Yom Kippur and Open Thread

It's almost sundown which means Yom Kippur will begin. Yom Kippur, the day of atonement, is the holiest day of the year for Jews. From sundown to sundown tomorrow, there is no work and no food.

Here is a link to the services live-stream from the Reform congregation at the 92nd St Y in Manhattan.

For those not observing, here's a new open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Trump blames Puerto Ricans (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 07:38:44 AM EST
    "They want everything to be done for them".

    I kid you not.

    The "man" is a pig.

    That's rich... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by kdog on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 07:48:23 AM EST
    Coming from the guy who wants his taxes paid for him by those less fortunate under his crackhead tax plan.

    The "middle class miracle" is really another rich man's scam from what I'm hearing.


    Not to mention ... (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 08:38:06 AM EST
    ... the guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth who rips off his tradesmen and subcontractors and uses charitable money to pay his business fines.

    No, kdog, these rich (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 11:56:52 AM EST
    guys really want to help you.  Gary Cohn, former president of Goldman Sachs and Trump's "with it" Director of the Economic Council, says about the tax plan: "if we allow a family to keep another $1,000 of their income....they can buy a new car or renovate their kitchen, or take a family vacation."  

    He seems nice. I will now go out and look for a new car for $1,000, maybe a Mercedes. Next year, the kitchen. No vacation, by the third year, I will need another car.


    ive been watchng Marie Antoinette (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 01:07:16 PM EST
    with Norma Sheerer.  hard to miss the parallels.

    still, ive decided how i want to spend my last minutes on earth.  with a continuous drum roll until i kick off and a candel in the window to be extinguished to let the assembled masses know when i shuffle off the mortal coil.


    Renovate a kitchen? (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 02:55:23 PM EST
    Sure! (none / 0) (#63)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 03:51:30 PM EST
    New appliances, fer sure.

    Well, ... one new appliance.

    Nothing high end or gold plated.


    Having recently (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 04:47:22 PM EST
    Remodeled a kitchen I can confirm you can't get a decent refrigerator for a grand

    As a reference for all my appliances, stove, fridge, microwave and dishwasher I spent about 2500.  And that is not especially high end.  You can easily spend three time that much.


    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 04:58:35 PM EST
    I was just joking, but when we did ours @ 10 years ago, the fridge was @ $1,500, dishwasher $800 and stove $3000.  That was after a lot of shopping and getting a discount on a package with a display model.

    Two display models (none / 0) (#68)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 05:08:56 PM EST
    I figured a fridge and dish washer is not like tv.

    Don't really get used up on the display floor.


    We renovated our kitchen 7 yrs ago (none / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 07:04:44 PM EST
    We kept the cupboards because they were local handmade oak. But we used an oil base high performance paint on the bases, and we used a Rustoleum cabinet refacing paint sprayed on on the doors. I think the paint alone cost us $1,000.

    New countertops were $6,000. We installed those ourselves. We did well on the appliances. Induction ranges weren't very well known yet. Lowe's sold us ours on sale for under $500. As the house was closing I already grieved the loss of it, and looked up how much it would cost to replace it in my future. The US knows what an induction range is now. It'll start at around $1,000. The matching convection microwave was selling poorly then too. We picked it up for around $250. Our wonderful matching frig though $1500. Natural slate floor, inexpensive but very difficult to do it yourself install, the real cost for that would have been installation. We did all the sweat ourselves. I have no idea what the tab should have come to, what our labor was worth.


    I picked up a very nice Samsung (none / 0) (#70)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 07:29:03 PM EST
    about 2 years ago at Lowes for about $900. Double door with bottom drawer freezer. Got lucky and stumbled upon a return that fit into my fridge cubby just right.

    That was my fridge too..sniffle sniffle (none / 0) (#76)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 02, 2017 at 07:14:24 AM EST
    I'm back to renting. Much smaller fridge, much older, broken plastic door shelves :( I used to take these things in stride. The Samsung destroyed my endurance and stacking creativity.

    i have found (none / 0) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 02, 2017 at 07:20:39 AM EST
    a good fridge contributes mightily to the quality of my life.

    ice maker are an absolute necessity.  ice cube trays are the bane of my existence.


    I have an ice maker here (none / 0) (#79)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 02, 2017 at 07:25:04 AM EST
    But it's fritzy. When the drawer is full sometimes the sensor doesn't understand and it continues to make ice. It's at the top of the freezer and it rains ice all over the lower freezer shelves.

