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FBI Busts Online Betting Sites

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Crime in the News
Posted on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:24:49 PM EST
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LATimes:

The founders of the three largest online poker sites were indicted by the FBI on Friday in what could serve as a death blow to the thriving industry. Eleven executives at PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, Absolute Poker and a number of their affiliates were charged with bank fraud and money laundering in an indictment unsealed in a Manhattan court.

Prosecutors are seeking to immediately shut down the sites and to eventually send the executives to jail and to recover $3 billion from the companies. By Friday afternoon Full Tilt Poker’s site displayed a message explaining that “this domain name has been seized by the F.B.I. pursuant to an Arrest Warrant.”

Back to old school settling once a week, if they still exist that is. Or moving to Vegas.

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    I made a payout request (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:26:06 PM EST
    Fingers crossed.

    So did my son (none / 0) (#2)
    by Zorba on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:29:41 PM EST
    And his fingers (and toes) are crossed, too.

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    About to do the same... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:31:46 PM EST
    geez, BTD, what is it with this justice department?

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    Jamie Dimon is a great man ... . (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:35:53 PM EST


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    Heh. (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:40:10 PM EST


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    Please explain. Wiki didn't. (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:46:57 PM EST


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    One of the charges is bank fraud (none / 0) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:50:59 PM EST


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    How long does it normally take to (none / 0) (#103)
    by MO Blue on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 10:13:00 AM EST
    get your money once you cash out? IOW, how long before you know if you lost your money due to this action?

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    When I cashed out (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Dadler on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 06:49:39 PM EST
    Twice is was with checks, which arrived in a few weeks.  Last three cashouts I did with wire transfers.  They went through in a few days, as I recall.

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    My son said yesterday he was going to wait (none / 0) (#4)
    by BTAL on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:33:19 PM EST
    for a bit longer.  This would be the second time he got burnt on his balance.

    IMHO, the gaming industry (aka the existing licensed casino groups) should be allowed to set up and run these sites under the same set of controls placed on their existing slots software etc.

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    My site (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:39:01 PM EST
    has not been busted yet, but I am not waiting.

    If it blows over, I can put money back in.

    Stupidly, I put in action for tomorrow's hoops and soccer before I saw the story. No getting that back. Watch me hit all the games and never see a penny.

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    I've worked hard for that money (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:43:20 PM EST
    It's the old saying, "A hard way to make an easy living."

    I don't particularly like playing at VFW's or American Legions, but that might be my future, since I don't like the desert enough to move to Vegas.  

    Maybe Jim and I will be foils over in Tunica.

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    How far are you from Tunica? (none / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:50:30 PM EST
    You can play live in Florida.

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    The best place to (none / 0) (#86)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 09:50:58 PM EST
    play is the Commerce in LA.

    But the nut is tough. Rent is high. You might split with someone.

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    He might get lucky as he said he was using (none / 0) (#21)
    by BTAL on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:52:12 PM EST
    a new site (none of those listed) that supposedly is on an Indian reservation in Canada.  We'll see.

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    If I had a friend in high school (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:52:05 PM EST
    who played online poker, he was often quite successful. I would have thought of him when I read this story.

    I personally used to routinely lose at poker. Not enough mental bandwidth or something.

    Experience mostly (none / 0) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:54:03 PM EST
    There are prodigies of course, but mostly it is just patience imo. It can be boring, unless you are an very aggressive player, which I am not.

    I'm more upset about the sports investment side of this.

    Jeff is more effected in that sense than me if they stick to the poker angle. I could give that up without too much concern.  

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    Go bet on IBM and Coca-Cola, like (5.00 / 4) (#23)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:56:39 PM EST
    every American is expected to!

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    Heh (none / 0) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:59:41 PM EST


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    h/t Atrios (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:03:58 PM EST
    who likes to say "another exciting day at the dog track".

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    Don't laugh, (none / 0) (#76)
    by NYShooter on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 07:05:40 PM EST
     Index options......expiration Friday (3'd Friday each month) made my bet, call options S&P 100,  ($375) at 3:53. Hit "sell" button at 3:57......trade paid out $17,000 (approx)

    and you watch the action on your screen second by second.

    Nice way to go into the weekend.

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    If only I'd bought Qualcomm low (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:00:09 PM EST
    instead of high..

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    Shoulda bought Apple in 1997 (none / 0) (#32)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:02:20 PM EST
    No money then. . .

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    I haven't cashed out this year, (none / 0) (#28)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:00:53 PM EST
    because I've been bankroll building. Kind of thought of it as my last emergency fund. And I've been doing some significant building.

