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Eyes on the New York Primary

Forget Wisconsin, all eyes are moving to New York. NY is Trump territory for sure, he's largely favored to win there.

As to Hillary and Bernie, the Washington Post has this report on delegates today. Shorter version: Hillary's far ahead (700 votes) in total delegate votes, leading Bernie 1,749 to 1,061. [More...]

Bernie Sanders has netted 10 delegates over Hillary Clinton after winning Wisconsin. In all, Sanders won 48 delegates to Clinton’s 38 on Tuesday.

And he has now won 15 states compared to 18 for Clinton. But Sanders still trails Clinton by a large margin. Based on primaries and caucuses alone, Clinton now has 1,280 delegates while Sanders has 1,030.

Including superdelegates, or party officials who can back any candidate, Clinton holds a more substantial lead — 1,749 to Sanders’ 1,061.

Cruz has no prayer (pun intended) in New York.

As to how Republicans are sitting right now, Reuters reports:

1,237 delegates [are]needed for the Republican presidential nomination. He [Trump] has 743 delegates so far, and Cruz 517, with Ohio Governor John Kasich trailing well back with 143 delegates, according to an Associated Press count.

I'd rather wait for the votes to come in than speculate on a Republican open convention. I'm just not that into them to follow the possibilities.

I'm also confident Hillary will be the Democratic nominee. I have no problem with Sanders staying in the race until it's clear to him he can't win, but he needs to stop the attacks on Hillary and limit himself to why he thinks he would make a better President. He's not just hurting Hillary with his attacks, he's hurting the Democratic Party.

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    Jeralyn -- I completely agree with (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by Cashmere on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 05:15:10 PM EST
    your sentiments re: Bernie Sanders.  

    Maybe back in 08 (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by Suisser1 on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 05:56:03 PM EST
    things weren't so much carried on on FB and the like, but even after months of it, I'm really taken aback by the degree to which Sanders supporters troll all of HRC's posts. Something about just not permitting people have any space to support their candidate without pushing in with aggressive, rude comments. The campaign, and it's tone, are at least in part responsible. As a woman it really, really reminds me of every job, club, family I've ever been a part of in which women's voices were marginalized. In other words, they are having exactly the effect they intend... talk about who is really "destroying" the Democratic party.

    In his piece at Politico (5.00 / 5) (#39)
    by Nemi on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 07:30:40 AM EST
    Glenn Thrush puts this quote

    ("There is, as you well know, a very negative, intense barrage of attacks on anybody who supports me. I did not see that in '08," she said).

    from his interview with Hillary Clinton in parenthesis. He really needn't have done that.

    As Amanda Marcotte wrote In a piece at Salon a week ago:

    Saying Clinton's moxie inspires you invariably attracts derogatory sneers about how you're a "vagina voter". Supporting Clinton requires dialing down the enthusiasm, couching it in lots of reassurances that Sanders is a great guy (reassurances Sanders supporters feel no need to offer about Clinton), and striking an apologetic stance for wanting to see a female president. Ideally, you have a daughter you can wield as shield for the female president thing, since it may not be okay to want it for yourself, but you are a little more allowed to want it for your daughter.

    That's exactly what I see both reading comments from other women - do male Hillary supporters experience the same thing? - and from personal experience: If you want to be taken seriously and listened to and don't want to be ridiculed and sneered at - or worse! - you better tone down and 'couch' your entusiasm for Hillary Clinton.

    It saddens me, especially on behalf of young women, but it also infuriates me. And like Amanda Marcotte it's also my experience that no Hillary supporter, whether an 'ordinary' voter or a more high profile person, writes nice things about Hillary Clinton without going out of their way to at the same time - sometimes even foremost! - praise Bernie Sanders to high heavens. As an example the endorsement from the Rolling Stone Magazine editor read almost as an excuse for picking the nextbest candidate!

    And like Amanda Marcotte I have yet to see the opposite: A Sanders endorser praising Hillary. She continues:

    There's a lot of pressure on Clinton supporters to tone down the enthusiasm, but that shouldn't be confused with an actual lack of enthusiasm for Clinton. They may be quieter, but as Clinton's continued dominance at the polls shows, volume doesn't matter when you're casting a ballot. Or as Dave Weigel was saying on Twitter Tuesday morning:

       Clinton has won around 9 m votes. Trump has won around 7.8 m.

       The stories: How Hillary's blowing it, how Trump changed everything

    Not unlike this:

    Q: "When's a win not a win?"
    A: "When Hillary Clinton is the winner."

    Sigh ... and arrrghhh!

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    My brother (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by smott on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 08:38:43 AM EST
    Cried when Obama was elected. We're not black, but he had a deep emotional attachment to O I think because he's a bit of a cool smart guy and that was really appealing especially after W Bush's anti intellectualism.

    But when I said I hoped for Clinton in part because I was inspired at the notion of the first woman US President (in response to him saying she was not inspiring) he said I shouldn't vote because of her gender.

    He has 3 sons BTW  - all for Sanders, as is he.

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    As a male boomer (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by mm on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 08:58:20 AM EST
    I am truly shocked by the negative feelings toward Hillary Clinton from so many young women.

