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Karl Rove Protest in D.C.: Objects Hurled

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Posted on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 01:07:00 AM EST
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Things didn't go too well after Karl Rove's appearance at American University in Washington Tuesday night.

Rove was on the campus to talk to the College Republicans, but when he got outside more than a dozen students began throwing things at him and at his car, an American University spokesperson said.

The students then got on the ground and laid down in front of his car as a protest.he students said security officials picked them up and carried them away so Rove could leave.

There were no arrests and police described the protest as "peaceful."

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    Projectiles? (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 08:38:36 AM EST
    Like missiles? Bombs? Mortars? Rockets? Rove should be quite familiar with projectiles.

    No arrests? How disappointing for the social liberals in the group. Those cops must have been with the terrorists.

    Projectile - A definition (1.00 / 1) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 09:28:27 AM EST
    a body projected by external force and continuing in motion by its own inertia;

    Also see "spit, invalid US soldier, anti-war demonstrators."

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    That's so silly (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by glanton on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 12:12:23 PM EST


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    Yes, and (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 12:35:56 PM EST
    that's so ppj

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    And so dead center on target. (1.00 / 1) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 05:32:27 PM EST


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    If only (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by glanton on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 05:57:06 PM EST
    Sparling was credible at all.

    If only he had a single corroborating witness.  If only such "abuse" hadn't mysteriously happened to him twice, with no other such incidents happening to anybody else.

    If only a frog had wings, Fox's little snipe hunt wouldn't be bumping arse on lilly pads.

    Stay alert, and stay with Sparling.

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    Throwing a few tomatos is useless. (5.00 / 4) (#22)
    by Ben Masel on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 10:27:53 AM EST
    For this sort of thing to work you ned hundreds of tomatos.

    Perhaps... (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by desertswine on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 05:26:09 PM EST
    they mistook Rove for a large, diseased, trash rat.

    These are educated students. (none / 0) (#80)
    by Edger on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 06:40:05 AM EST
    I don't think they made any mistakes. ;-)

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    Now (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by Edger on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 05:38:40 PM EST
    I am extremely disappointed that people would cheerfully support even unprosecuted assaults and batteries.

    Throwing items at other people in countries who have not harmed you, including bombs and bullets, generally constitutes an assault and battery, in most peoples minds.

    It's a bad thing, folks. Grow up. Try and look past your hate and re-assert your common sense.

    Karl Rove: Counting Votes While the Bombs Drop

    You'd think the guy, being such a tough guy, could handle a few eggs and tomatoes?

    Maybe even a beer can or two.

    How about the book.

    um (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by manys on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 10:25:53 PM EST
    Throwing items at other people in countries who have not harmed you, including bombs and bullets, generally constitutes an assault and battery, in most peoples minds.

    It's a bad thing, folks. Grow up. Try and look past your hate and re-assert your common sense.

    I'd say your assertion that Karl Rove has not harmed anybody is open to debate.

    You're also flying way off the handle about calling tomato-throwing "hate." Your comment cheapens the concept of hate by equating it with typical everyday pranks and annoyances.

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    manys (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by glanton on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 10:31:31 PM EST
    read his comment again.  Read through the thread.

    Look closer.  

    There you go.

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    Thanks, glanton. (none / 0) (#78)
    by Edger on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 06:36:25 AM EST
    I guess you kind of had to be there. I should have made that a reply to Gabe's comment, so the ratings would have moved it out of the context. Manys heart's in the right place, I think. :-)

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    errrr.... "wouldn't" (none / 0) (#79)
    by Edger on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 06:37:01 AM EST


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    manys - Here, let me help (1.00 / 1) (#85)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 09:05:37 AM EST
    This is edger's published, public guidelines on civility of comments, etc.

    talkleft.com/story/2007/1/25/25427/2495For the record (none / 0) (#60)
    by Edger on Thu Jan 25, 2007 at 02:17:12 PM EST ......

