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Friday Morning Open Thread

End of year swampage plus deadlines.

Here are some bowl picks: Tulsa -1½ over BYU (5 units), Iowa State -1 over Rutgers (5 units), Mississippi State -7 over Wake Forest (3 units), Oklahoma -14 over Iowa (4 units.)

BTW, the Okla State line has moved from 3 1/2 to 4 1/2. It'll be 6 by game time. Make your investment early if you like Okla State, as I do (best bet in a long time imo.)

Open thread.

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    people have deadlines this week? (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by CST on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 10:28:12 AM EST
    The office has been so slow this week it's not even funny, so thanks TL for keeping me entertained.  I think most of our clients are out on vacation.  Not to mention half of our own staff.  Personally, I'd rather be busy.  There is nothing like slow days at work to make the time drag.

    They should have just closed the office :)

    Tell me about it... (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:31:54 AM EST
    deader than dead in the plumbing supply world...and the worst part for me is the little business that does come up is the real crap business...rga requests on ancient sh*t the mfg doesn't want back, requests for sh*t the mfg's handle but since the mfg is closed we're supposed wave a magic wand and "do something!"...and I am waiting for the annual "your p.o.s. water heater is leaking and I'm having a NYE party" phone call 10 minutes to close.

    I think we're open just to have an ear for various whines aka for appearances...nothing is shipping so nothing is billing so not even any profit for the bossman to go with that whine.

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    I do (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 10:33:08 AM EST
    Filing 2 summary judgment briefs in different cases today.

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    The lighter side of summary judgment briefs (none / 0) (#5)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:05:41 AM EST
    Via Civil Procedure & Federal Courts Blog here's a funny story from June 2011 about the Dallas Mavericks and lawsuits filed by Ross Perot Jr. against Mark Cuban over disputes about money after selling him the team but keeping 5%.

    Enjoy ;-)

    Mark Cuban Files The Ultimate "F**k You" Legal Brief

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    An actual photo in the brief (none / 0) (#33)
    by MKS on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:33:14 PM EST
    What has the world come to....

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    Well played Cuban Legal Team... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:43:38 PM EST
    but I bet Ross Perot Jr. only measures successful management in profits sucked out of the team, not in championships like Mr. Cuban.

    Please Mark Cuban buy the Mets!  No salary cap!  The Big Apple! Loyal fanbase desperate for a quality owner!

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    Everyone (none / 0) (#18)
    by AngryBlackGuy on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 12:48:45 PM EST
    wants to close their deals today in the corporate world.

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    No school (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 10:55:23 AM EST
    Stateside soldiers on half days, or home all day like today.  Everyone is home

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    I used to like working this week (none / 0) (#7)
    by nycstray on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:30:26 AM EST
    with everyone gone, I could organize my office, computer, files etc. and get set up for the next several rounds of crazy that were sitting on the horizon :)  

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    You bet. (none / 0) (#12)
    by Towanda on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 12:01:29 PM EST
    My own deadline to be halfway through my book mss.

    And it looks like I'm going to do it! if I can just put down my new IPad that allows me to read so many books, for free, and without a trip to the library in lousy weather for the last few days.  

    I'm taking tips on sites for access to free books.  I've collected half a dozen but welcome more . . . to investigate on New Year's Day, as a reward to myself if I put down the IPad to meet my deadline for finishing the last few pages of my chapter in progress.  This is difficult, as I am enamored of my favorite Christmas present.  (Btw, it's actually a loaner IPad 2, as the present really is a promise of an IPad 3, whee!)

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    You may be able to download e-books (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 12:29:16 PM EST
    through your library's website to Kindle app. on iPad.  According to my technologically astute bro.  

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    Thanks, yes, that's a next step (none / 0) (#20)
    by Towanda on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 12:53:22 PM EST
    as I have found the instructions to do so on my local public library's site.  It's surprisingly complicated, though, at least at my local library, compared to the simplicity via other sites.

    But I'll add your bro's recommendation to others who like their libraries' ebook offerings.  After all, I never have gone wrong on recommendations from you or our honorary Tl'er, your brother.:-)

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    My nieces... (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:32:30 PM EST
    more computer savvy than I, were having fits trying to download from the library site to their new Nooks from Santa too.

    When I heard Santa was bringing those things, I made it a point to include some good old-fashioned bound paper books with their presents from me.  They are glued to screens large and small enough as it is!