    It is not just that they will politely say they prefer Sanders, but you get almost a vicious pavlovian reaction to just the mention of her name or the suggestion that electing her as the first woman president should be exiting.  It is truly depressing.

    Exit polls said over 80% of Democratic voters thought Sanders was more honest and truthful.  There is no rational explanation.  It is not even close.  Their minds have been poisoned by the relentless attacks against her from the media and the right.

    Not in a good mood today.

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    It's (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 09:09:21 AM EST
    the anti woman culture that is so prevalent these days. It is on full display with Hillary running. There are even women who say women should not be president. So even women have bought into the fact that they are lesser people.

    I think with Bernie young people have been exposed to being very gullible. It never occurred to them to actually ask Bernie how he was going to accomplish what he said.

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    I agree with you (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by mm on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 09:28:30 AM EST
    but that doesn't explain her ridiculous negative poll numbers for honesty and trustworthiness.  That is specific to her and it is no accident.  

    There is no rational objective reason to have this trait being so severely skewed against her.

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 11:14:34 AM EST
    there's no basis for comparison since no other woman has reached the heights Hillary has in politics.

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    That rare thing (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 06:20:31 PM EST
    A reasonably fair and interesting piece on Hillary in Politico.

    Hillary has had enough of Bernie

    I'm listening to ... (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 09:14:56 PM EST
    the podcast interview with her.

    It's one of her most candid, interesting interviews in quite a while.  Very real and human.  But also full of cogent commentary on policy and politics.

    It would serve her well if this got passed around over the next few months.

    It's Hillary Clinton at her best.

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    Who is conducting the interview? (none / 0) (#24)
    by sallywally on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 12:39:09 AM EST
    I'd like to hear it.

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    Glenn Thrush. (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 12:51:14 AM EST
    Links to transcript and recording in howdy's link above.

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    I started listening (none / 0) (#32)
    by Nemi on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 06:22:49 AM EST
    just before bedtime, but had to stay up and listen to the whole thing. It was that good. :)

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    It really is. (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 03:31:49 PM EST
    If this gets passed around a lot via social media it will do her a world of good.

    It really counters many of the common misconceptions about her.  And shows what a challenging general election candidate she'll be.

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#59)
    by honora on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 12:04:04 PM EST
    I would have missed this, because Thrush is usually so anti-Clinton.  It is great.

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    Apparently Clinton said something to the effect (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by sallywally on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 07:21:43 PM EST
    that Bernie might apologize to the Sandy Hook families for his vote to not hold gun manufacturers responsible for crimes committed with their weapons, and Sanders said Clinton  should aplogize for all the lives lost in Iraq and all the jobs lost because of the trade agreements she supported. (How many did she support, anyway? I seem to recall that she didn't support NAFTA and voted against CAFTA and is now opposed to TPP)

    He's melting down (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 07:30:50 PM EST
    and it's not pretty.

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    It was the daughter of the Sandy Hook slain (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by NJDem on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 07:59:42 PM EST
    elementary school principle who asked for the apology from Sanders.  Hillary simply tweeted her support to the daughter.  LINK  

    I found his response about the Iraq war and trade agreements really unfortunate.  Just not a good look...

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    Thanks for the correction. (none / 0) (#9)
    by sallywally on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 08:18:22 PM EST
    Bernie did look mean-spirited. I wonder if this version of him will be at the Clinton debate.

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    You're welcome. I didn't mean to correct you (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by NJDem on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 08:41:48 PM EST
    as much as point out it's even worse!  This poor woman lost her father and his reaction seemed terribly insensitive...

    Rachel Maddow just said Sanders is adding to his stump speech the fact that Hillary isn't qualified to be president.  Video coming shortly.  What a nasty turn this race has taken--especially after Sanders laid off attacks in his speech last night, which was a welcomed change and important for the unity and success of the Party...

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    Can't find a link to the video, but (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by NJDem on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 09:02:31 PM EST
    Sanders said, "She has been saying lately that I am 'not qualified' to be president. Well let me just say in response to Secretary Clinton: I don't believe that she is qualified if she is through her super PAC taking tens of millions of dollars in special interest funds," he told a crowd in Philadelphia.

    I do not believe she said those words, at all.  She just called him out on his Daily News interview and lack of Dem Party bona fides.

    BTD discussing this on Twitter.  MSNBC covering it now.  

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    You are exactly right. (none / 0) (#17)
    by sallywally on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 11:18:20 PM EST
    MSNBC said Sanders's campaign is sending out a fundraising letter that says Hillary called him unqualified to be President. If he keeps this up he will tear the party apart.

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    Except Hillary Clinton never said that. (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 01:42:25 AM EST
    sallywally: "MSNBC said Sanders's campaign is sending out a fundraising letter that says Hillary called him unqualified to be President."

    Rather, she had earlier remarked that Sen. Sanders "didn't do his homework" prior to being interviewed by the New York Daily News.

    In my honest opinion, I consider that to have been was a perfectly fair (if loaded) observation on her part since, after all, we're obviously in the middle of a vigorously contested Democratic presidential primary campaign.

    But it's my understanding that a reporter DID actually ask Mrs. Clinton during a follow-up whether she was perhaps suggesting that Sanders wasn't qualified to be president. To her credit, she refused to rise to the bait and merely responded, "That's for the voters to decide."

