Senate Passes "CARES" Financial Help Bill

Update: The Amendment is denied. Now they are voting on the main bill. How tone deaf are these Senators? No 6 feet clearance for them.

The "CARES" bill passes with no "nay" votes. Here is the 619 page bill as of this afternoon. I've been reading it for the last several hours (while listening to the speeches). I'm not sure if there are any changes to what they are voting on. Update: All the speeches for the past few hours have been delivered to an empty room. There are only two senators in the room during voting on the Amendment. I guess they all phoned in their votes. Why bother to have a public vote if you don't have sound for the senator's voices saying yes or no? All you can hear is a woman calling out the names and then she says how they voted. Towards the end of the vote on the Amendment, more Senators begin straggling in. [More...]

Original Post:

Republicans are now complaining about the unemployment benefits section of then Coronavirus bill. They are offering an amendment.

Republicans are claiming that as written, the bill would increase unemployment benefits so much it would pay people more not to work.

Their amendment would cap benefits at 100% of wages person was making before the virus.

Dick Durbin says that could happen in some cases, and so what? It's not a windfall and workers deserve the extra money. No one is going to quit a job over it.

Bernie Sanders gave a good speech on how absurd the Republicans' position was.

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    Happy Birthday, (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by KeysDan on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 05:17:05 PM EST
    Speaker Pelosi.  80 years young, and many more.

    Useful tool (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 06:47:03 PM EST
    COVID-19 Projections for Each State

    March 27, 2020 at 4:32 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 145 Comments

    A new tool from the University of Washington projects when the coronavirus outbreak will peak in each of the 50 states and how bad it'll get.

    Of course, these are all projections and things could change dramatically, such as when modifications to social distancing measures are made.

    I was stunned (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 08:40:40 PM EST
    When I looked at the predicted curve for my state.

    Mark Blum (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 06:56:34 PM EST
    Bill from Succession and many other things has died from Covid 19

    How is it that Warren and Sanders (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Mar 30, 2020 at 10:46:50 PM EST
    were pounded on how they would pay for MFA yet no one seems to want to know how this terd is being paid for.

    Oh, Bernie sjowed up. (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 01:25:43 AM EST

    3.3 million (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 07:41:24 AM EST
    3.3 Million Jobless Claims Filed Last Week

    March 26, 2020 at 8:32 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 3 Comments

    U.S. unemployment claims soared to 3.3 million as layoffs from coronavirus engulfed the economy, CNBC reports.

    "The number shatters the Great Recession peak of 665,000 in March 2009 and the all-time mark of 695,000 in October 1982."

    "Consensus estimates from economists surveyed by Dow Jones showed an expectation for 1.5 million new claims... The surge comes amid a crippling slowdown brought on by the coronavirus crisis."

    Wall Street Journal: "Millions of Americans, already fearful the new coronavirus could infect them or their families, now have two new worries: When will the job machine start again? And can they hold out until it does?"

    Another (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 08:44:33 AM EST
    And does this include furloughs? (none / 0) (#5)
    by Towanda on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 01:03:11 PM EST
    My son was told yesterday to furlough three-fourths of his staff. He is at a company that primarily serves schools, closed now, across the middle of the country, from the Canadian to Mexican borders. He spent the last weeks desperately coming up with work for them, such as catching up on online training. But he couldn't save their jobs.

    And his salary has been cut by 20 percent. That doesn't show up in the stats.

    Worse, though, is the dilemma that he faces, as he now can no longer work from home to manage staff going to clients but has to go into the field himself. He did that for a decade and finally had made it to management.

    So, with a month-old infant, he faces whether to risk contracting the coronavirus out there and bringing it home. If he decides to quit, he is not, of course -- but as some in the Senate like Graham apparently do not know -- eligible for unemployment insurance.

    And if he brings it home, and he and my daughter-in-law contract it, we just will have to risk it, too, taking the train to help -- in one of the cities hit hard by the pandemic and worsening by the hour.


