ever made such a comparison, the MCM would have done it's usual hatchet job on her, saying she  was bragging or exaggerating her childhood gun lessons.

    Now, however, it's hers to use--Run with it, Hill!

    [ Parent ]

    thanks for that (5.00 / 0) (#48)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:45:59 PM EST
    I'm adding it to the post.

    [ Parent ]
    Except (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:01:34 PM EST
    He was really saying that she is no Annie Oakley, but a fake hunter pandering to hunters.

    Not sure how this will play out, but when Kerry tried to pander to the hunting crowd, it backfired badly.

    But of course IOKIYAR, Cheney is loved by hunters, even if he shoots people in the face. Go Figure.

    [ Parent ]

    But (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by nell on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:15:48 PM EST
    if you read what she actually said, you will understand that she pointed out that her father took her hunting as a little girl so she UNDERSTANDS that hunting is a family thing and not an I-hate-the-world-because-I-am-poor thing. She made it clear that she is not a hunter, but that she had gone hunting as a child.

    [ Parent ]
    Nice Turn Around (1.00 / 0) (#170)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:26:29 PM EST
    "To be frank, Hillary Clinton's stories about her adventures with guns don't exactly pass the smell test," the vice president told host Tim Russert. "If she really wants to show that she knows how to handle a rifle, there's an easy way to do that: meet me in the woods.""Dick Cheney and Hillary in the woods with guns?" President Clinton said at a campaign stop in Pittsburgh. "Boy, I like the sound of that."

    But shortly after the vice president issued his challenge, Sen. Clinton seemed to back off from her earlier claims of hunting experience, saying that she had "misspoke" about her hunting exploits as a child.

    "I fired a gun once, but I didn't like it, and I didn't recoil," she said.


    link

    [ Parent ]
    You're seriously quoting from a piece (none / 0) (#201)
    by RalphB on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:46:21 PM EST
    on HuffPo from a comedian.  When was this supposed Cheney exchange on MTP?  Not today for sure.


    [ Parent ]
    It Was Pretty Funny (1.00 / 0) (#223)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:57:18 PM EST
    If you ask me.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes Today (none / 0) (#238)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:12:32 PM EST
    But not on MTP. It was an exclusive HuffPo satire.

    [ Parent ]
    Looks like sound judgement to me (none / 0) (#260)
    by herb the verb on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 12:08:55 AM EST
    Isn't being asked to hunt with Dick Cheney kind of like being asked to "attend a barbecue with Hannibal Lector at his remote estate", or "fabricate intricate personal gift boxes with Ted Kozinski"?


    [ Parent ]
    Mission UnAccomplished (none / 0) (#134)
    by Regency on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:15:23 PM EST
    He failed clearly.

    [ Parent ]
    Uh, he said she acts like (none / 0) (#169)
    by Cream City on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:26:27 PM EST
    she's Annie Oakley, and I guess it could be parsed your way, but it really takes some pretzeling to do so.  Take some ibuprophen first, okay?

    [ Parent ]
    Yes (none / 0) (#174)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:28:57 PM EST
    Hillary Clinton's out there like she's on the duck blind every Sunday, she's packin' a six shooter! C'mon! She knows better.

    aka ersatz Annie Oakley

    [ Parent ]

    I love it! (-: (none / 0) (#176)
    by thereyougo on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:29:38 PM EST
    when they couldn't shout Hillary out, they give these types of compliments. Ouch, bet that hurt !

    Hillary say "thank you Sen. Obama."

    When it hits them they'll do a DÓ-H! Home Simpson style.

    she turned the table on them!  too funny

    [ Parent ]

    Totally unecessary (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:39:13 PM EST
    Why is Obama even bothering to respond?  The Math guarantees he will be the nominee.  BTD says he will be the nominee.  Can't he just go back to Chicago and relax while the media goes back to asking Hillary to drop out of the race?

    This lashing out is unbecoming of a President.  It's not even close to a good look for him.

    He sounds like a bratty teenager (none / 0) (#25)
    by rooge04 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:41:01 PM EST
    when he reacts this way.