    If I lose it, it's like a back-room game that gets robbed. Woohoo.

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    Do you suppose this is kdog's solution (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:02:02 PM EST
    to no checking account?

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    You don't know me at all do you:)... (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by kdog on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 07:30:41 AM EST
    An offshore book is more trustworthy than Citi or the FBI, to be sure...but I wouldn't let them babysit my money either...you guys are crazy leaving your money on servers in this here den of thieves, it's not safe, as we can see.  At least my way, the pooch or myself is always between the thief and the stash...no simple keystroke can swipe it.

    I only made one nice score online, my WSOP seat in '06...I took all that cash off immediately  It became such a pain to load money on after UIGEA that I've hardly played online.

    I must check with some surely panicked friends this morning...Uncle Sam the Bandit strikes again.  Somebody tell Sam he could tax and regulate online gaming and make billions over time, instead of puling a heist here and there in a morally bankrupt manner.

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    We no longer believe in taxes or (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by MO Blue on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 10:08:58 AM EST
    real regulations here in the good old U.S. of A. Cuts to services and select (very, very select) high profile arrests are in - taxes and regulations are out.

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    Answers that question! (none / 0) (#104)
    by oculus on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 02:03:01 PM EST


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    Heh (none / 0) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:02:23 PM EST
    You're too funny!

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    I cash out once a month (none / 0) (#39)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:04:37 PM EST
    But I put more in for the NBA playoffs.

    Suffice it to say, I'm hoping I get that back.

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    Glad I quit while I was way ahead (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:04:19 PM EST
    Ran my $7.50 freeroll win into twelve grand, almost all of which went in the bank.  And paid my taxes on all of it, Mr. Fed.  

    And good luck, BTD (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:06:00 PM EST
    I think you're gonna need it.

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    I thought it was you who did that. (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:08:03 PM EST
    I've been playing in the 5-10 limit Omaha hi-lo games.

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    You're a real player (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:33:01 PM EST
    I was temporarily insane, I think.  My online "career" actually came to an end, when I look back, with probably the worst fold I have ever made.  But I had pocket jacks, what do you expect?  And I was playing online with dopes.  Not a good combination.  That hand just killed my mojo.  And I went back to working on my book.  Now at least I won't be tempted online again anytime soon.

    Best of luck, my man, and may many big pots come your way.

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    Jacks,,, (none / 0) (#70)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:38:16 PM EST
    Pocket JAcks... three ways to play them, and all three are wrong.

    Burned by jacks is painful. I'm sure you'll be back, you have the patience to grind.

    I prefer the limit cash games for grinding, I don't know why. Sometimes some PL Omaha H/l, usually friday nights. Tactical... more drunks play looser on Friday nights.

    Let's see if I have a site to play on.

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    BTW, I loved my FullTilt player name (none / 0) (#107)
    by Dadler on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 07:13:41 PM EST
    Roy L. Phlush

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    Maybe J will sell TL for lots of $$, (5.00 / 0) (#54)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:13:19 PM EST
    which she will share with BTD although not legally obligated to do so.  

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    She is now (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:14:15 PM EST
    she made an offer and I accepted.

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    I certainly did (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 10:02:50 PM EST
    That check for $300 mil should arrive any day, don't you think?

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    heh (none / 0) (#57)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:16:38 PM EST


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    I think I'm screwed (none / 0) (#44)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:07:58 PM EST


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    Good for you (none / 0) (#40)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:05:05 PM EST


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    a month and a half of fulltime play (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:09:56 PM EST
    started out as a little experiment, turned into a relentless grind.  all but made my head explode.  though many capillaries in my eyes burst.

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    I play for "fun" (none / 0) (#52)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:12:28 PM EST
    But it really is a bit of a grind.

    Jeff does it as an income stream, I sort of pass the time.

    I actually invest much much more on sporting events.

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    I can tell (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:25:37 PM EST
    Funny story, but my buddy who's a big TV exec in LA, he actually lost money on a University of San Diego game that now looks to be fixed.  That's why hoops seems a dicey sport to bet on.  Football is much harder to manipulate.  That said, my USD Toreros, wow, what a mess. When it's the school's all time leading scorer who's shaving, damn, that's just awful.  Watched the kid play his whole career from row 6, just an odd feeling.  

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    SEC fooball is never fixedt (none / 0) (#62)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:28:03 PM EST
    The pay is too good . . .

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    Heh... (none / 0) (#64)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:30:15 PM EST


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    Immed. after the headlines I got an e-mail from (none / 0) (#78)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 07:09:56 PM EST
    USD admin. admonishing me, as an alum, all communications w/media must go through USD press office!  Whatever happened to the First Amendment?

