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    If you read one article today, ... (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 02:00:37 PM EST
    ... let it be this one, about the amazing socio-political evolution and inspiring transformation of Derek Black, son of two of the most prominent white supremacists in the country, who was himself once envisioned as both the new face of white nationalism and a young star in GOP circles:

    Washington Post | October 15, 2016
    The white flight of Derek Black - "He never used racial slurs. He didn't advocate violence or lawbreaking. He had won a Republican committee seat in Palm Beach County, Fla., where Trump also had a home, without ever mentioning white nationalism, talking instead about the ravages of political correctness, affirmative action and unchecked Hispanic immigration.

    "He was not only a leader of racial politics but also a product of them. His father, Don Black, had created Stormfront, the Internet's first and largest white nationalist site, with 300,000 users and counting. His mother, Chloe, had once been married to David Duke, one of the country's most infamous racial zealots, and Duke had become Derek's godfather. They had raised Derek at the forefront of the movement, and some white nationalists had begun calling him 'the heir.'

    [...]

    "Eight years later, that future they envisioned in Memphis was finally being realized in the presidential election of 2016. Donald Trump was retweeting white supremacists. Hillary Clinton was making speeches about the rise of white hate and quoting David Duke, who had launched his own campaign for the U.S. Senate.

    "White nationalism had bullied its way toward the very center of American politics, and yet, one of the people who knew the ideology best was no longer anywhere near that center. Derek had just turned 27, and instead of leading the movement, he was trying to untangle himself not only from the national moment but also from a life he no longer understood."

    While some people may actively embrace and espouse personal points of view which are indeed deplorable, the story of Derek Black's gradual intellectual enlightenment and emotional growth, which eventually compelled him to embark on an often very painful personal journey to escape the suffocating darkness of his family's own narrow-minded and intolerant world, shows us that nobody is truly irredeemable.

    Have a blessed day. Aloha.

    Another typical day on the campaign trail (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Peter G on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 06:53:34 PM EST
    Tr*mp claims (all without a shred of evidence, and almost undoubtedly falsely in each instance): (a) the election is being "rigged" at many polling places; (b) FBI director Comey lied (and thus committed perjury at the congressional hearing) when he said that no one familiar with the results of the HRC email investigation recommended prosecution; and (c) HRC is responsibile for last night's firebombing of a Republican campaign office in North Carolina.

    NC Dems opened a GoFundMe campaign ... (none / 0) (#6)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 03:59:06 AM EST
    ... and raised $13,117 in less than five hours to assist the Republicans in reopening their office. Whoever was behind that firebombing last night ought to be ashamed of themselves. Somebody could've been hurt or worse.

    How much did Trump donate?

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    I wouldn't wholly discount (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 04:57:20 AM EST
    the possibility of a little Roveian Reichstag fire down there in the NC battleground..

    Because the story about the Hillary-Flava Flav love child just never got any traction..

    After all, when it comes to a sense of honor, the track record of the garden slug-like Roger Stone and his ilk is that they make Rove look like the Marquess of Queensbury..

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    First thing I thought (none / 0) (#15)
    by pitachips on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 11:56:56 AM EST
    Nothing is beneath the modern GOP.

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    There are cleaner explanations (none / 0) (#69)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 01:08:31 PM EST
    arson as an attempt to cover up embezzlement is one possibility.  

    spontaneous combustion of conservative bull$hit is another possibilit.

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    Or insurance fraud (most common explanation (none / 0) (#70)
    by Peter G on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 01:17:57 PM EST
    of arson), or almost anything. But also could be a lone wolf/psycho with political rage against the GOP or its candidate. The least likely explanation is a deliberate attack by the opposing party or its candidate.

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    Given the video that has been released (none / 0) (#94)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 09:16:56 PM EST
    showing Democratic operatives plotting on how to disrupt Trump rallies, violence, etc.......

    It is highly possible that this is attached to the campaign..

    The tail follows the cat home.

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    Wow, you figured it out, Jim. (none / 0) (#103)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 10:25:07 PM EST
    Our nefarious plan was to send one guy in to infiltrate a Trump gathering, and then sit back and watch all hell break lose. Truly, we should be ashamed of ourselves. You guys are simply too smart for us.

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    Donald you can (none / 0) (#110)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 08:05:09 AM EST
    run but you can't hide.

    The videos won't go away.

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    Who's hiding? (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 12:54:10 PM EST
    James O'Keefe's videos are irrelevant. He's been repeatedly shown up as a manipulative and truth-challenged little creep, and that's why he's now routinely ignored by all but the whitest of white-wing media.

    His apparent bagging of a couple of Democratic operatives yesterday is no more memorable and decisive, than was the bloody repulse by German troops of U.S. Army 30th Division's initial assault on the old Saxon city of Magdeburg in late March 1945. At this point, the issue has been decided and the outcome is no longer in doubt.

    But, hey, keep grasping at those perceived lifelines.

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    Didn't that little worm (none / 0) (#126)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 12:59:39 PM EST
    get busted trying to plant bugs on someone's phone, like he was one of Putin's henchmen?

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    In the White House?
    The husband of Jan Schakowsky, the Congressional Representative for Illinois's 9th congressional district.

    Oh, he is knee deep in Democrat politics.

    Truth about voter fraud is seeping through

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    "The truth" - heh (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 07:41:50 AM EST
    No.  Accusations and video tape that was heavily edited and pushed by a source with absolutely zero credibility is anything but "the truth".

    But keep swinging.  Maybe one day you guys might actually come up with something based in reality.

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    Details please (5.00 / 2) (#153)
    by Repack Rider on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 03:32:00 PM EST
    Truth about voter fraud is seeping through

    First, the source is a person with a long history of lying and using deceptively edited video to lie.  He lost defamation lawsuits to Shirley Sherrod and the ACORN employee whom he smeared.  You are not seriously suggesting that James O'Keefe is a legitimate source, are you?

    Second, please tell me how one commits "voter fraud."  How do you round up these thousands of fake voters?  With an ad on Craigslist?  Then after they all vote fraudulently, how do you keep thousands of co-conspirators from blowing the cover?  Follow the money: who is paying for this, and by what means?

    The most common form of voter fraud is the prevention of a voter from casting a vote, but that has to be done by the state.  As we have seen, states run by REPUBLICANS put all sorts of hurdles in front of the voter.  These hurdles are easy for white-collar, employed people to clear, much harder for older, legal immigrant, or poor citizens to clear, even though they have the same right to vote.

    Not everyone has a driver's license, and the states that require such forms of ID often make them hard to get.  There is often a division between "acceptable" and unacceptable ID that favors conservatives.  A CCW permit is acceptable ID in Texas, but a student ID is not; which group is more likely to vote for a liberal?  

    In Pennsylvania you need a birth certificate to get a government-issued photo ID, but you need a photo ID to get a birth certificate!

    Some state voter IDs are issued only at inconvenient places and during inconvenient hours.  Why is that?

    "Voter ID" "prevents" a form of fraud that never happens, while protecting the state's power to deny legitimate voters the opportunity.

