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Trump Claims Martyr Status in Response to Groping Claims

Here's Donald, Martyr in Chief, after multiple women have called him out for inappropriate groping:

“I take all of these slings and arrows, gladly, for you,” Mr. Trump said to cheers in West Palm Beach. “I take them for our movement, so that we can have our country back. Our great civilization here in America and across the civilized world has come upon a moment of reckoning.”

Trump is imploding. He continues to insist all these women's claims against him are lies, and the product of some grand conspiracy. The latest polls in Pennsylvania have Hillary way ahead. I disagree that this is some watershed moment for women, like Ferguson. I think it's about Donald Trump, not a cause. Who wouldn't be reviled by him except the staunchest, most irrational Clinton haters? The sheer number of claims simply make them impossible for him to overcome. He has no path to win. No one wants a groper-in-chief for President.

As Bob Dylan put it decades ago, "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." So what is his goal at this point? Trump must know he's going down in flames. Can he avoid his brand going down with him? What about his kids? Are they privately in denial or mortified? Will Melania stay with him after the election?

Ultimately, I think history books will marvel at his arrogance and narcissism -- he really seems to believe that people love him so much they will fail to see him as the Emperor with No Clothes and overlook the growing number of accusations against him -- accusations that include not just groping, but bigotry against immigrants and Muslims, inflating his wealth while downplaying his business failures, and misogyny -- as well as his bizarre admissions, like bragging about avoiding federal taxes. How delusional. [More...]

Trump has always had an inflated (to be generous) view of himself and his achievements. He must think no one remembers the Trump of the 90's. Has anyone ever tuned into the Apprentice to see Trump, as opposed to the contestants? I never did.

The New York Times responds to Trump's recent demand for a retraction and threat of a lawsuit with this letter.

Here's the list of newspaper endorsements for this election. No major, independent paper in the U.S. has endorsed him. His four endorsements are: The National Enquirer, a tabloid; The Observer, published by his son-in-law; The New York Post (owned by News Corp.) and the Santa Barbara News Press. Even a conservative Wall St Journal columnist is now backing Hillary. In her recent column, "Hillary-Hatred Derangement Syndrome", she writes:

"Her election alone is what stands between the American nation and the reign of the most unstable, proudly uninformed, psychologically unfit president ever to enter the White House."

What about the Wall St Journal editorial board? Today, it's blaming Trump for his almost certain failure to win the Presidency:

You can almost see Mr. Trump preparing to blame Republicans if he loses, and perhaps even trying to take the GOP House and Senate down with him if he trails badly in the last two weeks.

But Republicans didn’t urge Mr. Trump to spend three weeks attacking Judge Gonzalo Curiel, the Khan family and Alicia Machado. They didn’t talk trash about women with Billy Bush, and they didn’t tell Mr. Trump to make the election about character rather than issues. They also didn’t tell him to disdain fundraising and organizing until the final four months.

GOP leaders bent over backward to respect the voters who nominated Mr. Trump by trying to agree on a common agenda. Mr. Ryan and most other Republicans endorsed him. If they now have to distance themselves from the top of the ticket for reasons of political self-preservation or conscience, the Trump campaign has brought them there.

As his suppporter, the New York Post wrote two days ago, Trump is now a Party of One.

Bob Dylan also famously wrote, "But even the president of the United States sometimes must have to stand naked." I wonder, when Donald Trump looks at himself naked in the mirror, what does he see?

I think Trump will end up as the Pariah of 2016. From the day he announced his campaign riding down an escalator, I've always believed he'll lose badly in November. I just never dreamed he'd self-immolate.

For a laugh, here's Jon Stewart on Donald Trump's ride down the escalator to announce his Presidency. It starts at 3'45 into the clip. What a downhill ride it's been.

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    It's ugly all over (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 06:55:41 AM EST
    the internet and social media. The GOP has believed for a long, long time that they are entitled to the presidency. It's been 25 years in the coming but they are reaping what they have sown.

    On the WSJ editorial (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 06:59:33 AM EST
    It is true as far as it goes, but there is no excusing the GOP for letting this happen. All of the things they list are post nomination or close to it. I hate to say this, but Scott Walker was right on target when he dropped out of the race, fairly early in the process. About 10 other people should have left the clown car at that time. The party should have encouraged that - stood up for something instead of encouraging the worst instincts of the base.

    POTUS said it best as usual - find his speech last night, it was right to the point.

    Well, part of the (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 07:34:03 AM EST
    problem has been the citizen's united decision that allowed nonviable candidates to hang on. All they needed was one funder and they could stay in for a long, long time. And it's a money maker for people. It just had to get to the point where they were utterly humiliated to drop out for whatever reason. The WSJ seems to be blaming Trump. Trump would never have happened as well all know if the GOP had not been playing games with their voters for a long time.

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    Yes, perfect storm of Evangelical billionaires (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 08:32:14 AM EST
    Single handedly funding candidates and a generation eating Fox News.

    I've got nothing. We've all sat here since 2008 and watched the hurricane approach.

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    Buckley v. Valeo, not Citizens United (5.00 / 2) (#111)
    by Michael Masinter on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 04:50:55 PM EST
    The SCOTUS decision that unleashed billionaires on all of us is Buckley v. Valeo, not Citizens United.  Buckley, decided in 1976 held unconstitutional all independent expenditure limits by individuals; Citizens United extended that ruling to corporations. But the big spending billionaires, from Sheldon Adelson to Rebekah Brooks, are individuals, not corporations, and they have been free to spend as much as they want as long as they don't coordinate with a candidate.

    Citizens United did lead to Speechnow.org v. FEC which held unconstitutional contribution limits to PACs, making it possible for Adelson and Brooks to spend their money by donating it to nominally independent political action committees rather than by paying for ads they created; that enabled them to spend money more efficiently, but the case that started our transition from one person one vote to one dollar one vote is Buckley v. Valeo.

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    The Buckley/Citizens United scam (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 07:01:45 PM EST
    doesn't work unless you also cripple the FEC, so that it is unable to police effectively the caveat that "independent expenditures" not be "coordinated" with an official campaign. Which it has been, and which they patently are.

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    Blame us Lawyers (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Michael Masinter on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 08:58:20 PM EST
    Any lawyer worth her degree can engineer around the independent expenditure restriction. Jeb! raised it to an art form, but Secretary Clinton is almost as good. The Clinton campaign and associated PACs have raised far more money than Trump and his associated PACs.  The 1.5 million announced by Peter Thiel today is just a drop in the bucket.

    Trump got this far despite, not because of campaign finance law; he played the media like a maestro during the republican primaries; if against all odds he wins this election, it won't be because he and his allies outspent Secretary Clinton.

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    "one dollar per vote" (none / 0) (#162)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 06:11:59 PM EST
    - great imagery.

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    Sorry, I Don't Follow Your Reasoning (none / 0) (#6)
    by RickyJim on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 09:46:49 AM EST
    I don't know what games the GOP has been playing with their votes that caused Trump to be nominated.  I see the Trump phenomenon as an inevitable result of (almost) direct election of the President of the US combined with the overwhelming fascination of the populace with entertainment celebrities.  All the Trump voters I know were big fans of "The Apprentice".  

    The founding fathers had a different idea because they had intermediate stages between ordinary citizens and the selection of the people who run the country. Whenever you allow direct democracy, Donald Trumps will be nominated or maybe (gasp) even elected, just like allowing legal cases to be decided by juries of ignoramuses leads to OJ Simpsons getting acquitted.  

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    What do you want us to say to you (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 10:03:07 AM EST
    RickyJim? We know you can't follow the reasoning. We understand that is how you've all ended up in this trainwreck. That IS why you are susceptible. I'm afraid we can't help you much either.

    If you could have been helped you would have been "helped" by now.

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    The games were.... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 11:41:43 AM EST
    Throwing money and votes at people like Ben Carson to keep them in the race as long as possible even though it was clear they could never win. Sure, I guess they made their point - whatever the he** it was.

    If the race had been Trump, Cruz, Kasich (or name any other two real contenders) from January on, the GOP would have at least had a shot at nominating someone that, though ideologically anathema to half the country, was not a raving lunatic.

    Of course for my own purposes I am glad they went the way they did, despite the disgust I feel every day watching this horrible excuse for a human being.