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    Did you ever play in the Commerce?? (none / 0) (#75)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 07:02:34 PM EST


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    never played much live (none / 0) (#98)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 11:17:13 PM EST
    and only drove by commerce.  one of these days we can smoke the peace pipe and you can show me the live game ropes.  i do have a degree in theatre, so i should be able to yap it up pretty well to my advantage, but i sweat too much, i get a tick, i think i'd be chum.

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    Twelve grand? (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:07:16 PM EST
    Holy frig!  I'd be lucky to win twelve cents.

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    my acute OCD helped (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:11:06 PM EST
    ;-)

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    Amazing. (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:10:27 PM EST


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    Did you write this up for the Reader? (none / 0) (#50)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:11:17 PM EST


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    Never did (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:27:56 PM EST
    Thought about it.  I still may pitch it to them.  

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    I have been thinking about you (none / 0) (#55)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:14:04 PM EST
    while reading this post and wondering if you took your money out while you were still ahead.

    Good for you.

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    Ran good to the end... (none / 0) (#101)
    by kdog on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 07:34:16 AM EST
    good sh*t Dadler...you still had the horseshoe up your arse and didn't even know it.  

    Lady Luck...so mysterious.

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    And the Wall Street Guys and Oil Co. guys... (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:20:00 PM EST
    ...and all our other untaxed financial masters are just laughing their aces off.  "You dopes never had the juice to REALLY game the system."

    Actually true (none / 0) (#59)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:23:04 PM EST
    The online betting guys have spread a lot of money around DC but clearly not enough.

    I know guys who lobbied for them. I was going to go to an event with the Professor himself, Lederer, but I did not make it.

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    Interesting (none / 0) (#63)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:29:57 PM EST
    Wonder what all those pros are thinking.  Probably not much, they're all playing big cash games anyway.

    Gonna be strange to see a WSOP without guys plastered with online ads all over them.

     

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    Lederer and his sister (none / 0) (#65)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:31:40 PM EST
    really wanted the imprimatur of legality. It's big business - billions.

    Almost as big as porn.

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    Yep... (none / 0) (#68)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:34:48 PM EST
    This is going to crush a lot of late-night programming, also.

    Lederer and Annie Duke, the sister, along with a number of others, have been trying to put a new, non-mob face on poker.

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    Their Dad is big on public radio (none / 0) (#79)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 07:12:28 PM EST
    re words and expressions and the origins of same.  Published author.

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    Richard Lederer, right? (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 11:13:31 PM EST
    A Way with Words, one of the original hosts, I think. Used to love that show.  Still on with other hosts, my son actually listens in bed sometimes on his Ipod.  I could do worse than having a ten year-old who listens to A Way with Words.  Wants to read DANGEROUS WATERS now, the biography of Mark Twain as a boy and teenager.  Kid's gonna outbrain me any day now.

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    Quite encouraging I'd say. The kid I tutor turned (none / 0) (#99)
    by oculus on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 12:36:21 AM EST
    13 today.  He is into the Alex Rider series by Anthony Horowitz.  So good to see the kid devouring a book.  

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    I have no doubt (none / 0) (#69)
    by Dadler on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:37:30 PM EST
    Way more obscene than porn, at times, too.

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    I think Barney Frank has been working (none / 0) (#74)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:58:04 PM EST
    on repeal. No shot these days, though.

    I wonder if Obama would sign in term II?

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    yet ANOTHER reason the FBI would NEVER hire me (5.00 / 0) (#82)
    by seabos84 on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 08:35:08 PM EST
    all the boyz of goldman walk, and they bust people betting on barry bonds or jacks are wild? whatever.

    I'm 51 & I've lived through 3 (THREE) totally crooked bubbles: First, Raygun & the savings and loans & leveraged buyouts. Second, the dot.bomb. Third, the CDO MBS nonsense.

    IF I walked down the street and ripped off 50 people, (without getting the crap kicked outta me by an irate crowd), I'd end up doing time - DESERVEDLY - and it wouldn't be 2 years at club fed with a gig at UCLA when I left (Michael Milken anyone?). At least with the current thievery they haven't wasted our time with phake prosecution kabuki, and have just let the corruption be defined as "legal" ... ha ha ha.

    How could you take your job seriously working for the "Justice" Department when the slimeballs of AIG, the charlatans of the bond rating agencies, and the criminal stock analysts not only walk, they get rich!

    and you gotta harass people betting on Serena's latest outfit ... or whatever they're betting on.

    what a wa$te.

    rmm.  

