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The Importance of Information In A Democracy

Watching Al Gore discuss the importance of reasoned discourse in a democracy, it strikes me that our earlier discussion on Hugo Chavez and the closing of a privately owned television station critical of the Chavez government was missing some key understandings.

Gore argues for reasoned discourse, but he implicitly assumes that our current media structure may be capable of delivering the information necessary to forwarding that discourse. Is this true? An open question.

What is not an open question in my view is that a government, any government, Left or Right, can be granted the power to shut down media outlets because it is critical of that government.

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Back in 2004, I debated Al Giordano, an independent journalist working in South America, about the importance of a free media and other related matters for a functioning democracy. Not surprisingly, Venezuela was central to our discussion. I propounded this theory of democracy:

First a quote to give you my starting point:
It is an interesting and somewhat surprising fact of the modern world that liberal democracy has become the single most accepted model for organizing and controlling state power. Democracy has been consolidated (albeit in significantly impaired versions) in North America, Western Europe, Australia, large parts of Latin America, and in important parts of Asia. In Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, the governments formed in the aftermath of Communism have committed themselves, with varying degrees of sincerity, to the establishment of liberal democratic institutions. Even in South Africa, the two sides of a bitterly contested racial divide have agreed on the desirability of liberal democracy as the most appropriate means for constituting political power and resolving conflict.

Schumpeter's theory of democracy as a competition among elites has influenced several generations of political scientists, but this book is the first to show that Schumpeter also conceived of democracy as a powerful transformative tendency leading toward the establishment of democratic socialism. Deploring this prospect, he theorized elite-dominated forms of society in which democratic change could be reined in.

The contrasts between the two perspectives are striking. The neglected transformative view, which this book expounds, stressed the importance of democratic beliefs and ideology, whereas the elite conception minimized their significance. The transformative perspective highlighted the radicalizing, dynamic effects of movements that attempt to realize democratic values and act upon democratic ideologies, while the better-known elite model depicted democracy in static terms and as institutionally stable.



Despite the sharp contrasts, both perspectives were part of Schumpeter's complex and deeply conservative response to political change in his lifetime. Precisely because he viewed democracy as a potent transformative social force, he labored strenuously to theorize a form of society in which elites could restrain the pace and nature of democratic change."

The POTENTIAL transformative nature of democracy as an institution will be my theme.

Let me start with first principles - In its simplest terms, democracy is government by consent of the majority. In the past, "majority" has been the point of contention - as citizenship, who was and who wasn't, was the major battleground.

With the end of slavery, women's suffrage, the One man one vote decision, and other developments, I'd like to think that, at least in principle, that debate is over.

However, the debate of insuring and allowing access for the exercise of the right to vote remains, both in practical and theoretical terms.

Campaign finance, voter registration laws, ballot access issues, IRV, etc., are the conventional manifestations of this discussion. And these issues are important. But I am going to gloss these over right now as I feel that a consensus is building on many issues - IRV a notable exception.

The larger issue, and one that I believe is central to your [Al Giordano's] approach is the importance of the Marxist perspective (not in the conventional political action sense, but rather in the interpretive sense) of the questions of control of the means of production (call it economic power as a short hand). My distillation of your position, and correct me if I am wrong, is that absent equitable economic power among the competing social forces, a true democracy is not achievable.

Let me fudge this issue. At its core, it seems hardly arguable. No question that some measure of levelling is required to achieve true democracy. In our own country, we did not achieve a more authentic democracy until the rise of Jacksonian politics, which largely stemmed from the levelling, or more accurately, the diffusion of economic power.

So, as a principle, we agree. We likely disagree with regard to the EXTENT of levelling required to achieve authentic democratic institutions. Here are my thoughts -

(1) The degree of diffusion of economic power necessary to create authentic democratic institutions is that which insures that citizens have a legitimate opportunity to express their views and defend their interests. For me, that means having the right to vote in an informed manner.

What does this encompass? (a) Access to the ballot. (b) Access to information regarding the political choices presented. Do I mean perfect information? Of course not. But I do mean a fair opportunity to assess the choice presented. © access to political choices that can address their social interests. Again, this does not mean that certain candidates must have a chance to win - just that citizens should have a chance to vote fo someone who they think best speaks for them.

A is not controversial.

B is one of the central problems facing our democracy. I'll explain in a subsequent post.