    [ Parent ]
    Totally unnecesary (none / 0) (#71)
    by delacarpa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:54:09 PM EST
    You think! LOL The superdelegates are scrathing their heads why he did this since he was ahead. Go Figure says volumes.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama the attack dog (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by delacarpa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:40:26 PM EST
    He has no choice, he knows whats ahead of him in PA, Indi, and possibly NC.

    strange behavior for a frontrunner (5.00 / 3) (#51)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:46:45 PM EST
    But I think you're right.  Must be frustrating for him.  I can imagine how badly he wants to finish this off in Pennsylvania.  He may do it with the help of the media, but it would be wiser for him to start thinking about earning this nomination from here on out instead of just relying on the media to bail him out.

    [ Parent ]
    strange behavior for a frontrunner (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by delacarpa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:57:38 PM EST
    Not going to finish it off at this rate. Will go to Purto Rica now. Obama and supporters have a few surprises in store for them as to how savy the people are in the upcoming states.

    [ Parent ]
    better yet... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by white n az on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:41:27 PM EST
    let's see Obama knock down a few Boilermakers with the boys...

    ;-)

    Hillary's new ad - Jewel (You Tube Link)

    I was at that event and those (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by RalphB on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:49:02 PM EST
    two elderly ladies were just great.

    [ Parent ]
    that (none / 0) (#216)
    by sas on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:54:04 PM EST
    was fantastic

    [ Parent ]
    not a good edit (none / 0) (#218)
    by boredmpa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:54:58 PM EST
    not to be anal, but someone will jump on the america at the "bottom of the mountain" part where hillary is shown nodding along.  Yes, she was nodding the whole time cause that's generally what people do when someone is speaking fairly slow or telling a personal story, but I woulda cut from a different angle.

    [ Parent ]
    OMG! I'd hoped that would become an ad! (none / 0) (#250)
    by jawbone on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:26:32 PM EST
    I watched video of that event and I nearly cried, but I couldn't stop smiling. It is so feel good and so strong.

    Thanks for posting that link.

    [ Parent ]

    Shame on (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Gossipqueen on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:42:48 PM EST
    You obama, shame on you!

    "She knows better" (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:43:47 PM EST
    I don't know about you but that expression, there is something about it.  

    Obama knows what everyone else knows (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:48:12 PM EST
    Condescescion, lecturing, preaching, elitism... Let's play word association SAT style!

    [ Parent ]
    It's (none / 0) (#154)
    by nell on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:20:35 PM EST
    just like likeable enough...makes my skin crawl.

    [ Parent ]
    It's something you say (none / 0) (#203)
    by kayla on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:47:00 PM EST
    to a small child that has misbehaved.

    [ Parent ]
    Those Darn Clinton Supporters (5.00 / 6) (#49)
    by tdraicer on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:46:03 PM EST
    >Nobody seems to be concerned about this now except desperate Clinton supporters,

    Ah yes, the awful Clinton supporters. Who are only half the Democratic Party. A half that Obama will need in the fall if he gets the nomination. And that his online supporters are doing everything they can to ensure that they don't come out and vote for him. (But if Obama loses to McCain they will blame everyone but themselves-or Obama.)

    It will be all Hillary's fault and they (5.00 / 4) (#86)
    by derridog on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:00:41 PM EST
    will back that up by calling her (and us) more unprintable names. It's all they've got.

    [ Parent ]
    I'M DONE. (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by kenosharick on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:47:40 PM EST
    Last straw. I will not vote for him in Nov. First the vile treatment from his supporters (my comments, no bad language or name calling, are deleted at americabog as they support Clinton)then the rev. wright issue(among others), now his contempt and viciousness towards Hillary are the last straw. I vote in Wis- a state he will need in the Fall; sorry I and many others I have talked to will sit it out.

    You and me in Milwaukee, Kenosha (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by Cream City on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:39:25 PM EST
    as tonight's "faith forum" set him back even more with me.  I keep being told to think of SCOTUS, but I would have to see McCain giving worse answers on the relevant issues than Obama did tonight.  

