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    Yes Jeralyn needs to come back (none / 0) (#1)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 01:08:11 PM EST
    because I'v been able to comment way too much on the easy stuff we've had lately.  We need some tough lawyerly subjects to keep me out of the fray

    I figured you'd be all over (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 01:32:12 PM EST
    the Boy Scout leaders who toppled the Goblin rock structure.

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    For the safety of the children!!!!! (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by ruffian on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 01:49:30 PM EST


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    It gets more interesting... (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Angel on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:53:00 PM EST
    The Boy Scout leader who came under fire for pushing over an ancient boulder in a national park filed a suit last month claiming he was suffering permanent "disability" and "impairment" from an auto accident four years ago.

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    PRetty Sure.... (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 09:45:14 AM EST
    ...that lawsuit is dead in the water and even if they don't charge the men with destruction, clearly that guy should be brought up on some sort of fraud charges.

    The whole "I did it to keep the children safe" is really funny when you consider the damn rock was there for millions incident free or that he damn near rolled the thing over onto the guy filming the idiot.

    Surely there is a 'government shutdown' angle they are will try to work next.

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    Tells you the kind of person he is. Files a (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by Angel on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 10:02:52 AM EST
    lawsuit for disability, etc., but he's fully able to roll that rock.  I think he may be in all sorts of trouble.

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    I certainly (5.00 / 4) (#44)
    by Zorba on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 10:30:32 AM EST
    hope he is.

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    They should be out of the Scouts (none / 0) (#8)
    by scribe on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 04:08:35 PM EST
    come COB Monday.

    But, then again, the Scouts still don't "allow" gays, so who's to say they'll do the right thing in this instance either.

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    Hate to admit this... (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 04:27:33 PM EST
    but I was an Eagle Scout...guess I still am.  

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    Seriously (none / 0) (#17)
    by sj on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 11:31:16 PM EST
    How stupid do you have to be to go to a park famous for its rock formations and then destroy one? I mean, the rock formations are really all Utah has going for it -- and they are fabulous.

    I can't bring myself to watch the video.

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    I'll watch it for you. (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 03:17:58 AM EST
    Okay, I watched it. How stupid do you have to be not only show no contrition for the deed, but to instead offer high-fivea and a cheer afterward -- and record the whole sorry episode on video?

    (Sigh!) It's getting so the rest of the country can't leave adult white males alone for a single minute nowadays ...

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    Their excuses for bad behavior are pathetic. (none / 0) (#26)
    by Angel on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:21:07 AM EST
    I hope they're prosecuted to the full extent of the law.  

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    More than rock formations (none / 0) (#18)
    by MKS on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 12:27:59 AM EST
    Ski resorts.

    And the Sundance Film Festival.....

    Wilderness backpacking.  Much, much more from an outdoor standpoint.  

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    Fair enough (none / 0) (#20)
    by sj on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 01:58:41 AM EST
    I'm not the wilderness type, nor do I ski, so those aren't personal attractions. Taking side trips to see the rocks while on my way to somewhere else is good enough for me. But okay. A once a year event like Sundance can't really count as a draw, imo.

    I'm still not going to look at the video.

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    Rocks? (none / 0) (#21)
    by MKS on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 03:12:22 AM EST
    The five national parks in Southern Utah are more than rocks....Good grief.

    Many, many square miles of wilderness and forest.  Vast swaths actually in the Northeastern portion of the state.

    And Sundance does not count as a draw?

    In terms of the outdoors, and that is the context of the destruction here, Utah has much more than you seem to realize.   If you are going to comment on the outdoors in Utah, well......It sounds like you got out of your car once after taking I-70 out of Denver to L.A.

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    Not really (none / 0) (#27)
    by sj on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 02:01:08 PM EST
    It's cool and all, and I'm sure it brings a ton of money into the area, which is also cool. But it is still a once a year event. If your vacation doesn't coincide with its January date, it can't really count as a draw for "average" citizens.