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    Damn straight.... (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 11:50:45 AM EST
    if Republicans nominated any other horse...Kasich, Lil Marco, Crazy Ted, even Benny The Blade, I think we'd be crying in our cereal on November 9th.  

    Hillary would be the most unpopular presidential candidate ever, if not for the more unpopular and reviled Creeper Donald.
     

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    A few months ago I may have agreed (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 11:53:39 AM EST
    But after watching the smooth running of her campaign, I am not so sure. I think she still would have won, it just would have been a more conventional race.

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    I don't know... (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 02:00:32 PM EST
    if not for Trump's sex offender behavior coming to light as the October (Non-Surprise) Surprise, the Wiki email dump would be the story getting non-stop airplay and dissection as the October Surprise.  

    I don't know if whatever dirt the Dems supposedly held against the clown car runners-up could compare....nor could their unfavorable ratings.  Well, maybe Ted's unfavorable could compare.

    Not to mention, Republicans would be in Stepford lockstep behind any other nominee, and there would be no party-wide implosion and no defectors.

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    You see that's the rub. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 02:04:36 PM EST
    The Republicans would not be lock step around these other candidates. They would probably be getting the same percentage as Trump but it would be a different group of Republicans. The rest of them say they have had it with "establishment" candidates.

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    I think you underestimate... (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 02:12:05 PM EST
    the Trump Brigade's dislike for the Clintons.  Yes, they have had it with the establishment but the Trump wing of the party's first priority would be stopping Hillary...where as the GOP establishment can live with Hillary, and even vote for her over Trump.

    Anybody else, the Dems would be in trouble.  But luckily, it's moot as they made their bed with dirty sleazy sheets, and now they have to lay in it;)

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    Well, you (5.00 / 4) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 02:26:56 PM EST
    constantly underestimate Hillary so what am I gonna say? So does the GOP. The GOP says the same thing you say but it's been debunked. You don't think they hate Obama as much as they hate Hillary? If you don't believe that I have a bridge to sell you. You only don't hear it now because Obama can't run again. And they were full of praise for Hillary when she could be used as a tool to beat Obama up with.

    One thing is for sure if Hillary wasn't the nominee we would not be looking at the implosion of the GOP. She knows how to fight back which makes a lot of Dems wring their hands because they don't want to "sully their hands" and play hardball.

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    Hillary is looking (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by MKS on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 04:55:13 PM EST
    unflappable.   She got through the second debate just fine.

    The look on her face when Trump was being asked if actually did what he bragged about was priceless.  Appalled.  Total disdain.

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    Now just imagine (none / 0) (#75)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 04:37:13 AM EST
    That Madame Sec and the DNC did not clear the field of all viable candidates.
    Imagine if the crazy ole Uncle Joe was actually in the race
    The Bern did not need 16 candidates running as The Donald did,
    All he needed was Uncle Joe Biden to enter the race
    And we would have a race comprised of The Donald and The Bern1
    Both Parties have substantial factions that are fed up with elitist insider politics and ar ewilling to overthrow the status quo.
    Madame Sec and the DNC took care of that problem by eliminating all opposition

    Hmmm  Wiki e mails...Was there a mole in the Biden camp...

    Another fellow left-leaning politician that gets a mention in the WikiLeaks "surprise" emails is Joe Biden. The message in question -- sent last October -- doesn't reveal the exact activities of sender Ron Klein, but it does seem to indicate that he had a hand in provoking a "Biden demise," and, as no surprise, made him unwelcome with that particular camp as a result.

    "Thanks for inviting me into the campaign, and for sticking with me during the Biden anxiety. You are a great friend and a great leader. It's been a little hard for me to play such a role in the Biden demise - and I am definitely dead to them -- but I'm glad to be on Team HRC, and glad that she had a great debate last night."



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    Trevor, you sound just like a (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 07:09:42 AM EST
    Troll.

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    No (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 06:48:15 PM EST
    Those are just facts, I am not making that stuff up.

    So, if you ignore it , it never actually happened?

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    Yep. Now, just imagine ... (none / 0) (#99)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 02:36:41 PM EST
    ... if his mother wanted her basement back.

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    More silly tinfoil conspiracies (none / 0) (#164)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 09:02:13 PM EST
    ... along with a lot of "imagining".

    Yawn.

    I like my politics based on facts and reality.  But your stuff always sounds like a cheesy, beach paperback.

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    That is Brock said. (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 01:53:34 PM EST
    He said that it would be a more conventional race if the GOP had nominated anyone else.

    And there's no telling if Rubio or any of the others have some of the same groping problems that Trump does.

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    David Brock (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 01:50:51 PM EST
    said they had as much stuff on the others as they had on Trump. He even said Trump was the GOP's strongest candidate.

    No, we would not be crying in our cereal because you are forgetting that Republicans are not going to vote for a minority which rules out Rubio and Bush since he's married to one. Kasich they could not stomach because he expanded Medicaid. Even today two Republican friends got in a fight over this. One saying the GOP is in the mess it's in because of Kasich.

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    kdog: "if Republicans nominated any other horse...Kasich, Lil Marco, Crazy Ted, even Benny The Blade, I think we'd be crying in our cereal on November 9th."

    ... to ask Bugs Bunny for directions, I think he'd have surely caught that pesky Roadrunner, too!

    Yours is an irrelevant and baseless speculation, given that all of the Republican pretenders you listed above were totally dominated and completely wiped out by Trump during the GOP primary season. It wasn't even close.

    That's like saying the Arizona Cardinals could've beaten the Denver Broncos in last season's Super Bowl. Sure, if only they hadn't been slaughtered by the Carolina Panthers in the preceding NFC title game.

    You should deal with the here and now, rather than continuing to offer silly digs at Mrs. Clinton with the whatever might've beens if only woulda, coulda, shoulda.

    Because guess what, kdog? It wouldn't, couldn't and didn't.

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    Kasich (none / 0) (#50)
    by pitachips on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 05:13:43 PM EST
    Would probably have won. I think Hillary would've beaten any of the others.

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    ... except in his own home state of Ohio -- and even then, it wasn't by very much at all. This isn't the NBA playoffs, where 50% of the teams make the postseason and even a team that's barely over .500 has a shot. If Kasich couldn't effectively compete in GOP primaries outside Ohio or even muster 100 delegates at the GOP convention, I'd say that any positive speculation about his prospects against Hillary Clinton in this year's general election is entirely presumptuous. How can that be based upon anything other than personal feeling and / or whishful thinking?

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    personal feeling/wishful thinking? (none / 0) (#120)
    by pitachips on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 08:39:36 PM EST
    There you go reading people's minds again :)

    For argument's sake, I base it on the following:

    1. Kasich's unfavorables are nowhere near Trump or Clinton's.  

    2. the GOP would have coalesced behind him in the same way that it did with Romney and McCain even though they also had a significant minority of the GOP that claimed they would never support them.  

    3. He would have received crossover Dem votes from long time Democrats who for one reason or another do not like Hillary as well as from Sanders supporters who are too young/stupid to know better or otherwise insulated from the consequences of their vote.  

    4. The media would be working overtime to tip the scales on Kasich's behalf. All you would hear about is how Kasich stood up to his party and expanded Medicaid for the poor etc and worked with Clinton to "balance the budget" in the 90s.

     

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    He wasn't even competitive in the GOP primary. He got his a$$ kicked from here to Sunday and back again.

    Ergo, any such speculation regarding Kasich's supposedly prospective chances in this year's general election couldn't possibly be more irrelevant, because he never had enough spark in his battery cells to even make it to this summer -- never mind next month.

    If Kasich is really all you're saying he's cracked up to be, then he would've won the Republican nomination. But he didn't.

    Therefore, at least from my perspective, belaboring a moot point serves no useful purpose, save for possibly soothing some people's bruised egos. Otherwise, it's like arguing that Nelson Rockefeller would've beaten LBJ in 1964, or that Ted Kennedy would've prevailed over Ronald Reagan in 1980. It's a parlor game.

    Aloha.

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    Political discussion? (5.00 / 2) (#139)
    by pitachips on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 08:53:08 AM EST
    I thought that was the purpose. I don't think we'll ever get single payer - does that mean we should never discuss it? If you don't see the purpose of discussing a particular issue you're under no obligation to participate.

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    You don't think (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 10:44:58 AM EST
    anybody actually listened to what he said then? That is what you seem to be saying and wow, democracy seems like a bad thing to you. Ronald Reagan was a Hollywood actor and nobody in the GOP made the same criticism towards him that they are making towards Trump.

