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    Good old (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 12:35:24 PM EST
    Newt gets crazier by the moment. According to him the GOP's tanking numbers are actually a good thing.

    They are, (none / 0) (#47)
    by KeysDan on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 08:47:26 PM EST
    for Democrats, and sanity.

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    Oh Christ... (none / 0) (#60)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 09:22:12 AM EST
    ...he's just hoping it works so he can gloat that he was ahead of his time back in '95...

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    "Truckers For the Constitution" ... (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Yman on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 01:02:21 PM EST
    ... founder Zeeda Andrews.

    More than a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

    Never mind "a few fries" (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 01:10:16 PM EST
    This woman is missing the entire meal and is certifiably insane.      ;-)

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    Crazy like a fox... (none / 0) (#7)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 01:26:33 PM EST
    now she's well on her way to getting her own show on FOX;)

    I still like the idea, for redress of real grievances, not for redress of psychotic delusions.  

    When the government and their paymasters get to plotting screwing the people in France or Greece, it's what the people of those countries do...and it can be highly effective. Me thinks this country could use a general strike right about now.

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    It's a hoax (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 01:19:14 PM EST
    Link

    It can be hard to get attention for your agenda in a town like Washington, but Georgia trucker Earl Conlon figured out a way: take the Beltway hostage.

    Conlon's comments in a U.S. News & World Report story that he and thousands of truckers from across the country (and possibly Canada) planned to come to the nation's capital Friday and bring traffic to a standstill on the inner loop of the Capital Beltway zinged across the Web and were picked up by outlets ranging from Fox News to the Huffington Post. The rally was dubbed "Truckers for the Constitution."

    But it is a hoax.

    "The comments to U.S. News were designed to do one thing and one thing only: stir the feather of the mainstream media," said Conlon, a father of three. "Nothing gets the attention of the mainstream media like some sort of disastrous threat. I knew it was going to ruffle some feathers."

    So while thousands of truckers may indeed come to Washington on Friday and many of them may travel along the inner loop of the Beltway, honking their horns, they won't intentionally shut down traffic, he said.



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    Might be (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Yman on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 01:36:42 PM EST
    Many times the wingers just like to talk tough.

    But my point was the nutty theories of the group and its founders.

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    Absolutely (none / 0) (#13)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 01:43:40 PM EST
    But that's like saying the sky is blue.  :)

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    It may be a hoax (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by sj on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 02:22:04 PM EST
    But Zeeda Andrews is still batsh!t crazy.

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    Stir the feather? (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 04:42:22 PM EST
    Birds of a pot. (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 04:53:41 PM EST
    How is it a Hoax... (none / 0) (#9)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 01:31:24 PM EST
    ...if it actually happens.

    Not really directed at you, but the story makes no sense, it's a hoax, but 'thousands of truckers may indeed come to Washington on Friday'.

    Not sure why Canadian driver would get in on it.

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    It's a hoax (none / 0) (#10)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 01:33:55 PM EST
    Because it isn't an actual organized event.

    Sure- maybe some people will show up here because they heard about it, but it isn't going to be in the hundreds and thousands that have been reported.

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    Yeah, But if they Show Up... (none / 0) (#18)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 02:57:41 PM EST
    ...depending how many, isn't it at some level organized, even if not on purpose.

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    I could be wrong (none / 0) (#19)
    by jbindc on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 03:03:28 PM EST
    But I don't expect any bigger issues than a normal day on the Beltway.

    I think this is all something else for the media to focus on with the shutdown.

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    I Was Just Kidding Around... (none / 0) (#20)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 03:11:03 PM EST
    ...but it seems like more people might show up.

    I like the idea if it would effect the members of Congress and not the rest of the hoards who battle traffic every day and are effected by the shutdown.

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    That would be great (none / 0) (#74)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 11:10:01 AM EST
    Unfortunately, my guess is that no members of Congress live outside the Beltway and would not be affected at all.  most of them live in DC or immediately across the river in Arlington or Alexandria Virginia, and maybe up in Chevy Chase, MD.

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    This lady (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 01:39:31 PM EST
    explains who is the GOP's base---people who seriously need mental health.

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    Is This Something New ? (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 01:53:13 PM EST
    Just today in a comment section somewhere someone idiot was ranting about the government stockpiling armor piercing rounds, turns out they weren't alone in their belief.

    No wonder these idiots don't care about the government shutting down, they think it's getting ready to kill them...

    I have never read about that specific claim before.

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    ... was compelled to combat rumors initiated in an August 17, 2012 editorial in The Daily Caller by Maj. Gen. Jerry Curry, U.S.A. (Ret.) -- which has since been taken down by the website -- that it was stockpiling ammunition to use against beneficiaries, after after this RFP was issued one week prior soliciting quoted estimates regarding the purchase of 174,000 hollow-point bullets.