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    Actual printer books are a treasure. (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by caseyOR on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:05:25 PM EST
    I do understand why people are drawn to e-readers. The convenience, the ease of transport, etc. Still, there really is, to my mind, no way to curl up with a kindle or a nook or an iPad.

    E-readers have no texture. You can't feel the paper, gauge its weight or heft , admire the typeface, quickly flip back to check something on a previous page. And if you drop a book chances are all you have to do is pick it right up and resume reading with no worries about breaking it.

    Also, if you buy a printed book the merchant cannot then come in to your home and snatch it back, unlike with an e-reader where the merchant can electronically steal anything you have gotten from them. You don't really own an e-book; you have it only as long as Amazon or whomever lets you have it.

    I'm not a total Luddite. I have a cell phone. Sure, it's a dub phone that is good just for the making and receiving of calls and, yeah, I usually forget to turn it on, but still I have one. And I have and make daily use of a laptop.

    Still, a book remains magical to me.


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    I bought my Grandson a Kindle (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 03:14:19 PM EST
    he doesn't like it. Says it doesn't feel right.

    So maybe the next generation is not totally gone.

    The problem, of course, with books is that they take up space. I keep saying I'm gonna give some to the library, and do. But what starts out as 20 becomes 4....

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    I love books (none / 0) (#82)
    by CST on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 03:23:12 PM EST
    and was completely anti-kindle.

    Until the last time I moved.  Not only do books take up space but those suckers are heavy.

    A friend recently bought the kindle fire, and I have to say, for the first time, I think that one feels just perfect.  It fits easily in your hand, it's not as bulky as an ipad, it's about the size of a typical paperback minus all the girth.  I may be a convert sooner rather than later.

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    I have had several friends tell me the same (none / 0) (#89)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 03:51:19 PM EST
    I have no doubt. But it still isn't a book. It's an "appliance."

    Plus, I have over 4000 sci-fi/fantasy mags to cope with. If someone could make electronic repros....

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    Sounds like our place (none / 0) (#101)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 05:41:12 PM EST
    One end of the den, 12h x 22w is books, plus I have all my sci-fi stuff in three walls of my office. My wife keeps telling me I need to start selling my magazine collection  but who wants to sell his youth????

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    Eloquently put... (none / 0) (#57)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:11:55 PM EST
    heartened to know Cap'n Casey's Pirate Ship will have a real library...I'd never get out of the human hamster wheel if I had to charge everybody's e-reader too! ;)

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    We'll have a real library, and (none / 0) (#58)
    by caseyOR on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:16:03 PM EST
    we will use cash or barter for goods and services. Wall Street and the banksters will not suck away anything from the pirate crew.

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    Hear Hear... (none / 0) (#62)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:28:49 PM EST
    in fact, we'll be raiding their yachts for provisions;)

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    Come on down here, Dog (none / 0) (#65)
    by Zorba on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:33:57 PM EST
    We must have at least a couple of thousand actual books in the house and put away in boxes in the barn.  If the "electronic age" ever goes south, we can still read all these books.  By candlelight, if necessary!   ;-)

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    Exactly! (none / 0) (#63)
    by Zorba on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:29:54 PM EST
    I love actual "printed" books!

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    It funny you should say this (none / 0) (#83)
    by sj on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 03:30:28 PM EST
    Still, there really is, to my mind, no way to curl up with a kindle or a nook or an iPad.
    Because in my mind being able to curl up with the kindle is the second biggest advantage (The primary advantage is the instant gratification part).  It's much easier to read a Kindle than a book -- especially at bedtime.  It's (usually) lighter, it stays "open". On a cold night I only need to expose half of one hand.  It's also much easier reading material on a commute.  Oh, and (so far) it hasn't broken when I dropped.

    That's the good news.  The bad news is that you can't easily scan back to re-read something that needed more attention the first time around.  You can't loan out, give away or sell the book.  And although they promised they Would Never Do That Again, as you pointed out, apparently Amazon can remove books without your consent.

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    Oh, I still love (none / 0) (#38)
    by Zorba on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:41:06 PM EST
    actual, printed "books,"  kdog.  I also like actual printed "newspapers."  And actual music "CD's."  Sigh.  I guess I'm a fossil.  Too bad.  :-(

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    We are... (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:57:28 PM EST
    The Village Green Preservation Society

    Preserving the old ways from being abused
    Protecting the new ways for me and for you
    What more can we do
    God save the Village Green


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    You're not alone ... (5.00 / 0) (#50)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:02:13 PM EST
    I'm far from a technophobe.  I starting using the Internet in the late eighties.  And I have all kinds of gadgets around the house.