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    Reagan Was a Two Term Govenor (none / 0) (#146)
    by RickyJim on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 12:21:03 PM EST
    and prior to that a union leader before running for POTUS.  In order to prevent another disaster, stemming from too much democracy, I think the Republicans in 2020 will emulate the Democrats by having Super Delegates as part of the nomination process.  

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    Let's be clear (5.00 / 2) (#155)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 01:46:56 PM EST
    He was president of SAG not a craft union so people will not be confused.

    The problem is the GOP base. Even if you had super delegates that picked say Jeb Bush for example you still would be losing simply because Republican voters can't stand the guy.

    The problem is not democracy. It's the GOP base. They have kind of self brainwashed themselves with their own news sources. The whole message machine has been feeding them bunk for a long, long time and here comes someone who is finally putting words to what they already believe. Trump is the symptom he's not the disease. The disease is the entire GOP and their message.

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    All the people I know that (none / 0) (#28)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 02:06:45 PM EST
    say they will vote for Trump either never saw The Apprentice or not fans of it.

    Perhaps we both have tapped into two anecdotal groups.

    Yours seem to be useful in calling all Trump voters dumb. Mine is useful in connecting the Tea Party, which was/is anti-government, to the embracing of Trump's claim that government has failed us.

    Of course there will be those, who have no real world experience with Tea Party members, who agree with both of us.

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    That's a specific question (none / 0) (#30)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 02:23:07 PM EST
    you ask all fellow Trump voters: whether or not they've seen The Apprentice?

    Do Tea Partiers, really expect the government to be literally "smaller", or just reconfigured?

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    60-yr. old female sisters (by adoption) (none / 0) (#55)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 08:18:35 PM EST
    are fervent Trump supporters and Tea Party persons.

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    By adoption (none / 0) (#60)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 08:33:37 PM EST
    lol

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    Is that a specific question (none / 0) (#35)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 02:27:55 PM EST
    you ask all fellow Trump voters: whether or not they've seen The Apprentice?

    Do Tea Partiers really expect the government to be literally "smaller", or just reconfigured to meet their needs as opposed to other people's needs?

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    i feel this makes sense (smile) (none / 0) (#57)
    by linea on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 08:32:13 PM EST
    when Sarah Palin appeared endorsing Trump I was suprised to learn that she had been active as the keynote speaker for Tea Party rallys over these years. but i do confess that i dont really understand what the Tea Party is (ideologically).

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    I said the same thing (none / 0) (#59)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 08:32:43 PM EST
    but Scott Walker was right on target when he dropped out of the race, fairly early in the process.

    But politicians and their ego...

    If there were only 2 other candidates, plus Cruz and Trump....well

    They did it to themselves

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    Observations from (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Nemi on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 07:13:08 AM EST
    attending a Trump rally:

    The evening was about fear of the media, anxiety about terrorists and people of color (Trump again spoke about African-American communities in apocalyptic terms), hatred of Hillary Clinton, and resentment toward elites and "snobs" who look down their nose at ordinary, hard-working Americans. Trump embodies their resentments and the crowd's reaction to him is so over-the-top, so adulatory and so unquestioning, that at times the passion of a Trump rally feels more sexual than political.

    [...]

    [The true believers] love his lack of political correctness; they believe he has the business acumen to turn the economy around; and they think he cares about them in his heart. He doesn't have to run for president, they said, he doesn't need it. "He's a regular guy," one woman told me, "who will keep us safer." And contrary to media descriptions of his supporters these were not prototypical white working-class, Rust Belt denizens. This was a solidly middle class crowd.

    [...]

    They parrot his talking points almost verbatim. When I asked about birtherism, I was immediately told, "Hillary did it first."

    [...]

    The entire evening was a troubling reminder that no matter what happens on Election Day, and no matter how badly Trump loses, the mania and cult-like following of his supporters [...] will not abate any time soon.



    I feel like this (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by CST on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 12:04:04 PM EST
    "And contrary to media descriptions of his supporters these were not prototypical white working-class, Rust Belt denizens. This was a solidly middle class crowd."

    Is just further evidence that it was never really about the economy for Trump voters.  It's just about hating those damn "others" - be it liberals, or immigrants, or people who don't agree with us.

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    what's the difference between (none / 0) (#54)
    by linea on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 08:09:44 PM EST
    working-class and middle class? aren't elevator repair technicians, gas and oil drill operators, and aircraft mechanics middle class?

    or is the difference an agument between mean vs median?


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    Middle class (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 08:34:39 PM EST
    Is rapidly disappearing

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    Three classes (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by CoralGables on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 11:26:17 PM EST
    the middle makes up 49.9%. Can't exactly label that as disappearing when it's far and away the biggest of the three.

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    Depends (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by FreakyBeaky on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 09:36:13 PM EST
    In the USA and Canada, we tend to think the working class should earn a middle-class wage. It wasn't always so. People who work construction or are contractors often are middle class, though laborers. People who mine coal, maybe not so much.

    It's confusing in a society that does not have much classism and prefers to think it doesn't (or at least shouldn't) have the classism it does have.

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    The martyr ploy is a transparent attempt... (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Jack E Lope on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 09:48:57 AM EST
    ...to get Bill Cosby's vote.

    Trump is doing really (none / 0) (#9)
    by MKS on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 10:19:44 AM EST
    well with African Americans.  Bill Cosby, Don King, etc.

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    Tyson, OJ, Iceberg Slim.. (none / 0) (#11)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 11:15:28 AM EST
    we have a local Republican state senator, Richard Funke, who was elected a couple of years ago strictly on the basis of being a popular sportscaster/reporter. Other than that, his main qualifications for office were a bachelor's degree in business with zero actual business experience, no background whatsoever in any kind of public service, or even any longterm involvement in worthy cause celebrity spokesperson/volunteer work. As far as ever actually committing his thoughts to print is concerned, the man has never produced evidence he can write a coherent grocery shopping list. He never even hosted the kind of rabble rousing talk radio show that generally leads conservatives to believe the host is qualified to lead the most powerful nation in the world in times of war and peace..

    And yet the local basket of deplorables here saw no reason not to elect the man to the United States Senate, as if the position and "most popular guy" in high school meant exactly the same thing.

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    Where is "local?" (none / 0) (#12)
    by MKS on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 11:18:47 AM EST
    No need for GPS coordinates.

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    Rochester, NY (none / 0) (#13)
    by jondee on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 11:31:24 AM EST
    Ah, memories of (none / 0) (#68)
    by MKS on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 09:33:53 PM EST
    the "lake effect" when I lived in Youngstown.

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    Now you why I'm grouchy.. (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by jondee on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 07:16:55 AM EST
    though we have the most beautiful Octobers here.

    As Laura Nyro said, it's all red, yellow, gold, sassafras and moonshine. Perfect.

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    The birds flying South (none / 0) (#80)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 07:23:52 AM EST
    Fall was a wonderful, distinct season.  

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    Upstate NY is gorgeous in autumn. (none / 0) (#130)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 11:47:59 PM EST
    When we were up in Albany and the Lake Champlain area in the fall of 2011, the colors on display were simply breathtaking. I can see why this might be your favorite time of the year.

    In California, the leaves generally don't start to turn until very late in the season, around Thanksgiving and the first week of December. And while it can be impressive, the fall colors aren't nearly as vivid and ostentatious.

    Aloha.

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    The trees here are all raging against (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 05:39:13 AM EST
    the dying of the light ;-).

    I live across the the street from the old St Patrick's civil war cemetary, which has gone wild and overgrown since they removed the graves (the kids like to say they just moved the stones) to another locale back in the thirties. The hill is covered with two and three hundred year old deciduous hardwoods that are now in their multi-colored cathedral incarnation, and the big, pileated woodpeckers are calling back and forth in the tree tops like kookaburra birds..

    I couldn't think of a better natural tonic for the nausea-inducing Trump's of the world.

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    In the word of Don Trumpo, a 'treemendous' (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 09:41:23 AM EST
    use of Dylan Thomas.

    Compared to your pileated woodpeckers, ours are small.  Like Trump, they have brightly colored heads but tiny ideas, tiny talons, and probably, tiny pec*ers.

    Rage, Rage against the dying of the Right...


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    lol (5.00 / 2) (#171)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 10:44:25 AM EST
    Well played, sir.

