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Obama Connects Spending Cuts To Debt Ceiling

Earlier this week. Jed Lewison of daily kos wrote that the White House had called the GOP Bluff on the Debt Ceiling. Today, President Obama made Lewison look rather foolish:

[Obama] warned that anything less would undermine the solvency of the government, roil financial markets and potentially "plunge the world economy back into a recession." Yet when pressed on how the stalemate with House Speaker John Boehner would end, Obama said: "I think he's absolutely right that it's not going to happen without some spending cuts."

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    Gosh, what a shock - sure didn't (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:05:37 PM EST
    see this coming...

    Wednesday's speech was a sop to the so-called base, just more words devoid of meaning.

    There just was never any reason, as far as I was concerned, to think that someone with Obama's track record was going to all-of-a-sudden find his inner liberal Democrat: that's just not who he is, or where he is comfortable.

    I'm getting really tired of the insult-to-my-intelligence that is the Obama method of governance: give a speech to placate the liberals, and then do what he planned to do all along.

    He might as well have stood up there on Wednesday and said, "pull my finger."

    Believe it or not (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:08:00 PM EST
    While I think Obama makes a mistake here, I think Lewison's mistake is the more obvious one.

    There was no line in the sand statement from the WH and it was silly to act as if there was one.

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    There is almost never a line-in-the-sand (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Anne on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:21:27 PM EST
    statement from the WH; Lewison makes the same mistake a lot of people make, and that is in drawing the conclusion they wish Obama was headed for, and not the one where his track record indicates he will go.

    It has to be embarrasing in some ways for people like Lewison to have to confront how wrong they get things where Obama is concerned; you'd think that after more than two years as president, they'd be less likely to keep falling into the same trap.

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    I find it ironic but sad that (5.00 / 5) (#7)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:35:10 PM EST
    many of the people who devoted huge amounts of band width citing the Democrats continually falling for the "Lucy and the football" ploy continually fall for the same ploy with Obama.

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    And they're probably falling for a (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by observed on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:39:36 PM EST
    behind the scenes "alley-oop" assist play too.
    It's no accident that Obama has sent two strong signals he's with the teabaggers, right after giving his speech to placate the Left.

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    I would (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:07:28 PM EST
    give you a 100 for that comment if I could!

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    Us (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:06:11 PM EST
    "smart guys" at TL never bought into it because of Obama's history but it sure picked up the spirits of the orange crowd. Too bad they're going to crash now.

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    I didn't believe what he said but (none / 0) (#11)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:19:50 PM EST
    I have to admit it did sound nice to actually hear him talk like a Democrat some of the time during the speech.

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    Funny you should say that (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by NYShooter on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 07:31:10 PM EST
    I haven't only been skeptical with Obama's pronouncements, more like Cynical. But the speech the other day got to me too; I said to myself, "something's different here." Did he finally reach critical mass in being beaten up by the liberals AND the Tea Party? Had he finally had enough?

    I started writing a post to that effect........but I just couldn't hit the "post" button.

    My "inner GWB" got to me, "trust your gut."

    You remember "Colombo" on TV a while back? He and his partner were recreating the perp's moves on the day of his crime. And, on Fridays the guy always picked up his dry cleaning, but not this Friday. (or something like that.) His partner said, "coincidence, no big deal." But Colombo didn't believe that, and had a saying when something didn't add up,

    "Nah, people tend to do what they tend to do."

    Obama.....delete

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    exactly (5.00 / 4) (#13)
    by kempis on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 07:06:34 PM EST
    And it was painful to see the premature "Happy Days are Here Again" celebrations at DK.

    It was a good speech, sounding downright progressive at times.

    But Obama has a history of sounding progressive and then turning around and signing off on policies that favor the wealthy at the expense of the working class.

    Frustrated by this pattern, I stopped listening after his big health care address--which I thought was wonderful and fairly progressive-- and which he may as well not have given considering the final results.

    I wait to see what he does. The gap between his rhetoric and the reality of what he'll agree to is too, too wide for me.

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    P.S. (none / 0) (#14)
    by kempis on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 07:09:15 PM EST
    I also usually skip Jed's posts at DK. Sometimes he's Blackwaterdog without the huge photos.