    And I don't think that McCain would, and that's how bad Obama is.  Those were not answers that accorded with the Democratic platform.  Once again, what I heard tonight was from a third-party candidate simply using the Democratic party to win . . . and then its principles will be out the window.

    [ Parent ]

    i hear you. i just came to that (5.00 / 1) (#246)
    by kangeroo on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:21:05 PM EST
    conclusion myself today, for a long list of reasons.  

    now unlike obamabots, i'm open to (logic- and fact- based) argument and persuasion, but it's gonna be a tough sell because i arrived at this conclusion after resolving to grit my teeth and bear it to pick the "D."  well i'm starting to think that D stands for Duped (or Deceived) and i want none of it.  i no longer harbor any delusions that obama, once elected, would be ANY different from mccain re: scotus.

    even as a democrat who's never voted for a republican (nor ever thought i would), i give up compiling the (endless) excuses and rationalizations and trying to believe he is a democrat for any other reason than that it was his most viable ticket to political fame and fortune.  same goes for his religion.

    [ Parent ]

    I came... (none / 0) (#249)
    by alexei on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:24:02 PM EST
    to that conclusion over MI and FL.  I will write-in Hillary and work against all Obama enablers and that means you Leahy and Welch.  

    [ Parent ]
    Count me along (none / 0) (#213)
    by LHinSeattle on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:52:25 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Our prospective nominee (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Coldblue on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:55:43 PM EST
    sigh

    I don't think we have a freaking chance in November.

    I do---GO HILLARY! (5.00 / 2) (#153)
    by MarkL on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:20:31 PM EST
    The next debate should be good. He has had trouble containing his temper and ego already, and now the pressure is way up. It may get ugly.

    [ Parent ]
    Remember that U.S. gymnastics coach in the 90s? (none / 0) (#123)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:12:32 PM EST
    "You can do it, Hillary! You can dewww it."

    Also, Rob Schneider in his movie cameos does a good version of this.

    [ Parent ]

    How can he be so arrogant (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by Trickster on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:56:21 PM EST
    PRECISELY when he is on public trial for . . . arrogance?

    God help us, he is such an awful candidate.  Yes, he's good with words, and yes he looks fantastic in a suit, but is there anything else at all?

    I used to think he would've made an excellent candidate if he had seasoned himself another 10-12 years first, but now I'm having some pretty serious questions about that.  I think he's just not cut out for this stuff.

    not cut out? (none / 0) (#85)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:00:37 PM EST
    He has one arguably one of the most amazing campaigns in modern political history, like it or not.  He has changed the once inevitable Mrs. Clinton presidency to one that is not.  He is beating (beat) such a supposedly seasoned, experienced pol... but he's not cut out.  "not cut out" Obama is going to be your next presdient.

    [ Parent ]
    Well.. about that... (5.00 / 3) (#126)
    by FlaDemFem on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:13:22 PM EST
    He has one arguably one of the most amazing campaigns in modern political history

    Yes, all noise, flash, rhetoric and very little substance. He has no policies that he can articulate himself, or answer questions about. His resume is padded beyond belief, which has been publicly admitted by the padder, Emil Jones. And he has the gall to castigate the American voter for not seeing things his way. He is not going to be the next President. IF he gets the nomination, he will be dissected by the GOP.

    And since he has said he will not run again if he doesn't win this time, we won't be hearing from him again. Unless he changes his mind, of course. But my instinct tells me that when the GOP gets through with him he won't have a political career anymore. He can make a living being a motivational speaker. Heh.

    [ Parent ]

    He may be our next President (5.00 / 2) (#145)
    by stillife on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:18:28 PM EST
    but the fact that he's run a good campaign (with great help from the MSM) does not guarantee he'll be a good President.  Campaigning is one thing; governing is quite another.  Obama, in his political career, has done far more of the former than of the latter.

    [ Parent ]
    it only looks amazing through the media filter (none / 0) (#128)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:13:31 PM EST
    If he doesn't get the nomination when it's all said and done, it will look even less amazing.

    [ Parent ]
    Ya know.... (none / 0) (#144)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:18:18 PM EST
    "not cut out" Obama is going to be your next presdient.

