Sunday Open Thread: It's a Girl!

The TL kids are having a girl! I've already started buying clothes.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

[More pics below --from the "gender reveal" party for those who are interested:

Decorations courtesy of Ms. TL kid's mom and sister:

Setting up the smoke bomb in their backyard (Ms. TL kid's brother in law, who had the sealed envelope from the doctor he would open in a minute)

The backyard fills:

The happy couple on learning it's a girl (along with the 40 or so guests in attendance):

Again, this is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    congratulations! (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 03:28:17 PM EST
    Hate to be a grumpus, but (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 03:32:35 PM EST
    as the father of three great girls, now independent young women, I claim the right to say, "Way too much pink. Fight gender stereotyping from its earliest stages and at all times and in all contexts." My celebratory take, "It's a human fetus! A future baby! Hooray!"

    As a former (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 06:06:15 PM EST
    children's wear buyer I getcha Peter. Everything for infant girls was pink, pink and more pink. I thought I was going to barf pink if I had to look at yet another pink dress in the showroom.

    Thankfully since then the manufacturers have branched out into "mint". Lavender was always a color even back when i was in retail.


    I bought my newest granddaughter an outfit (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 07:58:45 PM EST
    That was mint and lavender a month ago. She has my mommas almost black dark brown hair and pale green eyes. It goes with her coloring. Not much very female about her though yet. She's only 8 Mos and already pinches people when she's annoyed, over stimulated, or hangry. She yells from her crib when she's awake, demands someone come get her, throwing organized tantrums that her siblings try to rescue her from. And already trying to walk.

    Her personality (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 05:58:24 AM EST
    reminds me of the way you described the baby's mother. Of course, you know the saying about grandchildren being the best revenge :). I am waiting for that day with oldest son. And I will laugh and laugh and laugh.

    Yup (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 06:12:51 AM EST
    I looked in her momma's babybook. I found my startled/astonished entry that my 7 month old seemed to be organizing tantrums.

    I miss my newest granddaughter. My daughter puzzled that I had this knowing with this grandchild. I told her that I felt like I've known this baby before hahahaha.

    And the new baby uses you for a jungle gym. I had this child once that I had to keep telling I wasn't a jungle gym, and it wasn't Josh :)

    I think you've called it.


    Jungle gym (none / 0) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 08:00:30 AM EST
    Haha. Yes, when I went to the grocery store with oldest son I had to stand away from the cart because if I got too close he would jump on me and climb down and start running. My husband would say why don't you go to the grocery store during the week when I am not home. Needless to say I was not amused by that comment. I found a Kroger with day care inside. I would drive across town to go there :). They probably could have charged 2x for groceries and I still would have shopped there.

    you are not thinking pink (none / 0) (#3)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 03:33:37 PM EST
    anyway (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 03:34:41 PM EST
    something tells me color will not stunt this childs independence

    You betcha I'm not (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 03:38:53 PM EST
    i always thought (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 03:42:24 PM EST
    the pink blue thing was so you could tell if it was a boy or a girl baby.  i never really thought of it as having any significance beyond that.  

    And why, exactly, is gender the first (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 05:05:20 PM EST
    (or only) thing that people want to know about the baby? It's so they know how to treat the little one, what social signals to send, all of which helps the pervasive implantation of gender as a social construct (and identity) with stereotypes that have to be overcome. I'd rather start out, to the extent possible, avoiding the stereotyping in the first place. There's plenty of nice baby stuff in light green, in yellow, in lavendar, etc. Anyway, this is all rather personal. It was important to us with our girls, and remains important to me as a feminist. I don't condemn anyone who thinks (or feels, or acts) differently.

    okee dokee (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 05:24:29 PM EST
    this is where i exit the conversation.  pledged as i am against giving financial or parenting advise.  

    My many childless-by choice friends (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 09:38:34 PM EST
    have never refrained from sharing their opinions.

    ha (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 10:02:20 PM EST
    there are lots of things i know about.  child rearing is not one.  