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    Who cares, Trevor, except for you? (none / 0) (#138)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 09:46:46 PM EST
    November 8 is almost upon us. Tonight's debate was effectively the knockout punch. The results are likely to not go well for you.

    Deal with it.

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    The husband of (none / 0) (#144)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 05:33:16 AM EST
    A Democratic legislator, running a advocacy group, has 300 meetings in the White House, publicly discusses ways to committ voter fraud,

    Oh no, I beg to differ

    Only you, and other Democrats would discount it.

    Now, if that was Paul Ryans wife on the video,

    OMG, the outrage and would be palpable!!

    So yes Donald, everyone who respects the US election process should care!!!

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    O'Keefe's dishonest (none / 0) (#171)
    by jondee on Sat Oct 22, 2016 at 12:21:04 PM EST
    dirty-trickster modus operandi would be to initiate a discussion of voter fraud and then edit out his contribution to the discussion..

    He's a little egg-sucking weasel who's already been busted too many times doing that exact kind of thing.
     

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    The issue isn't what James O'Keefe (none / 0) (#149)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 02:14:08 PM EST
    is....

    The issue is what the videos show being said.

    The "Democratic Operative" you dismiss is the husband of a Demo Representative and has visited the White House some 40 plus times.

    And it is instructive that you use the death of US military as some supposed analogy...

    More accurate would be the broken nose of a Gay Trump supporter and the pinning of a female supporter against the wall where she could escape.

    Then again anger and physical attacks have long been in their playbook.

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    According to a list of donations made by Trump's self-serving foundation (per the Washington Post), on May 13, 2015, Der Trumpenfuhrer gave $10,000 to O'Keefe's Project Veritas, aka the "Save the Weasels Fund." Now THAT is an abuse of federal non-profit status and law.

    (Pop goes the weasel.)

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    What ever it is (none / 0) (#164)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 21, 2016 at 10:44:54 AM EST
    You can not deny what is being said.

    Just like none of you guys can deny what is in the Wikileaks stuff....You can just claim the Russians did it....

    Which may or not be true.

    But the point is what's being said.

    Not who told you.

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    O'Keeffe is definately (none / 0) (#165)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 21, 2016 at 11:06:00 AM EST
    your kind of guy, Jim.

    What's not to admire about an oldtime weasely Nixonian dirty trickster willing to drag his own dignity and reputation through the gutter in the service of the conservative cause?

    Previously, O'Keefe's been convicted of a felony, was forced to pay out a six figure settlement, and was busted attempting to encourage BLM members to commit acts of violence, but you not-so-Breitbarters think having him on your team somehow helps your cause..

    Just as you think lining up behind Trump helps your cause.

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    O'Keefe may be all you say (none / 0) (#169)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 22, 2016 at 10:38:15 AM EST
    But what was said by the Democratic Operative who has been to the WH 40 plus times is what he said.

    He is trying to disrupt.

    That's illegal.

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    I don't know why anyone would (none / 0) (#170)
    by jondee on Sat Oct 22, 2016 at 12:02:18 PM EST
    bother taking the trouble to disrupt Trump when he outdoes advanced yoga masters by shooting himself in both feet while sticking his foot in his mouth..

    Meanwhile, the unmistakable odor of burnt toast keeps wafting through the air from Trump campaign headquarters..

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    Oh course strict voter ID laws (none / 0) (#172)
    by jondee on Sat Oct 22, 2016 at 01:04:55 PM EST
    and things like ex-felon disenfranchisement aren't meant to "disrupt" anything. Of course not.

    Neither was O'Keefe trying to be disruptive when he posed as a militant Hillary supporter at a Sanders rally, or when he pretended to support cop-killing at a BLM meeting.

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    Did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night? (none / 0) (#175)
    by Yman on Sat Oct 22, 2016 at 01:33:38 PM EST
    He is trying to disrupt.

    That's illegal.

    Actually, it's not.  You really should leave the conclusions of law to those who know what they're talking about.  Reading these kind of laughable statements is almost painful.

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    Just stop and consider the supreme irony ... (none / 0) (#167)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 21, 2016 at 11:41:15 AM EST
    ... of this moment, Jim, when an unreformed Cold Warrior and anti-Communist such as yourself is now acknowledging your faith in a Russian intelligence operation that was launched against your own country, merely because you desperately want to believe that its resultant revelations can damage your political opposition.

    Because I can assure you that it's certainly not lost on me or a good number of people here.

    Have a nice day -- Comrade.

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    Provide some proof (none / 0) (#168)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 22, 2016 at 10:35:11 AM EST
    Donald that this is Russian.

    You can't.

    What you are trying to do is deflect the comments.

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    Of course he can't (none / 0) (#173)
    by Yman on Sat Oct 22, 2016 at 01:20:29 PM EST
    The 17 intelligence Agencies have the evidence and those agencies have confirmed this.  They don't reveal their evidence because it would compromise their sources and methods - as you already know.

    Which is why you suddenly have an appreciation for "proof" that extends beyond what some wingnut typed on their blog.

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    The physical attacks ... (none / 0) (#155)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 08:17:35 PM EST
    ... and anger are being directly encouraged and incited by your candidate - but feel free to bring a change of underwear if the same, old video of a union member pushing a phone away from him scares you.

    BTW - -We have no  idea what the video says, because O'Keefe is a joke who's previously been caught editing videos to  push false claims.

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    The Right's verbal diarrhea can run (none / 0) (#117)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 11:23:16 AM EST
    but after November, they're going to want to hide.

    Out of embarrassment.

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    Peter G, will you clarify (none / 0) (#26)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 03:04:19 PM EST
    your point (b)?

    are you calling somewhat less attention to the claim itself than to Trump's having made it "without a shred of evidence"?

    is there anything -- apart from the lack of evidence -- that prompted you to describe this claim as having been made "almost undoubtedly falsely" rather than "undoubtedly falsely"?

    thank you

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    Because unlike some people (none / 0) (#28)
    by Peter G on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 03:16:29 PM EST
    I try not to make flat out statements of fact that I don't actually know to be true and have no way of adequately researching. Since it is theoretically possible that Tr*mp's statements about widespread voting fraud are true, even though I strongly believe them to be false, and I don't have actual knowledge of their falsity, I will not assert that they are false.

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    Oh, sorry, you pointed specifically to my (none / 0) (#29)
    by Peter G on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 03:19:19 PM EST
    part (b) - Tr*mp's assertion over the weekend that many of Comey's underlings wanted to see HRC prosecuted, even though Comey himself swore otherwise. Same reasoning.