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    He's in campaign mode (none / 0) (#41)
    by BrassTacks on Mon Apr 18, 2011 at 02:49:48 AM EST
    That's what it sounds like to me.

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    Jed heralded the budget deal as (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by inclusiveheart on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 08:16:02 PM EST
    being a great accomplishment for Dems.  I challenged that notion - I understand what a shutdown does - was here in DC for the last one where just about everyone is affected - but I take issue with that deal being sold as a "win".  It should have been spun as a "necessary evil" rather than some sort of accomplishment.  That's what Clinton did when he called their bluff and he won.  This spin that the budget negotiation results are "wins" for Democrats is flawed top to bottom.  But, I guess, if all you care about are legislative notches in your belt and getting deals through no matter how problematic, then these things can be spun as "wins".

    Terribly depressing, really.

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    Certainly, the statement (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by KeysDan on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 07:16:10 PM EST
    made Mr. Lewison look foolish, but not as much as it made the president himself look foolish.  And, it is not a good look.  After setting forth the dire consequences (even the potential to do so) of refusing to raise the debt ceiling, Mr. Obama goes on to forcefully agree with John Boehner on its being tied to budget cutting--just another leveraging akin to wrangling over cuts to avoid governmental shut downs.   Mr. Obama should have stuck with and expanded upon the seriousness of the issue at a critical time in the country's economic life and during engagements in foreign conflicts. A presidential look would be preferred.

    Reelction? (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 01:56:05 PM EST
    If  Obama's strategy is to try and convince the voters that he's the adult in the food fight of DC, he isn't succeeding. His poll numbers are in the low 40's.

    The people he needs to convince are Democrats. They're the people that will reelect him. If he hasn't realized that he can never satisfy the Republicans, he has no business being in the WH.

    The Republicans have seen him cave on issue after issue. They aren't about to stop the steam roller now.

    What scares me is that if the Republicans put up a wacky tea bagger, Obama will win. Then the spin will be that his ten steps to the right approach for the Democrats is a mandate from the people.

    BTD, do you still believe Obama is (none / 0) (#3)
    by observed on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:12:37 PM EST
    a wimp/ poor negotiator?
    Remember how he backed Baucus early on for writing a health care bill? Because of that, Obama largely got the bill he wanted.
    I wouldn't be surprised if Obama is coordinating with Republicans over these announcements.. because there is no Democrat conservative enough for him, and because the GOP controls the House.

    Does it matter? (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:16:57 PM EST
    What I believe I mean.

    I am calling for reality based analysis.

    What motivates Obama in terms of policy may be of interest to some folks. I am not one of them.

    His actions now are all about what helps him, in his view, to get reelected.

    That's how pols act. All of them.

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    Fair enough. It seems that he believes (none / 0) (#6)
    by observed on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 05:21:41 PM EST
    working with Republicans ---even giving in to them---will make him appear reasonble to the people whose votes he need; taking the Democratic support for granted.
    Given how far right he is willing to go with this strategy, what is the best response from the Left?

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    Just (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 06:20:34 PM EST
    curious. Do you think it will work? I'm doubtful simply because there will NEVER be enough cuts for the GOP especially the tea party people.

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    I agree with BTD (none / 0) (#20)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 11:21:23 PM EST
    on this mostly.  But I am quite curious what the F it is Obama thinks he's doing in his own head because it makes no sense to me so much of the time.

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    you ask what Obama thinks (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by NYShooter on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 02:15:10 AM EST
     in his own head about what he's doing? I'll tell you. He's thinking, "Boy, if "they," his disillusioned "base," had any idea how hard this is, or how much more I got than I thought I could, they'd appreciate me a lot more.

    The reason for that is, he's a rank amateur, and he has no background or experience in how the real pro's do it.

    Bear with me for a second. I was a pretty good baseball player in high school; all-state, even got a scholarship to a major sports college. Anyway, having been raised in the Bronx I used to look forward to chaperoning a bunch of underprivileged kids  to Yankee Stadium when the Bombers held their "open-tryout" event. (No one ever "made it," but that wasn't the point anyway.) To make a long story short, you try standing three feet away from Derek Jeter as he scoops up a ground ball and rockets it to 1'st base and tell me, "yeah, I can do that." Those guys are unconscious, if you practiced 16 hours a day, every day of your life, you couldn't carry their jock straps. I've also driven race-ready formula 1 (Nascar) autos, and played golf with top tier golf pros in pro-am events. The same goes for them, I didn't belong in the same state as them.

