Happy Mother's Day and Open Thread

Happy Mother's Day to All. I got some good news from the TL kids (there are now two) which I can now share. [More....]

When? November. They just moved to a new home, and that's where I'll be today.

Happy Mother's Day to all TL moms -- and to our male readers, don't forget to call (or look up in the sky and say Hi.)

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Congratulations and Happy Mom's Day.... (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by desertswine on Sun May 14, 2017 at 01:54:46 PM EST
    It's charc-burgers and flowers for us today.

    happy (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 14, 2017 at 02:03:05 PM EST
    Congrats (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 14, 2017 at 05:28:46 PM EST
    Jeralyn and Happy Mother's Day to all!

    my Magnolia tree (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 14, 2017 at 07:52:39 PM EST
    is starting to bloom

    i think its going to be loaded with blooms.

    i guess it likes our new subtropical climate

    I am pea green (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 14, 2017 at 08:01:35 PM EST
    with envy. I love magnolias and also gardenias.

    so do i (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 14, 2017 at 08:11:05 PM EST
    its my first magnolia tree

    I have star jasmine on our porch pillars (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Sun May 14, 2017 at 08:13:31 PM EST
    And gardenia bushes planted on the ground between the pillars. Mother's Day is usually when they are in full swing but they all bloomed 2 weeks ago this year.

    Did you know (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 15, 2017 at 05:02:22 PM EST
    that it's also called Confederate Jasmine among other things?

    I did, but I refuse to call it that :) (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 07:23:56 PM EST
    It's offensive to me

    Cheeto's staff (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by MKS on Mon May 15, 2017 at 10:28:03 AM EST
    feeds him fake news articles to manipulate him....and it works....

    Hoax articles, etc.

    Cheeto believes everything the right wingers feed him.....

    Ninth Circuit (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by MKS on Mon May 15, 2017 at 12:27:15 PM EST
    arguments over travel ban.

    Neal Katyal for State of Hawaii.  Very, very good lawyer.  Haven't seen better.

    ... who's certainly no slouch in the courtroom himself. And the best thing about him is that he stands his ground in the media. When Chin offered comments on NBC News a few weeks ago to the effect that the travel ban reflects the warped thinking of a relative handful of white Americans in Washington who've cast themselves as the superior race, conservatives jumped all over him. When subsequently asked by media if he would apologize for having misspoke, he said no, he wouldn't because he didn't and further, he meant every single word.

    Neal Katyal was a professor at Georgetown Law (none / 0) (#25)
    by Peter G on Mon May 15, 2017 at 02:40:01 PM EST
    and then Acting Solicitor General (the government's top appellate lawyer, and third-ranking at the DoJ) in the Obama Administration. He then went into one of the big D.C. firms rather than back into teaching. I agree (from the perspective of being an appellate lawyer myself) that he is superb.

    Wish he could be (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by MKS on Mon May 15, 2017 at 03:31:19 PM EST
    one of the Supremes...

    Here's an excellent summary of the highlights (none / 0) (#42)
    by Peter G on Mon May 15, 2017 at 05:28:31 PM EST
    of the Ninth Circuit argument this morning, from of the best legal journalists around.

    It's not "false" (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Yman on Tue May 16, 2017 at 10:24:28 AM EST
    The guy you voted for lies in a daily basis, but even their denials aren't denying the WP report.  What McMaster said:

    McMaster said, "The story that came out tonight as reported is false."

    He said Trump and the Russian foreign minister went over a "range of common threats," but added, "At no time were intelligence sources or methods discussed. And the president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known."

    McMaster slammed the anonymous sourcing in the report and concluded, "I was in the room, it didn't happen."

    He's right.  When he says that intelligence sources and methods and military operations weren't discussed, he's correct by all accounts.  No one said they were.  That wasn't what was reported, and he never denied that Trump revealed this highly classified information that could compromise or sources.  It's a denial of a strawman claim.

    But you already knew that.

    Tick, tock ...

    Tick, tock ...

    Jim's comment you are replying to (none / 0) (#99)
    by Jeralyn on Tue May 16, 2017 at 07:13:26 PM EST
    was deleted for having false information.
    He's also blogclogging and being put in time out.

    Jim you are in timeout.


    Wonderful! (none / 0) (#3)
    by Towanda on Sun May 14, 2017 at 02:27:50 PM EST
    and welcome to grandmotherhood.

