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Iowa Caucus Open Thread

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:00:13 PM EST
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For some reason, NONE of the networks reported the entrance poll other than to say that Clinton and Obama leading with Edwards trailing. The actual results of the entrance poll results never were given.

I have no idea why. As for the actual results, they have shown a three way tie with 40 A 4 point Obama lead in a close 3 way race with close to 69% of the precincts reporting.

Right now I must admit I have no idea what is going on or what has happened. The reporting tonight has been as bad as I have ever sen it. Not excepting Keith Olberman.

Huckabee wins NBC says. Due to the tightness of the Dem race and the size of Huckabee's victory, it turns out Huckabee becomes a bigger story than one would have thought.

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    MSM (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:16:10 PM EST
    And the MSM is terrible.  I have to watch Tweety to see Olbermann?  Bill Bennett has been resurrected and is on CNN?  I thought his career ended in a casino in Vegas.

    I never watch the news and now I'm remembering why.  These people are awful.  

    Bill Richardson gets into the Dem pie chart with 2%, but Ron Paul doesn't rate on the Rep. pie chart with 11% (h/t Atrios).

    Exception - Bill Schneider.

    MSNBC (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:21:38 PM EST
    Again reporting that exit polls show Obama leads, Clinton and Edwards fighting for second.

    And I fricking hate Chris Matthews.

    That is all.

    CNN at 9:00 (none / 0) (#1)
    by commissar on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:05:17 PM EST
    Obama 33, Clinton & Edwards at 32.

    I am hoping that Edwards' rural counties reported early and that the crowded city caucuses are straggling. Just my hopeful interpretation.

    But turnout is huge. The 130,000 number, whatever it was, is going  to be blown away.

    Will there be a (none / 0) (#2)
    by kj on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:06:02 PM EST
    breakout?  Or is this truly going to go down the wire?  

    I hope it does go down to the wire.  Bring out the sharp edges.

    45% #s remain the same (none / 0) (#3)
    by kj on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:07:15 PM EST


    and Obama breaks! (none / 0) (#4)
    by kj on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:08:12 PM EST
    34  O
    32  E
    31  C

    I thought Edwards (none / 0) (#5)
    by kj on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:09:32 PM EST
    was going to tweak out Iowa, but think I was dead wrong.

    Richardson supporters switching en masse to Obama (none / 0) (#6)
    by Aaron on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:11:53 PM EST
    The Deal Was for Real (UPDATED)


    Richardson = Liar (none / 0) (#8)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:13:25 PM EST
    No surprise, but there it is.

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    the deal? (none / 0) (#10)
    by commissar on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:17:45 PM EST
    the post at TNR has more "nuance."

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    RNC Gives Its November 2008 Talking Points (none / 0) (#7)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:12:42 PM EST
    Here's what the RNC Chair just said they will use against each Dem in November 2008:

    Hillary Clinton - it's about trust
    Barack Obama - it's about experience
    John Edwards - It's about hypocrisy

    Good to see them planning on taking the high road.

    Oh, and Republicans are on a roll!

    Does anyone know where there's a map that shows where the Iowa precincts that have reported are located?

    Obama a 35% (none / 0) (#11)
    by kj on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:19:17 PM EST
    with 62% prec reporting, but no numbers for Edwards or Hillary on CNN's home page?

    Iowa Dem. Party (none / 0) (#13)
    by mindfulmission on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:23:25 PM EST
    The Iowa Democratic Party's site is working and appears up-to-date. (hat tip Kos)

    Thanks! / (none / 0) (#15)
    by kj on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:24:45 PM EST


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    68% in (none / 0) (#14)
    by kj on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:23:42 PM EST
    Guess they're going to run out the clock, I mean, percentages...  

    MSNBC makes a call. (none / 0) (#16)
    by commissar on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:27:30 PM EST
    9:25 - MSNBC CALLS IT FOR OBAMA.

    so "change" (none / 0) (#19)
    by kj on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:30:39 PM EST
    is the answer for Iowa.

    Will be a scrabble race now, interesting to see what Hillary pulls out for New Hampshire.

    I am sad about Edwards, I wanted him to win Iowa, he needed it.

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    Huckabee (none / 0) (#17)
    by kj on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:27:56 PM EST
    it is sport in with some of my sibs to predict tickets.  brother couldn't come up with a veep for the republicans last summer, i suggested Huckabee.  we laughed, it was so funny.  ???!!!

    NBC: Obama Wins (none / 0) (#18)
    by mindfulmission on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:28:08 PM EST
    NBC just called it for Obama.

    CNN Projects Obama (none / 0) (#20)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:30:49 PM EST
    Close, but it looks like Obama takes it.