    I don't find that the least bit reassuring.

    [ Parent ]

    Bush had a good campaign -- actually, two (none / 0) (#198)
    by Cream City on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:43:53 PM EST
    so that argument does not impress me in the least.

    But from what I heard tonight, the idea of Obama as the next president does get a reaction out of me -- as he sounds too much like Bush, the guy we got.

    [ Parent ]

    Someone on one of the Sunday talk shows (none / 0) (#258)
    by jawbone on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:35:10 PM EST
    said that about saying that Obama running a good campaign is the best measure of who would be a good president.

    It was pointed out how well BushBoy's campaigns were run--and how well that worked out for the nation.

    In both cases, it seems to me, BushBoy and Obama were/are fairly unknown politically and therefore the campaign managers could create an image almost out of whole cloth. For both, the MCM (Mainstream Corporate Media) did or have done very little vetting of the two candidates, giving the public very little on which to judge the actual political actions of the two.

    I don't get CNN so missed tonight's program.  Maybe there will be posts and video clips.  

    [ Parent ]

    he can look for the picture of her in a duck blind (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by TheRefugee on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:01:16 PM EST
    I already have the picture of him in Cowboy hat playing farmer Barry.  I already have the picture of the sportsman, the everyman, trying to bowl.  I already know he has exactly three views on guns...ban em, they're good, they're great.  I already have the picture on the tractor.  I already have the picture of the hardhat.  I already have the statement, "I like thai food".  I already have, "I feel at home in midwestern towns because they eat the same food....as what I grew up on (when he was a toddler) he actually grew up on hoi polloi and whatever they eat in Indonesia.  

    He is the gift that keeps on giving and I likes me my presents.  Keep em comin Barry.

    oh no (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Nasarius on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:05:37 PM EST
    I thought you might be joking, but there he is, sitting on a tractor for no apparent reason.

    [ Parent ]
    you ever notice that FARM bills (5.00 / 2) (#257)
    by TheRefugee on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:33:29 PM EST
    are haggled over in Congress but not RANCH bills?  Farming is the generic term for the raising or growing of all foodstocks.

    But here's a funny thing.  I grew up in a farming family.  All of my friends families were/are farmers.  Some were mixed operations, potatoes and cattle, corn and pigs...we all wear cowboy hats...isn't that weird?  When someone asks us about what we do?  We're farmers.  We think of ranchers as rich people down in Texas with 8000 acres of grassland and cattle and horses only.  You ever heard of those rural ranchers of Iowa?  or Kansas?  or Colorado?  Or do hear of those family farms?  Those industrial farms?

    You are a dumb###.  A person isn't judged to be a farmer or a rancher by the hat they where.  Billy Bob in a baseball cap is no different than the Refugee in a cowboy hat..although I didn't want a farmers life so I became something else...but I still have a cowboy hat...and I still have baseball caps.  

    [ Parent ]

    Is it possible? (5.00 / 4) (#88)
    by nellre on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:01:27 PM EST
    Is it possible Obama doesn't understand why what he said was offensive? It would explain his responses... and those of his devoted following.
    It would prove he is out of touch too.

    We have a winner! (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by phat on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:24:33 PM EST
    You pretty much just nailed that. Out of touch is an understatement.

    phat

    [ Parent ]

    Newkindapolitics? (5.00 / 3) (#91)
    by OxyCon on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:02:00 PM EST
    Words, just words.
    Obama is revealing his true self.
    The myth that David Axelrove created is no more.
    The arrogant, egomaniacal, snobbish, petulant Obama is now on display.
    Auch audacity.

    And please (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by rooge04 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:09:40 PM EST
    find the facts. His mother was single for 2 years of his life. They were far from poor.  And they were far from the average American. Most average Americans don't have wealthy oil exec stepdads nor do they go to prep schools NOR do they spend four years of their childhood in foreign nations. That is very particularly upper-middle to wealthy class behavior. The fact that Obama and his supporters (ie YOU) don't see that is part of the problem.