    This is my daughter's first Mother's Day, as my grandson is eight months old today.  Only eight months . . . when his impact makes it seem that he has been part of our lives for far longer.  (Heavens, our youngster already got his first swingset yesterday, as he already loves the swings at the park.)

    A year from now, Jeralyn, as you celebrate your first Mother's Day as a grandmother . . . of a beautiful baby, based on that photo of the parents-to-be . . . you will say the same about the changes ahead in all of your lives.  Enjoy!  

    Mazes tov, Jeralyn, to (none / 0) (#4)
    by caseyOR on Sun May 14, 2017 at 02:50:46 PM EST
    you and the TL kids. What great news.

    Mazel not mazes (none / 0) (#5)
    by caseyOR on Sun May 14, 2017 at 02:51:20 PM EST
    I hate auto correct.

    i turned it off (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 14, 2017 at 03:51:05 PM EST
    and now live with my misssspellings

    The Best People. (none / 0) (#6)
    by KeysDan on Sun May 14, 2017 at 03:47:47 PM EST
    CNN is reporting that Newt Gingrich's Third Lady, Callista, is to be appointed Ambassador to the Vatican.  Perhaps Mrs. Gingrich's can bring some of her husband's social justice policies to the Vatican, such as Newt's idea to have poor students clean the toilets of their rich classmates--to give those nine-year-olds a work ethic.  

    eeuuu (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 14, 2017 at 03:53:25 PM EST
    Orange Boys own third might be a better choise.  Calista give me the creeps.

    Guess, that is both (none / 0) (#13)
    by KeysDan on Sun May 14, 2017 at 05:57:07 PM EST
    Trump and Gingrich's religious qualification: The Trinity.  A good weekend for both: Ambassadorship for Callista, an honorary Doctor of Laws for Trump--from Liberty University.  The Vatican can manage the stain, but I worry about sullying the academic reputation of Liberty U.

    Doctor of Laws :) (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 06:12:55 AM EST
    The irony is not lost on me... (none / 0) (#19)
    by desertswine on Sun May 14, 2017 at 10:40:49 PM EST
    The Educational Fraud King of Trump University giving the commencement address at Falwell's Phony Baloney University.  

    That wouldn't surprise me. (none / 0) (#11)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 14, 2017 at 04:39:29 PM EST
    Perhaps the fervently converted Mr. Gingrich can now advise Pope Francis as to how His Holiness can be a better Catholic, much as he does with the rest of us back here in the States.

    and congratulations (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun May 14, 2017 at 03:55:13 PM EST
    on the new scorpio

    Happy Mother's Day, Jeralyn! (none / 0) (#10)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun May 14, 2017 at 04:33:29 PM EST
    And congratulations on your soon-to-be-realized status as grandmother. Grandparenthood is bliss. Trust me, you'll be amazed at how quickly and naturally you'll take to your new role and assert your matriarchal prerogative to do everything with your grandchild that you once swore you'd never do with your own child -- namely, spoil him or her rotten.

    Elder Daughter, her husband and bambino all flew in from Honolulu yesterday morning. It's been a gray and wet weekend, so we've been mostly homebound. We'll be grilling dinner tonight on the hibachi because at 18 months, the grandson is generally too rambunctious and disruptive to inflict him on other patrons in a restaurant setting. They'll return to Honolulu early tomorrow morning.

    Enjoy the day, everyone.

    Happy Mother's Day Jeralyn and all of TL (none / 0) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Sun May 14, 2017 at 07:24:30 PM EST
    And Congratulations on your good news J.

    Quiet day for us. We had our grandchildren over last night to give their mom some time off and a sleep in Mother's Day.

    We ate simple and just played with the kids.

    AMERICAN GODS (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 07:40:20 AM EST
    is now officially the best thing on tv.   you should be watching.  performances, acting, characters, photogrphy (especially that), music....its amazing.   every week it gets better.

    and its not just the rather shockingly full frontal h0moerotic elements.  but they dont hurt.

    if you know me and my comment history even just here, you know i am borderline obssessed with religion.  not from the being religious point of view but what you might call comparative religion.  how it effects people and events of history.  how one branch effects another.  how religion sees its self.

    if there had hot been a single stiffie or hot encounter (man oh man did they take hot s3x to a new level last night) i would still be obsessed.

    i agree with a review i read recently that "someone" has been dethroned.

    if you care about the history of tv entertainment you will watch eventually.  just give up and participate while its happening.