    My ice maker (none / 0) (#81)
    by fishcamp on Mon Oct 02, 2017 at 01:58:21 PM EST
    works better than ever after hurricane Irma, since it was off for 15 to 20 hours.  Time got scetch sketchy at 140 mph.

    Should I wish a hurricane on my rental frig :)? (none / 0) (#85)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 02, 2017 at 05:07:42 PM EST
    Those little quirks make life interesting. In spite of all the mess and clean up your ice maker got de-fritzed.

    What is the different between (none / 0) (#71)
    by McBain on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 08:03:09 PM EST
    a $1250 refrigerator and a $750 one?  I've never purchased one in my life.  My currant one is 20  years old... not sure how long it will last.

    happiness (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 02, 2017 at 07:20:58 AM EST
    Because (none / 0) (#80)
    by FlJoe on Mon Oct 02, 2017 at 08:02:37 AM EST
    happiness is a cold fridge, mama.

    On Trump's visit (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 11:59:56 AM EST
    to Puerto Rico next week, Trump and Melania will be distributing boot straps throughout the island.

    The difference? (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 03:16:38 PM EST
    Liberals see people who are worse off than themselves, and say, "How can I help you have the good things I have?"

    Conservatives see someone who is worse of than themselves and think, "Why do they want the same things I have? I'll bet they want to steal my stuff."


    Check out Armando's (none / 0) (#8)
    by MKS on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 11:33:09 AM EST
    Twitter feed.

    If you are looking for a way to give (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 07:06:40 PM EST
    to an effective, efficient, local group focused on low income Puerto Ricans, here is a recommendation from an old friend of ours, who moved to P.R. about 40 years ago to do civil rights work, and has lived there ever since. She has intermittent cell and internet, and has been sending us some messages. Her suggestion focuses on a particular neighborhood in San Juan that she helped in creating a community land trust.

    Puerto Rico is a disaster. (none / 0) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 03:00:52 PM EST
    And for BTD especially, this is very personal. Given that today's insults of San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz today were delivered from the safe and comfy confines of his New Jersey country club, Trump's choice of words were particularly obnoxious and absolutely appalling, even by the most jaded standards we've set for him.

    (For some perspective, Mayor Yulin is the one who's wading in waste-deep water and holding the bullhorn.)

    Retired Lt. Gen. Russel L. Honoré offered the ultimate droll putdown of the bubble-headed Grifter-in-Chief: "I have no reaction. The mayor's living on a cot, and I hope the President has a good day of golf."

    Trump is a phuquing disgrace.


    You take that back, Yman. (none / 0) (#11)
    by vml68 on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 12:57:31 PM EST
    and (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 01:02:49 PM EST
    very tasty

    LOL! I have to agree :-) (none / 0) (#14)
    by vml68 on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 01:14:13 PM EST
    As a kid I used to love feeding the pigs that the nuns at my school used to keep. Then one day we were served pork for dinner and I later found one of the pigs missing. My eight year old self was seriously traumatized. I became a vegetarian but I always made an exception for.....bacon!

    i love pork (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 01:18:46 PM EST
    lion, ribs, chops.  i mentioned i was watching Marie Antoinette which being 3 hours long i could only do with other distraction.

    i also making potato leek soup.  garnished with bacon.


    Done (none / 0) (#16)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 01:27:11 PM EST
    You're absolutely right.

    They're also more empathetic ... and attractive.


    Reminds of the old joke: (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by KeysDan on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 01:57:28 PM EST
    A guy comes into a bar ranting and raving that "Republicans are a$$holes," After a few minutes of this rant, a fellow seated at the end of the bar shouts out..."hey, knock it off, I resent that."  The ranter asks, "why, are you a Republican?"  No, is the response, "I'm an a$$hole."

    If I am feeling a sense of rage about this, (none / 0) (#23)
    by Anne on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 03:23:53 PM EST
    I cannot even begin to imagine how the people of Puerto Rico must be feeling.

    This is the first I am seeing this development - my youngest grandson (21 months) landed in the ER this morning with his 2nd episode of what is probably asthma, and after going there to help wrangle him for the 1-hour breathing treatment, brought the almost-5 yr old home with me - we've been making cookies and doing a lot of drawing.

    So, apparently, Trump doesn't like people ripping away the I'm-so-wonderful facade of self-praise he wraps himself in, and he lashes out to punish those he sees as responsible - it's always someone else's fault.  It's entitlement packaged with narcissism and salted with grandiosity.

    And I am with those who think this is also disaster capitalism at work.

    Meanwhile, I don't know how much longer he can keep this up before he completely falls apart mentally, or someone sees to it that he falls apart.