    Anyone who wants me or others to be constrained from saying things that insult so that they will NOT feel constrained from doing things that kill, is trying to draw equivalence where there is none, and deserves absolutely no respect, civility, or any kind of tolerence whatever.




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    OFF TOPIC (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Sailor on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 10:06:42 AM EST
    and yet another post containing nothing but personal attacks.

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    Doesn't it seem (5.00 / 3) (#50)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 05:40:39 PM EST
    a bit disingenuous for us to be debating the morality of throwing vegetable or dairy products (preferably in an advanced state of decomposition) at  our criminal politicians when we know what our government is doing to innocent people? Karl Rove is getting off easy (for now). The legal righteous indignation at the "Assault and Battery" commited against a modern day Rasputin is laughable. The rich war makers have the entire legal system at their disposal, and still they violate our civil rights at every turn if we resist. But we are supposed to be non aggressive, follow the law (ie take it up the...) while the shock troops shoot demonstrators with "projectiles" and round people up and put them in cages for exercising free speech.. FTS!!!

    The elite in this country have gamed the legal system and are getting away with murder while we're still talking about it. If some poor Bushco co-conspirator catches a tomato in the face, I for one will not be upset.

    ALL is fair in love and war.

    Che (none / 0) (#53)
    by glanton on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 06:01:26 PM EST
    I hear you, I agree with the sentiment completely.  It can be awfully hard to come off siding with people whose hands are so bloody.  I hope you understand I am not siding with them.

    But if happened the way the SS says it happened, then it remains true that this is not the way.  It accomplishes nothing for the cause of decency to throw things at corrupt people.  Their credibility drops daily, maybe even a few more of them will actually be brought to justice before it is over.

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    shades of victoriana (none / 0) (#69)
    by manys on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 10:31:08 PM EST
    There's too much public decency. Those who think society and/or politics (!) can't handle rotten tomatoes being hurled, then things must be a lot worse than I realized. This is the closest people can get to getting a pie in his face, which is also considered assault and battery in many jurisdictions across the globe. It doesn't make it any less appropriate a response, and it doesn't make it any less humorous.

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    Objects Hurled (4.50 / 4) (#1)
    by clio on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 12:26:22 AM EST
    Too bad they didn't hurl Karl.

    Suppose shouldn't say that, but the man brings out the id in me.

    the man brings out the id in me. (1.00 / 2) (#5)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 07:13:11 AM EST
    I think you left off three letters.

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    I'd say name calling (5.00 / 5) (#7)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 07:35:10 AM EST
    is beneath you... but apparently it isn't.  Someone  said recently when you start name calling, you have already lost the argument.



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    Oh, Molly! Thank you! (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by clio on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 06:17:14 PM EST
    I can see that being called Jim's idEAL could be construed as an insult, (and honestly, I'm a bit undecided myself) but since Jim is a father of young children I am certain that he is setting a good example and means it in the best way possible.

    But I am really touched by and grateful for your kind words...and I totally agree.

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    Love in the cornfield (none / 0) (#62)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 07:14:25 PM EST
    clio --- Does this mean you won't meet me this weekend in Las Vegas??

    Sigh

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    Molly B - You are correct, (1.00 / 2) (#9)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 07:56:09 AM EST
    but sometimes the devil steps in when such a perfect opportunity presents itself for a non-vulgar one-liner in which a small amount of intelligence is required to understand it... and I do the unspeakable...

    ;-)

    My humble apologies to all who understood the snark.

    Turn out the lights on the way ouy, they are blinding you.

    Oh, BTW - I don't seem to find a comment by you condemning this one:

    How do we get rid of the rest of them? (1.00 / 2) (#7)
    by maheanuu on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 08:54:27 AM EST

    Perhaps Rat Poison might work, but then even a rat wouldn't be as bad as the repigs in office today.

    I wonder why??

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    Didn't see it (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 11:26:38 AM EST
    Which part do you object to? The pig part or the Rat Poison part?