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    looking over the transcript (none / 0) (#30)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 03:29:01 PM EST
    of Comey's July 7 testimony, i seem to have missed Comey's sworn statement that (quoting you here) "no one familiar with the results of the HRC email investigation recommended prosecution," so that's why my question to you arose

    maybe i glanced at the wrong transcript, or read too quickly

    thanks again

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    No thanks (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Peter G on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 03:55:42 PM EST
    I'm done playing

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    wait - not playing (none / 0) (#35)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 04:12:12 PM EST
    sorry this got so convoluted

    i was seeing no reason NOT to believe Comey on point (b), & i asked whether you were seeing some possibility to the contrary

    you then answered my question, & i tried to acknowledge your answer while giving the context for my original question

    again, thanks

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    Actual FBI (none / 0) (#87)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 07:05:01 PM EST
    Agents have been talking

    And were not happy with the way Comey ran the investigation

    A grand jury should have been installed, and there would have been no need to grant immunity for evidence. grand jury subpoenas would have been issued

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    wow (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 07:10:55 PM EST
    The retired FBI guy who works for a conservative group is claiming other retired FBI Agents are unhappy?

    Pfffftttttttt ....

    Actual FBI Agents gathered the evidence.  Actual FBI agents and prosecutors who investigated this case unanimously recommended that no charges should be filed.  The actual Republican FBI director concluded no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges.  The fact that some wingnuts are losing their minds about that is just a bonus.

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    What Comey said (none / 0) (#51)
    by Yman on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 10:27:12 PM EST
    ... was that it was a unanimous decision among the members of the investigative team to not prosecute.

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    thank you (none / 0) (#53)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 10:52:10 PM EST
    when even a commenter as thoughtful, generous, & courteous as Peter G is disposed to read the worst into a polite & sincere question, i wonder if this campaign is finally getting to everyone

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    Can't blame him (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 08:21:25 AM EST
    Comey's statement re: the unanimous decision was well publicized and easily found with a 10 second Google search.  Not sure how someone looking at the actual transcript of his testimony could have missed it.

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    Yman's 5 stages if TL commenting (3.00 / 2) (#66)
    by The Addams Family on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 12:17:31 PM EST
    1. anger
    2. rudeness
    3. insult
    4. insult
    5. insult

    so much rage

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    Frustrating, huh? (none / 0) (#71)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 01:20:16 PM EST
    Always getting caught making BS claims, so you project while trying to deflect.

    Always good for a chuckle ...

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    Yman (and Addams), please (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by Peter G on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 01:39:35 PM EST
    just stop. No one wants to waste time on this personal nonsense. Just stop.

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    Josh Barro (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 07:49:40 PM EST
    talk about why he left the GOP

    His biggest problem is not Trump. The environment the GOP created was always going to produce a Trump. His biggest beef is with the craven politician like Cruz, Rubio and Ryan who value their own hides over the destruction of the country. They could have stopped Trump but refused.

    Hey Donald (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 09:56:08 PM EST
    High Reward

    Yes, Roberts' gambit worked.. (none / 0) (#5)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 03:50:35 AM EST
    Clayton Kershaw pitched a masterful game tonight. Now we'll see what happens in L.A., where the Cubs lost two of three in late August. But while my heart's painted Dodger Blue, were I a betting man, my money would still be on the Cubs. After 108 years, the law of averages says they're due, as does their 103-58 regular season record. But the Dodgers served them notice tonight that they're going to have to earn it.

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    Sicne I have not really follwed (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 12:32:37 PM EST
    baseball outside the Cubs in the last few years, going into the Sunday game I had a 'How good could this guy really be?' attitude about Kershaw. Wow, did I ever find out. He really did have the Cubs dazed and confused.

    Let's see how the Dodgers handle Arietta tonight!

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    The one big knock on Kershaw prior to ... (none / 0) (#77)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 03:06:21 PM EST
    ... Sunday's game was that while the guy clearly posts great stats during the regular season, he was Mr. May when it came to post-season play. He got chased by the Mets twice in last year's NLDS, and was not exactly intimidating against the Nationals this year. He overcame a frankly miserable post-season record to pitch an awesome game against the Cubs.

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    Well....he didn't really have to do that yet! (none / 0) (#85)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 06:55:03 PM EST
    I predicted last Friday that ... (none / 0) (#89)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 07:26:15 PM EST
    ... the Cubs would win the NCLS in five games, but offered the caveat that they couldn't stumble in the first two games at Wrigley Field. Then Dave Roberts shuffled the Dodgers' rotation, had Clayton Kershaw start Game 2 on short rest, and the Cubs stumbled as a result.

    I still think the Cubs will win, but it will now likely take them at least six games. And my caveat here is that they will need to take two of three from the Dodgers in L.A., which of course is hardly an insurmountable feat for the Northsiders, given how they've played this season. In fact, they're also perfectly capable of sweeping the Dodgers right out of Chavez Ravine and ending the series in SoCal.

    But the one thing the Cubs DON'T want to do is head back to Chicago down 3 games to 2, only to face a well-rested Clayton Kershaw on the mound in Game 6. Because if any pitcher can slam the door shut in the Cubs' faces at such a point, that would be Kershaw.

    The Cubs are going to have to earn this one.

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    UPDATE: The Dodgers have gotten to Arietta. (none / 0) (#93)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 09:16:00 PM EST
    Yasmani Grandel belted a 2-run homer off him in the 4th to give the Dodgers a 3-0 lead and just now in the bottom of the 6th, Justin Turner hit a solo HR to make it 4-0.

    More significantly, the Cubs have managed just two hits off L.A. starter Rich Hill through six. Just my opinion, obviously, but they really ought to shake up their line-up tomorrow. They're not getting any production from the middle of their batting order this post-season, and right now that's hurting them big time. Waiting for the big guns to snap out of it could prove fatal in a short post-season series. Make some moves.

    Aloha.

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    FINAL: Dodgers 6, Cubs 0. (none / 0) (#104)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 10:48:00 PM EST
    Dodger pitching has delivered two consecutive shutouts, which has stunned even me, and L.A.'s now up 2 games to 1. Honestly, having managed just four hits tonight, the Cubs look just this side of catatonic at the plate. There's still time for them to turn it around, but they better find some lively bats and do so quickly, or their fans are going to go ballistic at the sight of yet another nightmarish collapse.

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    I rue the day... (none / 0) (#115)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 11:06:28 AM EST
    we let Justin Turner go...he's turned into quite a player.  We couldn't get him out in the NLDS last year.

    Hang in there Cub faithful...lotta baseball left.

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    ... if the Cubs don't start getting on base and scoring some runs. They're hitting only .152 as a team in the post-season, and that's including the Giants series, which they won. This is absolutely the wrong time of year to be going into a slump. If they don't snap out of it quickly, they're going to be snapped in two.

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    Game 3: The Cubs' bats finally come to life. (none / 0) (#139)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 09:51:20 PM EST
    It's the top of the 6th inning, there's one out, the bases are loaded, and the Cubs are looking to pad their 6-2 lead.

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    Excuse me - "Game 4." (none / 0) (#140)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 09:51:49 PM EST
    My bad.

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    Bottom of the 7th. Cubs lead 10-2. (none / 0) (#143)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 10:24:21 PM EST
    Top-6th, Game 5: Cubs 3, Dodgers 1. (none / 0) (#159)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 09:37:02 PM EST
    This one is really exciting.