    It actually turned out to be part of a routine purchase protocol for federal law enforcement, but given that the right's rumor-mongering tends to feed upon itself, it's hardly surprising that this nonsense has continued to evolve in some variation. It does makes one wonder, though, how Jerry Curry ever achieved the high rank of major general -- unless, perhaps, it was by audition.

    Aloha.

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    In honor of Zeeda Andrews and ... (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 05:14:37 PM EST
    ... the rest of the GOP's "Too Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs" crowd, "I'm Going Slightly Mad" by Queen.

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    Today (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 04:05:31 PM EST
    I just had to call and see if my crackpot representative was supporting default after seeing how the tea party is now agitating for it. I knew that redistricting had happened but I did not know that I had been moved into a completely different district. This has happened before but the one I am in now is gerrymandered it's not even funny. So i went to the website and found out that I no longer have cranky old Bush apologist Tom Price but I have literally hit the jackpot this time with Legitimate Rape Phil Gingrey as my rep. How could I ever get so freaking lucky? I think he is running for the senate  but I don't know if he's giving up his house seat or not. Maybe he will resign from the house. Of course judging by the people in my district the next one will probably be just as bad as this one if he goes away.

    I Moved From... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 04:22:02 PM EST
    ...Tom Delay to Sheila Jackson Lee, not sure if either would be considered an actual crack-pot, but not folks who come anything close to representing me.

    Check out this Gerrymandering that ensures one district in Houston sucks up as many minorities as humanely possible.  You don't have to be a genius to know that a district map should never look like the letter 'C'.  But that is what SJL's district looks like.

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    We got Gerrymandered out of Dogget's district (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Angel on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 06:21:19 PM EST
    and put into a$$hat Roger Williams' district.  

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    A very different "jackpot" (none / 0) (#28)
    by christinep on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 04:34:41 PM EST
    The crackpot jackpot IS Gingrey from what is in the news today.  So, at least for today, your representative represents the nadir of the "debt ceiling" issue and the matter of default when he pronounced his intention to go down with the government if need be to gain his ends.

    My sympathy, Ga6th.

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    I called (none / 0) (#34)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 05:16:44 PM EST
    his office today and the person there told me he did not support defaulting. Maybe the person was an idiot or maybe he told her to lie or maybe he changed his mind. You never know when you are dealing with a crazy person.

    And the GOP here is doing a great job on making sure that they lose a senate seat because so far they have all been trying to out-crazy the completely insane Paul Broun.

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    He's a real piece of work, huh? (none / 0) (#40)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 07:10:13 PM EST
    I think the teabimbos' idea for hostage-taking was inspired by Cleavon Little in "Blazing Saddles" ...

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    Boy, was that PBS documentary on concussions.... (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by magster on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 06:52:46 PM EST
    sobering. I love the NFL, but re-thinking...

    Agreed. (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 07:46:59 PM EST
    My 14-year-old nephew somehow made the varsity football team this year, and suffered a serious concussion three weeks ago. My sister said it's still bothering him, even though he's angry because his doctor won't give him clearance to play.

    (Personally, I didn't share this with my sister, but I believe that given the obvious significant physical differences between most 14 / 15-year-old boys and most 17 / 18-year-old young men, high schools and parents really have no business allowing freshmen to play football at the varsity level.)

    I love watching football, but I agree with you, the statistics and evidence regarding head injuries in the NFL are indeed sobering, if not alarming. But I don't think the public is going to buy THIS as a credible substitute.

    Aloha.

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    Watched it last night - actually recorded it, (none / 0) (#41)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 07:40:53 PM EST
    so I could watch it again.  And I'm definitely going to read the book.

    I was at once horrified and angry and stunned by how hard the powers-that-be worked to suppress and repress and deny and hide what was being learned about repetitive brain injury and football's role in it.  How they stonewalled the families.  How they treated Dr. Omalu and Dr. McKee.

    Ira Casson made me want to throw something at the TV.

    It's no wonder the NFL decided to settle before the book came out.

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    There was a tight end for .. (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 08:19:24 PM EST
    ... the old Baltimore Colts, John Mackey, who scored the only Colts' touchdown in their 16-13 win over the Dallas Cowboys in Super Bowl V back in 1971, catching a deflected 75-yard pass from Johnny Unitas.

    By the time Mackey was profiled on CBS News a few years ago, when he was only in his mid-sixties, it was obvious that he suffered from serious dementia. He was no longer able to speak, and was entirely dependent upon his wife Sylvia's caregiving. Not long after that CBS profile, she finally admitted she could no longer care for her husband, and placed him in a skilled nursing facility. He died two years ago.