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    Didn't see it?? (1.00 / 3) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 11:51:06 AM EST
    Your vision may may a disease....

    Which one?

    Actually, neither. I think it is helpful to have such demonstrations available for the body politic...

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    OFF TOPIC (5.00 / 4) (#43)
    by Sailor on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 04:57:58 PM EST
    and yet more personal attacks.

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    miracle (4.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Jen M on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 06:28:58 AM EST
    No one was arrested? Whoa. Did the DC police have a massive change of heart or was this campus police?

    Rove= human (?) scum (4.00 / 1) (#21)
    by LizDexic on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 09:53:54 AM EST
    Is it possible that students could have objected to Rove's role in outing one of OUR spies during war time?

    Or maybe they objected to Rove, who never graduated college, making decisions as to which accomplished US Attorney should lose their job because they weren't prosecuting enough Democrats?

    Or that he appears to be a closeted homosexual who masterminded the bigoted Republican campaign against  gays?

    So much to choose from.

    HoHo (1.00 / 2) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 11:58:29 AM EST
    Based on the number of college grads working at Starbucks, I wouldn't put too much starch in that being a claim to greatness...

    BTW - What spy are you talking about?

    The one who has been working at Langley, contributing to the Demos in her work name and hasn't had a "known" mission in over five years..
    Besides sending her husband on a non-confidential mission...

    Or some unknown person who actually did something?? (Besides sending their husband on a non-confidential mission.)

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    BTW - It appears that you and Ann Coulter both like to attack gays.

    Have you considered treatment for this homophobic personality trait??

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    impressive (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by manys on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 10:33:57 PM EST
    A perfectly content-free string of strawmen.

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    An excellent point (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by glanton on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 10:37:17 PM EST
    welcome to our world, choose your strategy now, it's either ignore his posts altogther or respond and, almost every time, wind up inciting more of the same.  

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    Just one time I will explain... (none / 0) (#83)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 08:58:36 AM EST
    Well, since you bring it up... and in the interest of your education...

    My reponse was a sarcastic comeback at LizDexic's inaccurate off the wall comment re Mrs. Plame-Wilson

    ...and Liz's attack on Rove for supposedly being gay... I have seen many bullies attack people for being gay, not admitting it, etc. It is a very standard attack, and just as I decried and condemned Ann Coulter's terrible words, I point out these.

    Now. Will you join me in condemning this attack, or will you try and ignore the facts??


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    The price of media coverage (4.00 / 1) (#34)
    by dead dancer on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 12:50:57 PM EST
    Mr Rove, I disagree with ...

    NO NEWS COVERAGE.

    Mr Rove, have this (hurl object) ...

    Inquiring minds want to know: (3.00 / 1) (#2)
    by oculus on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 12:36:12 AM EST
    what were the "objects"?

    Throwing things (2.00 / 1) (#24)
    by HeadScratcher on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 11:15:57 AM EST
    I wonder if these students would think it was free speech if their professors decided that they had to take their final exams while having tomatos thrown at them?

    That's called a game show (4.00 / 1) (#37)
    by TexDem on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 02:38:28 PM EST
    there are several using that as a theme.

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    Difference of (1.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 06:59:48 AM EST
    opinions are not wanted on campus.  

    Does not follow (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 07:38:32 AM EST
    Rove is entitled to his opinion as are the students. I don't see where Rove was prevented from speaking or from having an opinion.

    I gather some people would prefer the students not express thir opinions on campus or otherwise.



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    When I grew up (1.00 / 1) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 07:58:10 AM EST
    throwing things was considered rioting and breaking the law, not "expressing an opinion."

    Perhaps it was different in LA (?)....

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    In years long long past (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by TexDem on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 09:03:09 AM EST
    throwing things such as eggs, rotted vegetables etc was considered an acceptable expression of one disgust and disdain for the object of the projectiles. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a rebirth of this practice. Perhaps it would allow the public to vent and an outlet that would best display their feelings, since this administration otherwise ignores the wishes of the governed.