    P Wire (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 03:19:15 PM EST
    Jobless Claims May Be Vast Undercount

    March 26, 2020 at 3:17 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 21 Comments

    "The 3.3 million new unemployment insurance claims that the Labor Department reported Thursday is likely a significant undercount, experts say, because laid-off workers have been calling into state unemployment agencies much faster than the agencies can process their requests," Politico reports.

    "A tidal wave of workers trying to file claims has overwhelmed websites and jammed phone lines at state unemployment agencies, leaving states scrambling to hire more staff."

    Not relevant (to me) (none / 0) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 11:22:15 AM EST
    Said Mnuchin: "I just think these numbers right now are not relevant. Whether they're bigger or smaller in the short term... the good thing about this bill is, the president is protecting these people."

    Sharpen the guillotine. (none / 0) (#6)
    by desertswine on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 01:42:29 PM EST
    WE ARE # 1 (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 05:41:38 PM EST
    tRumpie (none / 0) (#10)
    by FlJoe on Thu Mar 26, 2020 at 07:15:31 PM EST
    you're doing a heck of a job!

    As to be expected in a larger population (none / 0) (#11)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 03:11:31 PM EST
    On a per capita basis we are doing pretty well.

    Now, here are the top six countries by confirmed cases per million people (based on population numbers from the CIA World Fact Book) in descending order:

    Italy (1386.13)
    Spain (1280.78)
    Germany (615.57)
    France (436.17)
    Iran (380.72)
    USA (283.30)

    Without Information (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by RickyJim on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 05:55:56 PM EST
    on who was tested and how comparable this tests were, the statistics given are useless.  Because of the high percentage of asymptomatic carriers of the virus, it seems to be true that the more you test, the more cases of COVID19 you find.

    Yes (none / 0) (#22)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 06:15:42 PM EST
    and no, more testing is going to find more cases than less testing but it's also it's quite likely the growth in testing is lagging behind the growth in infections.

    Also (none / 0) (#26)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 07:00:27 PM EST
    many people are using fatality rate as an indicator that is independent of testing rates. The numbers there are probably even more chilling. Another chart  Mi is doubling almost daily, scary sht. T

    Naturally you (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 03:19:47 PM EST
    leave China out of your spin with 4x the population.

    The understating, trivializing (none / 0) (#14)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 04:30:52 PM EST
    and minimizing of the pandemic is unfathomable. Probably a complex Koolaid cocktail of concern fpr the glaringly apparent incompetence of Trump and corresponding worries for his re-election; the "unworthy" and "lazy" getting free stuff; a repulsion to facts and science; and some good old liberal dislike, as if the virus can discern between Democrats and wingnuts.

    On the bright side (none / 0) (#39)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 11:02:21 PM EST
    John Hopkins rates the U.S. first among 195 nations in disaster readiness.

    Perhaps when this is over we can address some of the public policy positions that eased the spread of the virus.  Among those are: bans on single use bags, promoting high density housing, promoting mass transit, the bureaucratic red tape that delayed testing availability, bans on straws, etc.


    "Bans on single use bags"? WTF? (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 05:56:39 AM EST
    Abdul: "Perhaps when this is over we can address some of the public policy positions that eased the spread of the virus.  Among those are: bans on single use bags, promoting high density housing, promoting mass transit, the bureaucratic red tape that delayed testing availability, bans on straws, etc."

    I'm rather surprised you didn't also try to blame a woman's right to reproductive freedom, like that right-wing Gov. Tate Reeves in Mississippi.

    Not only that, but that ignorant ideologue further issued an executive order overriding all proactive protective measures undertaken by county and municipal officials in an effort to stem the coming COVID-19 onslaught.

    But hey, Reeves did use his office to lead a prayer service via Facebook, as though we could perhaps somehow pray the coronavirus away.

    Given that a likely primary vector for initial COVID-19 introduction into the United States was international air routes, perhaps you'd like to suggest a prohibition on all future overseas travel to and from our country, too.