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    Top 9th: Cubs 8, Dodgers 2. (none / 0) (#161)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 11:13:22 PM EST
    The Cubs broke it open in the top of the eighth. They're doing exactly what I said the other day that they had to do, which was to win two out of three in L.A. in order to not go back home trailing 3-2. If this lead holds, they'll have compelled Kershaw to keep the Dodgers alive for a Game 7, and won't be facing him in a do-or-die situation themselves.

    You're almost there, Chicago.

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    FINAL: Indians 3, Blue Jays 0. (none / 0) (#133)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 07:38:34 PM EST
    Congratulations to the Cleveland Indians, 2016 American League champions. After a five-decade drought in U.S. major league sports championships, the city of Cleveland now has a good shot at scoring its second one in five months.

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    not sure about this guy (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by fishcamp on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 07:13:34 AM EST


    Ooops (none / 0) (#11)
    by Nemi on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 08:06:48 AM EST
    my 5 unintentionally moved your comment away from the 'culprit'. :)

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    Charles Blow, NYTimes, (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by KeysDan on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 09:23:26 AM EST
    October 17,2016: ".. Trump is the logical extension of the worst of America.  And, the Republican party was just the right place for him to park himself." "...When you have a political party that takes as its mission to prevent government from working instead of to make government work. ....and, is still stuck by fever over the election of President Obama, Trump is a natural..end point."  "Trump is what happens when you wear your Christian conservative values like a cardigan to conveniently slip off when the heat rises."

    Alabama Republcan women's groups (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 05:12:24 PM EST
    Now attacking Martha Roby for her unendorsement of Trump. She is my Congresswoman for the district that I live in. She serves both Ft Rucker and Maxwell so I don't see how she could have not unendorse Trump. How do you support someone who brags about sexual assault as our military is busy teaching Jackson Katz? I wonder if everyone will write in the tea party candidate in? I felt bad for her for a second, visited her Facebook page. Turns out the enemy of your enemy is still your enemy when it's Martha Roby.

    I wondered how (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 06:44:31 PM EST
    that was going to play there in Alabama. It's like the movie the Help. They're willing to get run over by a mac truck as long as someone tells them they're better than a black person. Sad.

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    Roby asked Hillary (none / 0) (#59)
    by MKS on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 07:35:36 AM EST
    during the Benghazi hearings if she remained alone at home that night.  It was a really creepy question.

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    Oh yeah,...I forgot about that (none / 0) (#162)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Oct 21, 2016 at 10:38:17 AM EST
    She is offensive so often it's hard to keep up

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    Heckuva surrogate (5.00 / 4) (#48)
    by Peter G on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 08:39:05 PM EST
    Melania Tr*mp explains to Anderson Cooper that her husband thinks, acts and talks like a teenage boy ("I have two boys at home."). And then she laughs affectionately. But apparently doesn't see that this does not recommend him for the Presidency. Even the Framers knew that you ought to be at least 35 to be President, per U.S. Const., art. II, sec. 1, cl. 5, that is, especially in those days, a mature adult, not a teenager.

    Heh (as in 'snort'): (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Nemi on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 07:56:58 AM EST
    Al Giordano ‏@AlGiordano
    Mrs. Trump is on TV right now saying that "there is a lot of negativity on social media."

    I'm speechless.



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    A sign of the times.. (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 01:57:46 PM EST
    or the Trumps..bringing 'em out of the woodwork..

    Yesterday, I saw an old guy on a city park bench dressed in a black jacket, black shirt, and black cap with a Waffen SS patch prominently displayed on the front of it.

    I kid you not.

    Our eyes met, and the only thing that kept me from sardonically addressing him as Herr Himmler, or blurting out something angrier like "you f*ckers aren't so tough now" was the thought that he might possibly be suffering from advanced dementia/senility..

    We've also recently had people distributing white supremacist flyers late at night in areas in the burbs -- here in liberal, Western NY. I haven't heard about anything like that occurring around here in years.

    Should be interesting to see... (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 02:47:49 PM EST
    what the guy on the bench and the other emboldened fascists do come 11/9 when their obergruppenfuhrer suffers a humiliating defeat at the hands of the silent mongrel majority.

    Parent
    Yes it should (none / 0) (#99)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 09:46:17 PM EST
    On one hand we have the Demos dividing people into discrete groups.

    Blacks

    Hispanics/Latinos

    College educated females

    LGBT's

    et al

    You know, kinda like pure bloods

    OTOH we have a populist campaign that is saying

    Out of many, one!

    Parent

    Discrete groups? (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 10:04:29 PM EST
    Why do I feel like I just tuned into White Nationalist Rafio?

    Parent
    im college educated (none / 0) (#101)
    by linea on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 09:59:32 PM EST
    america doesnt have a parlimentary system; so i tend to think of the two political parties as mini-parliments. for example, the republicans try to cobble together 51% by assembling a variety  of groups: gun hunters, evangelicals, libertarians, and so on. same with the democratic party.

    Parent
    My point was that (none / 0) (#150)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 02:17:13 PM EST
    Trump's campaign is not a Repub campaign.

    Parent
    He won the Republican Primary (5.00 / 2) (#151)
    by CST on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 02:48:08 PM EST
    And is running on the Republican ticket.  Republican voters put him there.  You can run but you can't hide.

    Parent
    I remember when his point (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 08:39:19 PM EST
    was that the Tea Party weren't Republicans.

    Parent
    Actually a lot if Independents and (none / 0) (#163)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 21, 2016 at 10:41:02 AM EST
    Democrats helped.

    To restate:

    Trump's campaign is a populist campaign. He has attacked the elites on both sides.

    That's his appeal.

    Parent

    He's attacked elites on both sides (none / 0) (#166)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 21, 2016 at 11:15:52 AM EST
    but only sucked up to the elites on one side.

    Just like the Tea Party.

    Parent

    "A lot" - heh (none / 0) (#174)
    by Yman on Sat Oct 22, 2016 at 01:27:14 PM EST
    Every single candidate gets "a lot" of votes from "Independants" and the other party - including Hillary Clinton.

    Trumps "appeal" is that he allows his supporters to feel okay about voicing their vile opinions and beliefs because their candidate says what they think but are afraid to voice in mixed company.

    Parent

    Except that they've never actually (none / 0) (#106)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 04:12:03 AM EST
    publicly uttered those simple, unifying words "out of many, one."

    Why?

    Because your party's ace in the hole is pitting the great downsized and outsourced against those lower down in the food chain.

    As you well know.

    Parent

    A populist campaign (none / 0) (#107)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 04:33:43 AM EST
    that is saying "David Duke come out, come out wherever you are! We missed you!"

    Parent
    That was HILARIOUS! (none / 0) (#156)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 08:22:54 PM EST
    "Democrats are the dividers - Trump's the uniter!"

    Hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha
    ....

    Parent
    Russ Feingold (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by CST on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 04:02:38 PM EST
    Is getting hammered by SuperPacs (and is slipping in the polls).

    For anyone who cares about progressives in the senate - this is the guy.  He voted against the Iraq war, and was the lone senator to oppose the Patriot Act, among many other awesome qualities.

    Not only do we need more Dems in the senate, we need more Dems like Russ.

    I wish he woulda came here... (none / 0) (#81)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 04:45:29 PM EST
    And primary challenged Chuckie...the kind of Dem dragging the Senate down.