    To me, John Mackey and Muhammed Ali are the poster children for the belated effects of sports-related repetitive brain trauma.

    Aloha.

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    Growing up in the Baltimore area, I was a (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Anne on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 08:43:07 PM EST
    diehard Baltimore Colts fan, going to games at Memorial Stadium with my dad and my brother - I learned a lot about football from dad (when I met my husband, our second date was an evening watching a Monday night football game - he told me some time later that he was really impressed by the fact that I knew more about the game than he did).

    John Mackey was beloved here - a real hero to many Colts fans; what happened to him was tragic; that it's happening to so many other former players - and that it was allowed to go on with no support from the league for as long as it was criminal, in my opinion.

    Sylvia Mackey was a dedicated and outspoken advocate for her husband, and continues to give time and the benefit of her experience to others.

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    youth ball, and loving it. And my 11 y/o is now in the youth league.

    I was actually against either of them playing tackle before HS, but it turns out I'm not the boss in this household...

    Anyway :-) concussions are the big topic, among everyone. In fact my son's HS coaches are blaming it for the drop off in student football athletes over the past couple years.

    I think probably, as are most things in life, some of us are more susceptible than others.

    In my HS "glory days" I used my head as a weapon. Despite being only about 165, as free safety/rover my hits were full speed. As a result, my "bell" got "rung" multiple times/practice and games.

    Jr. and Sr. year my coaches gave me an award at the end of season team dinners for "Pound for pound hardest hitting player on team.

    ("Oh Glory Days, they pass you by.
    Glory days, make a young girl cry.")

    Though I never had any symptoms of concussion, my guess is that's because my brain isn't wired that way. Or something...

    And after all that, at 50+, I'm perfectly fien. fing. fill. freap .

    ach?!

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    Omalu and McKee are heroes... (none / 0) (#49)
    by magster on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 09:38:25 PM EST
    especially Omalu, a junior coroner for Alleghany County recognizing something was not right during the autopsy of Mike Webster and taking the extra step. The world is a better place because of the Omalu's amongst us.

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    The non negotiations are moving (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by MO Blue on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 09:05:05 AM EST
    into high gear.

    Ryan steps up to shape a deal

    The ice breaks; fiscal talks set

    Will President Obama finally be able to meet his longterm objectives?

    Boehner offers a 6-week deal, (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 10:09:27 AM EST
    that apparently was met with stony silence by GOP caucus.

    The Guardian is following this mess live, here.

    Guardian says:

    Fox News' Ed Henry reports a version of Boehner's offer that does not sound like the "clean" debt ceiling lift the White House has insisted on. Boehner appears to be offering short-term relief on the debt ceiling in exchange for concessions to reopen the government, according to Henry.

    Ed Henry reports via Twitter:

    GOP "offer": Debt limit hike to Nov. 22; budget comm conferees to work on broader deal; POTUS agree to talks on CR, spending

    Stock market just loves it, up 200+ points already.  My 401(k) is probably benefiting, but the other shoe is bound to drop, and I've a feeling we're not going to like it much.

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    So What... (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 10:22:57 AM EST
    ...we go through this again at Thanksgiving ?

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    And What About the Debt Ceiling ? (none / 0) (#68)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 10:23:17 AM EST
    The 6 weeks is for the debt ceiling; (none / 0) (#71)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 10:58:41 AM EST
    there's still no movement on the budget CR.

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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 151 (none / 0) (#1)
    by Dadler on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 12:20:13 PM EST
    LINKY

    My favorite moment of the playoffs so far: when hothead Grant Balfour of the A's and the Tigers' Victor Martinez, um, started to jaw a bit at each other. The TV mikes picked up the robust verbiage (link). Watch the home plate ump quickly get himself out of the middle of it as it became clear it might get ugly.

    Do They Teach That... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 03:19:06 PM EST
    ..."side step, side step, turn around" move in umpire school ?  That was pretty slick.

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    And I really love that background... (none / 0) (#2)
    by Dadler on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 12:28:53 PM EST
    ...of the little girls against the baseball hostilities on the smaller screen.

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    Obama is supporting Al Qaeda ... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Yman on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 01:31:09 PM EST
    ... proving that we are in the end times.

    A singular, loony, rightwing nutc@se?

    Nope.

    A Republican, United States Congresswoman.

    Have,,, (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 01:43:55 PM EST
    Bachmann and Zeeda Andrews ever been seen in the same room together?  Hmm?  Hmm? ;)

    And what kinda cracy furriner name is Zeeda anyway...speaking of false flag operations, maybe she's AQ deep cover posing as a tea-partier to discredit the moooovement ;)

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    I Knew it was Bachmann... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 02:56:02 PM EST
    ...before I clicked on it.  Which is good in that there is only one and she is not running for re-election.