    LOL -sometimes you all so obviously need our help! (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 07:18:55 AM EST
    Gender is the only (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by MKS on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 06:23:57 PM EST
    characteristic that really stands out at 1 day old.

    It is not as if you can ask if the child likes Dostoevsky or hiking....

    From someone who after being promised a little brother to play with, looked at the new born sibling and was disappointed because he could not "do" anything.


    What would stop you from asking? (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 07:17:16 PM EST
    Not that you could expect a direct answer, but you can certainly ask the baby anything you like. In fact, directly a lot of adult words at a baby (or young child) is one of the very best ways to develop its intelligence. Anyhow, in addition to gender (and no less or more important, imho) the newborn also has height (length), weight, hair (extent and color), eye color (not final, however), head size, body type. The fact that you see only gender is just more proof of the pervasiveness of that pernicious binary of typing.

    Or, one could ask, (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by MKS on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 07:39:27 PM EST
    "Why is pink not a power color?"

    Because it's pervasively associated with (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 07:50:50 PM EST
    females, is why. Despite PP's best efforts to "reclaim" and empower it while maintaining the connection. No thanks to Susan G. Komen "Race for the Cure," imho.

    I just saw a recent photo of Gloria Allred. (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 09:43:42 PM EST
    She was wearing a salomish-colored suit.  Suit jacket had a pleated ruffle at the jacket hem. Definitely not "power". Or flattering.

    There are some studies which suggest ... (none / 0) (#54)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 04:22:58 AM EST
    ... that the color pink has a calming effect on the human psyche when one is first exposed to it. For that very reason, back in 1979 now-retired Head Coach Hayden Fry of the University of Iowa Hawkeyes first had the opposing teams' locker room at Kinnick Stadium painted a nice soothing shade of pink. It has stayed that way ever since.

    good question !! (none / 0) (#36)
    by linea on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 08:00:47 PM EST
    Why is pink not a power color?

    i read a study on women and interview attire (a swedish study - in swedish) and any color or attire viewed as feminine by the male interviewer would cause him to rate the candidate as less competent.

    however, if a woman wore attire that was viewed by the male interviewer as "male parody" (i.e., pantsuits or women's business suits) she was unlikable and also got lower marks in the interview.

    best as i can figure: wear black shoes, black slacks, and a black turtleneck.


    Big blue (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by MKS on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 08:05:10 PM EST
    IBM dress codes was white shirts....

    Even today can't beat navy blue and white shirts....


    yes, navy blue!! (none / 0) (#39)
    by linea on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 08:54:15 PM EST
    Even today can't beat navy blue and white shirts.

    at my last interview, i wore navy blue shoes from Frye, grey slacks fron Banana, and a navy blue top. i got a job offer and i accepted.

    not sure i did or wore anything different. other than, after almost two years of failing every interview, i bought and wore my first pair of eyeglasses, Modo in navy blue and got a prescription for 40mg Propranolol as needed. thank you doctor!

    or maybe i was just a good fit for job. who the hell knows?


    I ordered a pair of black slacks from ... (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 04:04:32 AM EST
    ... Banana Republic last year, and they sent me navy blue by mistake. I tried them on, liked the look and kept them, and I'm glad I did. I called BR to inform them of their error but that I was keeping the navy blue slacks anyway, and that I still wanted the black slacks. They sent me that pair gratis. That's one way to keep a customer happy!

    "Directing," not "directly" (none / 0) (#27)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 07:19:35 PM EST
    sheesh. I am supposedly a good proofreader.

    Well, it was more the answer (none / 0) (#41)
    by MKS on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 09:36:18 PM EST
    I was alluding to.....

    If I get a direct answer, I think I might end up in a nice, quiet "facility" somewhere.....You got any suggestions?


    I have seen two (none / 0) (#29)
    by MKS on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 07:42:42 PM EST
    women at the gym in the last two weeks crank out ten pull ups like it was nothing. Not women bodybuilders, but clearly lean.