    Bernie Sanders has now offered up a baseless personal disparagement of Mrs. Clinton's character, and one which is further anchored upon his own very deliberate misinterpretation of her earlier comments. This is something he had clearly and specifically vowed never to do, when he first embarked upon this journey. And I daresay it's probably not going to sit very well with a lot of older Democrats who remember his pledge.

    Personally, I think if Sen. Sanders and his supporters keep this up, they will run a considerable risk of self-marginalizing at a key moment in this process, which could potentially negate much of the considerable success and good will he's garnered up to this point.

    While he obviously can't walk back this false claim and intemperate remark given that it's now in print, what Sanders can do henceforth is to not make any more of them, and further instruct his campaign flacks and senior staff to do the same.

    Aloha.

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    It was Joe Scarborough on Morning Joe (5.00 / 5) (#29)
    by mm on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 05:21:37 AM EST
    and he kept baiting her by repeatedly asking her if Sanders is qualified to be President.

    She didn't take the bait.  

    I'm sorry, but Sanders is clearly unstable.  He is angry that he is getting criticized for his NY Daily News debacle interview and is lashing out now at her.  

    One of the Sandy Hook victims parents asked him a question about his position on gun manufacturer's liability and he turns it into an attack on Clinton's vote to authorize the use of force in Iraq.  The question had nothing to do with Hillary Clinton.

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    Not good under pressure. (5.00 / 7) (#38)
    by sallywally on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 07:20:28 AM EST
    Very thin-skinned,  especially compared to Hillary. I don't see him surviving an 11-hour grilling by the likes of Trey Gowdy and friends without lashing out big time. He hasn't had anything negative thrown at him or been called out on his inability to explain how he would institute his policies. There has been almost no factual scrutiny of this man by the media.

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    Thank you for that clarification, mm. (none / 0) (#84)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 02:18:55 PM EST
    I never watch "Morning Joe" because it airs at midnight out here. It figures that it would be someone like Joe Scarborough to manufacture controversy with a question wholly predicated upon an undue assumption.

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    Pretty much as I suspected. (5.00 / 3) (#88)
    by mm on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 02:29:25 PM EST
    Joe Scarborough:

    I tried to get Hillary Clinton four times -- three or four times to say that Bernie Sanders was unqualified to be president of the United States and just like my interview with Rick Santorum, I start asking a question, I keep going being I get an answer or give up and after three or four attempts with Secretary Clinton I gave up because she was not going to say the words he is unqualified to be president of the United States.

     LINK

    That's why they pay you the big bucks, Joe.  Relentless in your efforts to stir up controversy and a Democratic sh**storm.

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    And kudos to him for attempting to set the record straight, by noting that he and not Mrs. Clinton was the one who had first suggested that Bernie Sanders is unqualified for the presidency, and that she simply refused to go there.

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    It's time for Obama (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by jbindc on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 07:36:05 AM EST
    To have a private "come to Jesus" conversation with Sanders to tell him to knock it off.

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    Why (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by FlJoe on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 07:55:12 AM EST
    would he listen to Obama? I doubt Sanders thinks he is qualified to be president. One cross word from Obama and Bernie's camp would be accusing him of trying to break up the Democratic party and selling the country out to his Wall Street masters.

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    I think Obama still has some leverage (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by jbindc on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 08:16:31 AM EST
    Bernie has been bashing (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Apr 08, 2016 at 04:53:00 PM EST
    And trash mouthing Obama for 6 months.  I think you over estimate Os influence on the situation.  

    The thing is Sanders is almost 80 years old.  He doesn't give a damn how many bridges he burns as long as he stays in the headlines as long as possible.

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    Maybe (none / 0) (#127)
    by FlJoe on Fri Apr 08, 2016 at 09:36:09 PM EST
    Elizabeth Warren can talk some sense into him, but I fear it's too late, he has become a prisoner of the process and he seems to be developing an almost messianic tenacity.

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    No, (none / 0) (#128)
    by Nemi on Sat Apr 09, 2016 at 05:56:54 AM EST
    with all due respect Capt'n, 74 is not almost 80.

    Instead of moving into ageist territory let's embrace Bernie Sanders' and Donald Trump's ages, as that is what have saved us from hearing/reading constant sneers about 'old hack' Hillary Clinton's age.

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    Wev (none / 0) (#129)
    by CaptHowdy on Sat Apr 09, 2016 at 09:31:56 AM EST
    Why do you think the are so hot for Paulie Ryan.

    Anyway, my point was his political career is basically over once he is out of this race.  When his term is up in two years.  If he chooses he will be almost 80.

    I actually thought he was 76 because I thought remember reading someplace he would be 77 if and when inaugurated.  Then I remember what it said was he would be 75 and Reagan was 77 when he left office.

    Noticed something else when I googled, if you google "Bernie Sanders" the first choice is "age"

    I'm not surprised.  Whatever his age he looks acts and sounds like an old coot.

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    No need (none / 0) (#131)
    by Nemi on Sat Apr 09, 2016 at 02:07:47 PM EST
    to 'wev' me - or my comment. Just saying.