    And this is the great national nightmare we're living through. "You get what you pay for." We hired an undeveloped, disinterested, failure of a ne'er do well (GWB) and see what we got. And, with Obama, we got a smart, overly ambitious, hustler, totally unprepared and unsuited for the great job we asked him to do.

    With the Republicans, its like taking candy from a baby, and with the Democrats, they also sense "there's nobody in charge and this may be the best chance we get to "get ours too." He's bullsh!tted his way all through life, but now he's in Yankee Stadium, and bullsh!t don't work here.

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    Well (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 08:19:26 AM EST
    my point really is I'm sure that Obama thinks he's doing what will get him reelected but whether that actually jives with reality is another thing.

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    What spending cuts is Obama talking about? (none / 0) (#18)
    by Edger on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 08:33:28 PM EST
    CBO: Budget deal cuts 2011 deficit by $352 million, not $38 billion promised, April 14, RawStory

    WASHINGTON - The budget deal struck last Friday to avert a government shutdown cuts the fiscal 2011 deficit by just $352 million, not the $38 billion touted by both parties, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

    A CBO analysis found Wednesday that the measure negotiated by President Barack Obama and House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) to fund the government through September would yield less than one-100th of the deficit savings touted.

    The study confirms that the resolution cuts federal spending authority by $38 billion, but concludes that most of the money was unlikely to be spent anyway.

    The CBO figure was achieved after clearing the smoke and mirrors, by adjusting for savings that are likely to occur in a future year, spending increases elsewhere in the budget, and the hike in the military budget.

    When factoring in war funding, the analysis found that the legislation could even increase total federal outlays by $3.3 billion from 2010 levels.



    Hey, he is a better negotiator than I thought (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by ruffian on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 07:27:00 AM EST
    Next time maybe he'll give up 50 billion in fake cuts. Fine with me.

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    Amusing (1.50 / 2) (#27)
    by Politalkix on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 10:53:33 AM EST
    Follow the link to Red State
    I almost started to think that Anne, Ga6thDem, MOBlue and others had changed teams and taken over the Red State blog. Quite a bit of handwringing about caving in to Obama", Boehner has to go", Republican leadership being empty suits, folding to Democrats, what Peleosi would do if she was in Boehner's chair at this time, etc.

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    Not all the cuts are inconsequential (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by MO Blue on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 12:49:12 PM EST
    regardless of what story line that is being bantered about. There were real cuts to programs that people rely on for basic needs. This legislation passed in the House with a 260-167 vote in which most Republicans supported it and most Democrats opposed it. Seems like you are casting your vote on the same side as the Republicans.

    So I'm not real sure what team you are on except maybe the "O" team. And no I haven't changed what issues I care about. Your "O" team just took a whole lot of funding away from services such as WIC, Community Health Centers, special education and specific education programs that help students from disadvantaged communities which might be why most of the Democratic members in the House opposed this legislation.

    Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC): $504 million less than 2010 budget and $855 million than 2011 budget request.

    Community health centers: $600 million less than 2010 budget and $890 million less than 2011 budget request.

    Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program: $390 million less than 2010 budget and $590 million less than 2011 budget request.

    Here are a few more:

    # Community oriented policing services (COPS): $296 million

    # Green jobs innovation fund: $40 million

    # Dislocated worker assistance: $125 million

    # Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMSHA): $45 million

    # Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA): $49 million

    # IDEA (special education): $16 million

    # Infectious disease prevention: $277 million

    # National Institutes of Health: $260 million

    Here is a link that will allow you to actually see the line by line cuts to education, housing and other domestic programs.

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    Please get over this urge to label people (1.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Politalkix on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 01:40:32 PM EST
    my post was quite light-hearted.
    I never said that every cut was "inconsequential".
     

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    Maybe you should take your own advise (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by MO Blue on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 03:20:29 PM EST
    and get over the urge to label people. You ever so "lightheartedly" questioned what team I am on and whether or not I had taken over the Red State blog yet seem to object to me my questioning your team allegiance.