    One of them was very pretty and feminine.  Tall blonde with pretty bangs.   All the guys were drooling. She had a nice backside.....

    I am not so sure this women-don't-have-the-upper-body-strength bar to being in the military was ever true.


    i think (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 08:00:17 PM EST
    its possible to overthink pink

    that's true! (none / 0) (#24)
    by linea on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 06:39:38 PM EST
    i dont like Dostoevsky or hiking. does thst mean i'm gender neutral?

    Best Linea comment ever (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 07:52:01 PM EST
    A classic.

    really?? (none / 0) (#40)
    by linea on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 09:03:06 PM EST
    that's so funny!! i dont even understand it.

    Exactly (5.00 / 3) (#84)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 08:40:24 PM EST
    You hit the nail on the head.

    Some of us over do it the first time (count me in) (none / 0) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 07:49:52 PM EST
    You get four deep, it's all different then :)

    Tradition (none / 0) (#45)
    by Lora on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 09:59:01 PM EST
    Even if you want to, it is very, very hard to buck tradition. And the tradition of pink for girls can be fun and not harmful, depending on context and experiences.

    I have a now grown girl, and I dressed her in about 65% girl-traditional outfits and about 35% in boy-traditional outfits probably up till the age of 2.

    I think culturally it is easier to put a girl in blue than a boy in pink. I didn't always pick days I was going to take her out to put her in blue.  Hopeful that this changes as we all become more enlightened.


    We won't know if grandbaby #4 is (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Anne on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 03:40:52 PM EST
    a boy or a girl until the birth - my son-in-law's philosophy is that there are so few real surprises anymore that they decided they wouldn't find out; they did the same with their first. I think my daughter would like to know, but it would never work if one of them knew and the other didn't.

    With three boys, it would be fun to have a girl, but I'll take healthy baby, uncomplicated delivery above all!

    If your granddaughter will be spending time at your house, not a bad idea to have some things so your son doesn't have as much "stuff" to tote when they come; the pack-n-play, a nursing pillow, baby swing - make life a lot easier!

    Same here for our Grandchild No. 2. (none / 0) (#50)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 03:39:18 AM EST
    Neither Elder Daughter or Dutiful Husband want to know the gender prior to birth. So, the only thing we know thus far is that Grandchild No. 2 is a likely Capricorn, with an anticipated due date in early January.

    I've got Iguanas (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 04:59:00 PM EST
    bigger than groucho

    E-bay (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 06:52:55 PM EST
    is a wonderful thing

    It is the year of my birth

    Congratulations TL fam (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 07:51:11 PM EST

    We got our household goods on Friday (5.00 / 4) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 08:24:57 PM EST
    The pressure of charging Coleman for hotel and meals I believe assisted in this. The manager of Coleman here got a very good friend who he served in the Army with, and who is now a Coleman driver, to make the delivery. And the driver and crew forfeited their day off for an extra bonus.

    The manager did a walk through mid afternoon. He seemed pretty peeved at us. I think he thought we'd be giving the delivery crew a difficult time, perhaps because we pushed pretty hard to get our belongings before the 20th. We weren't mean spirited though.I started receiving the delivery, checking off boxes and furniture. My husband was able to get home around noon to help.

    A lot of damage though, occurred probably during and after our household goods were containerized.

    My great grandmother's round end table has the top completely ripped from the legs. My grandmother's sewing machine and cabinet that my husband beautifully restored has two very large heartbreaking gouges out of it. My husband says a furniture restorer will make both items appear undamaged. I was really depressed though yesterday. I'm not overly attached to "things". These were the only special items I trusted the movers with though and I was stricken. Never again.

    But we are settling into our house. Josh is applying to finish his final high school year at a Quaker academy. It's very late to apply, but still giving it a go. Wish I had had a working crystal ball and known where and when we'd find a suitable house.

    Hope everyone had a great 4th.