C, to me at least, is NOT a problem in the United States. And that conclusion will require a detailed explanation that I will offer in a subsequent post.

(2) Once the conditions described above are met, my idea of democracy has no guaranteed outcomes. If the people choose, retrograde policies, so be it. If they choose socialist policies so be it. As long as the policies DO NOT impair the condition I describe above, anything goes.

(3) What of the minority? The loser in the electoral process. What guarantees do they have? I have strong opinions on this. And my conception of democracy would absolutely entail protection of minority rights. But that is a policy choice. Again, to me, the only restriction on policy is the preservation of the conditions described in 1 above.

I added this on the issue of information access:

First the question of information - A difficult issue, but one that has clearly become problematic in the United States.

One of the problems that has been oft mentioned is the concentration of Media power. I wasn't one to take that point too seriously. My view was that the problem wasn't concentration but rather competence.

On second thought, I have revised that view. Because I was equating the concentration threat with deliberate slanting of the news, I missed the larger point that whatever the cause of the failing, the fact of concentration exacerbates that failing.

This is a sea change for me, and one that produces great tension between the tenets of the First Amendment and the problems of market concentration.

Unlike most, it is my policy preference to extend First Amendment protections fully to all forms of Media. The distinction between prnt media and electronic media is unconvincing to me. Further, with the broadening of the electronic media potential, it is even mroe difficult to make the distinction.

This tension leaves me, at this time, a bit short on solutions. I don't think much of the Fairness Doctrine nor on restrictions on station ownership. So, I'm without solution right now but I recognize the problem.

Al responded, in part:

I start with "access to information" because it gets close to what I think is at the core of the problems with U.S. "democracy."

Of course, we are speaking here of the mass Commercial Media's total dominance of the airwaves - TV and radio - as people spend far more time watching or listening to broadcast media as they do reading newspapers. (I'll put aside the challenges/opportunities/perils of the Internet for later in the thread to stay focused on this question of broadcast media.)

I don't think "access to information" is enough. The act of receiving information is more passive than active, even if we go looking for that information. We must also speak of "access to the microphone," to the ability of all citizens, not just those with expendable cash, to be able to speak through the broadcast media, not merely receive it passively.

Venezuela's Bolivarian Constitution of 1999 is the first in the world to guarantee this right to the citizenry. As a result, there are already 85 Community TV and Radio stations throughout the country, by law not affiliated with any political party or religion (although all have access to them), non-profit, and governed democratically by members of the community or neighborhood from where they broadcast.

You don't hear any talk of this important advance in the U.S. broadcast media for obvious reasons... because these micro-radio and micro-TV stations have taken a significant chunk of viewers-listeners and credibility from the Commercial Media in Venezuela.

Interestingly, it was the participation by the Commercial Media in stoking the violent coup d'etat of April 2002 that sent so many people running to their Community Media stations during those Three Days that Shook the Media and caused the Community Media movement to explode in Venezuela.

And this largely explains why, in spite of the fact that the big national centralized media continues to be totally one-sided in promoting the recall of President Hugo Chavez, that Chavez's numbers keep climbing and he is now ahead in the polls.

Frankly, we need this kind of Community Media in the United States, one that doesn't answer to the "laws of the marketplace" but rather to the needs and desires of the people not only to receive information, but to give their own.

Had there been this kind of Community Media in the United States in November 2000 my guess is that there would have been no way the January 2001 inauguration of an illegitimate president would have been possible.

But what we have in the U.S. is a Commercial Media that considers its first priority to maintain profitable business, and therefore snuff out any revolt or dissent before it grows large enough to change things on a large scale. The Commercial Media in the U.S. from the moment of the Florida projections on election night right through to the inauguration created an environment in which even Al Gore shrugged his shoulders and declined to fight the imposed, corrupted, "results."

Democracy, say I, is impossible under such conditions, and we have a fresh example from just four years ago.

Which is why I always find it funny, if also frustrating, when people lay claims of "authoritarian" at Chavez's feet, because his country and his Constitution have finally solved the problem of both letting the big Commercial Media entities say and do whatever they want but also to allow the voices from below to speak.

In otherwords, "access to information" is not just about eyes and ears, but also mouths and tongues. It is access to give as well as to receive. And without it, democracy is dying in the United States.