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    I remember recently (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by CST on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 02:30:12 PM EST
    talking to my dad about how as a young woman sexual harassment (especially street harassment) is rampant between the ages of 13-19 when it starts to slow down.  After 25 it pretty much trickles to a stop.  That 14 year old that Donald told he would be dating soon - standard fare.

    And as a young woman it's just something you accept, because what can you really do?  So as a teenager you just get used to the idea that this is what life is.

    He was pretty horrified.  He has three grown daughters and really just had no idea.  So when he called me the other day to tell me it was "over" for Trump because of this audio I just laughed - because I thought to myself "how is any of this news".  Apparently I was wrong - but my sister thought the exact same thing.  When you spend your youth harassed by creeps all the time you start to recognize the type, and Trump has always been the type.  I frankly find it strange that this has become such a campaign issue because it was something I recognized about him from his persona before he ever ran for president and I knew he was a fascist racist to boot.  But I guess that's not the case for everyone.

    Then I think about how honestly that skill of recognizing is sad in a way, and the acceptance that this is just something that young women have to accept gets less and less reasonable to me the more I think about it.

    That's the thing about "locker room talk".  Maybe it is common (although it's not common for men to say, it is common for women to hear - because the men who say things like that don't shut up about it).  That doesn't make it okay.  That makes those people creeps.

    Trump is a mirror of this society (5.00 / 2) (#163)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 07:04:04 PM EST
    Much like police brutality... (none / 0) (#38)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 03:05:38 PM EST
    sexual harassment has really come to light with the advent of the camera phone.  

    One of the pros of the pros & cons of one nation on video...for some people, they just can't believe it until they see it/hear it.  And even then, some still refuse to believe because it's too damn hard to burst their own oblivious bubble of a worldview.

    I know exactly what you mean about The Creeper, and it is sad that it's a survival skill that must be learned at such a young age by the ladies....to be able to spot one and keep a wide berth.  For young men at Catholic School, you kind of learn it too...don't be in the locker room alone when Brother So&So is around.

    I do think it's slowly but surely getting better though...and that starts with awareness.  So thanks for that Donald...you volunteered to be the poster boy for The Creeper public awareness campaign.

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    Strange that none of these women (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 03:35:46 PM EST
    came forward until 3 weeks before the election. Very convenient and an excellent way to redirect the media away from the Wikileaks emails.

    Now I note Peter G's theory, but at the same time I wonder why the "first" woman didn't come forward 10 years ago, or at least a year ago. I mean Trump's face has been in the public arena for years and years.

    So, do I claim that Ms Leeds, for example, is lying?

    No. But when someone tells me a story I start asking questions using my own knowledge of the subject. For example. I have over 3 million actual flight miles on United, Delta plus a bit of Braniff, and American and a long list of the others. I have been upgraded from Coach to  First lots and lots of times, but I cannot remember ever being moved from Coach to First after the doors were closed.

    Then there is the matter of the arm rests. I have never been on a domestic flight in First Class where the center arm rests flip up.

    Given that Ms Leeds' untimely flight was 30 years ago, and supposedly on Braniff I am confused in two ways.

    First, Braniff International went out of business in 1982. It was relaunched in '84  with only 1 class of service.

    All seats on the planes were leather and only one class of service was offered: there was no business or first class section.

    So there could be no upgrade.

    If it was prior to 1982 it would have to have been on a 727 because that was all Braniff was flying on domestic routes.

    Of course all of this could be explained by memory lapse and confusion after 30 years or so.

    Leeds said the assault continued for several minutes, though, as she recalls, neither she nor Trump ever said anything.

    "I don't recall saying no, I don't recall saying stop," she said. "I don't recall saying anything."

    snip

    Leeds said she eventually stood up and walked back to her initial seat in coach, where she remained for the rest of the flight.

    And then we have this:

    "Obviously, if I had any idea this would have created such an uproar," she said, "I might have had second thoughts about writing the Times."

    Really>

    I mean, who knew there was a hotly contested election going on?


    You should pray Jim that I (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 05:04:06 PM EST
    Never grab you by the balls and give you a taste of your own nasty medicine.

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    You guys nominated Trump. (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 08:03:05 PM EST
    Now, you own him.

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    i feel the republican base (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by linea on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 08:47:35 PM EST
    elected the only republican candidate who espoused a nativist and nationalist anti-globalist and anti-imigration platform.

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    umm... (none / 0) (#72)
    by linea on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 11:53:30 PM EST
    not really anti-immigrant per se...

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    That's true (5.00 / 5) (#88)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 10:35:06 AM EST
    So far as I know, he has had nothing to say against immigration by Norwegian colorists.

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    I believe it (none / 0) (#182)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 06:52:05 PM EST
    Is illegal immigration he rails against.

    The Donald has no qualms with those who enter the country legally

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    Does it ever get tiring? (none / 0) (#184)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 07:01:34 PM EST
    Being wrong all the time?

    Trump Wants Big Changes to Legal
    Immigration, Too -- How Big?

    Mr. Trump's hard-line positions on undocumented immigrants have overshadowed his campaign's proposal of the most significant restrictions on legal immigration in the United States in nearly a century.


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    Lol (none / 0) (#186)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 07:37:40 PM EST
    Nah, the main thrusts of the Trump policy are stop illegal immigration. Enforce the laws we already have on the books

    That article is just noise

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    "Just noise" - heh (none / 0) (#188)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 07:47:37 PM EST
    The Donald has no qualms with those who enter the country legally.

    Is that what you call it when yet another of your claims is proven false?

    That is funny.

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    Coulter did say in her new book (none / 0) (#189)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 10:11:34 PM EST
    That Trump can perform abortions in the White House as long as he doesn't lose that Immigration policy :)

    I didn't want to watch her on Bill Maher, and I didn't when I played the recording. I only watched her when "the boys" in the house watched her, so it doesn't count. Boys will be boys, and I'm just standing here

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    All he'll ever own up to (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by jondee on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 07:39:57 AM EST
    is that there was a massive liberal-media, "DC insider" conspiracy to keep Trump from ever being elected. The buck stops there.

    So be prepared to listen to that broken record for the next year or so.

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    Did you ever notice how ... (5.00 / 4) (#69)
    by Yman on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 10:08:02 PM EST
    Strange that none of these women came forward until 3 weeks before the election. Very convenient and an excellent way to redirect the media away from the Wikileaks emails.

     Now I note Peter G's theory, but at the same time I wonder why the "first" woman didn't come forward 10 years ago, or at least a year ago. I mean Trump's face has been in the public arena for years and years.

    So, do I claim that Ms Leeds, for example, is lying?

    ... when someone has no evidence but wants to make a specious smear, they feel that adding a question mark at the end makes it appear to be less of a silly smear?

    It doesn't.

    Then there is the matter of the arm rests. I have never been on a domestic flight in First Class where the center arm rests flip up.

    Good for you.  Is that supposed to mean something?  I'm guessing you've also never been on a domestic flight in First Class where someone tried to put their hand up your skirt.  Not to mention that silly, armrest theory has already been debunked.


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    I don't think this proves the case (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Peter G on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 10:19:28 PM EST
    conclusively one way or the other, Yman, but your link regarding "debunking" the armrest rebuttal point states that the large leather armrest in Braniff's First Class could be "removed" (by pulling it entirely up and out), not that it could be "moved" (i.e., flipped up on a hinge, as most armrests do today).

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    Nope - not conclusive (5.00 / 3) (#71)
    by Yman on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 10:35:08 PM EST
    ... but it debunks the Trump campaign's claim that's been circulating all day in winger circles - that the armrests were fixed and couldn't be moved.

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    Well, if the arm rest defense (5.00 / 4) (#94)
    by KeysDan on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 01:40:59 PM EST
    is not persuasive, maybe you will be impressed by Trump's argument in the Palm Beach sexual assault matter: ... just look at her.  The Fiorina counter-attack, when she was too ugly to be president. Not a priority... Too ugly to be sexually assaulted certainly exonerates Trump, believe me.

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    I don't know (1.00 / 1) (#74)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 04:29:15 AM EST
    There is this

    http://tinyurl.com/gp57gac

    "I have only met this accuser once and frankly cannot imagine why she is seeking to make out that Trump made sexual advances on her. Not only did he not do so (and I was present at all times) but it was she that was the one being flirtatious," Anthony Gilberthorpe said in a note provided to The Post by the Trump campaign.