    OK, I will get the STARZ app on my apple TV (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by ruffian on Mon May 15, 2017 at 02:55:12 PM EST
    So many raves about this show, I cannot miss it. And I love Ian McShane too much to miss it anyway! I hard one bit of dialog that had me 95% there. I can cancel the STARZ after it is done...or maybe it is already available for rent on iTunes?

    Speaking of obsessed with religion,are you watching The Leftovers?  This is the final season and they are letting the freak flag fly. the opening scene last night was so great. I was riveted, and not just because a hot guy was running naked - most shows would have had some exposition dialogue about a nuke launched in the south Pacific, and let it go at that!

    Only a few episodes left to see if Kevin is really the 2nd coming.


    OMG yes (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 03:15:11 PM EST
    Leftovers is without a doubt the second best thing on TV

    the 2 hour finale of Guerilla a pretty F-ing amazing


    Oh no, I don't even know what Guerilla is... (none / 0) (#30)
    by ruffian on Mon May 15, 2017 at 03:39:01 PM EST
    don't get me started.

    I binged the 'Dear White People' series on Netflix yesterday. Really interesting and funny. Well done!


    Ian as God (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 04:56:20 PM EST

    You will hear about it at awards time


    John Ridley (none / 0) (#36)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 04:59:29 PM EST
    12 Years a Slave and more

    I just saw Jimi, All Is By My Side

    Jimi Hendrix

    See it


    GuerRilla (none / 0) (#50)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 06:48:57 PM EST
    based on the trailer (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 07:47:11 PM EST
    Jimmy becomes "s'all good man" tonight.

    what a great season.  its merging with Breaking Bad in in best possible way.


    Saul Goodman lives! (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue May 16, 2017 at 07:34:22 AM EST
    Towerload (none / 0) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 07:47:26 AM EST
    `American Gods' Airs the Most Explicit Gay S3x Scene Mainstream TV Has Ever Seen: VIDEO


    worth noting that the scene they are talking about was two middle eastern men speaking arabic.


    Congratulations J! (none / 0) (#27)
    by ruffian on Mon May 15, 2017 at 02:57:36 PM EST
    Hope you and the new mom-to-be had a great day yesterday, and that all goes smoothly the rest of her term. They surely are an adorable couple!

    Self inflicted wounds (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Mon May 15, 2017 at 03:44:57 PM EST
    So 10 days ago I was minding my own business walking in my own house and I slammed my baby toe on the leg of an ottoman. OUCH!!!!  Taped it to its buddy toe and didn't got to the urgent care until the weekend was over and it provided a good excuse to skip work for a couple of hours :-) Fractured!!!!  Now I have a little flat shoe and the toe is healing, but one side of my back is sore as heck from favoring the other side. Advil is a miracle drug. I don't want any opioid induced anything!

    Trump shenanigans are a distraction - for once my brain hurts less than my body!

    HAha (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 04:27:15 PM EST
    recently been there while moving

    seriously tho (none / 0) (#46)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 06:04:33 PM EST

    You have my empathy and sympathy. (none / 0) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 15, 2017 at 06:01:23 PM EST
    This last week, I've finally gotten rid of that walking boot I'd been wearing for six weeks after badly fracturing the three outer toes on my right foot. My foot still hurts a little but at least it's tolerable, and I can walk normally without looking like I'm channeling Marty Feldman in "Young Frankenstein." And better yet, I can now drive again! I couldn't do so while wearing that big heavy boot, and I had to mostly rely on my younger daughter for chauffeur service.

    I did the same thing you did by walking accidentally into a piece of furniture at home. Only in my instance, I did so in the dark because I had foolishly turned off all the lights in the living room after watching the 10:00 p.m. news, sure that I could find my way to the bedroom. Wrong! My right foot found one of the legs to our mahogany coffee table instead, which like your ottoman also proved to be an immovable object upon contact.

    30 minutes later, my entire foot was swelling fast and the pain was absolutely excruciating, so I knew my injury was likely serious because I otherwise have a very high pain threshold. My wife drove me to the emergency room at Hilo Medical Center, which fortunately is only five minutes from home. Even luckier for me, it was a very slow night in the ER, so they took me right in and promptly took care of me. We were in and out and back home in less than two hours.