Specifcally on the issue of Media ownership, Al responded:

Armando writes:

Unlike most, it is my policy preference to extend First Amendment protections fully to all forms of Media. The distinction between prnt media and electronic media is unconvincing to me. Further, with the broadening of the electronic media potential, it is even mroe difficult to make the distinction.
This tension leaves me, at this time, a bit short on solutions. I don't think much of the Fairness Doctrine nor on restrictions on station ownership. So, I'm without solution right now but I recognize the problem.

Now, "if I had my way I would tear this old building down!"

But I realistically don't expect to get my way unless I get a microphone big enough to convince a critical mass of people, in terms of FDR style busting up of media monopolies.

What fascinates me about the Venezuelan solution is that it sidesteps the question of busting up Big Media and instead bolsters the alternative from below: the small scale, Jeffersonian, decentralized media.

The airwaves - as an attorney you know this - are, at least on paper, public property. They are leased, not owned. I think those who use them should pay rent according to the size of their terrain or reach of their broadcast signal.

And I think that "rent money" (call it an airwaves tax if you look) should be targeted toward helping local citizens start small scale TV and radio stations in their own towns and neighborhoods.

Here is where the First Amendment starts to bleed into the Second Amendment right to bear arms: guns are already inferior weapons to cameras, microphones, printing presses and, yes, keypads.

But these techno-toys are expensive. Not all can afford them. Not all are educated to write or type proficiently. So the upper classes have all the "guns" now in the info-wars.

Another of the great advances of the Venezuelan Community TV and Radio stations is the sheer volume of poor and working folk who otherwise can't afford a video camera or a minidisk recorder to have access to them, to become trained in their use ("gun safety!") and to therefore be able to defend themselves, their loved ones, their children, their neighbors, from crime and attack.

Some of these people, like my colleague and Narco News School of Authentic Journalism professor Blanca Eekhout, started out that way: just an unarmed citizen who through her local Community TV station in the Caracas neighborhood of Catia learned how to use these weapons, and had a natural-born skill at it... I came across Blanca in June 2002 during the weekly program "Alo Presidente!" when Chavez broadcasts, each Sunday, to the nation. And for the first time he publicly recognized the heroic work of the Community TV and Radio stations, inviting their reporters into the studio audience... and Blanca was suddenly thrust from the role of local neighborhood reporter to co-EmCeeing the national TV program on the public TV station with her nation's president.

Today, two years later, Blanca is now the director of the national public TV station.

Without that Community TV station in her neighborhood, though, she would have never achieved the skills she so obviously has the talent to use in order to gain that kind of access to participate in her democracy. And having come up that way, she dedicates so much of her job now to bringing so many others up with her. Oh, how different she is than any TV station official I've ever met in the United States (and I have met many) who rose up through an entirely different set of conditions driven not by the audience, but, rather, by the advertisers seeking a certain kind of audience... an audience with expendable cash.

And in the United States, the situation is even worse with PBS public television and NPR public radio, because the dependency on fundraising and pledge drives forces them to suck up to people with expendable cash and exclude the masses in the process.

My reply:

Yes, that is the doctrine. As policy, I don't much like it. Moreover, the existing problem of preexisting rights and licenses sort of makes it a fallacy. As I said, the Community Media idea is intriguing, but not necessary for authentic democracy.

Moreover, despite your vivid descriptions, I'm a skeptic. At the end of the day, the government is always ultimately in control.

That's why the First Amendment concerns are so paramount to me. I believe that authentic democracy does have a private sector component - a free press.

Our problem now is we do not have a responsible press, and that's my conundrum - a public policy that maximizes the chances of insuring a responsible press.

I think the debate interesting. Read the whole thread if you are further interested.

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    Hmm (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Tue May 29, 2007 at 08:18:12 PM EST
    I'm presonally in favor of ownership caps. If there are three TV stations in a city, two of them shouldn't belong to one company, even if 85% of the people have cable. The poorest should have the ability to access the same ecosystem of information as everyone else.

    I just got Gore's book in the mail today and so I'm going to dive in. He's pretty close to the top of my list of people I'd like to be President, but I wasn't too happy with the rationalization of the blank check that he gave on Countdown this evening.  

    from the apologia's for Chavez shutting down dissent.

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    Sure (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Tue May 29, 2007 at 08:53:53 PM EST
    Chavez seems to be an obvious thug.