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    Anthony Gilberthorpe? (5.00 / 5) (#89)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 10:40:53 AM EST
    Seriously? That's your credible debunker? A British "conservative activist" with an admitted (or professed) record of pimping boys?

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    Behold, Anthony Gilberthorpe: (5.00 / 3) (#102)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 03:44:15 PM EST
    LINK. And you wonder why nobody here takes you seriously.

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    I can't tell ... (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 11:19:17 AM EST
    ... if you're being serious or making a joke.

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    Hmmmmm (none / 0) (#85)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 09:29:25 AM EST
    Removable is not the same as flipping up. And I would think that the Flight Attendant or Ms Leeds would have expressed, at the least, curiosity, when Trump pulled the arm rest loose and tucked it in the overhead bin.

    And from your link:

    "Braniff, according to 1979 timetables reviewed by CNN, operated flights to New York from Dallas with a Boeing 727, which has a fuselage shape identical to that of the 707."

    Boeing 707 Note  the 2 engines under each wing.

    And just below are pictures of a Boeing 727.

    Boeng 727. Note the three engines, one on the tail.

    So much for the reporter's efforts to support Ms Leeds claims.

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    Hmmmmm .... (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 11:21:23 AM EST
    And I would think that the Flight Attendant or Ms Leeds would have expressed, at the least, curiosity, when Trump pulled the arm rest loose and tucked it in the overhead bin.

    Would you?  You should let someone know who cares about what you "think".

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    Yman, I doubt Trump would (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by fishcamp on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 12:18:13 PM EST
    have removed the arm rest, he would have had the stewardess do it.  He's a star don'tcha know.

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    The creep is toast, Jim (none / 0) (#86)
    by jondee on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 09:37:16 AM EST
    the dirty hippies and enviro-whackos won again.

    In the past, in a situation like this, any self-respecting dinosaur would find a nice warm tar pit and fall into it.

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    Not so sure about that (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 10:02:33 AM EST
    We have the La Brea Tar Pits here in LA.  I'd rather not....not here in our own backyard.

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    It's disconcerting for these folks (none / 0) (#93)
    by jondee on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 01:22:04 PM EST
    now that Obama's nefarious plot to get revenge for American colonialism is in it's final stages..

    All that's left now is for Dinesh D'Souza to commit whatever the Indian version of seppuku is, rather than be taken alive.

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    Well, yay (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 02:19:00 PM EST
    for your courts in NY who sent him to psychological examination and determined the guy has some major problems.

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    "Tucked it in the overhead bin" (none / 0) (#148)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 12:30:25 PM EST
    Just making $hit up again - as usual.

    I guess when you have no evidence,  just make your own,  huh, Jim?

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    How would you feel (none / 0) (#41)
    by CST on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 03:39:55 PM EST
    If he told your 14 year old granddaughter that he'd be dating her soon?

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    In a bizarre twist, (none / 0) (#45)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 04:31:46 PM EST
    Trump had had some conflicts with a homeowner who's home is adjacent to Trump's SoCal Palos Verdes golf course, and that woman has the same name and approximate age as one of his accusers, Jessica Leeds.

    However, here is photo of the golf course Jessica Leeds, definitely not the same woman as the accuser Jessica Leeds.

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    Oh (none / 0) (#42)
    by CST on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 03:45:58 PM EST
    And he's been sued before.  Many times.

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    What I want to know (none / 0) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 03:58:09 PM EST
    is why didn't the GOP do something? Billy Bush was blabbing all over creation about the tape and no one in the GOP thought to use it to take him out during the primaries? Nobody even talked about how many times he had been sued for harassment?


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    No (none / 0) (#62)
    by TrevorBolder on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 08:40:41 PM EST
    Billy Bush was blabbing all over creation about the tape and no one in the GOP thought to use it to take him out during the primaries?

    To who??

    When?

    Where?

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    Trevor, get off Billy Bush (none / 0) (#67)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 09:30:17 PM EST
    already, you are blogclogging and this thread is not about him. It's about Trump and the election.

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#73)
    by TrevorBolder on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 04:25:44 AM EST
    But I did not bring up Billy Bush

    Was just responding to the comment claiming that Billy Bush made all of his claims during the primary season,

    Which I had been totally unaware of, and was just looking for a link to verify that

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    ... with the hapless Billy Bush, next up as Excuse No. MCMLIV among the myriad of reasons offered by the far right as to why Trump will lose this election, is the case of the mysterious Carlos Slim, whose name sounds like a character straight out of a James Ellroy novel.

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    My son attempting to lighten the mood says (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 05:07:31 PM EST
    Remember the olden days when America was great and Mitt Romney ran? And the worst thing he said about people was that the poor ones were lazy? And the worst thing he did to women was put them in binders? He was a God!

    Another watershed? Hahahaha (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Towanda on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 05:27:06 PM EST
    Yes, Jeralyn, we women of a certain age have been told that we have had so many watersheds for women, so many turning points for progress. . . .

    That's what was said a quarter of a century ago, with the public conversation on the Thomas hearings.  Ask Anita Hill how well that went.  And that was followed by the "Year of the Woman," we were told, for progress for women in politics. . . .

    And there were the watersheds for women in 1984, and 1970, and 1957, too.

    And before us, there were the watersheds for women in 1920, and 1890, and 1869, and 1848. . . .

    Hmmm, I wonder how many journos and others calling this a watershed for women know what those years even mean in women's history?  in AMERICAN history, as the history of more than half of all Americans then and since.  

    Sigh.  We just keep treading water.

    Trump campaign is remnding me all too (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 08:21:23 PM EST
    well of the Sen. Jud. Comm.'s treatment of Anita Hill.

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    The changing role of (none / 0) (#81)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 07:30:10 AM EST
    women has been a big factor in the insecurity of white males....leading to Trump.

    But the amount of change is really something to behold.   Look at any movie from the 1960s and how women characters are depicted.  It was a different world.

    But, I would be hard pressed to come out with any major "watershed" event were I asked.  I could talk about MLK's speech and other things regarding Civil Rights.  Perhaps just lack of education.  But the change does seem more gradual and punctuated by defeats such as the failure to ratify the ERA.

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    The odds of Trump winning (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 05:39:07 PM EST
    are about the same as Clinton winning by 200 electoral votes. If forced to choose, I'll take Clinton by 200 Alex.

    Back to reality, Clinton by more than 150+ electoral votes is looking like a sure thing.

    One comment was deleted (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 09:28:17 PM EST
    for calling Trump a potentially libelous bad word. No name calling here. And please state your opinions as such, not fact. E.G. Trump is a (extremely derogatory pronoun) is not acceptable. Your opinion, "I think he acts like a.." or "I happen to believe X's story" is ok.  Look, the man likes to sue and has sued bloggers -- recently. I don't intend to be one of them. I don't have a legal department on staff to defend TalkLeft. And you all know I don't have time to read all your comments. If one looks potentially libelous to me, it's out of here and the commenter is going into time out. And if any of you see such a comment I missed, please email it to me or do a "site violator" notice in response to it.  thanks.

    And I thought (none / 0) (#82)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 07:31:39 AM EST
    there was some kind of privilege so to speak for those who host blogs.....

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    You are probably thinking (none / 0) (#91)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 12:20:43 PM EST
    of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act's protections for Internet Service Providers. I don't believe it extends to blog hosts. On the other hand, given the garbage that dominates the comment sections of most media sites and the larger blogs, it cannot be that liability is easy to establish against the host. Perhaps J could elaborate on how that works.

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    I don't think Markos (none / 0) (#95)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 01:51:59 PM EST
    has been sued....And there is plenty there.

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    47 U.S.C. 230 (none / 0) (#96)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 01:59:41 PM EST
    Called the Communication Decency Act, provides in part as follows:

    (c)  Protection for "Good Samaritan" blocking and screening of offensive material  
    (1)  Treatment of publisher or speaker  

    No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

    Link

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    Interesting article (none / 0) (#97)
    by MKS on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 02:10:22 PM EST
    on Communications Decency Act and blog hosts:

    Link

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#92)
    by FlJoe on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 12:27:31 PM EST
    J

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    He said (5.00 / 3) (#115)
    by Repack Rider on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 06:16:22 PM EST
    ...that he liked to grope and kiss women without permission and that he got away with it because he was a star.  IOW, he was describing an experience, not stating a "hypothetical."