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    Hillary Clinton was First Lady ... (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 11:46:44 PM EST
    ... when NAFTA was approved by Congress in November 1993 and took effect on January 1, 1994. Whether or not she supported it at the time was irrelevant, since she wasn't in the U.S. Senate in 1993.

    I have to admit that I'm becoming quite annoyed at Bernie Sanders' increasingly shrill and strident tone. Tonight, he offered that Mrs. Clinton "wasn't qualified to be president." He and his campaign staff and supporters really need to dial back their personal attacks on the woman's character.

    Aloha.

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    Watch it. "Shrill" is a very (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 12:29:54 AM EST
    controversial adjective.

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    That's only when it's applied to women ... (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 12:50:16 AM EST
    ... within an obviously condescending context. Other than that, it's a perfectly good word -- and in this particular case, I'd say that its application is entirely appropriate.

    ;-D

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    Shoulda added ("snk.) to my (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 12:24:29 PM EST
    comment.  

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    Point taken. (none / 0) (#83)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 02:10:09 PM EST
    I believe that the background (none / 0) (#103)
    by christinep on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 09:01:13 PM EST
    involved a reporter (Nancy Cortes of CBS, maybe?) asking him in a quick stand-up Q&A about his response to the Sandy Hook victims in terms of his continued support for gun manufacturer immunity.  

    I happened to have just turned the TV on ... and, he responded with a brief reference as to the horrible tragedy that it was ... but then, as seems to be his habit, turned the subject matter immediately by asking the reporter what HRC would say to the victims of the Iraq War, etc.

     So: He finessed the question put to him quickly; then tried to take the offense--a technique that he seems to favor even when it may be a non sequitor--by employing the "Well, blah blah ... but, but what about this new theoretical about Hillary."  It was a clumsy finesse on Sanders' part.  Yet, he used it as a crutch to opine & whine that Hillary Clinton was saying bad things about him, and he gets to say she is "not qualified" to be President.  (On CBS tonight, Charlie Rose surprisingly pursued and pushed Sanders on the negative path and consequences of this latest path in the heated NY primary.  In response to Rose, he actually admitted that the attempted equivalence with Sandy Hook & Wall Street was playing "tit for tat."  IMO, he is doing the Trump strong-man impression for NY.)

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    Sanders campaign manager ... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 08:51:20 PM EST
    Jeff Weaver continues with the bizarre statements about the Democratic Convention:

    What this campaign is looking for, and what the senator is looking for, is going into the convention and coming out with the nomination.

    He also warned:

    Don't destroy the Democratic Party to satisfy the secretary's ambition to become President of the United States.

    Okeeey.

    Oh man. (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by sallywally on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 11:22:44 PM EST
    Accusing her of what he is actually doing. I hope people grasp this.

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    Standard manipulative technique (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by sallywally on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 11:47:39 PM EST
    I accuse you of doing what in fact I am doing: I am willing to harm the party due to my ambition to be President.

    Rachel now saying he has a plan to erase her lead in pledged delegates and then win over the superdelegates. If I were a superdelegate I would not give him my vote, simply because of his interview with the NY Daily News and these bizarre things he's saying. I wouldn't trust his temperament as POTUS.

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    Classic tecnique employed by none other (none / 0) (#104)
    by christinep on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 09:05:49 PM EST
    than Karl Rove.  The basic component: Hit the opponent in their strongest point ... and, play your weakest as your strongest attribute.  An example: The swift-boating of hero John Kerry.

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    You all must be on the east coast! Bernie has (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Cashmere on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 10:35:27 PM EST
    officially stated that Hillary is not "qualified" to be POTUS!

    Hillary's campaign has got to be laughing (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by lilburro on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 11:48:07 PM EST
    total unforced error by Bernie that has pretty much everyone up in arms on her behalf. Aside from being silly.

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    Sanders and his team ... (5.00 / 4) (#22)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 12:08:26 AM EST
    are really losing it. Becoming complete wackadoos.

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    I wish (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by sallywally on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 12:54:43 AM EST
    the debate were not occurring. Too potentially explosive, with Sanders losing it and lashing out and portraying her to his young supporters as the wicked witch of the west, riling them up.

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    Well, (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Nemi on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 06:19:06 AM EST
    that actually seems to have been the problem: She laughed! Oh, the humanity! At the preposterous claim from Jeff Weaver that she's a threat to the Democratic Party.

    They need to grow a pair. Or three, Sanders and his two closest henchmen. And I'm sure Hillary Clinton, with her far greater experience can teach them a thing or two in that regard. ;)

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    To be fair (none / 0) (#30)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 05:36:04 AM EST
    I believe he came out with that after this,

    Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton on Wednesday questioned whether her rival in the Democratic presidential primary, Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), is qualified to be president.

    "I think he hadn't done his homework and he'd been talking for more than a year about doing things that he obviously hadn't really studied or understood," Clinton said in an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," just one day after losing the Wisconsin primary to Sanders, "and that does raise a lot of questions."



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    There's a Uuuuge (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by Suisser1 on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 06:33:46 AM EST
    difference between saying someone hasn't done their homework and saying that someone is unfit for office due to their morally compromised character.