    And I've already said, I'm not a wilderness type. So I actually didn't comment on "the outdoors". Please reread for context. Must everyone need to enjoy the things that you do or it is somehow invalid? I didn't like the towns we went through and I was happy to leave. Just as I am happpy to leave this conversation -- where I say something and you misinterpret it just to get bellicose.

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    Utah has a lot to offer. (none / 0) (#23)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 03:36:14 AM EST
    Salt Lake City is beautiful. Given my own admitted prejudices about arguably the most stubbornly red state in the union, I was fully prepared upon my arrival there to not like it, but found myself instead both pleasantly surprised and very impressed.

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    And let's not forget, the NSA's (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Mr Natural on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:28:15 AM EST
    gargantuan new data collection center now under construction in Bluffdale.

    Sorry I don't share your glowing opinions.  Recent evidence suggests the state is an *** magnet.

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    Well, so is yours, apparently, ... (3.50 / 2) (#35)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:20:56 PM EST
    Mr Natural: "Sorry I don't share your glowing opinions [about Utah]. Recent evidence suggests the state is an * magnet."

    ... given the evidence that there's at least one resident there who's ready to dismiss an entire state, and further declare himself right and everyone else wrong.

    As long as you're riding around up there on your high horse, perhaps you'd further like to similarly disparage my state as an "a$$ magnet" because the University of Hawaii once invented Agent Orange, the island of Oahu is one of the primary operational hubs of the nation's military-industrial complex, and Booz Allen was (and still is!) using Honolulu as a base to conduct domestic surveillance on behalf of the NSA -- never mind the fact that the Kenyan Muslim fascist socialist currently squatting in the White House was supposedly born and raised here, or so some people like to claim.

    Because honestly, if you're going to be that impervious to reason in a discussion regarding the natural and cultural wonders to be found in the State of Utah, a subject about which you quite obviously know very little or nothing, then what exactly sets you apart from your average Teabagger  -- other than perhaps you don't really care to spend a two-week vacation in Wisconsin Dells or Ft. Walton Beach?

    Aloha.

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    Jeebus, Donald (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by sj on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:15:35 PM EST
    Not everyone has to be interested in the same things. Speaking of high horses.

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    Have you heard (none / 0) (#29)
    by sj on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 03:26:06 PM EST
    about the electrical problems with the NSA data collection site which has stalled the fall opening of the data center?

    Just be forewarned: when reviewing the links to attach to this comment, various articles caused my computer to freeze. Coincidence? ;)

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    "...various articles ... (none / 0) (#34)
    by unitron on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:14:22 PM EST
    ...caused my computer to freeze."

    Are you running the most recent version of Firefox (or the version just before that) by any chance?

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    Not on this computer (none / 0) (#37)
    by sj on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:06:48 PM EST
    It's on XP. I'm running the highest available, but it's a problem, no doubt.

    I just thought it was funny that articles on that particular topic were giving me fits (note, however, that lots of articles can give fits).

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    We lived in (none / 0) (#28)
    by Zorba on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 03:03:25 PM EST
    Salt Lake City for three years some time ago, while Mr. Zorba was finishing up some graduate school stuff.  I taught public school there.
    Yes, SLC is (and was) very beautiful, and one thing that I certainly appreciated was the ease of getting around.  The city is laid out in a grid, and every address has its designation on that grid.  So when you know the address of a location, you know exactly how to get there.
    And we also appreciated the magnificent skiing, wilderness hiking and camping, state and national parks, and so on.
    But, teaching in public school, I got to interact with "the locals" a whole lot more than my husband did, who was pretty insulated at the university.  They really are very nice and polite people.  But I found them totally backward politically.  You had to live there, believe me.  I understand from friends who still live there that it has gotten better, but I wold not live there again for all the tea in China.  And I will also say that I do not regret our time there.

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    I don't ... (none / 0) (#30)
    by sj on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 05:48:43 PM EST
    ...doubt it, Z.
    They really are very nice and polite people.
    Most people are, really, on an individual level. It is just hard for me to spend any real time at all around people whose thought processes are so alien to me.

    Also, don't forget, I'm brown.