    Just like Gov. Reeves and his equally stupid friend and neighbor, Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey, you're just throwing out baseless GOP talking points like gorillas in a zoo flinging their own poo at visitors, without any of you really knowing what in the hell you're talking about -- and that makes all of you a menace to public safety in times like these.

    Just stop, already. Seriously.


    Well Trump did stop air travel from China (none / 0) (#44)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 08:36:34 AM EST
    At a point so early that he was accused of racism and xenophobia. BTW, a number of governors and some grocery stores are banning reusable shopping bags as they are potential disease shredders.

    wow (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 09:11:42 AM EST
    So impressive.

    Dear God.


    Ideology first, science last (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by MKS on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 09:52:39 AM EST
    Just they way they operate.   Faith based everything.

    Yep. Not to mention ... (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 10:22:42 AM EST
    ... unjustified gratitude to Dear Leader so he can make campaign ads.  Otherwise, ya know ... he'll ignore your calls and let your citizens die.

    Can you or that twerp Margolis (none / 0) (#40)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 11:32:48 PM EST
    pinpoint a specific measure instituted by Trump and his cronies Before the pandemic that contributed to our disaster readiness?

    I didn't think so.


    Believe the numbers out of China (none / 0) (#15)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 05:01:27 PM EST
    at your peril. Supposedly no new cases, but just closed the cinemas again.

    Much like the old Soviet Union, communist stats need to be taken with wagon loads of salt.


    Dude (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 05:34:39 PM EST
    you quoted Iran. Do you think their numbers are correct? As far as China, idiot Trump fired the person who was in China to monitor pandemics. So if the Chinese are lying Trump enabled them to.

    Ironic that a closed society (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by jondee on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 05:59:26 PM EST
    is addressing the pandemic fairly intelligently and our relatively open society has gifted us with an idiot President who thinks the churches should or could be packed at Easter time.

    How do you know how they are addressing it? (none / 0) (#46)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 09:02:38 AM EST

    ChiCom propaganda is not a reliable source.

    Propaganda.. (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 01:22:07 PM EST
    So, when Rush said it was just the common cold and Fox And Friends and Falwell Jr said it was all concocted to make Trump look bad, was that propaganda or just more terminal-stage stupidity?

    Neither is wingnut (none / 0) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 09:06:26 AM EST
    welfare who has been downplaying the virus but yet you keep pushing their garbage. Wingnut welfare isn't even using the correct name for the virus.

    The correct name? (none / 0) (#52)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 01:10:22 PM EST
    Has the International Naming Tribunal issued its formal findings?  The same thing can have many different names.  There is no recognized authority for what is "correct."

    Some people think the term Spanish flu is verboten while some think it is OK.

    I will note that early on CNN, NYT, et al referred to it as the Wuhan virus.  Of course once Trump used it they had to quit because if is so obviously racist. Unfortunately for them the internet lives forever.

    Please don't watch this link while drinking liquid.


    This one always cracks me up (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 09:02:33 PM EST
    It's almost as if the wingnuts can't tell the difference between media references to the "Wuhan virus" when it was first revealed to U.S. audiences and before WHO had even named it COVID-19 - and the orange bloviator's xenophobic use of these phrases weeks later, long after it was actually named.  Or they actually know the difference, but want to peddle a lie.

    Abdul, do you still use (5.00 / 4) (#66)
    by Towanda on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 10:31:07 PM EST
    "consumption" when talking of tuberculosis? Or, when tqlking of vitamin C deficiency, do you still call it "scurvy"?

    Just how hilariously far behind the times are you?


    No (none / 0) (#69)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 07:25:33 AM EST
    But geographic naming of diseases has been the norm for a long time. Witness Spanish flu, Lyme disease, Ebola virus, Zika virus, and Rocky Mountain spotted fever.