    But I prefer reading paper books.  In fact, the more devices I have the more I like paper books.  They don't flash at you at 60 cycles a second.  And they remind you of the pleasure of monotasking.

    I also still do a lot of writing via pen and paper.  And I write for a living.

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    He downloaded from MY libs to his (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 12:55:41 PM EST
    new Kindle--effortlessly, per him.  (IT-savvy.)

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    Yes, it looks like (none / 0) (#23)
    by Towanda on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:06:38 PM EST
    my local library's setup is more suited for Kindle, with a lot more steps for the IPad.

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    But one of my friends says she has (none / 0) (#28)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:29:13 PM EST
    Kindle app. on her new iPad.  Persevere.  Meanwhile, bro is trying to get ISU in Pinstripe Bowl despite my inability to get cable reinstituted in a timely fashion.  

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    It is available on-line (none / 0) (#95)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 04:25:36 PM EST
    on ESPN3 or other sites. Google First Row.

    They're getting beat-up by the State University of New Jersey 17 to 6 at the momemt

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    He got three hours via iPhone. (none / 0) (#105)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:16:11 PM EST
    Thanks. (none / 0) (#106)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:18:40 PM EST
    You're welcome. (none / 0) (#107)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:28:30 PM EST
    Too bad the Cyclones lost.  Probably the reverse BTD betting on them jinx.    

    Going to be a sad day for football in the state of Iowa by the looks of it.  Hawks are down 21 to Oklahoma in the 3rd.  Even with a QB from Keokuk...

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    That scuzzy riverfront town? (none / 0) (#108)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:49:42 PM EST
    Yep. (none / 0) (#111)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:55:34 PM EST
    The kid's doing his best Tebow 4th quarter come-back imitation.  Down 14 and driving.  

    Scrappy river kid!

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    Big brother is missing it. Asleep. (none / 0) (#113)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:57:25 PM EST
    Not me! (none / 0) (#114)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Dec 31, 2011 at 12:04:43 AM EST
    Down 7 with 6 minutes left.  Heart attack time...

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    Ha. He's an Iowa State College grad. (none / 0) (#115)
    by oculus on Sat Dec 31, 2011 at 12:07:50 AM EST
    Well, they came up short. (none / 0) (#117)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Dec 31, 2011 at 12:31:19 AM EST
    Insult to injury, the Sooners covered the spread with a cheap last second TD.

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    Harry Belafonte was on Charlie Rose ... (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:32:46 PM EST
    last night.  And Charlie Rose asked him for an assessment of Obama.  Needless to say, he wasn't kind.  But he told a great story.

    He spoke to Obama after some event.  And Obama came up to him, and in a confrontation tone, said:

    "When are you and Cornell West gonna cut me some slack?"

    "Who says we haven't?" Belafonte responded.

    Sounds like Obama (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by brodie on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:06:33 PM EST
    got off easy with an older mellower Belafonte.  At least compared to the grilling he, James Baldwin and others gave to Atty Gen RFK in early 1963, for hours, over allegations the admin was stalling on civil rights.

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    I just watched that Charlie Rose (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by caseyOR on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 04:01:41 PM EST
    interview with Belafonte. I urge everyone to go online, find this episode (it first aired last night) and watch it. He is a fascinating man who has taken an active role in the great social/political movement of the last half-century.

    Belefonte was scathing in his assessment of Obama. In a quiet measured voice he laid out the indictment of Obama's quest for power, his continued governing from the right of the political spectrum, and his seeming lack of commitment to justice.

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    He also effectively ... (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 04:54:27 PM EST
    weighs Obama against JFK and RFK and finds him wanting. And he does that without deifying JFK or RFK.

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    Thank you for the heads up (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by sj on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 10:54:43 PM EST
    That was a wonderful interview.  Now there is a man I would like to have a beer with.

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    Ha! (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by lilburro on Sat Dec 31, 2011 at 02:30:41 AM EST
    That's such a great response.  

    I think sometimes, or maybe, almost always, the Obama team doesn't understand the legitimately high expectations people had of them.  I mean, it's not like he is John Kerry.  