    Sadly (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 06:44:55 PM EST
    I actually know somebody who is stuck in this mess. Well, I'm friends with the daughter who is here in Metro Atlanta with her parents in PR. She is literally sick. She said she is trying to get her parents here but it took some friends 29 hours at the airport and her parents are elderly and not in great health.

    Chuck Todds (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 09:06:04 AM EST
    silly Mr Spock combover is getting almost as silly as the combover-in-chief.

    god, Mnuchin is a dispicable tool.

    He really is...the same chutzpah in (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Anne on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 01:55:52 PM EST
    evidence on Repeal and Go F Yourself, in evidence all over the Sunday shows on the tax plan, as Mnuchin keeps trying to convince people that the rich aren't going to benefit from the plan.

    And the last time there was a tax holiday for earnings parked overseas, the argument was that allowing corporations to bring it back would create jobs.  It didn't - all that money went to higher dividends, stock buybacks and higher CEO pay and bonuses.  There is nothing to suggest it will be different this time.

    Mnuchin claims it's unfair to judge without all the details that will be worked out, but there's a reason no details have been released: they want to get as much lying BS out there as possible before people find out the truth.

    It's getting hard not to hate them.


    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 02:02:54 PM EST
    And the idea giving corporations more money will create jobs when they are sitting on literally trillions in unspent capital would be laughable if it was not so vile.

    I hate them.  But I'm a hater.  This is known.


    Combover.. (none / 0) (#73)
    by desertswine on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 11:40:33 PM EST
    Not that much (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Oct 02, 2017 at 06:53:43 AM EST
    Moron in chief (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 11:13:02 AM EST
    tells Tillerson to cease talks with NK. He wants a nuclear holocaust. This is the most important story of the day, not the NFL, not even PR. Nuclear war makes everything else irrelevant.

    Good cop, bad cop (none / 0) (#52)
    by Peter G on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 01:08:26 PM EST

    If Tillerson is (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 01:48:04 PM EST
    The "good" cop we are in serious trouble

    Maybe Tillerson should take a little (none / 0) (#59)
    by desertswine on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 02:27:55 PM EST
    trip to PR to see what he's been lying about for the last 30 years.

    Wasn't it you who (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 02:34:22 PM EST
    Commented on the passing of Harry Dean Stanton?

    Anyway, I was just watching THE GREEN MILE.  Great movie.  Stanton had a tiny role as he did in many great movies.  In this one he is really on the screen fewer than ten minutes, as the crazy old prison trustee who stands in as the dead man walking when they rehearse the CHAIR preparing for an execution.  But an unforgettable character.

    It reminds me there are no small parts only small actors


    I have always appreciated to work of (none / 0) (#74)
    by desertswine on Mon Oct 02, 2017 at 12:10:12 AM EST
    Stanton but I don't think that I made any comments about his death.  Maybe Donald or ruffian.

    HDS was also very good (none / 0) (#82)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 02, 2017 at 02:32:46 PM EST
    in one of my all-time favorite sleeper movies The Missouri Breaks.

    I have never before donated (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 08:46:37 PM EST
    money to candidate that I couldn't vote for. Today I gave to Doug Jones in AL.

    Tom Petty (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Oct 02, 2017 at 03:06:32 PM EST
    Geez, only 66. Cardiac arrest. (none / 0) (#84)
    by desertswine on Mon Oct 02, 2017 at 03:51:44 PM EST
    i'm not a fan of this (none / 0) (#1)
    by linea on Fri Sep 29, 2017 at 08:19:14 PM EST
    encouraging people to hunt-down white supremacists is the tennessee forests. this seems rather foolish. the article names restaurants where reservations have been made and specific federal parks where they might be meeting.

    Our Search For A Secret White Supremacist Meeting In A Tennessee Forest

    Neo-Nazis are holding a conference this weekend, and we think we found out where. Prominent neo-Nazis, white supremacists and Klansmen are gathering in East Tennessee this weekend ― over Yom Kippur, the holiest day on the Jewish calendar ― for a conference associated with Stormfront, the infamous neo-Nazi internet forum.

    Not a problem (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Yman on Fri Sep 29, 2017 at 08:40:00 PM EST
    These white nationalists are not a serious problem.  Just a small, regional issue - an anachronism, a localized oddity really.  Barely any in existence and not worth worrying about, or so I've been told.  Now, 4chaners and antifa, OTOH ...  /s

    US News & World Report [Aug 14, 2017] (none / 0) (#19)
    by linea on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 02:49:36 PM EST
    Nationwide, there are still an estimated 3,000 Klan members and unaffiliated people who "identify with Klan ideology," according to the ADL. Membership, though, remains spread across dozens of groups. The largest Klans reportedly don't have more than 50 to 100 active members, and most have fewer than 25.