    Throwing lethal objects and causing damage to private and public property is rioting. Throwing none lethal objects and slinging insults is a demonstration. Your inability to not being able to make the distinction is a trait you share with this administration. You also share another trait with this administration, the inability to accept criticism and insults even though you are quite willing to use them yourself.

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    Sure you do (1.00 / 2) (#17)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 09:23:47 AM EST
    In years long past

    So was lynching...

    Now you can claim that you don't want to go that far, but who will stop the rain? maheanuu recommends rat poison. Will you stand in the pharmacy door?

    When someone is killed by an errant toss, where will you be??

    Have you studied the French Revolution?

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    Now why did I know your response would be (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by TexDem on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 12:42:58 PM EST
    about lynching? You often resort to the basest form of response. See my response to Wile E. s comment.

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    armchair clinic (none / 0) (#72)
    by manys on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 10:36:24 PM EST
    I believe it's called "bipolar."

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    but your an advocate of lynching (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Sailor on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 01:25:05 PM EST
    Or were you just for it before you were against it?

    Why have you called for American political leaders to be assasinated in the past?

    BTW, what was errantly tossed?

    And whose word do we have for it?

    These unknowable (and possibly non-existent) objects that the SS didn't bother to identify must certainly have been dangerous ... since none were recovered and no charges were filed.

    BTW2, did you ever study the Peloponesian war?

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    Sailor (1.00 / 2) (#39)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 03:28:33 PM EST
    Are you okay today??

    maheanuu didn't accidently get to you did he?

    How do we get rid of the rest of them? (1.00 / 2) (#7)
    by maheanuu on Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 08:54:27 AM EST
    Perhaps Rat Poison might work, but then even a rat wouldn't be as bad as the repigs in office today.



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    OFF TOPIC (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Sailor on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 05:00:01 PM EST
    and GFY.

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    Sailor (none / 0) (#82)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 08:46:08 AM EST
    ;-)

    XXX and hugs

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    And BTW (4.00 / 1) (#35)
    by TexDem on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 12:51:12 PM EST
    yes I would. I would stand in the door to stop anyone from threatening someones life, would you? Now I might present a more convincing restraint than you, I'm 6'4" and weigh 235lbs. The only time I get lip is from smaller guys or groups of guys. Most guys of similar stature respect one another, we understand MAD.

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    HoHA (1.00 / 2) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 03:26:12 PM EST
    Most guys of similar stature respect one another, we understand MAD.

    Hmmmm, do you also jump buildings in a single bound?

    Thanks for the giggle. (That's what us 5'11 - 180 lb guys do after reading a comment like that.)

    And what does that have to do with illegal acts, such as throwing things.

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    What kind? (none / 0) (#64)
    by Jen M on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 09:08:31 PM EST
    Hmmmm, do you also jump buildings in a single bound?

    Real ones or those cute little village collectibles? Or the ones you can buy for train sets?

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    Jen M (none / 0) (#81)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 08:44:47 AM EST
    I'll thank you for not making fun..

    Jumping buildings is serious business, especially for 6'4" guys who are used to respect from other 6'4" guys..

    You know, some of this stuff couldn't be made up.
    It reallt couldn't.

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    Tex (1.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 09:42:04 AM EST
    If it is alright to throw objects in an expression of disgust and disdain, how about a personal insult thrown in also?  Is that exceptable?  How about throwing in a racial insult?  They surely cause less physical harm than throwing things.  

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    The use of racial epithets already occurs (4.50 / 2) (#32)
    by TexDem on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 12:36:51 PM EST
    and often by those who project the other side with their heinous habits. And Karl Rove is a master at projection, hence the constant claims of voter fraud by the GOP while they seek to disenfranchise thousands of minorities.

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    Hmmmm (1.00 / 2) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 03:35:25 PM EST
    Well, the insults can get wild, but racial??

    Haven't seen but two around here. Here's one...

