Republicans: Ryan, Kasich and Cruz

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2016
Posted on Tue Apr 12, 2016 at 08:09:54 PM EST
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Paul Ryan claims he won't accept the Republican nomination. Who believes him? NPR tries to make a case for John Kasich.

538 says Ted Cruz has the most endorsements among Republicans in Congress.

Andrew Romano, writing for Yahoo News, lays out Cruz' strategy for California and has some thoughts on the "GOP's Veep problem." During the 2008 election cycle, Andrew wrote for Newsweek. We sat next to each other at a a Romney house party in Iowa and I followed his reporting after that. He's a good reporter.[More...]

Meanwhile, speaking of Newsweek, it reports John Kasich has ruled out being a VP candidate for Trump.

“I am running for president of the United States, and that’s it. If I’m not president, which I think I have an excellent shot to be, I will finish my term as governor and then maybe I’ll be a co-host on your show,” he told CBS This Morning on Tuesday.

That last comment isn't as odd as it might appear. Kasich used to host a show called Heartland on Fox News. It aired on Saturday night, from 2001 to 2007. He was filled in for O'Reilly fairly frequently. (I was a guest commentator on both and it was always enjoyable because he didn't scream and interrupt his guests or argue with them.)

Was there any Trump news today? Not only didn't he get a lot of coverage, but the media now seems to be mocking him, making him out to be a sore loser. (He called Republicans in Colorado "dirty tricksters."

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Ryan will run (5.00 / 2) (#1)
by CST on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 09:53:47 AM EST

In 2020. He doesn't want to come near this hot mess of a year. He's a better politician than all of them, and the GOP is f*cked this year. He's speaker of the house, he was already on the big ticket once, he's young, he's a party "unifier" but it's too late in the primary to pull that now - the Trump/Cruz fans would hate him. There is no reason for him to get close to this fiasco in the making when he has all the time in the world.

Kasich is staying in for the protest vote.

I agree except for Kasich (none / 0) (#2)
by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 05:10:58 PM EST

I think he's staying in just in case the whole thing blows up and he can be the one guy still running when they realize they hate the other two.


Who needs republicans (none / 0) (#3)
by Mr Natural on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 07:54:30 PM EST

when we have Democrats like Diane Feinstein?


: This is exactly what I said would happen (none / 0) (#4)
by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 08:02:04 PM EST

At the beginning of this whole thing. As you may remember. I'm not sure if Apple could have stopped it by being more cooperative but I think it's possible.
I do think the way they handled it made it a virtual certainly. Which btw could have been the goal. After all, this relieves them of any corporate responsibility for making the information available to LE. They are no longer in the position of saying we can protect your information. But we TRIED to protect your information and the mean ole government passed a law.

Just my two cents (none / 0) (#5)
by ragebot on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 08:39:36 PM EST

But I think Trump gets it on the first ballot. Trump and Cruz are way ahead in delegates which means they will control which rules are used in the convention. Can't see either one wanting to change Rule 40, the one about having to win 8 states to be considered. If that is the case it seems like there will only be two peeps on the ballot so one or the other has to win and Trump has a big lead.

Not my original idea, I saw a talking head on TV who is a big shot Republican lawyer blabbing about it.

The guy getting the headlines today (none / 0) (#6)
by CaptHowdy on Wed Apr 13, 2016 at 08:54:29 PM EST

By saying if he got to 1100, which seems pretty likely, he would get it because it would be pretty easy to get the other 137 from all the uncommitteds floating around made a pretty good case for this.

I still think it will come down to deciding to commit suicide or not. Because if Donald comes 137 short and is shut out he will destroy the party. And I don't think just for this election. He will blow it up and roast the establishment in its smoking ashes.

They may indeed decide that's better than a Trump candidacy but I need to see it to believe it.


: Is the destruction on (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by ragebot on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 09:20:20 AM EST

Donald or on the folks who voted for him? Not to dis the Donald but a lot of what he says and does is simply a reflection of his supporters. Not saying many of his supporters are not reading things into what he says. But it is obvious a lot of voters (on both sides, look at some Bernie supporters) feel they voted for someone based on promises that were not kept.
The Republicans took both houses of congress after Obamacare was passed based in great part on the idea that Obamacare would be repealed. Same goes for things like building a wall and deporting illegals getting many pols elected. On the other side voters thought bankers who at least violated the spirit (if not the letter) of the law got off Scott free and Obamacare has never really fulfilled its promise (networks are small and high deductibles).
Lots of unhappy voters out there on both sides, and voting for Donald/Bernie is just a way of expressing unhappiness. If those two did not exist we would have to invent them.

: ... destroy the party ... in its ashes. (none / 0) (#11)
by Mr Natural on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 06:16:41 PM EST

So, what's the downside?

The (none / 0) (#12)
by FlJoe on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 06:34:17 PM EST

Rules are hazy(and definitely not written but some delegates may or must abstain on the first ballot if their candidate is not on the ballot. Given the unpopularity of the two leading candidates it's almost a certainty of a least two ballots.


: Unless (none / 0) (#13)
by ragebot on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 08:54:28 PM EST

the candidate releases his delegates in return for a deal of some type. Suppose Cruz released his candidates in return for a promise by Trump for a SC nomination as one example. Or Rubio released his delegates in return for a promise of access for his expected new job lobbying.
Unless your name is Trump your pledged delegates are worth most on the first ballot. By the time the third ballot is reached my understanding is that all the delegates can vote however they want.
Not to mention Trump and Cruz will be in the drivers seat setting the rules in the days just before the convention. Hard to see them not trying to eliminate any names but theirs being voted on via the 40b rule.

Is there a change of heart by (none / 0) (#8)
by ragebot on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 11:06:15 AM EST

Rove. Some reports are he is now entertaining the possibility of a Trump nomination.

: Mostly (none / 0) (#10)
by Ga6thDem on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 02:47:47 PM EST

I have seen that some Republicans are seeing a Trump nomination as a way to regain control of the party. Trump goes down and they say look we did it the way you wanted and look how it ended. Perhaps Rove has now bought into that line of thinking.
It seems most of the GOP has given up on the presidential election anyway.

: Rove is on (none / 0) (#14)
by ragebot on Fri Apr 15, 2016 at 08:51:56 AM EST

Fox saying the reporter at Politico who did the story is lazy and does not do the hard work of reporting. Rove says read his opinion piece in yesterday's WSJ where he bashes Trump. Carl is so cute when he is mad.

When the going gets weird (none / 0) (#9)
by ragebot on Thu Apr 14, 2016 at 02:45:09 PM EST

the weird get going.

Not sure how or where this Ohio law would apply but it sure could make things messy.