    Now both you and I can attest to the fact that indeed, the most common of personal injuries tend to occur at home and are often the result of our own carelessness. You don't realize how important your toes are to your maintenance of bipedal balance, until you first injure them and then compensate for it by changing your posture while trying to walk. Like you, I've had nagging back pain as well, which is only now subsiding.

    Hope you feel better really soon. Aloha.


    If this isn't grounds for impeachment (none / 0) (#33)
    by Chuck0 on Mon May 15, 2017 at 04:35:36 PM EST
    Trump gave highly classified information to Russian diplomats. then I guess it's true. Captain Cheeto CAN shoot someone on 10th avenue and get away with it. All you Trumpets caterwauling about HRC's emails had better get off the Trump train and start chanting "LOCK HIM UP".

    I think the GOP (none / 0) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 15, 2017 at 05:00:19 PM EST
    is just fine with Trump giving highly classified information to the Russians sorry to say. Remember giving up classified information to the Russians is what Putin has been paying him for and Trump has to do something in return for what Putin did to help him get into office.

    The Moron-In-Chief ... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Yman on Mon May 15, 2017 at 05:14:02 PM EST
    ... needs a full time babysitter.

    There are no words anymore.


    You know they won't do that. (none / 0) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon May 15, 2017 at 06:06:10 PM EST
    Indeed, recent polls have suggested quite the opposite, that most Trumpeteers share Dear Leader's inexplicable affinity for all thing Moscow.

    Newsweek has new poll today (none / 0) (#69)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon May 15, 2017 at 08:33:30 PM EST
    indicating Trump has lost significant support among White non-college attendees - down 10 pts!

    Yeah, but McMaster (none / 0) (#49)
    by MKS on Mon May 15, 2017 at 06:45:46 PM EST
    and Tillerson are saying (sorta) it ain't so.

    McMaster was a bit cagey and said that no sources or methods were revealed.  That is not exactly the gist of the story that classified information, not known to our allies, was shared.


    McMaster is an active duty soldier (none / 0) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 07:16:10 PM EST
    Who is his commander? McMaster won't break with that. In fact he can't unless he wants Leavenworth lodgings.

    If an impropriety occurred you aren't going to hear about it from McMaster right now. Maybe after he's retired and the current administration okays him spillin.


    The source is (none / 0) (#51)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon May 15, 2017 at 06:55:17 PM EST

    Fancy that!!! (lol)

    And the WH has flatly denied it.


    "And the WH has flatly denied it." (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Erehwon on Mon May 15, 2017 at 07:07:11 PM EST
    Let's put the needed double quotes around that!

    BTW - They actually haven't (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Yman on Mon May 15, 2017 at 07:20:00 PM EST
    ... denied it.  Read their statements.  They are denying things that weren't being reported:

    "The story that came out tonight as reported is false," McMaster said.

    "At no time, at no time were intelligence sources or methods discussed and the president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known."

    Which, of course, is not what was reported. In fact, the report specifically states that specific sources and methods were not identified, but that the information Trump gave the Russians could help identify the sources (and possibly) methods.

    Four statements from the WH using the same language, denying claims that was never made, and remaining silent on the claims made in the report.

    Strawman denials.

    Tick, tock ... tick, tock ...  


    Wrong ... as usual (LOL!) (none / 0) (#52)
    by Yman on Mon May 15, 2017 at 07:05:55 PM EST
    It wasn't one source ... it was sources (plural).

    But say the part about "WH has flatly denied it" one more time.  Just give me a few minutes to stop laughing and catch my breath, then go ahead and do it.

    Heh, heh, heh ...


    jimakaPPJ: "The source is anonymous. Fancy that!!! (lol) And the WH has flatly denied it."

    ... something that was never alleged in the first place. The statement released by National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster this evening is a classic example of both a strawman argument and a non-denial denial:

    "A brief statement for the record. There is nothing that the president takes more seriously than the security of the American people. The story that came out tonight as reported is false. The president of the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats to our two countries, including threats to civil aviation. At no time, at no time, were intelligent sources or methods discussed. The president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known. Two other senior officials who were present, including the secretary of the state, remember the meeting the same way and have said so. Going on the record should outweigh the anonymous sources. I was in the room. It didn't happen. Thanks, everybody." (Emphasis is mine.)