    No Jim (none / 0) (#76)

    by Edger on Sat Jan 06, 2007 at 12:35:45 PM EST
    You have the 'understanding' thing all upside down and backwards again.
    Here, boy...

    Edger will be surprised to know that is identity as a Right Winger has been outed.


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    YOu (none / 0) (#42)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 04:28:26 PM EST
    didn't answer the question.

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    Or London England (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 11:29:24 AM EST
    during the Shakespearian era- throwing oranges as an epression of booing a bad performance/play. Where did the audience get the oranges you ask? From the orange ladies, who were selling more than just oranges! (look it up).



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    during the Shakespearian era (1.00 / 2) (#40)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 03:31:43 PM EST
    Uh, I just checked and it is 4/4/2007 around 2:19 MDT...

    And of course back then they also had capital punishment, debtor's prison and several other nasty things we don't have today..

    Including beheading anyone who would throw anything at one of the King's men....

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    Sigh -just this once (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 06:50:00 PM EST
    Try any and all of the following links and you will get the gist of it.

    Nell Gwyn

    A Companion to Restoration Drama

    Hoard Magazine

    Samuel Pepys diary entry

    So you got all these guys on the prowl in the theatre with these oranges and well.... oranges are good ammo.



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    Oh I did, I did.. (none / 0) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 07:17:19 PM EST


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    True (none / 0) (#67)
    by squeaky on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 10:18:15 PM EST
    To your moniker Molly Bloom. Nice links.

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    I guess (1.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Wile ECoyote on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 09:34:35 AM EST
    they expressed their opinion in less wordy and more violent ways nowadays.

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    Not so. (5.00 / 5) (#11)
    by LarryInNYC on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 08:27:26 AM EST
    In fact, it appears Rove's "opinions" were so well received that the students were reluctant to see him leave.

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    That's a good'un ;-) (1.00 / 1) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 09:00:54 AM EST


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    Nothing like a peaceful projectile, eh? (1.00 / 1) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 07:16:07 AM EST
    There were no arrests and police described the protest as "peaceful."
    Throwing things is not speech. (1.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Gabriel Malor on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 11:07:42 AM EST
    One would think that we could all agree that throwing things at other people is not constitutionally protected "speech." But it seems that when it comes to Karl Rove, some Democrats are willing to throw around all kinds of things, including common sense.

    As a general matter, claiming that it is a form of speech to throw things at public officials leads to obviously absurd results. Are you actually saying that the police should not restrain protesters from throwing eggs at the various candidates at, say, the upcoming Denver convention? Maybe the police shouldn't bother restraining protesters throwing rocks at the Denver convention either? After all, it's "just speech."

    As a matter of law, throwing items at another person generally constitutes an assault and battery, depending on whether the intent of the thrower is to cause pain or injury or fear of insulting physical contact.

    Now, I'm not saying that we should prosecute everyone who throws a soda can or egg at someone else, but I am extremely dissapointed that people would cheerfully support even unprosecuted assaults and batteries. It's a bad thing, folks. Grow up. Try and look past your hate and re-assert your common sense.

    Gotta agree (none / 0) (#29)
    by glanton on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 12:10:09 PM EST
    One would think that we could all agree that throwing things at other people is not constitutionally protected "speech."

    Gotta agree with this.  

    Moreover, what does it accomplish to throw things at him?  To prove Rove and his ilk are despicable?  This can and should be done with simple logic and within the realm of ordered liberty, indeed it has already been done and will continue to be.

    Only ideological rigidity would blind someone to the common sensical conclusion that this is the wrong way to go about things.  Either you oppose unnecessary violence or you do not, sometimes it really is that simple.

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    I agree too.... (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 05:27:41 PM EST
    but as I've said in the past, there is a time for street justice.  Karl Rove getting pelted with paper airplanes or tomatos or eggs is an acceptable instance of street justice in my opinion.  Civil disobedience, if you will.  