    What I don't get, isn't the end suppose to be a glorious time for the devoted, what's the problem ?  Either the second coming of Jesus is a good thing or it's not, seems like she's not behind it 100%, almost like she's using it to scare the hell of the idiot class.

    If I believed some dead guy was going to rise to give me infinite happiness, I would championing anyone and anything that would speed up the process.  But then again, no one ever lost money betting on Bachmann's stupidity.

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    Personally, I can't wait (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 04:09:31 PM EST
    until the so-called Rapture, which they all seem to believe in, occurs.  Let all of these nut-cases get sucked up into the sky or the vortex or whatever, and leave the rest of us alone.  
    From my keyboard to the eyes of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.  RAmen.   ;-)


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    If Jesus hadn't ever been crucified (5.00 / 3) (#73)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 11:07:03 AM EST
    where would Christianity be? Yet Christians persecuted "christ killers" for centuries, blaming them because God "sacrificed his own son"..

    Try embracing all those contradictions while acting and talking as if they weren't contradictions, and see if it doesn't make you nuttier than squirrel turds after awhile..

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    Of course... (none / 0) (#22)
    by unitron on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 03:35:02 PM EST
    ...if it had been a male Banana Republican congresscritter, there would have been a long line of candidates for that particular utterance.

    Although being from NC, I'd have considered Foxx and Ellmers to be possibles as well as Crazy-Eyes Bachmann, and maybe even TN's Blackburn.

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    Let's not forget Louie Gohmert of Texas. (none / 0) (#32)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 05:08:46 PM EST
    And then, there's my new favorite -- Florida's appropriately named freshman Congressman Ted Yoho, a birther who represents Lake Buena Vista, home to Disney World and the "Pirates of the Caribbean" ride.

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    "Appropriately named"? (none / 0) (#35)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 05:19:01 PM EST
    Yeah, Yoho -- as in ... (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 06:47:28 PM EST
    ... "We pillage, we plunder, we rifle and loot, drink up me hearties, Yoho!" Congressmen who represent the Disney World area don't get much more appropriately named than that.

    What makes the Disney analogies even more appropriate is that Mr. Yoho also lives in Fantasyland.

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    OK, thx. (none / 0) (#54)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 01:44:21 AM EST
    Did you think that up yourself, or did you read it somewhere? 'Cuz I never would have got that.

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    I said... (none / 0) (#72)
    by unitron on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 11:06:38 AM EST
    ...if it were a male that there would be a long line of possibles.

    Please don't make me have visions of Gohmert in drag.

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    Here You Go... (none / 0) (#79)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 01:05:58 PM EST
    ...don't forget you asked for it.

    You need to understand that when there is a law being pushed, as it has for several years, that says that religious institutions should not be exempt from discrimination laws, that it is going to devastate the church, the synagogue, the places of worship that hire people because ultimately they're saying you have to hire whatever Satan-worshiper, whatever cross-dresser you think might be immoral, that's against your religious belief.


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    She's an idiot, and loony to boot (none / 0) (#50)
    by Edger on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 09:46:28 PM EST
    but like stopped clocks even loony idiots get it right occasionally.

    Bloomberg.com, July 29, 2013
    Al-Qaeda Backers Found With U.S. Contracts in Afghanistan

    Supporters of the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan have been getting U.S. military contracts, and American officials are citing "due process rights" as a reason not to cancel the agreements, according to an independent agency monitoring spending.

    The U.S. Army Suspension and Debarment Office has declined to act in 43 such cases, John Sopko, the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, said today in a letter accompanying a quarterly report to Congress.

    "I am deeply troubled that the U.S. military can pursue, attack, and even kill terrorists and their supporters, but that some in the U.S. government believe we cannot prevent these same people from receiving a government contract," Sopko said.

    Never mind the US backed and armed al qaeda "rebels" in Syria.

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    She's not right (none / 0) (#55)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 08:00:40 AM EST
    She was talking about the decision to give chemical defense gear to some Syrian rebel groups:

    The Minnesota congresswoman referred to a decision by the Obama administration to allow vetted Syrian rebels not affiliated with terrorist organizations to help them resist chemical weapons attacks, which was spurred by the Syrian regime's use of chemical weapons on civilians.

    While the administration's move is only related to non-lethal, defensive and protective aid, Bachmann falsely claimed that "President Obama waived a ban on selling arms to terrorists."

    Not to mention the cookoo rapture theory.