    Congratulations Jeralyn! (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 07:17:26 AM EST
    All the best to the  mom to be in the final weeks! They are a lovely couple. I think it was fine to reveal the question of the gender now in this case since the real question is whether the baby will take after mom or dad - real distinct options there with the blond and brunette!

    Classic (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Lora on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 09:53:39 AM EST
    the sunday shows headline (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 03:52:41 PM EST
    seems to be Trumpcare is DOA

    Arizona Sen. John McCain predicted on Sunday that the Senate GOP's health-care bill is "probably going to be dead." Appearing on CBS' Face the Nation, McCain said publicly what many Republicans are beginning to admit privately. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has struggled to get at least 50 of the 52 Republicans in the upper chamber to come to a consensus, and the unpopular legislation is facing backlash from both conservatives and moderates. McConnell delayed a vote on the legislation until after Congress returns to Washington, D.C. on Monday following the July 4 recess. McConnell himself has acknowledged the possibility of failing to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, in which case he would work with Democrats to fix Obamacare.

    It would (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 06:09:31 PM EST
    just be rich if McConnell ended up having to swallow hard and do Hillary's plan for the fix.

    ironically (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 10:09:14 PM EST
    the threat, and thats exactly what it is, of bipartisanship might be this things last hope for survival.

    i dont think for a minute he will make a real effot to work across party lines.

    remember who we are talking about.

    i do think its funny that Ted Cruz is being given the job of bringing other senators along.  because he is, you know, so popular and trusted.


    Of course (none / 0) (#56)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 06:02:39 AM EST
    it's a threat. McConnell would have to work with that NY Jew Schumer and assorted other demons is what he's telling the GOP base.

    Having anything led by Ted Cruz is an act of utter desperation I would say.


    McConnell and his merry band (none / 0) (#75)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 12:39:05 PM EST
    are never to be trusted. As with the House after not being, at first, able to proceed, Ryan claimed it was over, ACA was the law of the land, only to play possum for a few weeks, let Trump send out some more whacky tweets for distraction, and voila!

    McCain and other mavericks will be "troubled" but will, of course, never miss the opportunity to repeal Obamacare.  McConnell may not succeed, but it will not be for not trying...everything and anything.


    the mystery under the rock (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 04:04:21 PM EST
    has been solved.

    meet Groucho

    who i believe is a groundhog

    yep (none / 0) (#57)
    by jmacWA on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 06:02:39 AM EST
    Definitely a groundhog... hopefully he will not destroy your garden

    Ask him what the weather's going to be. (none / 0) (#72)
    by desertswine on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 11:51:48 AM EST
    But your warthog (none / 0) (#11)
    by fishcamp on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 05:04:02 PM EST
    would eat all the tasty Iguanas.  My cats try to.  

    groundhog (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 05:28:38 PM EST

    he is very cute.  but ive never been able to get close enough to get a good pic.  that one was through the window.  he is like a fat squirrel with a short tail.  

    groundhogs are the bane of gardeners.  fortunately i have no garden.  and dont really plan to.  i think next year i will do some container planting of things like greens and tomatoes on the deck.  but i know between the rabbits and the deer an now Groucho (who i love) that would be an exercise in futility.  


    i have been feeding (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 05:29:59 PM EST
    Groucho.  so he doesnt wander off to the neighbors and get in trouble.

    Groundhogs (none / 0) (#17)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 05:45:23 PM EST
    run rampant in my part of PA. And I am a far piece from Puxatawny. Never really noticed them until I moved to PA. They are horrible pedestrians. Lots of dead groundhogs along the roads here. They are cute chubby little buggers.

    here too (none / 0) (#18)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 06:00:35 PM EST
    i had one in the other yard of the house i just sold.  but i hardly ever saw it.  Groucho is quite bold.

    My friend in Ohio (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 06:12:45 PM EST
    has one of those bold groundhogs who she will find standing up underneath her bird feeders eating the fallen food when she gets up in the morning.