    Now he's lined up for majority leader. Sorry y'all.

    Russ could be hampered by split ticket votes in WI too...the Clinton with obstruction hedge voter. Let's hope Russ pulls it out.

    Parent

    The Miami Herald (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 10:56:52 AM EST
    one of Rubio's biggest backers has turned their back on him link

    Who didn't see this coming? (none / 0) (#12)
    by jbindc on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 09:17:16 AM EST

    A key member of Donald Trump's inner circle has contacted a media banker about the idea of setting up a new television network after the election, according to a published report.

    The Financial Times reported that Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, contacted LionTree CEO Aryeh Bourkoff about the idea. The report, citing people with knowledge of the matter, said the conversation was brief and hasn't progressed. But the report said the approach suggests that Kushner and the Republican candidate are looking at how to capitalize on their populist movement.

    Link


    Here's a proposed lineup (none / 0) (#14)
    by jbindc on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 10:04:58 AM EST
    Well, you had me (none / 0) (#18)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 01:42:18 PM EST
    until I opened the link.

    Funny.

    Parent

    What's funny (none / 0) (#19)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 01:54:48 PM EST
    is that those are all people Trump takes dead seriously.

    And why wouldn't he?

    The only ones missing are the Bearded Lady, Sybil the Fortune Teller, and Sarah Palin.

    Parent

    ... and says that his now-former boss Roger Ailes was always respectful to him and made Fox News "a very warm and loving and comfortable place."

    Okay, then.

    Didn't he play Laura Palmer's father? (none / 0) (#17)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 01:42:01 PM EST
    or did I just dream that?

    Parent
    well duh (none / 0) (#24)
    by CST on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 02:27:53 PM EST
    Shep's a man.  Not really Roger's type.

    Parent
    LOL! I was actually going to say that ... (none / 0) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 03:32:40 PM EST
    ... Shep doesn't look very good in a black cocktail dress, but then I thought it would be better to tee up the obvious punchline for someone else like you.

    Parent
    Oh fer I'm not phucking you sakes ;) (none / 0) (#100)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 09:57:20 PM EST
    Wikileaks is relesing (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 01:54:54 PM EST
    bad stuff about Hillary...

    And someone has shut down their Internet access...

    Now that is a surprise.

    Maybe it was The Russians, (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 02:04:16 PM EST
    maybe it was The Chinese, maybe it was the CIA, maybe it was someone laying in bed who weighs 400 lbs.

    Probably for the best to release more emails after 11/8 anyway...when partisans can be slightly more objective.  Releasing during silly season is a waste...40% of the country will give them too much credence, and 60% will give them too little.

    Parent

    I think the answer is (none / 0) (#42)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 05:38:55 PM EST
    right here.

    No need to wait...unless you're Hillary.

    ;-)

    Parent

    Jim, that is very stupid... (none / 0) (#54)
    by fishcamp on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 11:39:12 PM EST
    Really??? (none / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 06:18:20 AM EST
    Guess you aren't a Bellamy Brothers fan.

    "What you do and say today

    It won't go away and stay

    It'll just come back and burn your &*&& tomorrow."

    Seems rather appropriate... for both Hillary and Donald.

    Parent

    Someone is claiming ... (none / 0) (#22)
    by Yman on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 02:18:28 PM EST
    ... that Assange had his internet access cut off, and the wingers are pushing a silly conspiracy theory that Obama/Hillary are behind it.  As always,  without a shred of evidence.

    Now that's not remotely surprising.


    Parent

    They've been (none / 0) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 02:18:56 PM EST
    saying that for a long time. Vlad probably had Putin shut them down.

    No white knight is going to show up to deliver you Jim.

    Parent

    Maybe he neglected to pay his bill. (none / 0) (#32)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 03:38:13 PM EST
    Or perhaps the folks at the Ecuadoran embassy in London are giving their taciturn houseguest a hint that it might be a good time to find someplace else to live.

    Parent
    Are you saying the embassy (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by CoralGables on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 05:12:32 PM EST
    might be viewing Assange as three day old fish?

    Parent
    In Assange's case, it's more like ... (none / 0) (#55)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 12:07:40 AM EST
    ... a six-year-old fish that had somehow been shoved to the back of the freezer and forgotten until rediscovered fairly recently. You'd like to dispose of it, but the only ones who still insist that they want it are your Swedish neighbors, and you can't just give it to them because of liability concerns.

    ;-D

    Parent

    ... it so happens that I was actually right, albeit inadvertently. WikiLeaks said tonight that it was the Ecuadoran diplomatic staff in London, and not the British or Americans, who cut off Assange's internet access.

    Parent
    Wikileaks is claiming... (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 02:43:07 PM EST
    Ecuador cut the internet at the behest of John Kerry, allegedly because leaked emails could potentially hamper the ongoing attempts to broker peace between FARC and the Colombian government.

    State Dept. has denied these allegations.

    I'm inclined to suspect we've been pressuring Ecuador to do much more than jam up Julian's wifi for some years now.  

    Parent

    ... in the United States, he's not a target of our Justice Dept. at present. Despite his claims of political persecution, he's actually hiding out at the Ecuadoran embassy in London to avoid having to talk to Swedish authorities regarding an investigation into two separate allegations of sexual assault / battery in their country.

    Parent
    A bit of a problem with your assertion, (none / 0) (#79)
    by Mr Natural on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 03:40:34 PM EST
    Donald.  

    Your introductory conclusion, that [Assange] "is not a target of our Justice Dept. at present," does not follow from what you claim is "given, that he is not under indictment in the United States."

    A U.S. indictment would be a consequence, not an antecedent to Assange's being a target of the Justice Department.  Indictments occur after an investigation, not before.

    Parent

    Then I stand corrected. (none / 0) (#83)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 05:49:42 PM EST
    Regardless, my point is that Julian Assange is presently holed up in the Ecuadoran embassy because he's trying to avoid Swedish authorities, not the USDOJ.

    Parent
    my thoughts... (none / 0) (#91)
    by linea on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 07:46:53 PM EST
    i support the law for which assange is being investigated.

    if i understand this issue correctly, the interesting legal questions were (1) will UK courts extradite on an investigation request rather than an actual arrest warrent? (2) will UK courts extradite an Australian for an offence that is not an actual crime in the the UK or Australia? seems the UK courts answered YES to both.

    Parent

    Ecuador (none / 0) (#82)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 05:03:20 PM EST
    internal politics apparently play into this as their current president has been supporting Assange but the people of Ecuador are getting sick of this whole game and want Assange gone. Then there's the report that he's been trolling the internet for young girls. When the current president is replaced it's likely that Assange is going to be booted out of the embassy.

    Parent
    I knew it! (none / 0) (#84)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 05:56:17 PM EST
    Ga6thDem: "Then there's the report that he's been trolling the internet for young girls."

    Assange DOES have something in common with Der Trumpenfuhrer!