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    What is false in the quote (none / 0) (#59)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 09:16:44 AM EST
    you posted from Right Wing Watch is the claim that "Bachmann falsely claimed that "President Obama waived a ban on selling arms to terrorists."

    He is in fact doing that.

    I'm not interested in getting into an argument about it. People can google as easily as I can.

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    Yes, they can (1.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 09:39:35 AM EST
    And when they do, they'll quickly find out that the claim she was making is completely false.  

    Bachman wasn't talking about Al Qaeda supporters being found among the thousands of contractors being awarded contracts in Afghanistan - the issue you seem to want to discuss.  Bachman claimed that Obama waived a ban on selling arms to terrorist by giving vetted Syrian rebels protective gear to defend against gas attacks.  The quote is right there in my link:

    "President Obama waived a ban on arming terrorists in order to allow weapons to go to the Syrian opposition," Bachmann said. "Your listeners, US taxpayers, are now paying to give arms to terrorists including Al Qaeda."

    Whatever other issues you have with this administration are not the ones referenced by Bachman.

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    Read what I googled (1.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 09:43:52 AM EST
    Making false claims about what I said ends this conversation.

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    I read it (3.00 / 2) (#63)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 09:54:26 AM EST
    It has nothing to do with Bachmann's claims in the article I posted.

    BTW - Oh. please.  I said nothing false about your claims.  If you think I did, post my quote.

    If "false claims" ended a conversation, this one would have ended with your first response.

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    I've been finding more and more lately (1.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 10:32:06 AM EST
    that many people here are more and more unable to think logically and have coherent conversations.

    This instance was no exception.

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    Something you should work on (1.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 10:57:31 AM EST
    Funny how you couldn't post the "false claim" I made about your quote, but luckily your Google results link is impressive evidence.

    Apart from having absolutely nothing to do with the claims Bachmann made in the article, your results speak volumes.  The only results in the first couple pages which claim that the administration is "arming Al Quaeda" (as opposed to vetted Syrian Rebels) are from some winger blogs, Front Page Magazine, Alex Jones, "Counterjihad", Michael Savage and the Washington Examiner.

    That's some impressive evidence.  A little odd, though, ...

    ... you get the same groups when you Google "Vince Foster murdered".

    Heh.

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    Obam and the US government (1.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 11:46:33 AM EST
    are and have been for a long time arming al qaeda in Syria and elsewhere. That is well established not only in the google search results I gave you but elsewhere for years.

    What part of that fact do you not understand makes the statement "Bachmann falsely claimed that "President Obama waived a ban on selling arms to terrorists" false in itself?

    At the rate you're going I expect that if she got lucky in spite of her idiocy and looniness and said 2+2=4 you would say she is making a false statement.

    Saying she is wrong because she is loony is a loony statement in itself.

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    Your "Google search" results (3.00 / 2) (#78)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 12:45:27 PM EST
    Apart from having nothing to do with Bachmann's statement, are a joke.  Some rightwing blogs and fellow nuts making claims that "Obama is arming Al Quaeda!" are not facts, let alone "well established".

    In the real world, what the administration actually did (and what Bachmann was talking about) was waive certain provisions of the Arms Export Control Act, allowing the US to provide gas masks and other non-lethal protective equipment related to chemical weapons to international organizations and select, vetted members of the Syrian opposition.

    See the difference?

    Probably not.  At the rate you're going, you and Bachmann are going to continue to insist that 2+2=5.

    But please, .... by all means.  Show me something more than Google results linking to wingnut blogs showing the "well established" fact that Obama is arming Al Quaeda.  If it's "well established" - it should be incredibly easy to link to something more than Alex Jones, Michael Savage and the Washington Examiner, right?

    Oh, ... and don't forget to post the quote where I made "false claims" about what you said.

    Heh.

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    There are (none / 0) (#80)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 01:15:10 PM EST
    5,470,000 right wing blogs?

    Interesting. And nice denialism on the arming al Qaeda bit, that has been going on for years.

    Ever heard of Osama bin Ladin?

    ...

    I do understand how wonderful obama is though, and why no criticism of him can be accepted.

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    This is hilarious (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 01:38:17 PM EST
    A guy who complains about an inability to think logically actually cites the number of Google results to establish the credibility of a claim.

    ROFL!

    Here ya go ... I'll do one!  "The earth is flat."  How do I prove this is a "well established" fact???  Well, I'll just Google it.

    Wow!  Look at that!  309 million results!

    Better yet ... "2+2=5".  1.5 billion results.

    Too funny.

    BTW - I'm not someone who thinks "Obama is wonderful" ... far from it.  But I guess when you can't provide a single, credible bit of evidence to support Bachmann's (or your) claim, you go with what ya got ...