    I wonder if the closeness means that Huckabee will be the big story.  Or whether the Clinton and Edwards MSM hate will lead them to try to anoint Obama and bury Clinton and Edwards.

    Iowans hate division.  Does New Hampshire and other states feel the same way?  Guess we'll find out.

    I can't watch (none / 0) (#22)
    by kj on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:34:34 PM EST
    corporate media, would sooner pull out my eyeballs.   but i bet you're right, Huckabee will be the story (oh, what a story, "Just Folks Huck" from the South via "Mitt Richie Rich") and the Dems mostly ignored.  which is fine by me.  the less media spin, the better.

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    Do you BELIEVE now AMERICA?? (none / 0) (#21)
    by Aaron on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:32:51 PM EST
    Obama 08, the People's choice.  

    I will attest, the taste of victory is sweet. (5.00 / 0) (#24)
    by Aaron on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:42:52 PM EST
    Respects and commiserations to all of you who support other Democrats, I submit that this was a victory for all of us, a victory for democracy.

    So stand tall, and hold your heads high, and be proud of America, most especially the people of Iowa on this day.

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    Easy, big fella (none / 0) (#25)
    by DA in LA on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:45:12 PM EST
    It was a caucus of a couple hundred thousand people.

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    No (none / 0) (#23)
    by DA in LA on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:37:04 PM EST


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    Tired of the MSM? (none / 0) (#26)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 08:53:06 PM EST
    C-Span is showing the debate on resolutions to be sent to the County Platform Committee.

    That is much more interesting than the horse race itself or the talking heads yammering away.  I'd much rather hear what real people think is important than watch some idiot like Tweety try to tell me what is important.

    FWIW.

    Bicycles on county roads, though? (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 09:31:22 PM EST


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    Oh yeah. (none / 0) (#33)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:42:44 PM EST
    That doesn't surprise me at all.  Most of my friends back in Des Moines are serious, hard-core bike riders.

    It is pretty silly that you can't get a group of people together and ride.  

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    I just found it amusing it was on national (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:51:22 PM EST
    TV from some room at Roosevelt H.S. in Des Moines.

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    Grassroot politics (none / 0) (#35)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 08:36:30 AM EST
    at its finest, no?

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    I found it interesting, as the (none / 0) (#36)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 10:51:10 AM EST
    person who fronted the idea spoke well, then the issue of public entities being shielded from liability for all accidents involving non-motorized conveyances came up.  Kind of detailed.  Of course, I would like to know what happened later.

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    I found it interesting, as the (none / 0) (#37)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 10:51:23 AM EST
    person who fronted the idea spoke well, then the issue of public entities being shielded from liability for all accidents involving non-motorized conveyances came up.  Kind of detailed.  Of course, I would like to know what happened later.

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    Ron Paul (none / 0) (#27)
    by Alien Abductee on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 09:04:50 PM EST
    TPM:

    Seems Ron Paul has pretty much smoked Rudy in Iowa. With about 2/3 reporting, Paul's got about 10% and Rudy's bringing up the rear with a healthy 4%.

    Will Fox let him debate?
    No (none / 0) (#29)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 09:20:30 PM EST
    And this leads to a possible third-party run.  Heh.

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    Almost as much fun as (none / 0) (#30)
    by Alien Abductee on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 09:29:27 PM EST
    Huckabee winning Iowa. I love it.

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    Huckabee Scares Me (none / 0) (#32)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 09:46:16 PM EST
    Not because I fear him, but because I fear a McCain resurgence.  

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    Report precincts, 70, 71, 72 Merrill Middle School (none / 0) (#28)
    by Aaron on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 09:20:22 PM EST
    Des Moines Iowa

    If you were watching CNN tonight, this was one of the caucuses you got to see, the guy who gave the Edwards speech talked about fighting, and the Black woman who gave the Obama speech got a few boos from the other camps for her firebrand approach.

    My brother Lincoln Brown attended this caucus, and he said that from the get go Obama had 30%.  He said there were between 2000 and 3000 people there Democrat and Republican. When he got there, five minutes before it started, there were 120 Democrats still in line waiting to register.

    There were 400 people in his Precinct 71, and he talked to three undecideds.  The Joe Biden people got divided up between between the Richardson and Clinton people.

    Here's the final breakdown for his precinct, 71

    Obama -- 3 delegates

    Clinton -- 2 delegates

    Edwards -- 1 delegate

    Richardson -- 1 delegate

    He told me that there were no political operatives there, just good Iowans who wanted to do the right thing for their state and their country.

    He caucused for Obama of course, because he's my little brother and I worked on convincing him for about a year.  Last time around he caucused for Edwards.

    Obama 08, I believe.  

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