    Most people get over the tendency to use the "just kidding" - "can't you take a joke" routine once they leave high school.  

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    Fine (1.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Politalkix on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 03:40:49 PM EST
    Have your say, label away
    I will just stay out of your way!

    Happy now?


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    Sounds like a great idea (none / 0) (#35)
    by MO Blue on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 04:05:09 PM EST
    You stop assigning labels to me and I will not turn your labeling back on you.  

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    Well (none / 0) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 10:57:52 AM EST
    you only have history to go on and Obama has a history of caving. Right? He's also proven that his word is no good time and again so what's to debate on that.

    But now he's back to saying that he's going to make cuts in Social Security so is he lying this time or last time? It's really hard to know because he never really draws a line in the sand.

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    Ha I love that. (none / 0) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 11:01:02 AM EST
    It sounds just like Obama. I can't do this or that because of x, y, or z. ABG is always saying we can't do something because the GOP won't like it.

    All this just lends credence to the view that it's just kabuki theater for both parties.

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    I know! (none / 0) (#26)
    by Edger on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 09:59:21 AM EST
    The guy blows me away.

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    Cost of raising debt ceiling (none / 0) (#19)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 08:55:29 PM EST
    There's talk that the McCaskill-Corker spending cap will be the cost of raising the debt ceiling. This would be, to put it simply, completely insane. Spending caps are bad policy, and the McCaskill-Corker spending cap -- which holds spending to 21.5 percent of GDP, or three percentage points lower than it is right now -- is a badly designed spending cap. But beyond all that, it's laughable to posit it as a compromise: It's arguably the most radically conservative reform that could be made to the federal budget. More extreme, by far, than Paul Ryan's plan.
    ...
    The virtue of a spending cap is that by focusing on only one contributor to debt, it admits only one solution to it: spending cuts. Savage ones. The Corker-McCaskill proposal is so aggressive that there are years when even Paul Ryan's budget, with all its fantastical assumptions and hard caps, wouldn't qualify. "You put McCaskill-Corker into law," says Bob Greenstein, president of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, "and progressive policy is dead for the next quarter-century." link


    Those two names (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Apr 15, 2011 at 11:23:30 PM EST
    on the bill tell you all you need to know about whether it's a sane (or even intelligently thought out) idea or not, IMO.

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    Real brain trust, those two (none / 0) (#24)
    by ruffian on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 07:28:24 AM EST
    The Revenue & Spending Problem (none / 0) (#36)
    by Politalkix on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 07:59:24 PM EST
    Tea Party: There is no revenue problem, it is a spending problem.
    Liberals: There is no spending problem, it is a revenue problem.
    And never the twain shall meet.
    Meanwhile the gang of six continue their work. Or so says the NY Times.....
    link

    Even Raul Castro is saying (none / 0) (#37)
    by Politalkix on Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 10:16:47 PM EST
    what is taboo on this blog

    "No country or person can spend more than they have," Mr. Castro told 1,000 delegates gathered for the party congress, which is expected to yield broad changes in the Cuban system before it concludes on Tuesday. "Two plus two is four. Never five, much less six or seven, as we have sometimes pretended."

    link


    NObody (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Apr 17, 2011 at 06:50:31 AM EST
    here is saying spend more than you have. Look Michelle Bachmann said that the cuts were for "defuding the Left" so the GOP really isn't interested in solving the problem.

    I would have thought that Obama mainly made a good deal IF he had to take 38B in spending cuts for getting out of the middle east.

    Right now the cuts are just to the poor in this country. There is a lot of waste but NO ONE was looking at that and Obama even accepted an increase in the military budget.

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    "Even" Raul Castro? So, now (none / 0) (#39)
    by Anne on Sun Apr 17, 2011 at 09:36:27 AM EST
    we're all supposed to say, "oh, okay, well, if Raul Castro says we can't spend more than we have, that's it - we can't?"

    The US is not a household budget writ large; we are sovereign in our own currency, and can and should spend to reverse the downward spiral that results in job loss, further decrease in demand, further loss of revenue.  

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    Isn't it just peachy that (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by MO Blue on Sun Apr 17, 2011 at 10:00:09 AM EST
    now dictators are selectively being used to validate Obama's policies.

    Can't remember Cuba being used to justify Obama's health insurance policies.

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