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    Yes (2.00 / 1) (#34)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 06:51:08 AM EST
    There is.
    She was "politically correct" , but everyone understood she meant The Bern was not qualified to be President.
    The Bern was  much more direct. And I believe he actually said what he feels, totally unfiltered.
    The Marquis of Queensberry rules usually do not help a underdog candidate running for President.

    And frankly, I don't think The Bern started this journey believing he could win, he just wanted to highlight issues he felt strongly about.

    After living , breathing this campaign for a year, The Bern has begun to believe he can win.

    And the gloves are off. And quite frankly, he most likely actually believes that her prior positions, and attachments to power and money do disqualify her for the office.

    I actually was thinking about heading to Washington Sq Park until I saw it was on a Wed. Would have definitely went if it was on a weekend.

    Beautiful part of the city, but it has changed much from when I spent time there, late 70's and 80's.

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    Everybody has their own metric... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 09:07:16 AM EST
    of qualifiers and disqualifiers. Clinton's cozy relationship with Wall St. is a disqualifier in my book...it disqualified Obama by my metric as well, and Schumer in the senate.    

    As is her limited vision of what is possible...like the minimum wage for example.  She was never down with $15, not "realistic", and here we are with $15 minimum wage laws catching on all over the place.  Maybe single payer and free public higher education are possible too...ya never know unless you have representation willing to shoot for the moon.

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    You do realize that Sanders is bragging (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Cashmere on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 12:17:02 PM EST
    about having campaigned for Schumer in the past (to help deomcrats).  Proof that he is a true dem from his perspective.  How does that make you feel about the Bern, considering you don't support Schumer?

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    My reply is for kdog from above (none / 0) (#64)
    by Cashmere on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 12:33:04 PM EST
    That makes me feel (none / 0) (#66)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 12:46:36 PM EST
    like saying shame on Bernie for campaigning for a Wall St. stooge like Schumer, just because he has a D after his name.

    I'm well aware Bernie is not without faults...I just differ from Dem Party people about what those faults are.  Warts and all, he's the only cat running under the D or R banner I could vote for.

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    Not to (none / 0) (#67)
    by FlJoe on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 12:48:09 PM EST
    mention that Schumer endorsed him for Senate in the first place, proving the even Bernie will "Dance with the Devil" if it helps him politically.

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    Yeah... (none / 0) (#68)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 12:56:58 PM EST
    I'm sure a Chuck Schumer endorsement really put him over the top in rural Vermont..lol.

    More likely, Schumer had a reason to find a camera and look good by endorsing a guy like Sanders, diverting attention from all the Wall St. fellating he does in the other 23 and a half hours in a day.  

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    You don't (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 01:22:02 PM EST
    think people in Vermont have investments in Wall Street? Even Bernie invests in Wall Street. Strange for someone who calls their business model a "fraud". Does that mean anybody who does business with them is participating in "fraud" including himself?

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    No... (none / 0) (#74)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 01:41:26 PM EST
    it just means they are being defrauded.  And enabling.

    Though I hear many still do ok in the Casino despite the inherent fraud in the business model and regulatory structure...but I still ain't playing, though I respect the right of others to do so. Have fun with Mortimer and Randolph.

    You'd think people with 401ks and stocks and mutual funds would want things on the up and up more than I do, but I guess most people are in the acceptance stage of the addiction program.

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    You don't (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 01:45:57 PM EST
    have a problem with Bernie enabling "fraud" then?

    Maybe the people investing are going by the rule don't put anymore in the stock market than you can afford to lose. People buy lottery tickets and your odds on losing there way exceed losing on Wall Street.

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    Schumer (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by FlJoe on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 01:26:23 PM EST
    Was head of the DSCC at the time, cleared the way for Bernie to run with no Democratic opposition and donated money to his campaign, why Sanders even took 10k from HillPac.

    Why must you defend your candidate by smearing other people

    More likely, Schumer had a reason to find a camera and look good by endorsing a guy like Sanders, diverting attention from all the Wall St. fellating he does in the other 23 and a half hours in a day.  
    ?

    That's a sure sign you have NO argument at all.

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    The Schumer smear... (none / 0) (#72)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 01:35:33 PM EST
    has nothing to do with Bernie...he's my Senator, so it's personal.  I've been ragging on his tired arse since before I knew who Bernie was.

    The two people most responsible for my negative opinion of the Democratic Party are Bill Clinton and Chuck Schumer.

    I was kinda hoping for a good primary challenge to Schumer when Sanders is president, as part of the political revolution in Congress;)

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    So you (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 01:38:05 PM EST
    liked the party better when we were losing presidential races by landslides? You liked "moral victories" better than real victories?

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    Show me the real victory... (none / 0) (#75)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 01:45:09 PM EST
    in economics or war/foreign policy...the culture war was ours in time anyway.

    If ya gotta support the death penalty and eviscerate the safety net and be "tough & dumb on crime" and bomb Iraq to win, then yes I'd rather lose...cuz all you're winning is the Republican Party of the 1960's.

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    Okay. (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 01:47:03 PM EST
    So in other words you'd rather have Republicans in office than "impure" Democrats. Gotcha.