    Lived in the midst of the S$L bubble (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by Rojas on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 11:15:08 PM EST
    Them boys needed someone to see that some things actually got built. Never forget the sign in the S$L president's bathroom, an admonishment to the goldman rule, those with the gold make the rules... At the time I thought it just a vulgar,  rich redneck joke. That was back around 86. I'm much wiser now. Them boys were on to something...

    I never figured 25 years later I'd be setting in a hotel on the 23rd floor overlooking the coastline of Hong Kong after another week of teaching the Chinese how to make what everyone says we can't make anymore. Once again, just another tool in the latest rich mans con game.

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    What you say is true, except (none / 0) (#83)
    by Peter G on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 09:11:05 PM EST
    there is no "Club Fed."  A very unfortunate myth.  It is no fun to be in any form of federal incarceration, including minimum security.  That moniker for the minimum security "camps" can be traced to some bad magazine journalism and careless, tongue-in-cheek comments by a few white collar criminal defense lawyers some years ago.

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    and how many charles colsons, john deans (none / 0) (#90)
    by seabos84 on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 10:24:08 PM EST
    and michael milkens come out to LOT$ LOT$ more than I'd ever come out to?

    oh, boo freaking hoo, they're disgraced and their high powered rolodex don't work anymore -

    they ain't walking out to a graveyard job at 7-11, sleeping next to junkies, meth cookers and crack heads.

    rmm.

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    What you say may be true in some cases, (none / 0) (#105)
    by Peter G on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 02:30:01 PM EST
    Seabos, but in most it is not (in my experience).  Colson and Dean, by the way (Watergate conspirators) served time about 35 years ago; Milken almost 20 years ago.  Hardly a refutation of my comment about the conditions of federal minimum security institutions today.  There are plenty of sites out there giving accurate information.  Here's one; here's another.  You could check 'em out, if you're interested.

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    Do you have a math or science background, cuz (none / 0) (#108)
    by seabos84 on Mon Apr 18, 2011 at 07:42:15 AM EST
    you're REALLY missing the real point of "Club Fed".

    "Club Fed" is a generalization, slang.

    Does Martha Steward or any of those white collar slimeballs end up in the kind of place I'd end up in? The kind of place where I could get the s##t beat out of me cuz some psycho murderer wants the peas on my dinner tray - daily.

    While I'll grant that for ripping off 50 people in the neighborhood, I MIGHT not get sent to the toughest meanest place, however, IF they did play hardball with me, AFTER they've froze and they've taken all my assets, where will be my "justice" with NO money?

    Just because there is NOT a place which has "Club Fed" over the door doesn't mean that Martha and the rest of them get it easy - COMPARED to the rest of us serfs.

    I'm sure they come out and say how terrible and how horrible it was - the horror helps the redemption story and helps the saleability of the redemption story & interviews - and it probably was horrible to NOT be surrounded by luxury and by toadies - THEY AIN'T POUNDING ROCKS ON A CHAIN GANG FOR 20 YEARS, which is what they deserve.

    Have YOU ever been in a fist fight or handcuffed? This ain't some theoretical legal eagle philosophy stuff.

    rmm.

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    Actually, some of the toughest meanest places (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Rojas on Mon Apr 18, 2011 at 03:05:22 PM EST
    are underfunded and poorly staffed county lockups. Of course a large proportion of those folks are pretrial. It's the place you find single mothers serving time for small time check fraud and possession charges, struggling teenagers serving out sentences for traffic fines and some of the most brutal offenders imaginable.

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    Didn't Martha Stewart go to a (none / 0) (#91)
    by nycstray on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 10:33:36 PM EST
    "Club Fed"? I think she's said consistently it's (where ever she went) no picnic.

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    Such perverse timing. Don't y'all have (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:44:21 PM EST
    off-track betting?

    We don't even have bingo in Alabama... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:46:38 PM EST
    We do have dog tracks, but I like cards.

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    You would enjoy the play I just saw: (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:57:05 PM EST
    "Good People."  Frances McDormand, Estelle Parsons, and two others can keep track of numerous Bingo cards and talk all at the same time.  (There's more to it than Bingo though.)

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    I could go play live (none / 0) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:48:37 PM EST
    But honestly, I do not want to see actual people.

    More importantly for me, I am a sports bettor and the only place you can bet sports legally is Nevada.

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    5 odd hours to Tunica, (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:58:39 PM EST
    after I move back to Auburn next month, the tracks in florida and casinos in Philadelphia MS will be closest.

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    That s*cks (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:01:24 PM EST


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    What's in Auburn? (none / 0) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:13:04 PM EST
    You interested in teaching at Fort Rucker for GS wages?  My husband asked if you were in the GS system yesterday?