    Parent

    Initial claim being made by (none / 0) (#129)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 01:43:04 PM EST
    An internet dating site trying to provide "safer" dating was that Assange contacted them wanting to be an anti-rape advocate. Part of the deal of him joining them was he got the goods on their company, which he may have then used to allow himself access to women in the system. And then an 8 yr old got onto her 22 yr old sister acct and who knows if Assange knew she was a child, but the parents called the police in the Bahamas...they say Assange is identified in the chat logs.

    Parent
    Video...chat logs (none / 0) (#130)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 01:43:55 PM EST
    Melania sitting down for an interview (none / 0) (#25)
    by Yman on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 02:58:26 PM EST
    ... with Fox and CNN - surely am attempt to defend the Donald from all the accusations.   Wonder if they'll softball her or actually challenge her.

    evidence? (none / 0) (#27)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 03:06:50 PM EST
    surely am [sic] attempt to defend the Donald from all the accusations

    Parent
    ... Melania plagiarizing passages from Michelle Obama's LAST speech, will we?

    ;-D

    Parent

    Well, Melania (none / 0) (#74)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 02:29:00 PM EST
    had me, but then I began to question and disbelieve when she said she was born on the South Side and her father worked for the Chicago Water Department.

    Parent
    Heh - you want "evidence" ... (none / 0) (#49)
    by Yman on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 09:56:11 PM EST
    ... for what was clearly my speculation regarding her motive behind granting the interviews which - at that time - hadn't yet occurred?

    Heh.

    How about just evidence that I was correct?

    But your newfound respect for evidence is duly noted.

    Parent

    "clearly" (none / 0) (#52)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 10:44:55 PM EST
    so you say

    Parent
    Yep - I did (none / 0) (#62)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 08:17:36 AM EST
    Didn't stutter in the least.  

    ... and my speculation about her very obvious motive behind granting the interviews was entirely correct.

    Parent

    From our "Fire at Hill" file: (none / 0) (#36)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 04:53:08 PM EST
    May the ghosts of Ben Bradkee and Katherine Graham haunt the Washington Post's Matt Zapotosky, for first alleging this morning on Twitter that Hillary Clinton were observed removing lamps and other furniture from her State Dept. office and taking the items to her D.C. residence at the end of her tenure as Sec. of State, with the clear implication that a theft may have occurred.

    Three hours later, Zapotosky was compelled to retract his Tweet, when State Dept. spokesperson Mark Toner took vigorous issue with his now-public insinuation, told the reporter that the items in question were actually Mrs. Clinton's in the first place, and upbraided him for reporting out of context information from a Form 302 (Public Disclosure form) without first seeking further clarification.

    In the meantime, Zapotosky's first tweet alleging theft was retweeted 156 times and received 135 likes, while his subsequent retraction was retweeted only 25 times and received only 38 likes.

    This is your D.C. press corps at work, everyone.

    but but but (none / 0) (#37)
    by The Addams Family on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 04:58:22 PM EST
    didn't TEH CLINTONS steal all the furniture & silverware from the White House on their way out? after prying all the W keys from the White House keyboards & hiding said keys under Lincoln's bed?

    do your homework, Donald, before you presume to criticize the DC press corps again

    Parent

    You know, you're right. (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 05:42:45 PM EST
    I hereby pledge to cease thinking critically for myself, and to be entirely more trusting of those journalists in Washington like Matt Zapotosky and Chris Cillizza, who fully understand the high stakes involved here and realize that Mother must be stopped at all costs before she kills again.

    ;-D

    Parent

    More fun (none / 0) (#44)
    by FlJoe on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 06:39:31 PM EST
    RIGGED!
    Drudge, Limbaugh Fall for Twitter Joke About Postal Worker Destroying Trump Ballots

    It would be hilarious  except now millions of people will take it as gospel, to their graves probably.

    Parent

    Zimmerman - Apperson case (none / 0) (#38)
    by gaf on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 05:06:38 PM EST
    Jeralyn, loved your coverage on the original Zimmerman case - so I was wondering what was your opinion on the Zimmerman-Apperson case verdict. Matthew Apperson got sentenced to 20 years.  


    An Obvious Difference (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by RickyJim on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 10:15:05 PM EST
    between Zimmerman's claim of self defense and Apperson's was that Apperson shot into Zimmerman's car when Zimmerman was inside it.  I didn't watch the trial video but right off the bat, such a situation doesn't come close to the fight on the ground in the Martin case.  Apparently the jury didn't see any reasonable justification for Apperson's behavior.

    Parent
    If you don't mind my chiming in before Jeralyn (none / 0) (#41)
    by RCBadger on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 05:28:06 PM EST
    I was surprised it actually ended up going to trial. The trial is available on Youtube.  

    Parent
    why woudnt (none / 0) (#46)
    by linea on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 07:34:09 PM EST
    attempted murder and aggravated assault with a firearm go to trial?

    Parent
    Plea bargain (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by RCBadger on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 08:22:03 PM EST
    I thought the defense would go for a plea bargain.

    Parent
    And now Wiki (none / 0) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 06:30:08 AM EST
    tells us that Hillary's people wanted to trade changing some email's classification with the FBI for prime/desired assignments.

    Follow the money. Always.

    Follow the money and it will lead you to a quid pro quo.

    ....or at least an attempt.

    Tampering with evidence is a crime, isn't it???

    It is (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 09:29:11 AM EST
    Unfortunately for you, silly,  conspiracy theories are not.

    Parent
    ... clarifying that it was their own agent, and not "Hillary's people" at the State Dept., who first broached the idea of the State Dept. providing more space at the facilities for FBI agents posted overseas. There was no quid pro quo. Don't know why you're still misinterpreting the event, Jim, given that the FBI's statement was all over the news yesterday afternoon and evening.

    Parent
    From your link (none / 0) (#90)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 07:31:13 PM EST
    No where did I see
    clarifying that it was their own agent, and not "Hillary's people" at the State Dept.
    ,

    another FBI interview with an FBI employee, who said he felt "pressured" to "change a classified email from Clinton's server to "unclassified" as part of a "quid pro quo" between an FBI official and Undersecretary of State Patrick Kennedy.  

    The employee said in exchange for the reduced classification, he was told "State would reciprocate by allowing the FBI to place more agents in countries where they are presently forbidden.

    "

    Both the FBI and State Department insist there was no quid pro quo. One spokesman called it a "misunderstanding."

    At the least, Kennedy was doing all he could to make Madame Sec's statement " I never sent or received classified information accurate. At any rate, the FBI agent who wrote the 302 is now retired and I suspect will be called to testify to Congress. We will then find out what occurred.

    Parent

    seems like the (none / 0) (#95)
    by ding7777 on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 09:16:56 PM EST
    retired FBI agent had a reading comprehension deficit and conflated 2 conversation streams into 1

    Parent
    This is plain. (none / 0) (#98)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 09:40:51 PM EST
    The employee said in exchange for the reduced classification, he was told "State would reciprocate by allowing the FBI to place more agents in countries where they are presently forbidden."

    CBS News

    Either the agent is lying or an attempt to bribe occured.