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    No... (none / 0) (#80)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 01:54:47 PM EST
    IOW I'd rather lose the right way than win the wrong way.

    It's not "impurity", it's policies.  

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    Yes (none / 0) (#82)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 02:04:46 PM EST
    but preferring to lose means a Republican will be in office.

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    Yeah... (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 02:25:26 PM EST
    so does winning the "third way", you get a moderate republican with a D after their name instead of an R in office.  A distinction with not enough difference, imo.  

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    With all (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 03:50:54 PM EST
    due respect you'd be willing to have Ted Cruz as president because someone else might preserve women's rights but isn't holy and pure and all other issues. That's pretty much what I'm getting from what you're saying. Getting half of what you want isn't enough. It has to be everything.

    And the real solution is to actually do the hard work of changing people's minds on these issues not voting for a candidate. The candidates go where the voters are.

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    No, it is childish ... taking the marbles home (none / 0) (#105)
    by christinep on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 09:10:19 PM EST
    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by FlJoe on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 01:45:24 PM EST
    the only reason you despise the Democratic party is because of the icky Democrats. As I said you NO valid defense for Sanders accepting support and money from said icky Democrats.

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    I won't defend it... (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 01:51:55 PM EST
    because I don't agree with it.  I would have much preferred an independent run, but ya can't always get what ya want.

    Still the least dirty of the lot by a landslide not named Drumph...who is far dirtier beyond the issue of money corrupting politics.

    I loathe the Democratic Party because they've been playing us...thinking we have nowhere else to go so we will eat sh&t and like it.  Can't speak for you, but I don't respond well to threats like "Whaddya gonna do, vote for the Republicans?"  Which as far as I can tell has been the unwritten Democratic Party Platform since "The Third Way" took hold.

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    The Whole Line is BS... (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 02:21:18 PM EST
    ... like a politician can't go after Toyota or Volkswagen over airbag/fuel safety because they drive a Lexus or an Audi.

    And if you want to enjoy pre-tax investing, you are limited, normally a work funded 401k if you are not self-employed.  

    Bernie can have investments & want to make sure those investments are safe without being part of the fraud or enabling it.  That is just plain silly and the implication that he wants to do away with wall street or investing, is simply HRC fanboys/glas going off the rails, again.

    I would expect nothing resembling a normal discussion about Bernie Sanders policy's here, that ship sailed in Iowa.

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    I swear... (none / 0) (#87)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 02:27:55 PM EST
    some commenters became different people since Iowa. What was once grimey is now clean, what once was admirable is now grimey.  

    Election season is a helluva drug Charlie Murphy.

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    Waiting for revolution or Godot (none / 0) (#106)
    by christinep on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 09:13:17 PM EST
    Makes me want to ask if you are smoking a stronger product?

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 09:11:15 AM EST
    but Kdog you also see what happens when people promise unrealistic stuff like Bernie has been. Huge disillusionment sets in.

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    Maybe with others... (none / 0) (#52)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 09:33:21 AM EST
    I can't be anymore disillusioned than I already am...I don't expect total successful implementation of Bernie's platform, I'm content with an honest attempt and keeping the country moving left after a 30 year rightward swing.

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    So (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by FlJoe on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 10:23:13 AM EST
    you admit the this country is moving in the right direction
    I'm content with an honest attempt and keeping the country moving left after a 30 year rightward swing.
    Yet you do not sound content and give zero credit to Obama and the Democrats.

    Keeping the country moving in that direction is exactly what Hillary's platform is. You seem to be willing to throw that away in favor of Bernie's grand but unworkable plans.

    Down two runs in the bottom of the 9th with a man on 2nd and 3rd, two outs and you are swinging for the fences, that kind of thinking would get you benched, even if you played for the Mets.

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    Are you kidding Joe? (none / 0) (#54)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 10:35:33 AM EST
    the people dragged Obama & Clinton kicking and screaming to the left on gay marriage, criminal justice, drug policy...and we're still trying to drag them on economic policy and foreign policy, but Wall St. & Corporate America are still well in the lead in that tug of war I'm afraid.

    Just once it would be nice to have a president lead us left, instead of following us left.  

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    Drug Policy... (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 11:19:19 AM EST
    ... which one is that, they only bust some dispensaries ?  There is no policy other than maybe we will abide by state voters, sometimes, but we sure as hell won't make it official nor will be allow these people to operate like any other business.  No tax deductions and no bank accounts.  Marijuana will remain classified as a very dangerous drug with no redeeming medical value.

    When your party's policy on drugs is worse than GWB's you probably aren't making progress, and I am pretty sure HRC is in the 'two steps back' part of that dance.

    WS isn't funding HRC SuperPACS because they think she is going to lay the hammer down.

    The only reason the D party is gaining traction is people pushing our the 'leaders' in the right direction, society is changing and they either keep up of fade away.  Left up to the party elite, you wouldn't be able to tell a R for a D politician on 80% of the issues.  I give the credit to the people.

    They tried dragging Obama on trade(TPA), he refused and HRC only gave in when it was obvious not giving in would be a problem, politically.  But don't hold your breathe on HRC not using it to fast track trade deals.