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    Chavez (none / 0) (#7)
    by talex on Tue May 29, 2007 at 09:16:44 PM EST
    was becoming a darling of the Left in the US. But now he is crossing the line so far that I am not even sure if he could get support from the Far Left, Socialists or anyone else in this country.

    Well maybe Bush would like his latest move come to think of it.

    If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator - Bush, 12/2000.


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    RCTV was a coup co-conspirator, (none / 0) (#18)
    by fairleft on Tue May 29, 2007 at 11:46:54 PM EST
    among other criminal acts, and obviously would be disqualified in any country to own access to the public airwaves. Nevertheless, I understand BTD and your high-minded ideals about how free the televised mass media should be. But Venezuela should not be condemned for not meeting standards of freedom higher than any Western country.

    Here is a description of the media landscape after that television license is sold to a non-criminal media organization:

    ...Greg Wilpert, a sociologist living in Venezuela, declares, "It is the height of absurdity to say that there's a lack of freedom of press in Venezuela."

    Of the top four private TV stations, three air mostly entertainment and one, Globovisión, is a 24-hours news channel. On Globovisión, Wilpert says, "the opposition is very present. They pretty much dominate it. And in the others, they certainly are very present in the news segments."

    Regarding the print media, Wilpert told me, "There are three main newspapers. Of those three, two are definitely very opposition. The other one is pretty neutral. I would say, [the opposition] certainly dominates the print media by far. There's no doubt about that." ...

    The RCTV case is not about censorship of political opinion. It is about the government, through a flawed process, declining to renew a broadcast license to a company that would not get a license in other democracies, including the United States. In fact, it is frankly amazing that this company has been allowed to broadcast for 5 years after the coup, and that the Chávez government waited until its license expired to end its use of the public airwaves.



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    How Timely (none / 0) (#2)
    by talex on Tue May 29, 2007 at 08:32:36 PM EST
    In otherwords, "access to information" is not just about eyes and ears, but also mouths and tongues. It is access to give as well as to receive. And without it, democracy is dying in the United States.

    Given some of the discussions and comments made here today that quote is very timely indeed.


    Someone cut off your tongue? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 29, 2007 at 08:38:30 PM EST
    I think you not worht listening to. My ears.

    My mouth gets to say that.

    BTW, you can say the same about me.

    Of course, you can invite me to leave as well but that would be rather pointless.

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    I Wouldn't (none / 0) (#6)
    by talex on Tue May 29, 2007 at 09:10:32 PM EST
    ask you to leave. That would be against my Democratic principles. Principles that are clearly foreign to you.

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    I ask you again to leave (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 29, 2007 at 10:34:29 PM EST
    Feel free to ask the same of me.

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    Keep Asking (none / 0) (#17)
    by talex on Tue May 29, 2007 at 11:12:39 PM EST
    I'm lovin' it!

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    He's obviously here to be as (none / 0) (#8)
    by Edger on Tue May 29, 2007 at 09:32:42 PM EST
    substanceless and annoying as possible, and by example give the multiple contradictory positions he takes as bad a rep as possible.

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    Well (none / 0) (#9)
    by Edger on Tue May 29, 2007 at 09:48:44 PM EST
    Gore argues for reasoned discourse, but he implicitly assumes that our current media structure may be capable of delivering the information necessary to forwarding that discourse. Is this true?
    I don't know if Gore assumes it or not, but I think that with the consolidation of control over most MSM into so few hands in the past two and a half decades it is very unlikely that they are even interested in 'forwarding that discourse'. Combining that with the volume of information that must be sifted to enable informed decisions and the (to me) obvious fact that that volume cannot be reduced to soundbites, makes reasoned discourse on, for example, foreign policy, nearly impossible except between a very few, IMO.

    OR (none / 0) (#10)
    by Edger on Tue May 29, 2007 at 09:52:44 PM EST
    Much 'reasoned discourse' may be taking place, but proceeding from invalid premises because of lack of reliable information with depth from media, and leading to false conclusions.

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    The larger problem... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Dadler on Tue May 29, 2007 at 09:59:48 PM EST
    ...is that our entire society is based on mall shopping and trinkets, material satisfaction and consuming, Consuming, CONSUMING.

    We have become, as Pink Flod sang, comfortably numb.