    So calling it the Wuhan virus is quite normal. And appropriate. That that low credibility outfit, WHO decided that term and that practice were politically incorrect doesn't mean much. Sure, the ChiComs want no association with the virus and their actions to hide their coverup, but why change historical practice to reward bad behavior?


    "Low credibility outfit" (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 08:28:37 AM EST
    Trumpers calling the WHO a "low credibility outfit"!!!

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ...

    Maybe we should just refer to the spread in the US as the "Trump virus".


    WHO lies. (none / 0) (#72)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 09:17:05 AM EST
    That (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by FlJoe on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 09:45:10 AM EST
    ranks right up there with some of tRump's whoppers about the virus, funny how you ignore those.

    "WHO lies"? (none / 0) (#77)
    by Yman on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 04:12:43 PM EST
    No.  Trump lies (consistently and paholoically).  The Trumpers lie to defend him.  Then YOU lie.

    See if you can tell the difference between the WHO reporting something about preliminary investigations from Chinese authorities at the very onset of this (Jan. 14.) and an intentional lie weeks later when much more was known.  Here, I'll show you some examples from weeks later when much more was known:

    1.  No - the virus has not been contained.  No, not everyone who wants a test can get a test.

    2.  No, the US does not have "the U.S. had "15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

    3.  No - it's not a Democratic hoax as the orange bloviator and your friends at Fox claim.

    Trump - and those that support him and defend his lies on a daily basis - have blood on their hands.  The only question is how much.

    So you basically (none / 0) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 08:23:54 AM EST
    want to shift blame to the Chinese exclusively and ignore the idiot in the WH's response. All the "Wuhan flu" name is doing is attempting to downplay the seriousness of COVID 19 using Orwellian terms to try to mange the perception of the virus. Next thing you know you'll be spouting the wingnut welfare talking points about how it's just a cold.

    Have you volunteered to die for the economy yet?


    They say it'll be gone (none / 0) (#54)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 01:31:27 PM EST
    by April, that's the important thing. So we can pack those churches at that beautiful time when the chocolate bunny rises up to protect our right to bear arms.

    Scientists (none / 0) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 03:20:22 PM EST
    have named it COVID 19 and coronavirus is the more familiar scientific name. However I guess that is too fancy and too elitist to actually use correct scientific names. Those fancy pants scientific elitists and their "PC wording" is too much for wingnut welfare I guess.

    Thousands of unnecessary deaths are going to happen to people because of stupid wingnut welfare and their idiocy. Have you volunteered your parents or grandparents to die for the economy? Conservatives should be the first ones to step up to the plate it would seem.


    It's not? (none / 0) (#49)
    by Yman on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 09:13:59 AM EST
    Is it worse or better than the wingnut propaganda and lies spewed by this administration and it's sycophantic defenders?

    We (none / 0) (#13)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 04:05:29 PM EST
    know that, tRump does not, so yay amerika!

    Here is the (none / 0) (#16)
    by desertswine on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 05:13:36 PM EST
    Coronavirus dashboard, without cheats.

    I don't know which is worse (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 05:57:05 PM EST
    Listening to this moron lie and lie and lie or looking at whothef'ukever that old man is behind him looking at him with a look on his fat stupid face that looks like he is thinking...


    The lies (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 06:07:49 PM EST
    just seem to be getting worse. He's also being called out by Cuomo and Whitmer among others. Did you know that WA has a governor and MI has a "woman"

    It's almost unbelievable (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 06:18:28 PM EST
    That he would basically say he will punish residents of a state if the governor doesn't say nice things about him.   Which he totally just did.

    Not surprising he would do it.  Surprising he would say it on national tv.  Maybe a little to much confidence from those spiking poll numbers.  

    Unimaginable people will think that is acceptable.  But here we are.


    Trump got (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 08:29:53 PM EST
    practice shaking down Ukraine.  No White House visit, no military and security aid... I need a favor, though.  

    The impeached monster at work, still.