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    About his music ... (none / 0) (#64)
    by Robot Porter on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:32:35 PM EST
    it's interesting that at the time when pioneering black rock and roll performers were being marginalized, especially in the marketing of singles, Harry Belafonte's records were at the top of the album charts.  His album "Calypso" spent 31 weeks at number 1, and was the first LP to sell 1 million copies.

    That probably says as much about Belafonte's political acumen as anything else.

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    Belafonte's Carnegie Hall (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by brodie on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:45:30 PM EST
    record album was a regular staple in our home growing up in the early 60s.  The Banana Song got huge airplay on the radio too.  Unforgettable and distinctive voice with his Caribbean accent -- exotic stuff for a youngster who'd never been anywhere outside the Midwest.

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    Our midwest home, too. (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by caseyOR on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:53:47 PM EST
    My parents were big fans of Belafonte. Those lyrics, delivered in that accent conjured up a mysterious and intriguing place so far removed from my experience.

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    Still have that stupendous (none / 0) (#74)
    by christinep on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 03:09:18 PM EST
    almost-worn-out-thru-constant-plays album. And, as a young teen, I saw him at a concert in Denver; and, marvel still at that memory. An evocative, beautiful singer.  Kingston Town easily remains near the top of my favorite popular songs.  (But, for some reason, right now the refrain which I'm singing is "Ma-til-da...cross de water; Ma-til-da...she took me money & run Venezuela...(a little softer) ma-til-da.

    Thanks for the pre-New Year's reverie of many years past.

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    I know Ron Paul (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by CST on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:39:59 PM EST
    says loony things, about civil rights and personal responsibility, etc...

    But this might be the worst:

    ""Employee rights are said to be valid when employers pressure employees into sexual activity," Paul wrote. "Why don't they quit once the so-called harassment starts? Obviously the morals of the harasser cannot be defended, but how can the harassee escape some responsibility for the problem? Seeking protection under civil rights legislation is hardly acceptable.""

    Umm, what exactly is the "responsibility" that the harassee has for the problem Ron????  They were female so they were asking for it????

    The rest of the link isn't pretty ugly as well.  Lot's of "asking for it".  I single this section out, because I noticed that in all the comments that follow defending Ron Paul for his statements, not a single one of them adresses this.  Just to paraphrase the rest of it - if you have AIDS it's your own fault, and people should have the right to discriminate on their own property.  This is just the first one I've seen where people should have the right to harrass you on their own property, which is a pretty big step beyond exclusion in my mind.  And it indicates that the person being harrassed is somehow responsible for said treatment.

    I'm sorry kdog, but no amount of being against the war or pro-drugs fixes this.  There are some battles that are worth fighting, and we fought real battles over this stuff in the past.  They were worth it, and he is on the wrong side.

    Pardon the repeat from me (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by christinep on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 03:35:38 PM EST
    But it cannot be said enough that what Ron Paul represents is the definition of Ugly. Selfish, cruel, discriminatory....

    Because of the siren song of his "foreign policy," a significant number of young men seem to have confused an isolationist-based (together with no foreign help in natural catastrophes, no recognition of international bodies like the UN, etc.)philosophy with a reasoned approach to be careful of foreign military entanglements and the like. Paul babbles a rigid "I look out for me & mine & we don't need any government--except to prevent a woman's choice--to tell us what to do" clarion call, and these same followers only hear s type of sincerity in his consistency. Oh...it is consistent allright; a consistent slap in the face to all those not born white male & with a silver spoon in mouth.

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    I must agree with you, CST (none / 0) (#75)
    by Zorba on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 03:09:26 PM EST
    It sounds an awful lot like "Well, if you were raped, you must have been 'asking for' it."  Same with HIV-AIDS.  And, by the way:
    On the right-to-life issue, I believe, I'm a real stickler for civil liberties. It's academic to talk about civil liberties if you don't talk about the true protection of all life. So if you are going to protect liberty, you have to protect the life of the unborn just as well.

    I have a Bill in congress I certainly would promote and push as president, called the Sanctity of Life Amendment. We establish the principle that life begins at conception. And someone says, `oh why are you saying that?' and I say, `well, that's not a political statement -- that's a scientific statement that I'm making!"

    I know we're all interested in a better court system and amending the constitution to protect life. But sometimes I think that is dismissing the way we can handle this much quicker, and my bill removes the jurisdiction of the federal courts from the issue of abortion, if a state law says no abortion, it doesn't go to the supreme court to be ruled out of order.