    Groundhogs pretty much took down my step-father's garden. He was going to shoot them but his daughter had a fit so he did put them in a cage and released them somewhere. I guess they became someone else's problem after that.


    woodchucks (none / 0) (#48)
    by Lora on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 10:42:12 PM EST
    as we call 'em here... We've live-trapped I think 3 and released them.  Now that's the tricky part.  Where to do it?  We live in a somewhat rural/suburban mix.  Well, there are roads with cars on them. And houses.  All looking to see what you are doing with a live angry woodchuck at the side of the road.  Not to mention cops.

    We made our releases as if we were bank robbers hiding loot, all near our place of work which boasts acres of lawns and woods framed by country roads.  Lucky the maintenance men never found out!!!


    if i wanted to trap Groucho (none / 0) (#49)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 10:46:33 PM EST
    it would be easy.  he is a sucker for baby carrots.  who isnt.

    he fine under his rock.


    I live in similar circumstances. (none / 0) (#64)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 08:43:31 AM EST
    Not rural, not suburban. But I have a large farmer's field of crops at the end of my street. Usually growing corn, but this year looks like beans or something. And I'm barely 5 miles north of downtown York. Any given day you can see around my neighborhood wild turkey (not the kind in the bottle), deer, skunks, foxes, rabbits (living under my shed), groundhogs and of course, chipmunks and squirrels. Just a few weeks ago, caught a 5ft. black snake slithering across my (well populated) street.

    Don't let him get too bold, or ... (none / 0) (#52)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 03:50:38 AM EST
    ... let yourself get too attached. Woodchucks that lose their fear of humans and / or are otherwise enticed from their burrows by the prospect of an easy meal of baby carrots can become vulnerable targets for stalking predators such as coyotes.

    strong movie recommendations: (none / 0) (#13)
    by linea on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 05:11:56 PM EST
    • okja: on netflix. it's not a korean language film. it's really good. made me cry.
    • the unloved: full movie on youtube. it is about an eleven year old girl placed in the u.k. child welfare system. it's not a documentary but it feels very true.

    Congrats Jeralyn! (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 06:14:43 PM EST
    I guess the gender reveal party must be the new "thing" since several of my friends who are going to be grandparents have gone to these parties.

    I have wondered--whatever became (none / 0) (#44)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 09, 2017 at 09:49:21 PM EST
    of the TL kid.  Did I miss something?  Did he say, mom, you are mortifying me. Please stop posting about me on TL?

    No, he likes it (since (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 10:39:32 AM EST
    Never, he doesn't mind at all. He really was a kid when I started TalkLeft 15 years ago.) I've told the story of his birth so many times (it was the night John Lennon was shot),passing the bar, graduating from law school, photos of us when he was a toddler, lots of photos of him. He even attended the 2006 blogger meeting with Bill Clinton, and went with me on the blogger junket to Amsterdam the same year. Here he is in Amsterdam with Ezra K., Amanda, and Lindsey, and with them and me a few hours earlier.

    You may have missed when they got engaged just before Xmas, and when I showed everyone here how they told me about the baby.


    Thank you for the personal update. (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 01:32:18 PM EST
    Congratulations, Jeralyn. (none / 0) (#51)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 03:42:02 AM EST
    Grandparenthood is awesome.

    Chris Cuomo is verbally beating Kelly anne Conway (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 07:26:38 AM EST
    To death on CNN this morning. Her people keep telling him in his ear piece that he must wrap with her because she has to do go. But she won't go.

    anyone catch the History Channel doc on (none / 0) (#62)
    by ruffian on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 07:54:43 AM EST
    Amelia Earhart last night?

    I thought it was convincing. I liked they had an ex F-16 pilot explains he aviation aspects with a map and data not he winds to explain how she could have been blown off course. And his description of what would have been her 'plan B' if she could not find Howland - go back and find someplace to land before she ran out of fuel. I thought the whole story, backed up by contemporaneous witness accounts and the Office of Naval Intelligence records, really held up.