    It is surprising to me that Rove didn't go running to the nearest officer to get the object-throwers locked up.  

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    Thats just what we need..... (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 06:28:55 AM EST
    for this war to end.  Stop playing footsie and start throwing sh*t till they call out what little of the national guard isn't in Iraq.

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    Kdog (none / 0) (#84)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 08:59:14 AM EST
    Have you see "Twelve Angry Men?"

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    Just caught it again recently.... (none / 0) (#93)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 12:00:56 PM EST
    excellent film.

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    Wait a second (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Sailor on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 05:34:29 PM EST
    How do we know anything was thrown?

    Just because a spokesperson for the SS said there was doesn't make it so.

    She said "several individuals who had gathered outside the speech area threw unknown objects at the vehicle."

    The SS is on the scene and they didn't bother to ascertain what the objects were (that were thrown at a car, not rove)?

    Anybody seen the police report? It's hard to believe this would take place with zero arrests considering that this admin puts people in jail for wearing T-shirts.

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    sailor (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by glanton on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 06:04:32 PM EST
    Point taken.  If it turns out that this is just another Sparling incident, then I'll not be at all surprised, and will cheerfully take back my condemnation.  Just like I took back my condemnation when the truth about Sparling was revealed.

    My reaction is only to TL's original post, I know nothing more about the story than that.

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    I disagree. (1.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Gabriel Malor on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 06:00:53 PM EST
    Both Edger and Che's Lounge have written in the past few minutes that we should ignore our laws as long as the war in Iraq continues.

    I want to make clear that I am fiercly opposed to such lawlessness.

    except when it's engaged in (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Edger on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 09:46:44 PM EST
    by rove, cheney, bush, gonzo, libby, rumsfeld, gates, alito, scalia, and... how many others?

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    Is your name kdog?? (1.00 / 2) (#90)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 11:23:12 AM EST
    Wikipedia does make us all look intelligent.

    Try it sometime. (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Edger on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 11:57:02 AM EST
    Then we'll know if it does or not.

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    Don't have to (1.00 / 2) (#94)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 12:08:01 PM EST
    Dark Avenger serves as my secretary..

    DA? Will you pick up my cleaning??

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    Off topic (none / 0) (#15)
    by Swan on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 09:08:36 AM EST
    How much does hurling things accomplish? Let's get all those people paying attention to the news. They should all get involved in constructive ways.

    Hope you don't mind an off topic comment too much, but I think this is really important. There is a great post on The Carpetbagger Report from a few days ago about the mainstream media's (specifically Time magazine's) ignoring the prosecutor purge scandal.

    http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/10367.html

    What explains the failure of the mainstream media to cover the purge scandal for so long, and so many other scandals? Do you think somebody just set up newspaper editors to cheat on their wives, and threatened to tell if the editors wouldn't play ball when they come back some day and ask for something?

    It wouldn't be that hard to do, when you think about it. People wouldn't talk about it.


    An answer (4.00 / 1) (#16)
    by TexDem on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 09:21:00 AM EST
    What explains the failure of the mainstream media to cover the purge scandal for so long, and so many other scandals? Do you think somebody just set up newspaper editors to cheat on their wives, and threatened to tell if the editors wouldn't play ball when they come back some day and ask for something?

    I think you'll find the answer closer to their hip. It's called a wallet. There is an old saying that says something to the effect that if you want to get a person's attention hit them in their wallet.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#54)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 06:03:24 PM EST
    In the meantime...

    Gabe (none / 0) (#56)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 06:05:39 PM EST

    "I am fiercly opposed to such lawlessness."

    How fierce? To the point of violence? What's YOUR limit?

    Gabe, It's about (none / 0) (#57)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 06:13:00 PM EST
    more than just this one incident. This is a huge issue. I'm not sure I'm prepared to discuss it intellectually at this point. Please excuse me.

    Aight. (none / 0) (#66)
    by Gabriel Malor on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 10:06:45 PM EST
    You're right, it's important. I'm sure we'll get around to hashing it out someday.