    She and she and she (etc.) said that he kissed her and groped her without her permission, and that they were afraid to come forward because he was a star.

    Who you gonna believe, him and her and her and her and her (etc.), since they all agree?

    Exactly. Why is he challenging the credibility (5.00 / 2) (#119)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 08:21:56 PM EST
    of all these people who are only corroborating his own statements? It makes no sense ....

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    Another Far Right crackpot idea (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by Peter G on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 08:20:33 PM EST
    makes its way from Internet conspiracy site into Tr*mp's campaign speech in less than a week. Result? The "drug test" challenge. When I first heard of it, I thought it had to be more of his pattern of projection, but now I really don't think so.

    Okay...Really? (5.00 / 3) (#125)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 10:30:02 PM EST
    A liberal blogger put up a Media Matters video about CNN Trump apologists. I always figured these people worked for his campaign and at least came from the passion of that position. NOPE. They are paid by CNN to present a Trumpian view. They say CRAZY things for a CNN paycheck, not even a Trump paycheck. Everyone's on the CNN dole? Everything's basically staged? I knew that issues were staged, but even those championing issues is staged?

    Media Matters

    They are real life Trump supporters. (none / 0) (#126)
    by caseyOR on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 11:00:31 PM EST
    Lewandowski was Trump's campaign manager, the one before Manafort,  and was paid by the Trump campaign through last month I think.

    CNN is, indeed, paying them to represent the Trump point of view. But nothing is staged. Those Trumpers are just crazy. They drive other panelists crazy. In the aftermath of the Access Hollywood tape the discussion between Trumper Scottie Nell Hughes got into a nasty little spat with Republican activist and Trump hater Ana Navarro. Navarro was incensed by Trump's comments and was not backing down. Hughes was quite miffed. It was interesting TV.

    So, yes, CNN pays them, but they got hired because they really are full-blown Trumpers.

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    Come on Casey (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 11:02:46 PM EST
    Sorry, but their paycheck depends on being inflammatory or they will be replaced by someone jaw dropping. BS

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    You think CNN's pot stirring is bad? (1.00 / 1) (#142)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 09:35:47 AM EST
    You should see the Hillary lovers on FNC.

    And then there's MSNBC....

    lol

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    He's got his Twitter back (5.00 / 2) (#137)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 06:15:36 AM EST
    Whoop whoop, Conway must be on her way out.

    And another attacker (1.00 / 1) (#105)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 04:08:00 PM EST
    bites the dust.

    Donald Trump's former Mar-a-Lago Butler backed up the Republican nominee for president in denying the billionaire groped a reporter from People magazine.

    "No, that never happened. Come on, that's just bull crap," said Anthony "Tony" Senecal.

    Link

    Ha (5.00 / 6) (#106)
    by CoralGables on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 04:18:26 PM EST
    You're funny.

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    I don't understand CoralGables... (5.00 / 4) (#109)
    by vml68 on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 04:28:06 PM EST
    Tr*mp's butler Anthony Senecal's seems like such a stand-up guy!  /s

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    A very loyal butler it seems :) (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by Nemi on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 05:25:40 PM EST
    Mr. Senecal knows how to stroke [Mr. Trump's] ego and lift his spirits, like the time years ago he received an urgent warning from Mr. Trump's soon-to-land plane that the mogul was in a sour mood. Mr. Senecal quickly hired a bugler to play "Hail to the Chief" as Mr. Trump stepped out of his limousine to enter Mar-a-Lago.

    [...]

    Mr. Trump would emerge hours later, in khakis, a white golf shirt and baseball cap. If the cap was white, the staff noticed, the boss was in a good mood. If it was red, it was best to stay away.

    [...]

    He recalled how Mr. Trump's father, Fred C. Trump, once stepped out of his limo on the club's gravel driveway and remarked to Mr. Senecal, "Somebody better get that coin." The butler went on his hands and knees and after a few minutes found a crusty penny.

    [...]

    Mr. Senecal greeted guests at the door, including Hillary Clinton. (In the interview, he offered a profane description for Mrs. Clinton, the front-runner in the Democratic presidential race.)

    [...]

    Mr. Senecal's admiration for his longtime boss seems to know few limits. On March 6, as Mr. Trump made his way through the living room on his way to the golf course, Mr. Senecal called out "All rise!" to the club members and staff. They rose.



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    Exactly (none / 0) (#114)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 06:08:35 PM EST
    What we have is four he said/she said's.

    You are going to believe who you want to believe.

    Trump supporters will believe who they want to believe.

    On Trump's side we have an accuser who misspoke about the airplane, the seat, and didn't say anything for 30 years or so and an eyewitness who said it never happened.

    And now we have another who wrote a glowing article, never said a word for years and is disputed by an eye witness.

    And we have a third who claims Trump groped at a concert that never happened.

    Link

    Then there was Bush who had a DWI that was "unknown" until a few days before the election.

    And the fake claim of McCain's affair...the NYT just paid that one off.

    Funny how these things never get brought up until the last minute.


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    Actually, Jim, there are 11 women ... (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 06:58:07 PM EST
    ... who've thus far stepped forward to accuse Trump of lewd conduct and unwanted advances, not just four. Further, there's "Jane Doe," who claims in a current civil lawsuit that Trump raped her when she was 13 years old. (The initial hearing in that case is scheduled for December 2016.) And let's not forget Ivana Trump, who swore under oath in deposition during her 1992 divorce proceedings that her ex-husband forced himself sexually upon her in 1989.

    Dubya's DUI and McCain's own extracurricular follies have nothing to do with this issue.

    Aloha.

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    20 total (5.00 / 2) (#124)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 10:05:51 PM EST
    ;-D

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    No worries (none / 0) (#136)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 05:48:54 AM EST
    For some of us this is a march of horror. It's very clarifying for me. I've never felt good about where I live and how dysfunctional it is. I can completely let go of guilt now that I should have found a way to make peace with the culture here. I did my best to survive living here, but I don't ever have to like "these people". It would be self destructive to do so.

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    I consider it (5.00 / 2) (#138)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 07:30:31 AM EST
    good practice for tolerance. If only they weren't so rude and obnoxious and self righteous it would make it easier. You know, you don't have to tell everybody how you feel and how you think about any given subject but the "might makes right" gene is strong in the south.

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    It's too crazy where I am (none / 0) (#140)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 09:23:22 AM EST
    I was born in El Paso County in Colorado. Votes mostly Conservative, I have a healthy level of tolerance.

    Jeff Sessions is on the trail with Trump now claiming the election is rigged. I just can't. Living here is not a practice in tolerance, it's a practice in surviving in the midst of utter insanity.

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    re: you don't have to tell everybody how you feel (none / 0) (#150)
    by linea on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 12:45:38 PM EST
    i agree with this.

    it's best to agree with people or tell then you dont follow politics or say, "i dont know about such things" and even better if you simply smile and nod and dont say anything. people want to be listened to, they want to feel their opinions matter, they arent telling you how they feel to have an argument. people like you better when you dont go out of your way to disagree with them.

    ranting about politics is what the internet is for. i would never argue politics in person... except i do roll-eyes at libertarians because utopianists are ridiculous. LoL 👀💥

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    Hmmm, Guess I need a score card (none / 0) (#123)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 09:59:05 PM EST
    perhaps the DNC with send an email to Obama  with one attached and Wikileaks, working at the behest of Trump's main bud, Putin, will bust into their server and give it too us... lol

    In the meantime we have the cousin of number ??? saying that the attacker loved Trump until he wouldn't visit her restaurant.

    As for McCain and W the point is how the Demos do business.

    When Bubba was up to his "what is is" it was all off limits....now it is being used to shield Hillary from having to address the Wikileaks info.

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    Trump is toast, Jim. (none / 0) (#134)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 11:58:26 PM EST
    It doesn't matter if you and others will continue to support him, come Hell or high water. His scandals have effectively capped his support at 35-40%.

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    I was greeted this AM (none / 0) (#141)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 09:31:48 AM EST
    by the news that the deal according to WaPost poll is Trump down 4....

    Only 4 after all the claims????

    Wow..

    BTW... can you tell me the prosecutor's name in the rape case Trump is being sued over??

    Oh, there's no charges??

    Imagine that.