    He absolutely (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 09:09:33 PM EST
    is a monster. He's also a monster that apparently doesn't realize that he needs MI to win in November.

    Unbelievable (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 06:49:24 PM EST
    Whitmer Suggests Trump Is Blocking Medical Supplies

    March 27, 2020 at 4:16 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 138 Comments

    "Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) suggested Friday that a growing rift with the White House is affecting shipments of medical supplies to Michigan amid exponential growth in confirmed coronavirus cases," Crain's Detroit Business reports.

    Said Whitmer: "When the federal government told us that we needed to go it ourselves, we started procuring every item we could get our hands on. What I've gotten back is that vendors with whom we had contracts are now being told not to send stuff here to Michigan."

    "Whitmer didn't say who has told vendors to stop sending medical supplies to the state, but strongly implied the order came from President Trump's administration."

    How far does this have to go (none / 0) (#27)
    by Chuck0 on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 07:23:08 PM EST
    before it is OK on TalkLeft to call a spade a spade and an a$$hole an a$$hole?

    Chris Hayes (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 07:49:33 PM EST
    Just asked Cuomo in a phone interview what he thought about what Trump said today about the governors of MI and WA.

    Cuomo was literally afraid to criticize Trump because he was  afraid Trump would punish his state.  And said so.

    How long is Trump going to be allowed to continue this.  


    He (none / 0) (#30)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 08:07:51 PM EST
    was on CNN heaping praise on tRump, he knows it's either kiss the ring or have blood on his hands.

    Yes, I think (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by KeysDan on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 03:53:32 PM EST
    we need to cut the governors and mayors some slack, knowing that it is, literally, a matter of life and death. However, no slack can, in my view, be cut for experts such as Dr. Birx. And, of course, those Cabinet toadies who may someday justify themselves by claiming things would be worse without them hanging around.  Everything  Trump touches dies.

    When this has peaked (none / 0) (#34)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 08:32:48 PM EST
    I'm willing to bet a lot will be said by a lot of people who are afraid to talk now.

    And it will be before November


    Probably (none / 0) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 09:30:35 PM EST
    but I'm really tired of these people who are there during crunch time who do nothing to rectify the situation.

    It's not hard t see the dilemma (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 10:20:01 PM EST
    What good would calling Trump out do right now.  If you are a governor.  One thing everyone should know by now is this is going to get worse.  Lots of people are going to die.  These governors are really trying I think.  Trying to help and protect the people of their state.  Which right now pretty much means doing nothing to "rectify the situation" and pretty much doing the best they can with what they have.

    As bad as thing are and are going to get Trump could still make them way worse.  He could do it and there's nothing much anyone could do about it short of the 25th amandment.

    Raise your hand if you expect that.

    I say give them room to do what they have to do to navigate this nightmare without asking them to invite making it worse by calling out the Emperor for being naked.  But he will be called out for it.  I think.

    This is why someone like Biden needs t speak up.  Trump can't hurt him.  He absolutely can hurt any governors or state official or lots and lots of other people who in any normal world would be screaming from the rooftops.



    I thought (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 07:03:18 AM EST
    you were talking about people in DC that could change things speaking up not the governors. Yes, the governors are doing the best they can considering the circumstances they have to deal with.

    Trump will continue until ... (none / 0) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 06:18:12 AM EST
    ... someone of sufficient moral stature musters up the gumption to finally confront him publicly and in person, in the way the U.S. Army's attorney Joseph Welch did to Sen. Joe McCarthy on national television in 1954.

    BUT... (none / 0) (#45)
    by jmacWA on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 08:38:07 AM EST
    Who defines what significant moral stature is these days?  

    I am guessing you wouldn't think Paula White qualifies, but the bulk of tRump's rubes (i.e. the deplorables) probably do.

    In the era of 24/7 news, social media, and marketing theories that poison the mind there will not be any consensus on this


    How about (none / 0) (#29)
    by KeysDan on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 07:56:23 PM EST
    A Monster.