    ... the number of Google results and some stupid video.

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    Keep that straw pile tied down (none / 0) (#83)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:16:34 PM EST
    it'll blow away in the wind.

    I'd says it's been a slice, but, well....

    Bye.

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    You said that awhile ago (none / 0) (#86)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 03:02:37 PM EST
    Still not the slightest evidence to back up Bachmann's/your "well established" wingbat claims, huh?

    Strange ... seems like providing evidence of something so "well established" would be easy.  Unless, of course ...

    ... it's complete bu//$hit.

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    You've got 5 1/2 million links there (none / 0) (#88)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 03:48:00 PM EST
    Have a go at refuting all of them, one by one. Let us know when you're done.

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    Sorry (1.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 04:30:05 PM EST
    I'm not doing your work for you.  If you want to claim that Obama is giving arms to Al Quaeda, it's up to you to provide something more than a Google results page with links to wingnut blogs.  While you're at it, you still haven't pointed out where I falsely misstated your claims.  Of course, the reason for both is the same ...

    ... you can't.

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    Meh (none / 0) (#91)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 04:45:31 PM EST
    You'd say the same thing if there were 20 million links there.

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    "20 million" - Heh (none / 0) (#92)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 05:14:06 PM EST
    You can't even provide two.

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    See? (none / 0) (#93)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 05:42:56 PM EST
    Sure (none / 0) (#94)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 05:50:13 PM EST
    I see that you can't provide any evidence to back up your/Bachmann's cukoo claims.

    I saw that several hours ago.

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    I can't provide anything (none / 0) (#95)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 05:59:45 PM EST
    that will remove the blinders from your eyes or make you look at or comprehend anything you don't want to see or comprehend.

    You need more help than I can offer you.

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    "Help"? Heh (none / 0) (#96)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 06:04:33 PM EST
    Don't need any ... particularly from you.

    Besides, you overestimate yourself (again).  If you can't provide a single link to backup what you claim is a "well accepted" fact, I seriously doubt you could "help" anyone.

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    Forgive me (none / 0) (#97)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 06:17:37 PM EST
    I'd forgotten how fast you are and that you'd read all of the 15 1/2 million links I've given you.  Either that or perhaps you're relying on the same revealed knowledge sources Bachmann is and need no other information.

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    Heh, heh (none / 0) (#100)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 06:37:07 PM EST
    You actually believe that doing a word search on Google and getting some results validates your fairy tale?!?

    Heh, heh, heh ..

    Oh, look!  1 Billion 270 Million hits for "Santa is real"!

    16.5 million for "Elvis lives"!

    Now, you go read them, otherwise they're true.

    ROFL!

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    You can have (none / 0) (#103)
    by Edger on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 07:04:28 PM EST
    the last word... I mean denial.

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    Absolutely (none / 0) (#106)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 08:45:46 PM EST
    I deny that Santa is real, Elvis is alive and Bachmann/Edger's fairy tale about Obama supplying Al Quaeda with weapons.

    Although, to be fair - using your standard for "evidence" - the two other fairy tales have many millions more Google results than yours.

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    BTW - "It's been going on for years" (none / 0) (#82)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 01:40:10 PM EST
    Interesting. And nice denialism on the arming al Qaeda bit, that has been going on for years.

    Ever heard of Osama bin Ladin?

    Care to point out when Obama has approved arms shipments to Osama Bin Laden???

    Heh.

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    You guys need to get a room... (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:25:38 PM EST
    it's clear neither one of you is giving an inch, so I'm not sure exactly what the point is in continuing to beat up on each other.

    Not that I haven't been guilty of not wanting to let go of something myself, but at some point, it's just a waste of time and there are better ways and more pleasant things that will raise one's blood pressure.

    :-)

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    Aw, I'm enjoying the afternoon entertainment. (none / 0) (#85)
    by Angel on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:28:33 PM EST
    Naaahhh ... (none / 0) (#87)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 03:03:56 PM EST
    He's not really my type.

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    Anne is right, Yman (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 04:45:26 PM EST
    I have enjoyed and learned from your past comments and Edger's as well.
    But you two need to take a few deep, cleansing yoga breaths.  Neither of you is accomplishing anything, except to roil yourselves up without advancing the discourse.  You are both passionate, but too smart to devolve into this petty bickering.
    Namaste.


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    Sorry, Zorba (none / 0) (#98)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 06:25:27 PM EST
    Edger has made the claim that Bachmann's claim is true (Obama's arming Al Quaeda), yet he won't provide a single link to backup his claim.  The truth of what's happened to date is:

    1.  Obama approved a waiver of parts of the Arms Export Control Act, allowing the US to provide gas masks and other non-lethal protective equipment related to chemical weapons to international organizations and select, vetted members of the Syrian opposition.