    Now this is important, because the Washington Post never accused Trump of either divulging sources and uses directly to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Ambassador Sergei Kislyak, or revealing to them the existence of a heretofore classified U.S. military operation in the Levant region.

    Rather, the Post said that Trump had instead revealed highly classified information to the two men about the inner workings of Islamic State, from which information regarding the U.S. Intelligence Community's sources and methods can likely be inferred by their counterparts in Russian intelligence.

    I'm happy to have cleared up that misunderstanding for you, before you further proceeded to dig yourself into a deeper rhetorical hole by once again doubling down on the Trump administration's incompetence and stupidity.

    Have a nice evening.


    The source or sources or (none / 0) (#75)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue May 16, 2017 at 07:07:02 AM EST
    smoke signals or a note passed across the room is/are anonymous.

    That means we have positively absolutely no way of knowing anything for sure beyond the fact that the people involved haven't the courage to stand up and admit who they are.

    The WH has denied the story. PERIOD.

    And I am thrilled beyond words to point that out to you.


    Haven't checked Twitter, yet? (none / 0) (#76)
    by Yman on Tue May 16, 2017 at 07:21:50 AM EST
    Because - apart from the fact that your devil claim is false - the Liar-in-Chief cane or defending his right to release the information to the Russians.


    Doesn't it get to be embarrassing at done poin?  Constantly being caught defending Trump's lies?


    "denial" claim (none / 0) (#77)
    by Yman on Tue May 16, 2017 at 07:24:48 AM EST
    Although, sometimes autofill nails it.

    Yes he has that right (none / 0) (#80)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue May 16, 2017 at 07:43:19 AM EST
    and him saying that has nothing to do with the
    anonymous claim(s) published in the WP.

    The WH has denied the story.

    Let me know when your sources step up and show themselves.


    Straw man "denials" (none / 0) (#83)
    by Yman on Tue May 16, 2017 at 08:20:18 AM EST
    The WH sent out four different spokesmen with the same, non-denials.  They said Trump never revealed sources and methods or secret military operations.  Of course, that's not what the WP report stated.  The report stated that Trump revealed highly classified information asking with the location where the information was obtained, which information could lead to the sources and methods.

    Dud you see how fast McMasters ran away after using his strawnan denial?  Can't imagine his embarrassment.

    BTW - The sources shouldn't reveal themselves.  Even those in his inner circle realize. the man-chikd in the oval office can't be trusted. He needs someone to babysit him.


    Your delusions are mind boggling. (none / 0) (#78)
    by Chuck0 on Tue May 16, 2017 at 07:29:35 AM EST
    The clown is dangerous to us all. He needs to go. By any means necessary. You are welcome to twist that statement into whatever wingnut pretzel you want. I don't care how its perceived or interpreted.

    Leave (none / 0) (#82)
    by FlJoe on Tue May 16, 2017 at 08:08:29 AM EST
    aside what tRump did or did not say to the Russians, do you think it's appropriate for him to be yucking it up with the Russians while they are constantly do s**t like this?
    Earlier this week an armed Russian Su-27 intercepted a US P-8A Poseidon surveillance plane flying as close as 20 feet according to reports.  The P-8A was flying in international airspace in the Black Sea region. This incident occurred the day before President Trump met with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.
    You would think an old "Naval Aviation" hand would be at least mildly disturbed....but no it's Pucker up for Putin from the quislings.

    As someone who acually (none / 0) (#85)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue May 16, 2017 at 09:12:56 AM EST
    was in the Cold War any untoward act by any country involving our military concerns me.

    But I learned years ago that talking is better than shooting.

    In fact,it was Obama who, during his campaign in '68, who agreed and said he would talk with anyone.

    But I never did figure out what he meant when he said to the Russian Medvedev

    "This is my last election ... After my election I have more flexibility," Obama said.....

    And then we had Ted Kennedy wanting the Soviet's help in Reagan's election....


    This (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by FlJoe on Tue May 16, 2017 at 09:23:17 AM EST
    is not about Obama, Kennedy or the cold war. It is you and tRump who are cozying up to the same Russians who are currently putting our military members at extreme risk, you disgust me, traitor.