    Plus:
    Q: What will you do to restore legal protection to the unborn?

    A: As an O.B. doctor of thirty years, and having delivered 4,000 babies, I can assure you life begins at conception. I am legally responsible for the unborn, no matter what I do, so there's a legal life there. The unborn has inheritance rights, and if there's an injury or a killing, there is a legal entity. There is no doubt about it.


    Link (there's lots more here.)
    Also:
    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented power over the hiring, employee relations, and customer service practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation of the rights of private property and contract, which are the bedrocks of free society. The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the rights of private property owners to use their property as they please and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all parties.
    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society.

    And:
    Chris Matthews: But you would've voted against that law.
    Ron Paul: Pardon me?
    Chris Matthews: You would've voted against that law. You wouldn't have voted for the '64 civil rights bill.
    Ron Paul: Yes, but not in -- I wouldn't vote against getting rid of the Jim Crow laws.
    Chris Matthews: But you would have voted for the -- you know you -- oh, come on. Honestly, Congressman, you were not for the '64 civil rights bill.
    Ron Paul: Because -- because of the property rights element, not because it got rid of the Jim Crow law.

    Link.
    The man is a lunatic, and I would never, ever vote for him.

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    I just bought a new chair, a reading chair. (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by caseyOR on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:49:11 PM EST
    My old armchair finally gave out. I loved that chair. It was old, from the '40s. It was the first piece of furniture I got after the arsonist burned down my house back in 1980.

    It was obviously a used chair. I was replacing many things and had little money. Used or not, it was a good chair. We were together for three decades. It was so hard to part with it, but I had to let go. For the past couple of years I've been stuffing old bed pillows into the chair to keep myself from falling through to the floor. Had my back not been screaming at me to "get a new chair" I would have kept on stuffing with pillows.

    My new chair was just delivered this morning. The color is a sage green. It is a recliner, which is a first for me. I have never thought of myself as a recliner person, but on my recent visit to the Oregon coast with my mother and sister I stayed in a condo that had a recliner. It was so comfortable to sit in.

    I turn 60 next month, and I wonder, does this purchase of a recliner mean I am now officially an old biddy?

    Yes, But there are worse things. (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by shoephone on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 03:16:47 PM EST
    Embrace it! You've got a great new chair that will probably lost a looooooong time.

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    Casey, I'm 63 (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Zorba on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 03:32:01 PM EST
    If you're an "old biddy," then so am I, sister!  Personally, I embrace my "old biddiness," and if anyone has a problem with that, then the heck with them- that's they're problem!

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    Ohmigosh (none / 0) (#77)
    by sj on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 03:14:14 PM EST
    I hope not!!!

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    well, is it a Lazy Boy? (none / 0) (#86)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 03:44:57 PM EST
    No, not a Lazy-Boy. (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by caseyOR on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 04:06:26 PM EST
    My recliner is from Best Home Furnishings. It was, as all the promo material informs me, "Proudly built with fine Southern Indiana craftsmanship."

    Let's hear it for American manufacturing.

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    Lazy-Boy used to be mfg. (none / 0) (#112)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:56:19 PM EST
    in Monroe MI, Michigan's only port on Lake Eire.  

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    MKS (1.00 / 0) (#13)
    by sj on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 12:07:51 PM EST
    I see you are back in stalker mode. It seems to be cyclic with you.  I've heard of manic/depressive but not stalker/normal.  I don't like the stealth so I'll talk to you right here.  

    I just want to wish you a Happy and normal New Year.

    This was predictable (none / 0) (#37)
    by MKS on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:39:34 PM EST
    You carry forward this from another thread....

    And, eff you, for the insincere greeting.

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    I don't stalk and post (1.00 / 0) (#42)
    by sj on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:47:28 PM EST
    ratings and comments on a thread that's nearly dead so that other people don't see it.  I'm not sneaky like that.  I don't do stealth like you do.  I'm putting you right out here in the open.

    I also never "eff" anyone as you do fairly regularly.

    And, I assure you, the greeting was quite sincere.  I like it when you're normal.

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    B.S., then (none / 0) (#44)
    by MKS on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:49:24 PM EST
    Word economy....