    Parent

    I do not think the FBI was trying to bribe State (none / 0) (#109)
    by ding7777 on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 06:00:43 AM EST
    and although FBI lying is a possibility, the whole episode is probably a  result of thrice removed hearsay:

    Kennedy (State Dept) objects to FBI's up-classification because Kennedy cannot support the up-classification if it is challenged in court.

    Kennedy asks McCauley (FBI records) to unclassify

    McCauley asks Kennedy to help with more agent slots in Iraq

    McCauley relayed the Kenndy conversation to an FBI records colleague

    FBI investigator interview that FBI records colleague

    FBI investigator summarizes the interview: "FBI [records] colleague said McCauley relayed his conversation with Kennedy in a way that suggested Kennedy had offered a "quid pro quo,"

    The "quid pro quo" reference came from McCauley or the FBI records colleague or the FBI investigator.

    McCauley denies "quid pro quo", and if true,  that leaves the FBI records colleague or FBI investigator as either lying or displaying the classic cumulative error of the old telephone game


    Parent

    So you claim the agent (none / 0) (#111)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 08:10:08 AM EST
    is lying.

    Okie Dokie.

    Parent

    Funny (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by FlJoe on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 08:22:05 AM EST
    how the Trumpsters and many Republicans have been accusing  James Comey and the entire FBI of lying about the e-mail investigation, yet they take vague and misconstrued statements by one agent as gospel (as long as it fits their narrative).

    Parent
    They have very narrow, crooked (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 11:27:52 AM EST
    openings in their minds that only certain select bits of information fit into.

    Parent
    Speaking of misconstruing (none / 0) (#148)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 01:59:32 PM EST
    ......No one has claimed that the entire FBI is lying about the investigation.

    And what the agent said is very plain.

    The employee said in exchange for the reduced classification, he was told "State would reciprocate by allowing the FBI to place more agents in countries where they are presently forbidden."

    That is specific and clear.

    Now, if you want to accuse this agent of lying, be my guest.

    But don't try and muddy the water by claiming he didn't say what he said.

    Parent

    no (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by ding7777 on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 08:22:18 AM EST
    I said lying or cumulative error

    Parent
    Heh (none / 0) (#120)
    by Yman on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 11:48:29 AM EST
    An anonymous employee's characterization of what he was told by another unnamed person.

    That is "plain".

    Heh.

    Parent

    Your desperation is obvious, Trevor. (none / 0) (#96)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 09:18:00 PM EST
    And that's all I have to say to you.

    Parent
    Or follow the rational truth, maybe (none / 0) (#60)
    by Nemi on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 07:51:07 AM EST
    and Condi's people (none / 0) (#65)
    by vicndabx on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 10:21:34 AM EST
    tells us that Hillary's people

    Kennedy's been working at state for like 40 years, hardly the partisan.

    Key facts: the email being argued about was not marked classified when it was received, 2 - the FBI is alleged to have asked for a favor, per the documents, not State, 3 - WTF evidence?  this was all in response to FOIA request, there was no trial here.


    Officials at both the F.B.I. and the State Department said Monday that no deal had been struck, or even offered, over the classification of Mrs. Clinton's private emails. They noted that the Benghazi email in question was made public with a sentence blocked out, meeting the F.B.I.'s demand for classification. They also said that no additional F.B.I. agents were posted overseas.

    There is no indication from the documents that Mrs. Clinton was aware of the discussion.

    Who ate the milk and cookies?
    I did but didn't use a napkin
    !!!!You were supposed to use a napkin!!!
    There were no napkins in the dispenser sir, besides, I didn't spill anything.
    You didn't see that scrap on the toilet roll?  Too bad, off to the hoosegow with you!


    Parent

    So working at DOS (none / 0) (#97)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 09:27:12 PM EST
    for 40 years means that Kennedy is not a partisan Democrat in the tank for Hillary.

    Okie Dokie.

    The things I learn.

    Parent

    He's a bureaucrat, not a pol (none / 0) (#123)
    by Yman on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 12:31:12 PM EST
    He might or might not be a partisan Democrat, but you offer absolutely ZERO evidence to sorry your specious claim ... as usual.

    Parent
    So a non partisan Democrat (none / 0) (#152)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 03:04:18 PM EST
    made a quid pro quo offer to help Hillary duck the email scandal.

    Okie Dokie.

    The things I learn.

    Parent

    Sso in addition to a lack of evidence (none / 0) (#157)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 08:28:38 PM EST
    ... reading skills are also lacking.

    The things I already knew ...

    Parent

    Kdog, Bob Weir was on Colbert last night (none / 0) (#86)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 06:56:17 PM EST
    Watching my DVR now. Good stuff, might have to pick up the new album.

    Bob (5.00 / 3) (#92)
    by Repack Rider on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 07:52:32 PM EST
    ...is a friend.  He used to be a mountain biker.  I wrote this article for a bicycle magazine about a ride we took together.  It's also a chapter in my book.

    Parent
    The wife of another friend of yours, Repack, (none / 0) (#132)
    by Mr Natural on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 04:43:06 PM EST
    if I recall correctly, gave permission for her most iconic song to play over over a new Anti-Trump ad.

    "your face, it was apricot"

    Parent

    Thanks... (none / 0) (#116)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 11:13:28 AM EST
    I'll look for the clip.  Heard a track off the new record on WFUV, sounded sweet.

    Bobby was in town last weekend and I had to miss him, much to my chagrin. But I'm making up for it with Phil Lesh & Friends with personal fave Luther Dickinson in the band on 10/29 up at The Cap.  

    Deadish Halloween shows are always especially fun...with a pregame hike of Bear Mountain on tap.  Catskills in autumn, scenic color explosion!

    Parent

    Couldn't have said (none / 0) (#105)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 12:20:40 AM EST
    It better

    http://tinyurl.com/hgjmqup

    This dumpster fire of a campaign has three weeks to go. For a tired nation and a deeply-wounded political process, the end can't come fast enough. Faced with the prospect of his impending loss, a humiliating one at that, Donald Trump has gone full Buzz Windrip, complete with conspiracy theories, angry rhetoric and a collection of malcontents in search of their own power. Daily, Trump now indicts and impugns the American electoral system with conspiracies enough to float a squadron of black helicopters.

    Hillary Clinton, however, represents the status quo on many different levels. She is the embodiment of what so many Americans (and almost all Republicans) see as a country run by elites who truly care little for their well-being.

    Regardless of how she walked back her "deplorable" comment and many of Trump's supporters are in fact deplorable, she meant what she said. The urban left has too little respect for suburban and rural America.


    Do you even know who this guy is? (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 04:50:55 AM EST
    Because I sure do. I first met Reed Galen in Sacramento in the summer of 2001. He's a Republican campaign operative and political consultant who specializes in conservative dog whistles and vacuous platitudes, and whose lack of a moral and ethical compass is a big part of the reason why the California GOP's support has tanked, especially in the Latino community. Californians can thank Reed for Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who left their state's finances in an absolute shambles.

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    "Both Siderism" strikes again (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 11:33:12 AM EST
    Did you post this to show how stupid the writer is?  Because no thinking person could accept this:

    Hillary Clinton, however, represents the status quo on many different levels.