    Hah! What Jim was to the Cold War, ... (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue May 16, 2017 at 12:23:52 PM EST
    jimakaPPJ: "As someone who was [actually] was in the Cold War any untoward act by any country involving our military concerns me."

    ... George W. Bush once was to the game of football,


    Anyone who served... (none / 0) (#101)
    by unitron on Sat May 20, 2017 at 03:25:51 AM EST
    ...even stateside, was in much greater danger than the average civilian of death or dismemberment, if only from training accidents.

    The guys in the helicopter which came apart in mid-air over an A&P about 3 or 4 blocks from our house may never have been in Vietnam, but they were just as dead.


    I can't link (none / 0) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 15, 2017 at 04:53:47 PM EST
    because it's behind a paywall but WaPo is reporting that Trump gave the Russians highly classified information in his meeting with them.

    See whether this link (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Peter G on Mon May 15, 2017 at 05:22:42 PM EST
    Thanks (none / 0) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 15, 2017 at 05:45:15 PM EST
    yes, that one works.

    Oh God, I'm sick to my stomach (none / 0) (#54)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 07:11:31 PM EST
    Oh dear God

    By (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by FlJoe on Mon May 15, 2017 at 07:52:42 PM EST
    now Comey should be way past mildly nauseous into escape velocity projectile vomiting.

    "I get great intel!!" (none / 0) (#62)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 07:55:15 PM EST
     Trump bragged to the Russian officials, according to the Washington Post, before sharing it.

    Trump needs to be impeached (none / 0) (#64)
    by MKS on Mon May 15, 2017 at 08:17:12 PM EST
    The Republicans need to grow a pair.....

    Me too (none / 0) (#68)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon May 15, 2017 at 08:30:46 PM EST
    McMaster is denying but (none / 0) (#65)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon May 15, 2017 at 08:20:13 PM EST
    I think his words were very carefully parsed indicating names, and other specifics were not given.

    I don't know if you follow Claude Taylor on twitter, but he's saying that more action is underway and EDVA is given priority to all things related to Trump/Russia.

    Based on everything i've read on twitter and the upcoming all Senate meeting with Rosenstein & Boente, I think far more is going on. It is so hard to sit by and see the rule of law treated as a joke and all our institutions trashed.  

    Sorry, I'm trying to write a paper due tomorrow and I can't stay away from the news. I had the privilege of seeing "Hamilton" a few weeks ago, and found myself crying on and off throughout the entire performance over the loss of our country...


    One of the reporters (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 08:30:35 PM EST
    Just explained what he (McMaster) said was irrelevant.  He said Trump did not disclose "sources and methods"
    The piece never said he did.  He disclosed information that would allow the Russians to easily figure out the sources and methods.

    But the information disclosed is the problem.  So much for paragon of virtue and hope McMaster. IMO.


    Like deer in the headlights (none / 0) (#73)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon May 15, 2017 at 10:37:07 PM EST
    Yup (none / 0) (#95)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 16, 2017 at 11:31:00 AM EST
    He's over for me.

    Sorry, distracted (none / 0) (#66)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon May 15, 2017 at 08:30:19 PM EST
    so repeated news given above.

    my fear is thats (none / 0) (#44)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 05:47:04 PM EST
    what he wants you to think

    He's compromising intelligence sources (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 07:21:03 PM EST
    I wonder why he would do that? Soon our past intel partners (FIEY) will feel like they don't dare trust our administration with sensitive intel about Russia. I wonder why he would do that?

    What a snake. I never thought he was capable of this. Really didn't.


    yeah (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon May 15, 2017 at 07:34:14 PM EST
    being said the worst possible fallout could our allies will simply no longer share intelligence with us fearing it will not be safe.

    god help us.


    It works though (none / 0) (#87)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 16, 2017 at 09:28:42 AM EST
    I don't believe he is capable of true thought out counterintel actions, not like Putin is capable of....HA! Hey, why am I laughing, that's truth and my nation is being deeply compromised. Sigh...Freaking Trump makes ME crazy now.

    The person I know with what I believe is a striking similarity to Trump personality pathology does this though and it's instinctive to almost a staggering degree. They get truthful honest feedback from a friendly associate, feedback that they don't like, they begin to subtlely undermine that associate's confidence if they can, and they try to undermine support of that associate from anyone else.