    Could have lived without the overly dramatic music and quick cuts, but those seem standard on TV documentaries these days.

    Better music - Joni Mitchell's 'Amelia'

    The record doesn't support their contention. (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 03:53:37 PM EST
    ruffian: "I thought the whole story, backed up by contemporaneous witness accounts and the Office of Naval Intelligence records, really held up."

    I watched it, and just as I thought, an entire program was built around one grainy black-and-white photograph of a woman whose back was turned to the camera, which loses resolution as one zooms in. Further, I was appalled at their blatant misrepresentation of the actual historical record, not to mention basic geography.

    The Marshall Islands are 1,000 miles to the northwest of Howland Island, and radio transmissions received from Ms. Earhart by the USS Itasca -- which along with other U.S. Navy vessels had been specifically stationed off Howland Island to assist her in located it and refueling -- clearly placed her in very close proximity to the ship at 8:43 a.m. local time on July 3, 1937, when she disappeared. That is an incontrovertible fact, and is not subject to debate.

    The distance between Earhart's departure point of Lae, Papua New Guinea and Howland Island is about 2,100 miles. How exactly does she get blown off course to the northwest by over 1,000 miles on a 2,100-mile flight, or Fred Noonan make such an egregious error in navigation? For last night's clown show to be correct, Earhart and Noonan would have had to been guilty of a staggering act of gross professional negligence, when neither of them were in any way incompetent.

    This theory falls completely apart just on that basis alone. Even if Earhart and Noonan had changed course toward the Marshall Islands after failing locate Howland Island, there was two hours of fuel left in their Lockheed Electra's tanks, and it would've taken them about 7-8 hours to reach the Marshalls from Howland.

    The famed aviator and her navigator have never been found because they most likely ran out of fuel and had to ditch the plane in the ocean, and it sank before they could get out. The waters in and around Howland Island are over 17,000 feet deep.

    The next best theory is that they somehow managed to locate Nikumaroro Island (aka Gardner Island) in the Phoenix Island chain, which is located about 400 miles SSE of Howland Island and could have possibly been within range of the plane and its fuel reserves once it departed from the vicinity of Howland. It's been hypothesized that Earhart landed there on the surrounding reef, and that she and Noonan subsequently perished from starvation and dehydration.

    The History Channel ought to rename itself the Hysterical Channel, and stick to its chronicles of UFO sightings and other crackpot conspiracy theories.



    Ancient alien theorists... (none / 0) (#79)
    by desertswine on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 05:46:31 PM EST
    say "Yes!"  

    (They always say yes.)


    Watching it tonight (none / 0) (#65)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 09:12:23 AM EST
    Guess who is now being accused of mishandling classified information? There was this guy who held a controversial outside of accepted protocol press conference about a Presidential candidate. Later he became afraid of a crooked President his actions helped elect, and he gave some memos to a Columbia professor attempting to protect himself. Yeah, that guy and those memos.

    recorded (none / 0) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 09:43:26 AM EST
    havent gotten there yet.  sunday.  lots of tv.  

    the two hour mid season finale of FEAR THE WALKING DEAD was excellent.  after a slow start the spinoff is as good as the original.  this season was great.

    and the Alex Baldwin roast was good too.


    Donald Trump Jr (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 09:48:24 AM EST
    has stepped squarely in the big pile of doodoo that is the Russia investigation


    oh my lord (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 10:27:52 AM EST
    That was very... (none / 0) (#78)
    by desertswine on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 03:56:32 PM EST
    unnerving to say the least.

    Did anyone watch (none / 0) (#71)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 11:02:51 AM EST
    The Defiant Ones on HBO last night? You can binge watch all four episodes. I know Dr. Dre and Jimmy Iovine made $3 billion selling Beats to Apple, and Iovine is a huge success as a producer, but I didn't find their life stories unique enough or their personalities interesting enough to watch more than the one episode. I never liked Iovine on American Idol so I'm not surprised, but I did expect the Dr Dre parts to be more interesting. The best part of the first episode was Patti Smith and how Jimmy got Bruce Springsteen to give her the music to "Because the Night" which she added lyrics to and it became her biggest hit. (Here she is singing it at a Springsteen Tribute concert, he's in the audience, loving it.)