    2.  Obama also approved the sending of some small arms to Syrian rebels - as opposed to Al Quaeda.  This is not what Bachmann was referencing, but is the action approved by the the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, as well as the Senate and House Intelligence Committees.

    Obama does enough stuff worthy of criticism.  Adding bu//shit charges my wingnuts is not only unnecessary, but it damages the credibility of legitimate criticisms that are based on facts, rather than fairy tales.

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    I really am not interested at this point (none / 0) (#99)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 06:29:20 PM EST
    in who is right and who is wrong, and I am even less interested in rehashing this.
    What I see is two "virtual" friends of mine engaged in mutual destruction, to no good end.  This covers neither of you with glory.
    Good night, and good luck, my brother.  Be well.

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    Thanks - you to (1.00 / 1) (#101)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 06:40:48 PM EST
    But the fact that Edger is your virtual friend really has no bearing for me.  If it was our poker-playing Jim making these crazy claims with absolutely no evidence I assume you'd be fine with it, but it doesn't matter to me.

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    By "Thanks - you too" (none / 0) (#102)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 07:00:14 PM EST
    ... I meant "God Luck and good night" to you, as well.

    Just in case that was what got Christine all bunched up.

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    Heck ... I got it backwards (none / 0) (#104)
    by christinep on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 07:09:51 PM EST
    In short: My "rating" would have been a "5" for your comment, Yman; and, a "1" for Zorba (who indicated, I thought, by her comment that relationships/likes & dislikes of the individual determine the responses more than anything.  At least, that is the way that I read it.

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    Well, you're wrong, christine (none / 0) (#105)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 07:39:04 PM EST
    You are welcome to your own interpretation.

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    I Got Ya... (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Oct 11, 2013 at 08:43:48 AM EST
    ...I understand what you were saying.

    I would add that both add a lot to the general comments around here, I would even go as far as saying they are two of the best sources of great and sourced information to refute talking points on the right.  

    It's a damn shame to see them spiral into Jim-esque non-sense especially over something Bachmann may or may not have said/thought.

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    Schaub (none / 0) (#23)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 03:36:25 PM EST
    This morning there was news story that was truly embarrassing for any sports fan.  Apparently some folks went to Schaub's home and yelled at him for his performance while another took photos.  HPD was called, but the people left before they showed up.

    That story was bunk, the truth was that some guy was outside taking photos and Schaub contacted NFL security who contacted HPD.

    What is odd:

    NFL vice president of security Jeff Miller told NFL.com that Texans security and the Houston police will investigate the incident.

    "This is a little unusual in that we don't normally have fans acting in this way, going to a player's residence, that sort of thing," Miller told NFL.com. "In this case, Monday afternoon, a vehicle pulled into his driveway, an unidentified individual yelled obscenities. The police department is involved. We've been in contact with them as we normally would for anything like this. And because it's a team issue, they have a security director, we work with them.

    HPD Tweeted:

    Contrary to some reports, there was not a group of "angry fans" outside the Schaub residence on Monday.

    A family member reported seeing a suspicious male in the driveway of the residence taking pictures.

    Police were not called to the home.

    Anyways, it's weird, but more importantly I seriously hope this is a line fans will never cross.  I don't like his play, but damn, that last for about 3 hours a week, the length of the game.  Even if I lived next to the dude I wouldn't yell at him over his play, only an idiot thinks a professional athlete is playing bad on purpose or that all this attention is somehow going to aid in better play.

    QB's are not as plentiful as a lot of Texans fans seem to think.  We got Schaub and that is that IMO, tearing the guy down and burning his jersey ain't help him throw the ball better.

    It's already been crossed. (none / 0) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 04:52:37 PM EST
    Scott: "Anyways, it's weird, but more importantly I seriously hope this is a line fans will never cross."

    In Dec. 1993, the National League champion Philadelphia Phillies traded ace closer "Mitch "The Wildman" Williams -- who had saved 43 games for them during the regular season season -- to the Houston Astros, after numerous threats were made against his life in the two months following the Phillies' World Series loss in six games to the Toronto Blue Jays.

    Williams' initial transgression was blowing a five-run lead at home in the top of the 9th, as the Phillies lost a critical Game 5, 15-14. He then compounded that in Toronto two days later, with the Phillies holding a 6-5 lead in the bottom of the 9th, by giving up a Series-ending, three-run walkoff homer to the Jays' Joe Carter.

    Hey, that's Philadelphia, where as the quip goes, fans are so tough on the hometown teams that they'll boo an Easter egg hunt at their kids' pre-school.