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    It ain't perfect, (none / 0) (#60)
    by kdog on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 06:30:34 PM EST
    but nothing is my friend.

    throwing tomatoes (none / 0) (#74)
    by diogenes on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 10:50:58 PM EST
    Physical intimidation or harassment are what they are.  It is difficult to express opinions with tomato juice and eggs splattered on your head and suit, as posters here wish had happened to Rove.  Justifying these tactics is rationalization.

    They were just following Jefferson's instructions. (none / 0) (#77)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 06:30:32 AM EST
    when the govt. no longer serves the people, rise up.

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    kdog (none / 0) (#86)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 09:07:22 AM EST
    Was that before or after the "Whiskey Rebellion?"

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    I wonder (none / 0) (#87)
    by Peaches on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 09:12:13 AM EST
    if a cream pie to the face would be an act of civil disobedience or street justice. I think tomatoes and dairy products comes closer to a "pie to the face" than hurling dangerous missiles and if there is anything that Karl Rove could use right now it is a pie to the face.

    Amen Peaches.... (none / 0) (#92)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 12:00:25 PM EST
    I don't concern myself too much with the legality of a one-sided food fight....but my conscience tells me its ok sometimes.

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    Civil Pie in the Face (none / 0) (#95)
    by Gabriel Malor on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 12:13:32 PM EST
    As I said before, I don't think we should prosecute every thrown egg or soda can, but I am concerned at the implications for free speech if we were to actually support "pie in the face" civil disobedience. At some point, the civil disobedience begins to affect the public speaker's right to speech.

    That doesn't appear to have been the case here; the throwing and protesting occurred after Rove had finished his speech. But it has happened before that speakers have been served their pie in the face before they have a chance to speak or even mid-speech.

    On such occasions, the civil pie in the face  presents an obstacle to the exercise of speech. Even if we were constitutionally able to call a pie in the face "protected expression," it would become unprotected the minute it infringed upon someone else's protected speech.

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    Gabe, I agree, (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Peaches on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 12:20:34 PM EST
    A pie in the Face should not be a protected right to free speech and anyone doing so should be subjected to being sprayed in the face with soda water.

    But, seriously, a pie in the face might constitute a fine for infringing on another's free speech, but I'd gladly pay whatever I could afford to have the chance to sneak up behind Bush, Cheney, or Rove and deliver a pie full of cream to their face in the middle of a speech.

    That would just be good fun and public ridicule which includes such acts as delivering a pie to the face has a long tradition in democratic societies, even if it is not protected free speech.

    Yo got to admit, I'm sure even you would get a good laugh out of it.

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    Hah. (none / 0) (#97)
    by Gabriel Malor on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 12:25:31 PM EST
    Actually, I got a good laugh out of this:

    A pie in the Face should not be a protected right to free speech and anyone doing so should be subjected to being sprayed in the face with soda water.

    I also want to note that I don't disapprove of this type of thing all the time. Other folks planning protests in the future should take a lesson from these protesters: wait until after the other guy has had his chance to say his piece, and then begin the fun-time.

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    Peaches (none / 0) (#100)
    by glanton on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 03:39:41 PM EST
    My position on this notwithstanding, I'd pay your fine for you.    

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    I knew you'd step up, G (none / 0) (#101)
    by Peaches on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 04:05:30 PM EST
    Anyone else?

    LEts start a collection here at TL using Paypal (Jeralyn can store it in an account and donate the proceeds to Peaches favorite BLog - TL)and then when it happens to one of the three everyone will know who done it - PEACHES!

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    Jim (none / 0) (#98)
    by jondee on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 12:26:35 PM EST
    knows someone that talked to someone that saw a protester spit on a vet(inarian). The pity was, the vet was invalid.

    Sooner or later violence-as-diplomacy abroad will engender it's "lawless" correlate at home.
    "Wilbur" Rove made his bed, now he can sleep in it.

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