    There's a lot of guest stars who say a few lines sitting on a chair in a room somewhere. Almost everyone in the movie is male. So far the only females we've seen more than a line from are Dre's mother, Jimmy's sister, and Patti Smith.

    Haven't seen it yet. (none / 0) (#74)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 12:35:07 PM EST
    But your conclusions don't surprise. I would assume that Patti Smith would have a more interesting story than Dr. Dre or Jimmy Iovine. (full disclosure, I own 4 Patti Smith albums, 0 Dr. Dre.)

    It's a girl (none / 0) (#73)
    by desertswine on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 11:58:10 AM EST
    Happy Day!  Congratulations!

    The PRIME SUSPECT series (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 06:54:10 PM EST
    On PBS is so good.

    But it would be worth watching just for the music.

    It has inspired more that one rummage through the CDs.  

    Oh yeah, THAT!
    I want to hear the rest of that...

    Anybody who likes Pink Floyd ... (none / 0) (#82)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 08:05:30 PM EST
    ... will always be a friend of mine.

    Here's a nice story about ... (none / 0) (#81)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 07:44:02 PM EST
    ... Defense Secretary James Mattis. Last month, after having first obtained Gen. Mattis's contact information from an accidental exposure in the Washington Post, 17-year-old Teddy Fisher of the Mercer Island (WA) High School newspaper The Islander was bold enough to email the Defense Secretary and request an interview.

    Much to the surprise of Fisher (and likely his journalism teacher as well), Gen. Mattis graciously said yes. And much to my surprise, Fisher actually conducted a very good interview, and it's worth a read. I learned more about Gen. Mattis and his worldview from this high school student's questions, than I ever did from the professionals on the eastern seaboard.


    Mattis went to high school (none / 0) (#83)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 10, 2017 at 08:05:50 PM EST
    with my wife, in Washington State. Not recently, needless to say. But the Washington State connection probably was a factor that caught his attention.

    Interesting read, (none / 0) (#86)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 11, 2017 at 01:42:31 PM EST
    seemed to be telling the interviewer, Teddy, that President Obama should have listened more to Secretary Clinton. Otherwise, suggests continuity among the past several administrations, in largest measure.

    General Mattis will be tested by a current pitch by Steve Bannon and Jared Kushner on behalf of Eric Prince, founder of the infamous Blackwater and billionaire owner of DynCorp, a giant military contractor.

     The idea is to rely on contractors instead of American troops in Afghanistan. Secretary Mattis is reported to have listened politely but declined to include outside strategies in a review of policies that he is leading.  Apparently, a major divide between the generals and Trump's political staff. Probably the last person Trump talks to, will win--as is the custom.


    I've only had one child (none / 0) (#85)
    by Suisser1 on Tue Jul 11, 2017 at 12:40:52 AM EST
    That child was a girl (though all my dogs boys... go figure) It was as joy to raise a girl child, not "better" than a boy, just a joy in and of itself. I now have a 19 year old chemistry major with a mad passion for world travel and for her Japanese boy friend. Kid wants to travel everywhere, know everyone, experience everything.
    It could be a worse time to raise a girl-child. Mazel, and good health and blessings to mom and babe.

    Tidying up after the G20. (none / 0) (#87)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 11, 2017 at 02:59:57 PM EST
    The US has apologized for misidentifying China's leader, Xi Jinping, as president of the Republic of China--the formal name of Taiwan.  Mr. Xi is president of the Peoples Republic of China.

    Mr. Trump's Instagram has been corrected, which had identified the president of Singapore as the president of Indonesia.

    A White House statement was corrected that called the prime minister of Japam, Shinzo Abe, President of Japan.