    The (none / 0) (#31)
    by FlJoe on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 08:17:09 PM EST
    Mad King strikes again
    "Mr. Trump has told people he wants his signature to appear on the direct payment checks that will go out to many Americans in the coming weeks, according to an administration official,"

    Thank god (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Mar 27, 2020 at 08:29:24 PM EST
    I won't have to actually see it thanks to direct deposit.

    Shocker from the L.A. Times (none / 0) (#55)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 01:46:42 PM EST
    I'm sure you've (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 02:10:01 PM EST
    got a long list of conservative leaders who made pandemic preparedness a first priority.

    Because you want to provide us with complete information, unlike those Chinese propagandists.


    The apparent (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by KeysDan on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 02:53:47 PM EST
    antidote for the lethal incompetence of the president of the United States is to search for mistakes or mis-steps  of former governors.  Surely, we can also find incompetence somewhere among the nation's former mayors, county clerks and head librarians.

    A critical part of corona virus pandemic response should be the provision of face masks for the masses.  The benefits  include the shielding of the mouths of the healthy, and, even  more so, the covering of the mouths of people already infected but asymptomatic.  Testing, of course, would be useful, to stages of transmission, but we do know, from other viruses  that those infected but without symptoms may be transmitters.

    This Is yet another botched response--- masks for the masses, a relatively cost-effective part of the mitigation package is being discouraged not because of valueless, but because of limited supply. Not even enough for health workers.


    The ventilators may have been expired if (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 05:03:29 PM EST
    they were in the CA stockpile. (That is, their shelf life has expired -- like food does). Same for those in the national stockpile. CDC has issued notices as to which may no longer be good and strategies for using them.

    They may have expired. (none / 0) (#68)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 07:08:35 AM EST
    But there is a practice known as "stock rotation" that can address that issue.

    In addition the FDA (none / 0) (#73)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 09:20:48 AM EST
    has issued guidance on using ventilators past manufacturer's recommended shelf life. IOW, even though it is past the recommended shelf life, it can still be used successfully.

    Declaration of war (none / 0) (#61)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 06:12:01 PM EST

    Cuomo Says Federal Quarantine Would Be Act of `War'

    March 28, 2020 at 7:02 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 11 Comments

    New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo told CNN that he didn't believe a possible New York quarantine was legal and that it would be a "federal declaration of war" after President Trump said he was considering such a tactic for the New York metro area coronavirus cases increase.

    Said Cuomo: "It would be chaos and mayhem. It's totally opposite everything he's been saying. I don't think it is plausible. I don't think it is legal."

    He added: "This would be a federal declaration of war on states."

    Build that wall (around New York)! (none / 0) (#62)
    by Peter G on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 06:35:42 PM EST
    It may be worth mentioning that according to the Supreme Court there is a constitutional right of interstate travel that neither the states nor the federal government may infringe.

    You just know (none / 0) (#64)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 28, 2020 at 07:10:37 PM EST
    he's dying to start calling it the New York Virus or at the very least the Blue State virus..

    Any day now. That meme is already making the rounds of planet wingnut, and we know where Trump gets a lot of his inspired ideas from.


    Posted this in another thread (none / 0) (#67)
    by ragebot on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 01:08:56 AM EST
    and it seems to have been overlooked.  Anyone using UV light to destroy corona virus.  While it has limited applications and should not be used on things like hands/body it can be used for things like groceries, mail, packages, and a host of other things.

    Hospitals are using industrial strength robots to clean rooms; faster and destroys more germs than things like alcohol/bleach/soap.

    A lot of consumer products are back ordered on Amazon but I got them a while back when the VA was sending me to the Gainsville hospital and putting me up in a hoptel the night before.  Not just good for corona virus but lots of other things as well.

    UV Light (none / 0) (#75)
    by BGinCA on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 01:56:11 PM EST
    Oops (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by BGinCA on Sun Mar 29, 2020 at 01:57:27 PM EST