    Traveling overseas, going to prep school and then Harvard is not something any average American usually gets to do.  He had a very elite childhood. Including those two long years his mother was raising him alone.

    huh? (none / 0) (#155)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:21:03 PM EST
    spend four years of their childhood in foreign nations
     

    his parents moved there?

    very particularly upper-middle to wealthy class behavior.

    is this the new argument?  he's from a wealthy family?


    going to prep school

    on a scholarship for god's sake.

    Harvard

    so now you one can't go to Harvard? Hell, i'd love to.  I'm going to make the wild guess that his parent's economic standing did push his application into the accepted pile.  

    [ Parent ]

    Hillary is playing this right (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by IKE on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:18:35 PM EST
    I just hope she doesn't go out there now and put on a silly overall and play dress up like John Kerry.

    Clinton family members too smart for that (none / 0) (#162)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:23:36 PM EST
    too much savvy, too much experience.  That is part of the reason why I haven't counted Hillary out yet.  With Bill and Chelsea by her side, that's a great trio. I think they know how to win.

    [ Parent ]
    Gotta get my 2 cents in here (5.00 / 2) (#148)
    by Molly Pitcher on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:19:14 PM EST
    before I give up for the nite--from too little news to too much:

    "She's running around talking about how this is an insult to sportsmen, how she values the Second Amendment, she's talking like she's Annie Oakley...."

    Does anyone besides me (I may be all alone in this) think that amounts to another of his sexist remarks?  HRC is a woman, so of course, she is just 'running around talking."  I swear--even if my kid does move to Canada if McSame wins, I don't see how I can vote for this prating, prejudiced parrot.

    I said the same thing (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by stillife on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:23:53 PM EST
    somewhere on this thread - I've lost track now, with all the comments.  Annie Oakley was an amazing woman, but I doubt Obama knows that.  I think he was trying to make Hillary look like a little girl dressed up in a cowgirl suit.  Typical condescending b.s. that we've come to expect from him.

    [ Parent ]
    no. (none / 0) (#161)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:23:26 PM EST
    Annie Oakley is a famous gun toting woman.  It is quite possibly the easiest comparison for anything related to woman and guns.  nothing sexist about it.  maybe he should have said Dick Cheney instead (just for laughs) but he's not that quick.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama's revisionist history (5.00 / 2) (#167)
    by Grey on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:24:46 PM EST
    Hillary Clinton's out there like she's on the duck blind every Sunday, she's packin' a six shooter! C'mon! She knows better. That's some politics being played by Hillary Clinton. I want to see that picture of her out there in the duck blinds."

    Aside from the Obama's obvious bittercakes disguised as humor - Clinton specifically said that she was taught how to shoot when she was a kid, but that she was not a hunter and never had been.  Other than that, she said she gets the 2nd Amendment and people have the right to own guns.

    And from this, Obama extrapolated that Clinton talks as though she were "on the duck blind every Sunday"?

    Clinton: "I'm not a hunter."
    Obama: "I want to see that picture of her out there in the duck blinds."

    But she just said!

    Good point (none / 0) (#183)
    by frankly0 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:34:39 PM EST
    You'd think that the media would be all over this, showing how Obama has in his mockery completely distorted what Hillary has said.

    This would give them a great opportunity to demonstrate their capacity for even-handedness.

    Ha Ha, of course. Thought I'd take a moment for a laugh.

    [ Parent ]

    Six Shooters In a Duck Blind? (5.00 / 5) (#199)
    by BDB on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:44:22 PM EST
    WTF is Obama talking about?  Nobody uses six shooters in a duck blind.  

    Annie Oakley isn't the only think he doesn't know very much about.

    I have to say, given all the support he's gotten from the Blogger Boyz, I'm not surprised Obama finally turned into a concern troll.  

    And trying to deflect criticism by accusing your opponent of playing politics?  Hmm, I wonder where Obama learned that trick.  What was that about right-wing talking points again, Barack?

    Obama's a real charming guy. I understand (5.00 / 1) (#234)
    by tigercourse on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:05:39 PM EST
    that he's trying (and probably doing a good job of it) to change the subject from his having called rural Americans a bunch of bitter racists.