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    No kidding (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by FlJoe on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 11:47:10 AM EST
    that's exactly how a democracy is supposed to work, with the leaders bending to the will of the people. You, yourself admit to a 30 year swing to the right, all during that time Americans were mostly voting for right wing Republicans and center right Democrats, that's just plain historical fact. For all intents and purposes the electorate in this country was center right for decades so you could just as easily said that most Democrats were pulled kicking and screaming in that direction.
    Just  because Bernie had the luxury of being a pol from a tiny, very liberal state  that enabled him to be on the left side of most, but not all issues (guns, MIC and criminal justice for instance) does not make him a leader.

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    Agree, (none / 0) (#57)
    by KeysDan on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 11:24:58 AM EST
    that the federal minimum wage, now at $7.25 should be increased to $15 now.  If the federal minimum wage kept pace with inflation it would probably be at about $26 per hours.

     However, I believe, in fairness, both Senator Sanders and Mrs. Clinton's proposals to raise the federal minimum wage should include an asterisk. Senator Sanders' proposal should include $15-- by 2020; Mrs. Clinton's proposal should say--- $12 by 2020 and other communities should go even further than the federal minimum wage.

     The later encouragement is what is occurring, with varying schedules, in NY and CA. NY state's minimum wage was at $9/hr. prior to the increases.  

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    Plus, the Obama administration's DEA (none / 0) (#61)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 12:22:29 PM EST
    may soon remove marijuana from Schedule I.

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    Yes, and then we (none / 0) (#63)
    by KeysDan on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 12:32:04 PM EST
    have the Republican candidates who would either lower the federal minimum wage or eliminate it all together.  

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    It is confusing to me (none / 0) (#65)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 12:46:16 PM EST
    from whence federal/state/local governmental entities derive the authority to mandate a minimum wage except as to the entitiy's own employees.

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    This state (none / 0) (#69)
    by KeysDan on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 01:16:36 PM EST
    listing by the US Dept of Labor, that includes the legislative situations was of help to me. Also, as to the localities, it gets easier to understand in North Carolina what with their anti-gay/bathroom bill that had a minimum wage wrinkle thrown in for good measure (prevents local municipalities from enacting a minimum wage above the state's, which is zero, defaulting to the federal minimum wage.)

    And, it was good to learn that Alabama Governor Bentley was not totally distracted by his texting with that woman.  He did sign a bill to keep cities from raising the minimum wage above the state's which is zero.

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    FL Legislature recently (none / 0) (#81)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 01:57:59 PM EST
    failed to enact a bill making fracking permission a matter of state-wide concern so that local entities could not deny permits.

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    If that is "confusing" to you, Oculus (none / 0) (#100)
    by Peter G on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 07:54:10 PM EST
    you need to study some elementary American political theory and/or constitutional law.

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    Commerce clause? (none / 0) (#107)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 11:21:28 PM EST
    Yes. United States v. Darby Lumber. 1941. (none / 0) (#108)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 11:28:48 PM EST
    SCOTUS upholds FLSA.

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    Some current Governors are advocating (none / 0) (#109)
    by oculus on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 11:51:41 PM EST
    state laws precluding local entities from enacting minimum wage ordinances.

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    The federal government under the US Constitution (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by Peter G on Fri Apr 08, 2016 at 08:41:39 AM EST
    has only specified and limited powers, while the state governments are the repository of general powers. That's what the Tenth Amendment says.  The Interstate Commerce Clause power, however, since the 1940s at least, has been very broadly construed to allow federal legislation regulating any form or aspect of commerce that affects multiple states' interests. The individual states, by the same token, have plenary (unlimited power) subject only to whatever limitations are imposed by the particular state's own constitution. One of those limitations may be on what can be regulated locally and what must be state-wide. But there is no question that a state can impose at least a state-wide minimum wage, unless its own constitution were to ban legislation for the economic welfare of the people (a limitation which would be inconceivable to me).

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    Speak for yourself, Trevor. (none / 0) (#97)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 05:48:47 PM EST
    TrevorBolder: "She was 'politically correct', but everyone understood she meant The Bern was not qualified to be President."

    You can't possibly know what "everyone understood" about Mrs. Clinton's remarks, so please don't further presume to speak on behalf of "everyone."

    Aloha.

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    I presume she meant what she said (5.00 / 3) (#98)
    by CoralGables on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 06:43:04 PM EST
    that Sanders hadn't done his homework on the topic. And with regard to the question that was asked, she was correct.

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    I think (5.00 / 3) (#101)
    by FlJoe on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 08:04:03 PM EST
    she hit it dead center on the slightly raised eyebrows to outright mockery scale. There were plenty of pundits and such  who seemed gobsmacked by Bernie's NYDY performance, even some of his supporters were scratching their heads.

    I bet you dollars to donuts that Bernie's handlers would agree with Hillary on this one, even as they are cynically trying to turn it on her.

    Her homework metaphor seemed perfect, he seemed very unprepared for a question that should be in his wheelhouse. Sure it's a little condescending, hey it's politics, but I heard the phrase "do your homework" ad-infinitum in my youth, always from someone who was quite sure of my "qualifications" to handle it.

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    Pardon (none / 0) (#99)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 07:46:54 PM EST
    My mistake,

    Everyone, excluding supporters of Madame Sec.