    The "status quo" in Washington has been investigating Hillary for 25 years.  The writer asserts that HRC is "representative" of the people who have opposed her, investigated her non-stop and accused her of everything including treason and murder.  I think you will agree that this is a moronic assertion.  

    The "status quo" in Washington is the do-nothing Congress, its endless investigation of HRC, its attempts to destroy the ACA and opposition to a SCOTUS appointment.  You can't blame Hillary for any of that.

    Regardless of how she walked back her "deplorable" comment and many of Trump's supporters are in fact deplorable, she meant what she said. The urban left has too little respect for suburban and rural America.

    The "both siders" seem to think America owes some form of respect for the racists, misogynists, xenophobes, and morons who support Trump.  I say there is no point in pandering to the enemies of democracy.

    Remember how the Republicans were careful not to hurt the feelings of Hispanics, Muslims, Blacks, gays and women?  Yeah, me neither.  Well, that's the exact amount of respect they are entitled to from those same people.

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    You're talking two status quos Repack... (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 11:57:28 AM EST
    the partisan nonsense power struggle status quo Dems and Repubs play internally to attempt to damage the other and maintain more power for themselves...and the larger umbrella status quo of a government serving elites, corporations, banks and financiers, and assorted moneyed special interests instead of the nation as a whole.

    I think it's definitely fair to say Hillary Clinton is representative of that status quo from the left side.  She's served as first lady, senator, and secretary of state as so many middle and working class Americans run to stand still.  And why Bernie made such a close race of it that no one could have predicted.

    As for disrespect for the various cultures and ways of life that our multicultural and vast nation contains...I think that disrespect street goes both ways.  Flyover doesn't exactly ooze with respect for how the urban heathens wanna live either.  

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    Bernie (none / 0) (#124)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 12:34:27 PM EST
    is more establishment than Hillary. He's been in Washington longer than even Hillary. He's been the head of the budget committee. Just because he never passed anything doesn't mean he's not establishment.

    Anyway I know you are not voting this election so in the end it doesn't matter.

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    I'll need a little help here (none / 0) (#128)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 01:42:54 PM EST
    Flyover doesn't exactly ooze with respect for how the urban heathens wanna live either.

    Obviously I have missed some cultural milestone, so I will need your help in understanding your post.

    Who are the "urban heathens" and how do they "wanna live?"  Am I an urban heathen?  What is the accepted (RWNJ) definition of urban heathen?  Are you suggesting that urban heathens should be required to respect people who do not respect them?

    BTW, tomorrow evening I have been asked to attend an event in a historically Black community, honoring business owners in that community.  I'm a white guy.  I was invited because one of those owners is the Black ex-convict whom I hired 18 years ago right out of prison, and who bought my business a couple of years ago.  I'm sure I will be associating there with a lot of "urban heathens."

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    Just my cultural vernacular at work Brother... (none / 0) (#131)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 04:24:52 PM EST
    I'm an example of an urban heathen... metropolitan area dweller who has no use for religion or guns and other staples of our typical rural sub culture in flyover country. Yeah, I'd say you and I are cultural brethren.

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    Lol (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by TrevorBolder on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 09:10:20 PM EST
    Hillary is so status quo, she cleared the field of all except The Bern for the primary, now The Bern was not status quo, Madame Sec, yes, more of the same.

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    this is true (none / 0) (#136)
    by linea on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 09:28:44 PM EST
    the DNC cleared the field for Hillary. the only person who didnt get the memo was the crazy pro-hunting Democratic Socialist.

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    Why that looks like (none / 0) (#137)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 09:43:27 PM EST
    ...the winning strategy.  Hard to argue with success.  But I know you will anyway.

    Do you have any idea why the GOP selected the worst possible candidate, just to make the inevitable even easier?  Hillary was going to win anyway, but the GOP made it a done deal by failing to compete.

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    GOP didnt select trump (none / 0) (#141)
    by linea on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 09:54:23 PM EST
    GOP/RNC opposed Trump. the repulican base voted for the only an anti-Globalist pro-Nationalist candidate running.

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    What does this tell us (none / 0) (#142)
    by Repack Rider on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 10:19:19 PM EST
    ...about the "Republican base?"  They didn't come from nowhere, and there is clearly a reason they are Republicans.  They are the end result of the Southern Strategy and the election of Ronald Reagan.

    The Southern Strategy gave the GOP a majority by collecting the racist Democrats in the South who were angry about teh Blacks getting equal rights.+  Having assimilated racism, it became a core value of the GOP.

    Ronald Reagan paved the way for an entertainer with no knowledge of government to be considered an acceptable candidate.  As an actor he knew that he was not the leader, and he was content to stand wherever they wanted him to, and read the script in a convincing fashion.  It was pretty clear that he was not in charge.

    Jimmie Carter had a PhD in nuclear physics, but the voters selected a guy with half of Carter's IQ, because he "looked and sounded presidential."  As we know, the country suffered terribly for that choice.  Reagan's administration still holds the record for the most corrupt in our history.

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    All it tells us (none / 0) (#145)
    by TrevorBolder on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 05:34:28 AM EST
    Is that the Democrats are the party of status quo in this election.
    Which was how this whole conversation started

    This dumpster fire of a campaign has three weeks to go. For a tired nation and a deeply-wounded political process, the end can't come fast enough. Faced with the prospect of his impending loss, a humiliating one at that, Donald Trump has gone full Buzz Windrip, complete with conspiracy theories, angry rhetoric and a collection of malcontents in search of their own power. Daily, Trump now indicts and impugns the American electoral system with conspiracies enough to float a squadron of black helicopters.
    Hillary Clinton, however, represents the status quo on many different levels. She is the embodiment of what so many Americans (and almost all Republicans) see as a country run by elites who truly care little for their well-being.
    Regardless of how she walked back her "deplorable" comment and many of Trump's supporters are in fact deplorable, she meant what she said. The urban left has too little respect for suburban and rural America.


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    Why don't you post links? (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 07:45:57 AM EST
    I just wasted 30 seconds only to discover that the opinion piece you're citing was Reed Galen, which doesn't make your claim any more credible.

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    They're his bread and butter (none / 0) (#122)
    by jondee on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 11:59:21 AM EST
    so the writer has to "respect" them, whether he does in reality or not.

    Just like the GOP establishment now has to respect Rapturists, neoconfederates, and scorched earth libertarians.

    Doesn't mean anyone else has to.

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    "And the rest was history" (none / 0) (#160)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Oct 20, 2016 at 11:02:19 PM EST
    Sarah Weddington was 26 and, as a recent graduate of the University of Texas law school, had rarely taken on a contested lawsuit. She had only used her law degree to work on divorces and wills.

    "It makes you grateful because all of us want to make a difference. And I know that I have."

    Weddington represented "Jane Roe" of Roe vs. Wade, which altered the lives and health of women with the Supreme Court's decision on Jan. 22, 1973, affirming women's right to have an abortion.

    "The next president will have a Supreme Court legacy comparable to that of Richard Nixon who filled four vacancies in a little more than two years."