    I'm gonna find it pretty funny to watch Obama try to belittle the guy who spent 5 years getting tortured.

    There he goes clinging to bitter sarcasm (4.88 / 9) (#3)
    by Practically Lactating on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:26:57 PM EST
    when he is feeling down. Bitterness can be a good thing though, so I hope no one will misconstrue my words because I have done more than anyone to defend monstrous attacks on Barack Obama.

    And is it just me, or is he (5.00 / 6) (#26)
    by Anne on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:41:08 PM EST
    starting to sound, well, a little shrill?  A tad panicked?  Can pouting and foot stomping be far behind?

    I can't believe anyone thinks this man is ready to be president.

    [ Parent ]

    It comes (5.00 / 5) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:43:36 PM EST
    off as panicked to me. Besides, does he not know of any other woman who has shot a gun in the last 100 years? Annie Oakley? LOL!

    [ Parent ]
    And there's so much parody potential there... (5.00 / 4) (#54)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:48:11 PM EST
    ...in the previous thread Kathy hilariously reminded us of Doris Day in Annie get your gun.

    [ Parent ]
    Okay here's a perfect scene from... (5.00 / 9) (#66)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:52:42 PM EST
    Annie get your gun with Betty Hutton and Howard Keel.

    Yes I can. Yes I can. Yes I can.

    [ Parent ]

    Awesome. So on topic!! (5.00 / 0) (#118)
    by ghost2 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:10:36 PM EST
    great.  thanks.

    [ Parent ]
    divine (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by boredmpa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:35:15 PM EST
    That would make the best background for a clinton/obama montage

    [ Parent ]
    Wasn't Doris Day. It was Betty Hutton. I saw it (none / 0) (#63)
    by derridog on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:52:06 PM EST
    on my sixth birthday.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes I mispoke...lol...... (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:56:24 PM EST
    ....or was I misconstrued? Actually Doris Day was Calamity Jane.

    [ Parent ]
    Don't make me sing (none / 0) (#67)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:52:47 PM EST
    Trust me...you wouldn't like it if I sung.

    [ Parent ]
    Let's all sing the chorus -- (5.00 / 4) (#159)
    by Cream City on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:22:32 PM EST
    Anything you can do, Senator Obama, she can do better.

    Yes, she can.

    Oh, did he pick the perfect woman in history as a comparate?  I can just see the buttons and bumper stickers that the Clinton staffers can hand out now.

    [ Parent ]

    I Support Annie Oakley (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by LHinSeattle on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:43:24 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Calamity Jane! (none / 0) (#69)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:53:34 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I just have to say the Doris Day movie to (none / 0) (#220)
    by gish720 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:55:05 PM EST
    which Kathy referred is Calamity Jane...I'm a terrible movie junkie! Still I know what she meant.

    [ Parent ]
    Periodically, when he's feeling (5.00 / 4) (#44)
    by rooge04 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 09:45:00 PM EST
    down, Obama launches attacks as a way to boost his appeal.

    [ Parent ]
    Amazing! (5.00 / 2) (#194)
    by felizarte on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:40:58 PM EST
    He insults many people with his "bitter" characterization and Clinton should be the one shamed?!!!

    I agree:  he is panicked almost tantrum like.  At least he is revealing more of his self behind the mask.

    [ Parent ]

    Maybe Not So Many (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by squeaky on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:46:38 PM EST
    As you would think. Here is the opinion of one of the bitter people that Obama was talking about:

    "I don't think he put his brain in gear before he engaged his mouth," Little said. "But he apologized. ... I think he has the right ideas, and I like hearing him talk. I put him in sort of the same mold as the Kennedys, JFK and Bobby."

    [snip]

    Still, in more than a dozen interviews here, even conservative Republicans couldn't muster the sort of outrage over Obama's remarks that Clinton backers were expressing Sunday.

    link

    Teflon for sure

    [ Parent ]

    Though your anecdote is fascinating, (none / 0) (#211)
    by Practically Lactating on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:51:57 PM EST
    I'm going to let the voters of upcoming states weigh in.

    As for the Rethugs, of course they aren't outraged. This is like Christmas morning an