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    Family home/farm nearby (none / 0) (#66)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:32:35 PM EST
    and no rent... a chance to look around, see what's out there for an old guy other than saying hello at Wal mart... Let me know when the hiring freeze ends at Rucker, please!

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    Things are very jumble up (none / 0) (#92)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 10:35:59 PM EST
    right now and they are working hard to sort some things out.  I'm going to email you my phone number to call me this weekend.  You have teaching experience and they are beginning to put a lot of emphasis on that because it is being acknowledged that it is a key component to quality instruction.  There was another factor in your history that I think you shared with me too that they are looking for that would put you up front when applying for many of the teaching slots that will be showing up.  It is a huge bummer though right now because they have a "hiring freeze" in that new jobs will not be created, so different branches are fighting over the existing slots.  They hire someone for a specific slot, and then it seems like shortly after that there is a fight over who owned the slot, and it is moved elsewhere and they have to rehire for the job again under a different slot that I guess existed but was hanging out in oblivion or something.  I don't understand it all very well but my husband does and he can explain things to you a lot better.  Even with a hiring freeze, we have soldiers deploying leaving teaching slots and certain commands arguing for their positions to be converted to civilian and some of them are being given a hard look at.  

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    The only casinos in FL (none / 0) (#71)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:45:14 PM EST
    that have limit games are in the Ft Lauderdale area. All others have no limit only.

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    I can play no limit, (none / 0) (#73)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:48:34 PM EST
    but I guess this means Philadelphia for me more than florida.

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    I can but I hate NL (none / 0) (#77)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 07:06:54 PM EST
    for the ring games. Like it for tournaments.

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    Ya got that bad Bingo on post here and on base (none / 0) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:09:19 PM EST
    in Montgomery.  You'll have to beat all the retirees back with a golfclub to get a seat though.....and hope they didn't bring their golfclubs too :)

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    Ronnie Gilley isn't making a comeback though (none / 0) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:11:28 PM EST
    He's behind bars and all of his stuff is being foreclosed on.  As soon as he gets out though, he'll rise from the ashes.  He is the Donald Trump of Enterprise Alabama :)

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    If (none / 0) (#81)
    by CoralGables on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 08:23:12 PM EST
    he pays off the judges the way he paid off the politicians he may find a way out.

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    They sold all the stuff out of his furniture (none / 0) (#93)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 10:39:33 PM EST
    store for a song before the creditors came about a month ago.  And his new office, which is really a gorgeous building and is only about a year old, has a foreclosure sign out front.  I don't know how his subdivisions are doing.  He had two restaurants here that were open last year, but he closed those when Country Crossings hit that first speed bump.

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    Not for sports (none / 0) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:46:52 PM EST
    only the ponies.

    In theory they are just busting poker sites, but I don't know what thatmeans for other type of online betting.

    In any event, I'm out of it for a while.

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    Oh no. Back to non-stop "The Deal." (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:47:46 PM EST


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    The "New" Deal you mean (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:49:21 PM EST


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    The Bad deal." (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:51:29 PM EST


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    Yep (none / 0) (#19)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:52:02 PM EST


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    Heh (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:01:13 PM EST
    Now you don't even have your online betting to keep your mind off the "bad deal". :(

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    I thinkNealB was behind this . . . (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:02:28 PM EST


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    ROTFLMAO (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:03:54 PM EST
    Boy, this is a witty thread!

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    Laugh or cry (5.00 / 0) (#42)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:06:45 PM EST
    for some of us.

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    True and that's odd (none / 0) (#72)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:47:11 PM EST
    because when the law was passed everyone thought it was to stop sports betting.

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    My husband (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:03:11 PM EST
    says that I have my daddy's luck with poker and gambling but darn it, I'm really not sure enough of myself to roll with the big guys.

    Anybody have a copy of the complaint itself? (none / 0) (#84)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 09:16:19 PM EST
    News sites have an irritating habit of describing legal proceedings without linking to the primary documents. It doesn't help that the DOJ has a press release up, and nothing more.

    I do, I'll post it (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 10:03:55 PM EST
    give me a few minutes to upload it.

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    the indictment is (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 10:39:48 PM EST
    here. It's big, so it may take a few seconds to load.

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    Thanks! (none / 0) (#89)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 10:13:28 PM EST


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    Erm, *indictment* (none / 0) (#85)
    by andgarden on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 09:16:57 PM EST


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    so these other guys were busted first (none / 0) (#95)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 10:40:45 PM EST
    in 2010 and it looks like they ratted and I think I'll write a new post about this part.

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