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    Well, as I said, (none / 0) (#31)
    by Zorba on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 06:50:36 PM EST
    they were (and are) totally backward politically, even if they are at least superficially "nice."  Way back then, for instance, there just were not a whole he!! of a lot of black people in Salt Lake City (not terribly surprising, given the LDS church's past history regarding black people).  The Latinos were almost invisible people, at that time.  They were certainly there, they were just not acknowledged.
    It has always seemed to me that the experience of those who are brown, Latino, etc, is even worse in the West and Southwest in this country, even admitting that it isn't great in the rest of the USA.
    This whole thing is why I would never live in SLC again, and why I was glad when we were able to move away from there.
    In fact, we moved from there to San Francisco.  To the Castro district, Harvey Milk's district (he was our city supervisor).  Look him up if you don't know about him.
    Boy, was that a heck of a cultural shift!  I loved it!  What a difference that was.  Thank goodness.   ;-)

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    Many Chinese live in SLC (none / 0) (#32)
    by fishcamp on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 06:59:20 PM EST
    since they helped build the railroad that passes through.  Lotta good Chinese restaurants in SLC.  

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    Yes, but they were not (none / 0) (#33)
    by Zorba on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 07:14:04 PM EST
    anywhere near as good as the Chinese restaurants in San Francisco's Chinatown, believe me.
    In fact, compared to SF's Chinatown, SLC's Chinese restaurants were anemic and downright inferior.  IMO.
    And I got to compare them one right after the other, as it were.

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    Very true Zorba (none / 0) (#45)
    by fishcamp on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:09:45 PM EST
    in fact all the cities on the west coast have better Chinese restaurants than SLC and SF has the best.  When we were poor struggling ski racers back in the 60's we raced in the mountains near SLC and were happy to find those Chinese restaurants that seemed good enough for us mostly because they were cheap.  BTW the worst Chinese food I've had was in China

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    Actually, we thought at the time (none / 0) (#48)
    by Zorba on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 01:44:32 PM EST
    that the best of the cheaper restaurants were the Mexican restaurants.  I don't mean Taco Bell, either.  I mean those run by real Mexican-Americans.  We found one, don't even know if it's still around, where the wife handmade the tortillas back in the kitchen.  Yum!  The margaritas were cheap, too.    ;-)

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    My best friend in high school was (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Angel on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 05:47:38 PM EST
    Mexican-American and her mother made fresh tortillas daily.

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    Oh, lucky you! (none / 0) (#51)
    by Zorba on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:53:26 PM EST
    The handmade tortillas are the best!

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    I'm under no illusions about Mormons. (none / 0) (#36)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:48:41 PM EST
    We have a very substantial population of them residing here on Oahu. I do have to admire their strong sense of community, but I also recognize that's also a causal effect for their tendency to either shun outsiders or at least keep their interactions with Gentiles (non-Mormons) to the bare minimum necessary.

    My cousin was married to a Mormon and lived in first Ogden and then St. George. She says that even after nearly fifteen years' residence in Utah, she never really felt a personal sense of place or connection with the predominant Mormon culture because she's Roman Catholic. She finally gave up the ghost, admitted her unhappiness to her own self and left her husband, and returned to SoCal with her three young sons in tow four years ago.

    I'd also never live in Utah, Mme. Zorba. But I have to admit, it sure is a very nice place to visit.

    Aloha.

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    Speaking of Mormons (none / 0) (#38)
    by sj on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 09:14:13 PM EST
    When I was in the Dominican Republic a few years back, my hostesses pointed out a very large, very elaborate LDS temple with extensive grounds behind a very tall fence. They laughed and asked each other if any of them actually knew any Mormons. Out of about 7 or 8 residents, not one of them did. They laughed, shrugged and pointed out that the CIA HQ was also close by, joked some more about underground tunnels and we left. After a few more uneasy looks at the temple.

    I don't live there, so I'll take it all as a joke. But they were not at all comfortable.

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    According to a friend who lives (none / 0) (#52)
    by jondee on Tue Oct 22, 2013 at 11:16:17 AM EST
    in Utah, the Mormons there rank in the upper reaches of the nation's top ten in anti-depressant usage, plastic surgery seeking, and internet p*rn watching.