    When the Flynn thing went down my spouse was sort of thrown. His first MOS was the same as Chelsey Manning, and he worked in signal intelligence. As was also reported, someone with Flynn's career history knows that any conversation you have over a telephone with an embassy or an Ambassador is being monitored by at least five different nations but assume more, much more :) How did Flynn come to make the judgement calls that he did? I suppose the answer lies in the outrageous arrogance that can easily be found in Flynn's history and record of service, the things he was allowed to get away with while in service to our country. And the shared feeding of narcissism he had going on with Trump.

    When word of Flynn's calls got out, nobody in intel could believe that someone who was promoted into the ranks Flynn was could forget he was being recorded by 10 nations and 10 organizations outside of who he served. It is still hard for most to even ponder. It is evidence of how vulnerable we can be and it's very hard for some people to fathom. And in order to undermine our democracy Russia is probably a player too in making certain that Flynn's conversations as well as everyone else Trump affiliated eventually gets out. Russia may have been the true leak. And if you want to undermine US democracy, well it's what they would have done right after a Presidential transition of power.

    Obama ran a tight ship. I'm sure Putin had phuck-in had it!

    But it is pretty safe to assume that Five Eyes nations have signal intelligence on Flynn, and the whole Trump organization for that matter. And rumors out there are that the chain of custody for all of this intelligence has been rigorous.

    In true counterintel form though, Putin will only strategically expose Trump, for the purpose of maximum damage to the world's construct of democracy.

    Stunning though

    Armando hopes Dems take the House in 2018 and then Trump decides to quit. The person I know who operates like Trump, when they finally got themselves into legal trouble, they still did not initially quit. They had a health crisis though, their heart could not handle what their personality was putting them through, and it went wild. Specialists could not find anything specifically wrong. They are not Trump's age though. But that's what did "stop" them, for now, but I'm betting it is only temporary. Hoping it isn't, but emotionally prepared if it is.

    I think Trump will have a health crisis, a real health crisis, before he "quits"

    Feeling very sorry right now for my nation, those standing on the front lines of this most of all. You are all under attack and it's going to get worse before it gets better. What am I supposed to say to them though while they are surrounded, the enemy has breached their lines? Oh yeah, something stupid like stay frosty. What A Mess!!!!!


    I remember (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 15, 2017 at 08:09:33 PM EST
    after the election the intelligence community warning foreign agencies about Trump. Now instead of doing the right thing Trump will do the wrong thing and act like a third world dictator and start going after who he thinks might have leaked. Apparently the entire White House staff has locked themselves in their office and are in complete meltdown mode because this comes on the heels of Trump firing Comey.

    If any of them were truly patriots (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by Chuck0 on Mon May 15, 2017 at 08:48:44 PM EST
    they would resign immediately. Anyone with any self respect and integrity would refuse to serve this dangerous clown.

    True (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue May 16, 2017 at 02:52:56 AM EST
    but honestly most of those people saw what Trump was from the beginning and refused to work in his administration. So basically Trump hired the dregs and they are acting like dregs.

    They didn't think it was going (none / 0) (#90)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 16, 2017 at 09:38:38 AM EST
    To be this bad

    How could anything Americana be this bad?


    He's going to take people straight to hell (none / 0) (#89)
    by Militarytracy on Tue May 16, 2017 at 09:37:36 AM EST
    While he basks in executive priviledge. You are done forever in this country if you work for Trump and you aren't getting out NOW!

    Spicer's going, I can feel it. I bet he's going on his own steam. He just got back from "serving", being in the presence of all "those people". I bet his head is a mess today!!!! He doesn't know if he's coming or going. He's trying to find any escape hatch possible is my bet.


    Belated Congratulations Jeralyn (none / 0) (#70)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon May 15, 2017 at 08:35:46 PM EST
    all the best of health and happiness...

    No, not the FBI (none / 0) (#98)
    by Peter G on Tue May 16, 2017 at 01:45:25 PM EST
    the Secret Service.  Whenever I read or hear the expression "by any means necessary" my mind goes here.

    the comment you are replying to (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Jeralyn on Tue May 16, 2017 at 07:15:23 PM EST
    was deleted, as was Chucko's original comment. It was unacceptable. Commenters may not advocate getting rid of anyone here.