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    im inclined to feel (none / 0) (#147)
    by linea on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 12:24:28 PM EST
    that letting one's mind run riot over the victimization of young girls by Epstein and his business associates - including donald trump and bill clinton - isnt the half of what happened.

    about the 4 points, national polls dont matter (smile). i dont mean to sound harsh but trump never had the states to win the electoral college. he never make the pivot to "presidential" and he kept muddling the Nationalist platform that was put together for him. i do realize he won the primary because the Globalist Libertarian Utopianists are out of step with the republican base but trump was was a poor choice to carry that torch for obvious reasons. might it have worked with one of his sons perhaps? i dont know.

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    The issue at hand is (none / 0) (#152)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 01:11:29 PM EST
    not simple.

    One one hand we have the Democratic party backing a candidate that was instrumental in setting Obama's failed foreign policy.

    OTOH the Republicans have, very reluctantly, nominated a man who clearly points out that the economy is flat and we're loosing jobs to countries we have made lousy trade deals with.

    The supposed recovery is fake and exists only because of free money for Wall Street. Even a hint of Fed rates increasing puts the markets into a spin.

    Based on the attacks on Trump and the support of the media for Hillary she should be 12 up at least.

    The fat lady has sung. In fact, she hasn't even came on stage.

     

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    You've been pushing this jobs (none / 0) (#154)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 01:31:59 PM EST
    myth for months. It is a lie. It is false. I live in south central PA where help wanted and now hiring signs are everywhere. Stop with the lie already.

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    Growth is at 1% (none / 0) (#157)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 02:37:03 PM EST
    Job participation is at Jimmy Carter levels...

    The U6 is at 9.7%...

    Companies are closing and moving...

    That's national.

    Back in the late 70's/early 80's the oil patch was booming.

    Didn't help the rest of us then just as PA doesn't now.

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    The "rest of US"??? (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 03:15:28 PM EST
    Job participation is at Jimmy Carter levels...
    The U6 is at 9.7%...

    What is this "us" you speak of?  You and other retirees are part of the reason the participation rate is lower than it has been historically - an aging populace that doesn't work.

    Yet the U6 rate isn't the measurement of unemployment we use, but it sounds worse, so you like to use it.  Of course, the U6 level is declining and presently where it was during much of your boy GW's tenure.  Actually, when George left office, it was much higher and rocketing upward.

    Companies are closing and moving...

    That's national.

    wow.  That's amazing.  Or completely silly, since it happens every, single year, while other companies are also opening and moving in.

    Back in the late 70's/early 80's the oil patch was booming.

    Didn't help the rest of us then just as PA doesn't now.

    Yet the unemployment rate has been declining while the participation rate has been increasing, both of which are far better than when your boy GW left office and when Obama took over his mess.

    ... and as I said before, unless you're coming out of retirement, you're not part of "us".

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    Really? (none / 0) (#169)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 08:45:17 AM EST
    Yet the U6 rate isn't the measurement of unemployment we use,

    Well, by golly let them eat cake.

    And if you want to review what caused the collapse.... here it is.

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    Yep - the U3 is the rate we use (none / 0) (#172)
    by Yman on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 11:26:05 AM EST
    ... but you're welcome to eat whatever you want.

    BTW - Linking to wingnut blogs that post racist photos of Obama as an African witch doctor and the White House with watermelons on the lawn is not going to persuade anyone except but fellow wingnuts.

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    Really? (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 12:28:10 PM EST
    "Barney Franks" and Fannie Mae: straight from Page One of the deflect-and-deny-all-conservative-responsibility playbook/script for simpletons and pre-schoolers..

    Regurgitating that Fox-swill over and over and over again doesn't make it true, Jim.

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    I had no idea that the New York Times (none / 0) (#177)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 08:01:42 PM EST
    was carrying the water for such trash.

    Try reading before commenting. lol

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    Probably because they're not (none / 0) (#178)
    by Yman on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 10:38:05 PM EST
    I had no idea that the New York Times was carrying the water for such trash.

    They're not.  Simply citing a NYT piece before wandering into Wingnutia doesn't mean the NYT is "carrying your water".  The NYT piece doesn't say what you go on to say in your silly blog piece.  They also don't post r@cist pictures of Obama or watermelons on the front lawn of the White House.

    Go figure.

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    This metaphor has jumped the shark (none / 0) (#161)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 04:20:05 PM EST
    The fat lady has sung. In fact, she hasn't even came on stage.

    Straight from the Sarah Palin book of butchered metaphors.

    Paraphrasing Inigo Montoya (look him up) "You keep using that [expression].  I do not think it means what you think it means."

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    The fat lady hasn't shown up yet (none / 0) (#167)
    by jondee on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 05:13:51 AM EST
    because she's still shoehorned into a flimsy lawn chair at a Tea Party rally in Monkey's Elbow, South Carolina.

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    I don't think it's just a pet peeve of my own (none / 0) (#153)
    by Peter G on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 01:15:48 PM EST
    that I'm expressing, Linea, when I point out that "feel" is not a synonym for "think" or "believe." Choosing that word (as you so often do) suggests that your opinion is coming from a base of emotion rather than of fact or reason. Somehow, I don't think that is what you really mean.
      That said, Jeffrey Epstein apparently exploited his wealth to abuse a number of underage women sexually. He also managed to surround himself with a remarkable number and variety of powerful men, which seems to have worked to his advantage when he got caught for his pattern of sex crimes. It's a leap to think those men knew what Epstein was doing, and a bigger leap to believe they were involved in his sexual activities. I, for one, remain extremely skeptical of the latter, at the very least.

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    thank you (none / 0) (#156)
    by linea on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 01:59:38 PM EST
    i tend to write how i talk when im posting informally.

    i do frequently look up words. my reference says that feel as a verb is "to hold an opinion." but i will most certainly keep your feedback in mind.

    i do feel (sorry) that most people here are posting their feelings while incorrectly framing those feelings as reasoned analysis. dont you?

    about donald trump and bill clinton (et alia), i didnt take a leap or a bigger leap. it's an insinuation that has been all over the news especially the UK tabloid press.

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    Everyone's innocent until proved otherwise. (none / 0) (#159)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 02:50:39 PM EST
    That said, there are no further revelations about Trump which are going to surprise me anymore. I'm perfectly content to let the court try to untangle his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and the female plaintiff in this case, if any.

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    This just in (none / 0) (#175)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 01:50:23 PM EST
    Trump up 4  in Ohio.

    Hillary up 1 in NC.

    There's a reason you play the game.

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    No idea what you mean by that (none / 0) (#176)
    by Yman on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 02:03:11 PM EST
    But you may want to look at more than just the single poll that's most favorable to your candidate,  or you're going to be even more disappointed on Nov. 9.

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    It's 10, not 4 (none / 0) (#151)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 12:48:57 PM EST
    Not including the unnamed plaintiffs in the NY lawsuit, or the half dozen + (including teenagers) who were "inspected" by Trump while dressing during pageants.  All of which are conduct of the specific type that Trump previously said he engaged in.

    10+ ... and counting.

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    Hahahahahahahahaaaaa.... (5.00 / 4) (#149)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 16, 2016 at 12:37:57 PM EST
    Did you really just cite Trump's butler for your silly claim?  The same wacko who called for Obama and Hillary to be killed?

    You're seriously funny when you're not trying to be funny.

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    i didnt read the People article (none / 0) (#110)
    by linea on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 04:47:21 PM EST
    but from reading Melania's lawsuit it sounds perhaps part of the story may have been fictionalized.

    but i feel the meme has stuck. which boorish behavior is true and which is exagerated? i dont know if it matters at this point. he cant win the election anyway (based on current state-by-state polling).

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    There is no lawsuit (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by CoralGables on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 05:14:25 PM EST
    WAPO breaks interview with another woman (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 12:23:39 PM EST
    She's almost crying at one point in the interview. There was a friend with her, not sure if friend is available for corroboration outside out of WAPO editorial staff.

    Another woman will speak at 2:30 (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 12:28:34 PM EST
    From California. She is being represented by Gloria Allred

    We are witnessing the phenomenon known (5.00 / 6) (#20)
    by Peter G on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 12:50:43 PM EST
    to sex offender therapists and criminologists who study sex crimes as an "index cluster." Once the perpetrator is first arrested or publicly named, other victims who were afraid to come forward will do so, often many of them. Many more victims, it seems, are unwilling to go public first than are unwilling to go public at all.