    Keeping with historical trends, the ADL noted the groups and activity are largely concentrated in the southern and eastern parts of the nation. Mississippi was found to house the most with five groups, followed by Alabama with four.

    And? (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 03:07:36 PM EST
    The KKK doesn't represent all white nationalist groups in the US.  He//, it's not even the largest.  These groups are all over the country and their numbers are growing.

    But this was already explained to you several times and you keep pretending you aren't aware of this.  There's a word for that ...


    the facts (none / 0) (#24)
    by linea on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 03:41:57 PM EST
    the klan and neo-nazis are small marginalized factional groups with a total combined membership of around maybe 10k nationally.

    the issue is the alt-right which includes, for example, the google memo writer. the alt-right do not wear hoods or wave nazi flags. they share, learn, and promote their sexist and racist ideologies (packaged as 'scientific') on message boards such as 4chan - which you mock.


    What I actually mock (none / 0) (#25)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 04:08:56 PM EST
    ... is people who are so ignorant as to believe that white nationalists are not a threat and exist only in the South.  Also, people who cry "Sexism!" where none exists, thereby diminishing actual,real instances of sexism.

    BTW - White nationalists are a very large, violent part of the alt-right, and have actually killed far more people than a memo writer or some trolls on 4chan.


    seriously (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 06:51:00 PM EST
    why bother>

    this SPLC map has been provided to that....person on at lease two occasions which lists almost 1000 hate groups in every state tracked by the SCLC.

    so by that.....persons calculation that means about 10 members per group.   nothing unrealisticly opmistic about that.

    serously who cares what that one says.  if you dont reply its one ignorant comment no one takes for anything but an ignorant comment.


    Thanks for pointing this out - it was (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by Anne on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 06:56:03 PM EST
    the first thing I thought, having been one of those people who provided that SPLC link the last time this subject came up.

    I don't know, Howdy, I guess some people are so invested in their arguments that they refuse to let facts get in the way.

    I'm over it.


    right (2.00 / 1) (#31)
    by linea on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 07:58:49 PM EST
    by Yman
    Also, people who cry "Sexism!" where none exists, thereby diminishing actual,real instances of sexism.

    the google software engineer's 10-page screed against women isn't offensively sexist? good to know where you stand.


    That is some seriously ... (3.50 / 2) (#33)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 08:21:36 PM EST
    ... poor reading comprehension.  Then again, it occurs so regularly, one might get the idea that it's intentionally poor.

    For your sake, let's hope so ...


    duh (none / 0) (#30)
    by linea on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 07:33:48 PM EST
    i never claimed there wasn't domestic hate groups or domestic terrorism - homegrown jihadis, anti-abortion clinic bombers, white supremicists, back separatist-nationalists, anti-government 'sovereign citizens' extremists.

    that is what the FBI does.

    this is just you trying to shift the topic and pretend i'm claiming something i'm not and trying to start an argument. from you're first pointless snark.

    none of this has anything to do with the Huffington Post article that i posted.


    It has everything to do with it (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by Yman on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 08:20:02 PM EST
    You pretend white nationalist hate groups are nothing more than a regional inconvenience and not a national threat, even when it's proven you're wrong.  You minimize their numbers with fake "facts".  You then pretend antifa groups and some sexists on 4chan are serious threats.  Then you lie about what others say.



    If you want figures (none / 0) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 07:49:32 AM EST
    Check Southern Poverty Law

    you mean the map (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 08:18:48 AM EST
    i have now linked to twicw and Anne once?

    its not figures wanted, its atention.


    Ahhhhhh (none / 0) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 08:26:10 AM EST
    Because SPL monitors them (none / 0) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 08:28:15 AM EST
    I'm certain they work hard to keep facts /membership numbers unknown. Do things like hiding in forests to meet.

    They like their 'secret' meetings (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 29, 2017 at 08:50:00 PM EST
    so let's take that away from them. Shine the light on the cockroaches.

    Poor Babies... (none / 0) (#6)
    by kdog on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 07:51:13 AM EST
    Why so ashamed? (none / 0) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 08:29:49 AM EST
    If they can rally in a public park why can't they meet in public?