    But the trade to Houston so disheartened Williams, even though he's originally from east Texas, that he never regained his former swagger. The following season, after refusing a rehab assignment to the Astros' Triple-A affiliate in Tucson, he packed up his bags and walked out on the Astros. He was later signed by the California Angels, but by 1997 was out of baseball entirely. He stayed away for ten years, and returned only in 2007 as a studio analyst for the MLB Network.

    Aloha.

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    May be of interest to lawyers (none / 0) (#36)
    by ragebot on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 05:58:26 PM EST
    This link to VC contains lots more details

    http://www.volokh.com/2013/10/05/fast-furious-document-trial-delayed-shutdown/

    A judge has delayed (but not dismissed) the Fast and Furious trial because of the shut down.  I am not sure how I feel about this.

    How many times has a defense lawyer been able to get a delay because a client could/would not pay?  As a general rule just because one party's lawyer is not being paid is no excuse to stop proceedings.  I can see lawyers going before a judge and saying we have to delay because my client won't have bucks to pay me for a few weeks/months, maybe longer and pointing to this ruling.

    Of course I could be wrong, I have been wrong before.  I am more of a civil than criminal guy and I hope some lawyers with more criminal chops than I have add their insight.

    Not analagous (none / 0) (#56)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 08:16:05 AM EST
    Defense lawyers have an idea going into a case how many hours will be involved.  They also collect information about their client's ability to pay their fees and base their retainer and/or payment schedule accordingly.  Not so with salaried, government attorneys, who get no retainer and who likely have no support staff to assist them during a government shutdown.

    Not to mention (as the judge pointed out) that there are no exigent circumstances which would warrant a denial of the stay, and one of the parties (the House of Reps) has played a role in causing the shutdown.

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    X Factor (none / 0) (#43)
    by DFLer on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 07:48:48 PM EST
    My guy, local Winona MN singer Tim Ostad just rocked it on x factor. I hope they pick him.

    they picked him! (none / 0) (#44)
    by DFLer on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 07:52:58 PM EST
    Olstad with an L

    He was a contestant for a local vocal contest here 4 years ago. I was a judge (there to simonize!) Anyhoo, he was my top pick, by far: great sounding voice, good intonation, timing, stage presence. YES!

    If you follow this show check him out and toss him a vote.

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    oh well that's show biz - he's out again (none / 0) (#48)
    by DFLer on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 08:59:13 PM EST
    an unpopular decision with audience and other judges..maybe he'll get a second chance somehow.

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    Well now he's back in (none / 0) (#108)
    by DFLer on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 04:10:14 PM EST
    The AP (none / 0) (#51)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 11:18:27 PM EST
    may have pulled one of the biggest blunders for a legitimate news outlet. I don't count internet news sites or Fox news as they blunder on a daily basis.

    This is what's left of the AP story on the Washington Post website where Terry McAuliffe was accused of lying to federal investigators earlier this evening

    Huge apologies are owed on this one.

    They story removal story (none / 0) (#52)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 09, 2013 at 11:26:16 PM EST
    from the AP in the Post has already disappeared. Here is a screen shot of the original backtrack

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    Any explanation? (none / 0) (#76)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 11:42:10 AM EST
    Have you seen any explanation for this incredibly irresponsible reporting?

    All I've seen so far is a tweet from Bob Lewis (the reporter) saying, "The error was mine and I take responsibility for it."

    Nothing about why he claimed that "T.M." was McAuliffe or why his editors would allow such a claim without (apparently) any evidence.  If he has some evidence (source, etc.) that he was relying on, he needs to come clean about it.  If it's merely based on the initials "T.M" being written in the indictment, this is incredibly irresponsible.

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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 152 (none / 0) (#57)
    by Dadler on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 08:30:03 AM EST
    From the wayback machine, and just discovered in the attic (in the knapsack my grandmother brought back from her second stint in the penitentiary), this is an AXE comic from 1947. Ahem. (link)

    Volume 151

    Volume 150

    The better news is that hoops season is just rolling out of bed for the year. The squeak of shoes and the drumbeat of ball on hardwood, and maybe a little of the sweaty gym smell too, capture my imagination like nothing else.

    Peace.

    It has (none / 0) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 10:03:38 AM EST
    been crazy to watch the meltdown of the GOP over the last week. Truly they have crossed the Rubicon. Apparently people getting health insurance has ruined lives and destroyed businesses. They keep trying to top crazy with more crazy.

    I think (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 10:04:06 AM EST
    perhaps it is time for the GOP to fold up it's tent.

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    Just one reason a short term debt ceiling (none / 0) (#75)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 11:32:06 AM EST
    deal is a bad idea.  Hope it does not happen.