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    Just as a human being that makes (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 01:24:55 PM EST
    so much sense to me. I know I would be very hesitant to be alone out there in the spotlight. Terrified in fact. But as more came forward and I could get more lost in a crowd I would have little hesitation.

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    Ruffian, I just mentioned this very thing (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 11:32:05 AM EST
    to the lawyer at the gym, and he replied, yes, but 30 years?  He then did say Trump is probably guilty of some of the charges.  I then asked about the reports of Trump walking into contestants changing rooms, while they were semi dressed, or undressed.  He replied that Trump undoubtedly did that.  He's quite embarrassed about the Republican candidate.  Not wanting to pi$$ him off again,  I left the, what are responsible people, like you, planning to do, in the air.  I prefer to learn from him

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    If I have understood what I have (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by caseyOR on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 02:57:42 PM EST
    read, what pushed the women to go public was when Anderson Cooper, at the second debate, asked Trump very pointedly if he had ever sexually assaulted women, and Trump said no, never.

    The women knew Trump was lying, and did not want him to get away with it.

    As far as I know, none of these women is pressing charges against Trump or demanding money from Trump. They are publicly calling out a liar.

    So, it matters not one whit how long ago these assaults occurred.m

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    If my memory serves (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by CoralGables on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 04:21:12 PM EST
    while Trump was filibustering the question, Cooper actually asked Trump 2 more times until Trump blurted out "Never". And that was what set the stage for the current accusations. None of which come as a surprise to anyone.

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    To further clarify the vocabulary (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by Peter G on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 02:24:04 PM EST
    the word "index" in this context refers to the first file that authorities create on the offender, typically an arrest, by which the case is indexed, and the other cases then "cluster" around that one.

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    Index clusters are seen in other realms, too. (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 02:52:59 PM EST
    In politics, I've seen bad policy calls gain traction only because otherwise knowledgeable people in positions of influence -- who clearly knew better -- hesitated to be the first to publicly suggest that the proposal might in fact be a lousy idea. (See "Three Strikes Laws.")

    It's like that children's story about the emperor with no clothes. Everyone sees him as such, yet they all hesitate to call him out. It's a basic instinct of survival to not want to be standing alone, out in the open. People are naturally adverse to situations of personal vulnerability, and they perceive that there is relative safety in numbers.

    But as they say, evil is allowed to flourish and even triumph because for whatever their reasons or rationales, good people will often choose to stay silent and not get involved.

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    Yeah, it took (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 03:26:46 PM EST
    three of us women under the same male boss to get together to go to personnel about a boss i had one time. Fortunately there was no crotch grabbing with him but he definitely had a problem with women working for him as he threatened to jump across the desk and kill me and screamed and screamed in another woman's ear "are you deaf" "do you hear me?"

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    I have my crystal ball out (none / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 12:53:57 PM EST
    I'm conjuring the Devils

    I predict that after this election Trumpenstein gets busted in real time grappling and groping. Because nobody tells gropers those days are over.

    Trumpenstein Jr I predict will be busted first though. He's groped too. But it's like trying to tell W to leave Saddam alone because it's a bad idea...likely illegal. Not after what Dad went through damn it, nobody's telling me what I can and can't do!

    I have to say (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 02:01:43 PM EST
    after all we are finding out I really feel sorry for Ivana. She must have went through hell but she sure put up with a lot until Maples came along and it was just too much.

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    Don't feel sorry for her (none / 0) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 02:27:01 PM EST
    I saw an interview with her last week. She fully supports The Donald. She hates that Marla though.

    Hey, did you see Ivanka's employees speak out? To get maternity leave out of Ivanka you gotta go to war with her.

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    Guess who said this.... (none / 0) (#64)
    by pitachips on Fri Oct 14, 2016 at 08:51:34 PM EST
    I had a feeling our friend's view on this issue wouldn't comport with what he had to say when considering another case of a celebrity being accused of sexual abuse years after the fact....

    "As for Cosby, there is a lot of smoke. Too much smoke for there not to be something."


    Leave Donald Alone (Saracasm Alert) (none / 0) (#76)
    by john horse on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 04:44:18 AM EST
    Re: "I take all of these slings and arrows, gladly, for you," Mr. Trump said to cheers in West Palm Beach.

    It seems to me that what Trump is trying to do here is turn an attack on his character into an attack on the character of his supporters.  I would remind Trump that it is not his supporters who are being accused of inappropriate behavior but him.  Take responsibility for your own behavior Donald.  Try acting like an adult for once.

    You mean (none / 0) (#183)
    by TrevorBolder on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 06:59:12 PM EST
    "The Deplorables"

    It seems to me that what Trump is trying to do here is turn an attack on his character into an attack on the character of his supporters.

    Oh no, that has already been done


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    For goodness' sake, why repeat (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 08:56:18 AM EST
    the same twisted talking points? In one ill-advised comment to donors, HRC remarked that about "half" of Tr*mp's supporters adhere to "deplorable" ideologies and attitudes, such as racism, xenophobia and sexism. Her focus was not on the supporters, but on Tr*mp's habit of repeating and forwarding prejudiced comments by others. It does not seem to me that she was referring to the people themselves as "deplorable" (which would be an odd usage of that term in any event, which someone as articulate as HRC would be very unlikely to do). The statement was entirely accurate, however, as polling consistently (however sadly) shows. Yet having been made aware that the comment was being misconstrued, she apologized the next day, and also withdrew the percentage estimate. (When has Tr*mp ever apologized for a comment that others found offensive, whether or not intended?) Is it not, in fact, deplorable that many people adhere to such attitudes? Is it not true that those people are found in significant numbers among Tr*mp's supporters? Is it not true that he commonly repeats and forwards comments expressing those attitudes? Is there really an argument for voting against HRC lurking in here somewhere? I don't think so.

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    trevor's response deleted (none / 0) (#192)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 09:12:18 PM EST
    he will go into timeout if keeps going off topic. the topic is groping, not crime statistics.

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    You mean SOME of his supporters? (none / 0) (#185)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 07:13:40 PM EST
    Sure.  Why not?  The truth hurts sometimes.

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    Yes because (none / 0) (#187)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 07:47:20 PM EST
    calling women names is so admirable. Go ahead and defend it and admit you admire it.

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    Nevertheless (none / 0) (#191)
    by Nemi on Wed Oct 19, 2016 at 11:47:49 AM EST
    many Trump supporters have proudly added the description 'deplorable' to their Twitter handle. Quite a few even go out of their way to prove it, one way or another. Sad! And deplorable.

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    I would expect (none / 0) (#77)
    by smott on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 05:49:51 AM EST
    Trump to go to town on "I wuz robbed" and "it was rigged", when he loses, God willing by historic margins, enough to make Trump  = LOSER for all time.

    I'd expect there to be armed Trumpsters wandering around polling places, intimidating POC and women on Election Day.
    I'd expect there to be violence after the election, particularly against POC, women, Hispanics, Muslims, Jews....they've already arrested these 3 azzholes in Kansas for planning to blow up an apt of Somali Muslims. Something tells me there's plenty more where that came from

    I'd expect TrumpTV to happen soon. Bannon getting involved was a tell. He's a terrific media manipulator, and he needs a network to go along w Breitbart.com.

    Not that they'll lack money w Ailes involved, but I'd also expect a lot of funding from Russia. The alt-right Pepe juice-box mafia already has a boy-crush on all things Putin, and no one would be more delighted than Putin to have a direct propaganda arm operating within US borders.

    Donald {SNIFF} Tr*mp {SNIFF} calls for (none / 0) (#101)
    by vml68 on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 03:35:02 PM EST
    drug test {SNIFF} ahead of next debate {SNIFF}.

    Projection? Maybe, Dean's speculation was right!

    Let's have an IQ test... (5.00 / 6) (#104)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 04:01:47 PM EST
    while we're at it.  

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    And, a mental health (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by KeysDan on Sat Oct 15, 2016 at 04:20:47 PM EST
    assessment.

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    For once... (none / 0) (#174)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 17, 2016 at 01:44:10 PM EST
    I agree with Trump.  If potential government(and private sector) employees must pee in a cup to be considered for a job, so should those applying for employment as POTUS.  

    If Hillary needs a reco on a mask or quick-cleanse, I'm available.  

    But if Trump asks, the only think that works is chugging four quarts of vinegar without puking;)

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    Site Violator! (none / 0) (#180)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Oct 18, 2016 at 12:54:57 PM EST