    And yes, they tend to be nice people.

     

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    You might be surprised re Latinos (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 02:23:51 PM EST
    living in Southern California. Lots of politically active home owners whose children are becoming highly educated.

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    AN AXE LENGTH AWAY, vol. 161 (none / 0) (#2)
    by Dadler on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 01:29:40 PM EST
    Link

    Apple computer people... (none / 0) (#5)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 01:51:24 PM EST
    Are you utilizing the Disc Utility app that comes with your computer.  It's a built in maintenance program that helps even though the Apple store people don't think much of it because they have mega-maintenance programs.  Open Disc Utility which is in the utility section of applications and click on the name of your computer in the left column.  Usually the 2nd item down.  That brings up  Verify Disc Permissions,  Repair Disc Permissions, and Verify Disc all of which you need to run. The first time takes a while and you will be amazed at all the stuff it repairs.  The computer will operate better and the dreaded beach ball goes away.  When it comes back run everything again.  

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    Yup, I do this regularly (none / 0) (#6)
    by ruffian on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 02:00:25 PM EST
    This utility is all most people need on their Macs. Don't be tempted to buy some 3rd party 'clean up' tool.

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    Thanks fishcamp (none / 0) (#41)
    by MO Blue on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 11:04:43 PM EST
    I never used thatfeature before. Followed your directions and the programs identified and corrected several disc permissions.

    Wow, it really made a difference on the speed. I copied the instructions for future use.

    Thanks again.

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    You're welcome MO Blue... (none / 0) (#46)
    by fishcamp on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:29:54 PM EST
    I had a feeling your MBP hard drive was getting scrambled by virtue of all your research and then terrific posts you submit.  Recently I replaced my disc HD with a solid state HD and my MBP is now lightening fast.  They are expensive but would really be worth it for you.  You can do it yourself but I had it done because I wasn't sure how to transfer all the stuff from the old to the new.  It cost $400 for a 256 gig SS HD installed.    They also make a 512 gig SS HD and a 786 gig that costs over  $1k.

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    Thanks for the info (none / 0) (#47)
    by MO Blue on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:39:23 PM EST
    I do think that you overestimated my capabilities when you said:

    You can do it yourself

    I call or text my youngest grandson for Mac lessons for dummies on a regular basis.

    Also, thank you for the kind words regarding my posts.

     

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    Well, it has been nice not having all my... (none / 0) (#7)
    by magster on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 02:44:24 PM EST
    comments deleted.

    Wooooo! Prosecutors rule the world.

    Could anything else go (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 04:17:31 PM EST
    awry today?  Parking lot machine swallowed up my credit card. Movie theatre cancelled National Theatre Live HD of Macbeth starring Kenneth Branagh. Poor sound quality.

    Sorry to hear this oculus... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 04:23:59 PM EST
    maybe go have a Cuba Libre cocktail.  We need to free those people anyway.

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    Great idea. I have mucho (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 04:28:08 PM EST
    time left at the parking lot.

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    How does a person go about (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 04:32:16 PM EST
    retrieving their credit card from a parking lot machine? Also are you anywhere that you can call and get your drinks delivered? ;o)

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    Swering at the machine was (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 05:13:02 PM EST
    ineffective. I called the phone # on the sign and was asked which state I was in. So I cancelled the credit card.

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    Good thinking oculus but... (none / 0) (#15)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 06:03:56 PM EST
    the credit card companies are relentless.  You'll probably have to flee to the Moscow airport with Snowden.  Could it be true he left all the rest of his secrets in Hong Kong.  Maybe you should flee there and be his secret secrets lawyer.  Once you've committed you can't get out you know.

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    I am sceptical he abandoned (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 19, 2013 at 08:30:12 PM EST
    his sole bargaining chip, so to speak.

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    5 police vehicles... (none / 0) (#19)
    by desertswine on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 12:31:17 AM EST
    were torched in a First Nations anti-fracking demonstration in Canada.

    Burning automobiles... (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by unitron on Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 08:26:17 AM EST
    ...doesn't strike me as being totally congruous with an anti-pollution stance.

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