    As for Chavez, he's f*cked up and good.  However, I find it almost unbelievable that no mention is made of the fact that the U.S. is doing everything it can to destabilize the place.  Were that happening to us, literally, were a foreign nation so arrogantly intervening in our affairs, suffice it to say more than one station would be closed.  More than one head would roll.  And the hysteria would be stoked to the max.

    evaders of the lost archness (none / 0) (#12)
    by Miss Devore on Tue May 29, 2007 at 10:11:15 PM EST
    I find it terribly interesting that you and your former bunk-thug, markos the magnificent, have consistently refused to weigh in on both Cindy Sheehan and I/P.

    I'm curious.

    I weighed in (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue May 29, 2007 at 10:33:18 PM EST
    in Jeralyn's post on Sheehan.

    I/P, I habe nothing worthwhile to say.

    What do you think about those subjects?

    Frankly, you never seem to weih in on any substantive topic as far as I can tell.

    Character attacks seem to be the sum of your contributions. And humor I must admit.

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    Bunk-thug? (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by andgarden on Tue May 29, 2007 at 11:12:27 PM EST
    I think you and your pseudonymous feline freind enjoy baiting people with stupid little phrases and conspiracy theories to get attention. I tend to treat you as noise.

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    And that would be on topic how? (none / 0) (#13)
    by Sailor on Tue May 29, 2007 at 10:33:14 PM EST
    There are plenty of open threads, please save your personal vendetta for those.

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    The Adviser Model, and information war (none / 0) (#19)
    by Aaron on Wed May 30, 2007 at 12:00:26 AM EST
    (OPSEC)  For Official Use Only, Army Regulation 530 -- 1

    Don't worry kids it's not classified, not yet.  I'll save you a lot of dry reading and Defense Department lingo and give you the gist of this document. Basically it outlines a Vietnam style model for an information warfare which will be part of establishing the new "advisors" war in Iraq over the coming years and DECADES .

    Apparently this is part of the plan B that no one wants to talk about, but which is intended to go into effect after the 2008 election and inevitable Republican ousting from power.

      This is only a piece of what they've got planned subsequent to the partial pullout from Iraq.  It seems the army is already gearing up for an adviser war under the Democrats.  I imagine that many in the Pentagon are certain that we'll be in Iraq for some time to come, and they're making plans for how to control information and spin our continued involvement to the people of the region and even more importantly to the American people.

    So you guys thought when the Democrats (Barack Obama) moved into the White House in 2009, that we'd be getting out of Iraq in short order, well think again folks.  It's going to go on and on and on and on, because that's what the people -- the people who really run our country -- want.

    And you thought you were in charge....

    ....how naïve.  :-)


    Fine as far as it goes (none / 0) (#20)
    by Alien Abductee on Wed May 30, 2007 at 02:30:16 AM EST
    I agree that there's value in being able to speak as well as listen but that it's not necessary for democracy - at least as long as a full range of perspectives IS being provided to listen to. In the current situation it's not being provided, and not just in a slapdash accidental way of omission. The perspectives being provided pretty much exclude anything like true progressive views. Would we all be getting so much of our news and analysis via the blogs if that weren't so?

    The Fairness Doctrine and restrictions on station ownership have obvious value in helping ensure the real and open competition of ideas. How can that not be compromised when media is concentrated into so few hands?

    But perhaps just as important as "access to information" is knowing what to do with it once you have it. Without education in critical thinking and evaluation of information, all the information in the world is valueless. That's really key to it all. An educated populace will demand access to a truly broad range of information and perspectives and will know what to do with it; a poorly educated populace, particularly one steeped in authoritarian religious dogma, won't know what it's missing or care.

    Thunderous (none / 0) (#21)
    by jondee on Wed May 30, 2007 at 02:40:30 PM EST
    silence on the role of C.I.A "Grand Wurlitzer" sponsored tyranny in Latin America, is another species of reprehensible, morally myopic, apologia.

    McCain-Feingold (none / 0) (#22)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed May 30, 2007 at 03:09:28 PM EST
    What is not an open question in my view is that a government, any government, Left or Right, can be granted the power to shut down media outlets because it is critical of that government.

    Well McCain-Feingold was all about limiting critical remarks on those media outlets through the mechanism of encumbering the funds necessary.  Is yout point than anything short of a complete shutdown is just peachy?