    Look, I hate these folks as much as (none / 0) (#53)
    by Peter G on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 01:18:43 PM EST
    anyone, but I don't think you're being reasonable. First, no small, dissident political group of any stripe advertises its internal organizational or planning meetings, or meets (or ever has met) "in public." Why should they? Second, as we all know, there is another political group devoted to using any means, including violence, to attack and suppress these idiots whenever, wherever and however possible. Advertising their meetings invites such attacks. You don't have to be the least bit sympathetic to the neo-nazi thugs to acknowledge that this is true. (Or that writing a news story about their "secret" meeting place effectively invites such violence and attacks, as I think Linea was pointing out.)

    You may be right (4.67 / 3) (#55)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 01:53:39 PM EST
    What everyone else was pointing out, again, is that this hardly the first time linea has commented on this subject.  Or demonstrated a frightening ignorance of it.

    So perhaps it's "history" that is the problem.

    And of course your comment on the rights involved are flawless.


    Groups are always infiltrated though Peter (none / 0) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 02:05:26 PM EST
    I was surprised the healthcare protest at the hearing went off as well as it did because the details of the plan were put out so far in advance.

    I get it.

    But righties have infiltrated my groups. I haven't killed anyone yet :)


    Disaster capitalism. (none / 0) (#18)
    by desertswine on Sat Sep 30, 2017 at 02:30:16 PM EST
    Puerto Rico is ripe for the plucking.  The vultures are already circling.  Why don't the people owe  "billions of dollars to Wall Street and the banks which, sadly, must be dealt with."

    The Miami Dolphins (none / 0) (#34)
    by fishcamp on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 06:14:05 AM EST
    football team are playing the New Orleans Saints at 9:30 a m today, Sunday, from London, England.  Guess I'll watch them instead of dragging downed palm fronds out to the big pile in the front yard.  Now they're all wet, gooey and heavy. Plenty still to do.  

    horrors its october (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 07:50:09 AM EST
    my favorite month for tv.  everyone has horror fests and horror marathons.  TCM is best.  they kick off with Dracula night tonight.  with Bela, Dwight and Max.  with the longings of Draculas Daughter repressed by the film code inbetween.

    its SHOCKtober!

    Bob Corker (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 09:55:16 AM EST
    had an interesting interview on MTP.  he more or less said "if the tax plan adds one penny to the deficit, iwill not support it".

    there ya go.  first we know it will.  second there will be more than two others who agree with Corker.

    Trumps tax plan is as dead as his Obamacare repeal.  

    Billionaires are pouring billions into (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 10:09:40 AM EST
    K street right now. Billions

    no doubt (none / 0) (#45)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 10:44:29 AM EST
    its said "wall street has 'factored in' tax cuts to the recent boom"

    you know what.  it won't matter.


    the reason (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 10:50:06 AM EST
    is becoming clear.

    anything that could possibly pass in the senate will not pass in the house.  assuming "the Hastert Rule" which IMO we must.

    Ryan is in far to much hot water with the base already to flip off the Freedumb Caucus.


    They bought the Freedumb Caucus on healthcare (none / 0) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 12:33:48 PM EST
    They'll buy them with this too.

    See, they already (none / 0) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 12:36:27 PM EST
    Hell and gone (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 12:50:13 PM EST
    From any tax plan that will pass the Senate.

    This fight is harder than healthcare (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 12:32:11 PM EST
    Which is also still not over.

    Graham and Cassidy both argued for their (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 10:08:38 AM EST
    ACA destruction bill by attempting to claim that sick children would be protected from losing coverage under CHIP. They both said there was no way the CHIP program would not be reauthorized when skeptics pointed out the CHIP program was at its end.

    The CHIP program was not reauthorized. The Republican run congress allowed the deadline to pass.

    Of course, because CHIP is Hillary's (5.00 / 4) (#62)
    by Towanda on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 03:47:35 PM EST
    so nine million children covered under CHIP should suffer for that.

    No. 1., (5.00 / 3) (#65)
    by KeysDan on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 04:48:06 PM EST
    on NYTimes Best Seller's List: "What Happened," by Hillary Rodham Clinton. The book had previously topped the list on Amazon despite coordinated efforts to sideline it.

    Hard for Republicans to (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by KeysDan on Sun Oct 01, 2017 at 05:04:40 PM EST
    walk or chew gum at the same time. Too busy trying to take away health insurance from adults and not allow it to go away for children. This is their only legislative "accomplishment" other than permitting purchase of guns by  certain mentally disabled---unless you count Post Office naming (all their failures, of course and thankfully, are all to the good).