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    Hmm (none / 0) (#102)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 08:14:04 PM EST
    mind reading of only Hillary Clinton and her supporters is a new skill you claiming.

    Everybody knows is favorite catchphrase of Republicans. Like "everybody knows that there were WMDs in Iraq"

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    In other words (none / 0) (#110)
    by Nemi on Fri Apr 08, 2016 at 05:46:18 AM EST
    everyone who is against 'Madame Sec.'

    That figures. :)

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    That's not fair (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by mm on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 06:54:03 AM EST
    That's not even close to being fair.

    Sanders need to take responsibility for his own disastrous performance with the NYDN.  Isn't that what republicans preach - personal responsibility.  It doesn't seem like Bernie likes to answer for his own debacle.

    But apparently he has a very thin skin.

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    I completely agree - Sanders has very thin skin. (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by Cashmere on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 07:14:50 AM EST
    Sanders and his team have been attacking Hillary's character for month's now, and the minute she gets tough on him re: the issues that he has made central to his campaign, he loses it.  It is now damaging for the general.  I even heard on CNN yesterday that Jane Sanders, his wife, stated that she doubts Bernie's supporters will back Hillary in the general.  Bernie has even hedged about whether he will support Hillary in the end.  This is getting very bad.

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    At Shakesville (none / 0) (#95)
    by Nemi on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 04:50:24 PM EST
    Melissa McEwan has had a couple of posts up regarding Jane Sanders, who seems to share her husband's disdain ... and then some, for Hillary Clinton.

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    Fair? (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by Nemi on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 07:07:40 AM EST
    More like a schoolyard bully acting out because the mean - and super smart! - girl exposed (actually he did that himself in the NYDN interview) and laughed at him.

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    I had a bad feeling (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by mm on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 07:39:25 AM EST
    When I heard she would be doing Morning Joe.

    Scarborough knew exactly what he was doing, continually asking her if she thought Sanders was qualified.  She didn't take the bait, but apparently that doesn't matter, any criticism of Sanders was close enough for government work.

    Scarborough is an a very devious experienced politician and knew that was a line she couldn't cross.  She didn't but apparently it doesn't matter.

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    He's apparently defending her this morning (none / 0) (#42)
    by jbindc on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 07:46:23 AM EST
    Doesn't really matter (none / 0) (#45)
    by Nemi on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 08:23:45 AM EST
    I'm afraid (if that is even what he's doing, which I doubt) because: BIAS: Flailing Bernie Slams Hillary and National Media Go After HER!

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    So if Trump (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 04:08:25 PM EST
    and Cruz were to join forces they would have enough to rule the world in GOP land.

    As far as NY goes, I understand that Trump is polling over 50% there so he'll probably get all the delegates if that holds up.

    Kasich still trails Marco Rubio (none / 0) (#3)
    by CoralGables on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 05:50:09 PM EST
    and Rubio dropped out 22 days ago.

    on Trump ... (none / 0) (#12)
    by linea on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 08:51:49 PM EST
    I feel it's possible for Donald Trump's campaign to implode between now and California. His bombast was condidered amusing? refreshing? but now I feel more people are just getting irritated that he can't be bothered to behave like an adult, can't be bothered to remember the policy positions his advisers put together for him, and can't be bothered to study any issues. Ann Coulter (a conservative pundit) in refering to the recent abortion misspeak and the retweet photo, wrote something to the effect of, "It's like having a teanage son that you are always bailing out of jail."

    on Bernie ... (none / 0) (#14)
    by linea on Wed Apr 06, 2016 at 09:02:52 PM EST
    Just saw these stats for Wisconson: Bernie lead Hillary with 73% to 26% amoung the under 45 and led 50% to 49% among women. However, Hillary led substantually with the African American vote.

    Have any of the NY papers asked Bernie (none / 0) (#89)
    by ruffian on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 02:35:28 PM EST
    why he left New York?

    NPR has... (none / 0) (#94)
    by kdog on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 03:57:27 PM EST
    here ya go...it all started with a Vermont Tourism storefront near Radio City.

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    thanks kdog! (none / 0) (#125)
    by ruffian on Fri Apr 08, 2016 at 04:22:35 PM EST
    Great story, I can totally see doing that. Good for him.

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    My mom is one of a kind! (none / 0) (#92)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 03:52:16 PM EST
    She's in her eighties. Still a Marxist. And a big Bernie supporter.

    I was talking to her on the phone today, and she said, "You know I just realized Bernie Sanders is Jewish."

    I had to laugh. Because Bernie sounds exactly like her uncle (my great uncle). Jewish. Lived his whole life in Brooklyn. Same accent. Same big flappy hands.  I told her this.  She said:

    Really?

    She just really doesn't see these differences in people. Now, admittedly, she's spent most of adult life in the Pacific Northwest where people don't make such a big deal of these differences.  But still ...

    One of a kind.

    ^I put this in the wrong thread. (none / 0) (#93)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Apr 07, 2016 at 03:56:52 PM EST
    Feel free to delete. Because I'm going to copy it to the open thread.

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    this is off topic, take it to (none / 0) (#132)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Apr 09, 2016 at 04:08:14 PM EST
    an open thread