     

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    Bowl picks (none / 0) (#4)
    by fishcamp on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:05:33 AM EST
    BTD  I 'm wearing my Oregon fighting ducks T shirt now so please keep up the bowl picks.  t/y

    Subsidizing The Dinosaur Economy (none / 0) (#6)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:28:55 AM EST
    Lying pols, your money, and The Story of Broke (8 min. video)

    Things I eagerly await (none / 0) (#9)
    by brodie on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:37:30 AM EST
    besides a few bowl games in the early part of the new year:

    1.  The doc film by Mark Lane in connection with his recent book Last Word: Indictment of the CIA in the Murder of JFK.  

    2.  The doc film tied to the recent book Grey Wolf: The Escape of Hitler.

    3.  The new book by former UPI WH reporter Don Fulsom alleging Nixon had gay affair with close friend Bebe Rebozo, beat wife Pat before, during and after the presidential years, and was known to have a serious drinking problem.


    Mark Lane? (none / 0) (#35)
    by MKS on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:37:54 PM EST
    Wasn't he the original skeptic, or at least the author of Rush to Judgment, the first real attack on the Warren Commission?

    I think he actually tried a civil action in Florida over the assassination....I think it was a defamation case.....I recall that he agreed to a weird deposition during trial by the other side on cassette tape or some such.

    He has another book?  Is this the one you were touting before?

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    Yep to all that. (5.00 / 0) (#60)
    by brodie on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:26:15 PM EST
    He'd written one of the earliest critiques of the official case fingering Oswald, and that article -- which The Nation, TNR and other liberal publications declined to publish, out of fear of the backlash from the fed govt (he eventually got it into a lefty Brit magazine) -- came to the attention of LHO's mother who then got Lane to represent her son's interests before the Warren

    His most recent book on Dallas was just published in Nov (Last Word).  A documentary video is scheduled to come out early in 2012, which is supposed to include an interview with Abe Bolden the ex Secret Service guy whom JFK picked to become the first black agent assigned to the WH detail.  Bolden in his own recent memoir has made some disturbing allegations about the strong anti-JFK sentiment (over civil rights) he found in the SS ranks, including one overheard conversation his colleagues had about not wanting to get in the way of bullets directed at Kennedy.

    Lane has more in his book about the SS's criminal negligence that day in Dallas, also how a number of experienced WH agents asked to be reassigned in the two months before the trip, all 11 requests being granted.  And other disturbing info.

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    Speaking of politicians (none / 0) (#10)
    by Edger on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:39:36 AM EST
    and presidential race campaigning...

    Did you hear about the tap dancer who broke his ankle when he fell in the sink?

    ...

    We need better material... ;-)

    Hey kids... (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:49:04 AM EST
    Wanna go sledding in Beaver Borough PA?  Better bring your proof of residency, and your helmet if your under 12.

    Happy New Year Big Brother!

    I took a 12 and 13 yr. old ice skating (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:51:32 PM EST
    tonight.  For the first time, helmets are available for rental.  Didn't see anyone wearing a helmet.  

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    I see the Romney camp went after the birthers (none / 0) (#14)
    by Farmboy on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 12:28:22 PM EST
    in Iowa. Of course, they tried to walk it back as "just a joke", but they reached their audience.

    It's all part of the dehumanizing campaign the right has been running against Obama since 2008 with questions about his family, his birth, his grades, etc. Problem is, the dog whistles are getting so loud that regular folks can hear them, which could backfire. Despite media depictions, not all GOP voters in Iowa like that sort of thing, or at the least, don't like it out in the open.

    I don't know what it is... (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by desertswine on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:49:38 PM EST
    bout Romney, but I just want to punch him in the face whenever he opens his mouth.

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    Iowa caucuses are such a mess (none / 0) (#25)
    by Towanda on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:10:47 PM EST
    no matter what, that I wish they would go away.  The latest I read is that Republicans, crazed all over the country to enact voter suppression laws, will not require any ID to participate in their Iowa caucuses.  

    Hypocrisy layered onto inaninity, as media keep pumping up the caucuses there, so cr*ppily run, some of them violating ADA, and all of them in one of the least representative states in the land.  

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    I just love this season every four years - not. (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Farmboy on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:31:15 PM EST
    Month after month of listening to folks thinking that they have a license to spew malicious stereotypes about a group of Americans simply because of where they live - how delightful.

    It makes me wonder how Limbaugh survives all the competition.

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    Tell us the percentage (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Towanda on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 09:36:48 PM EST
    of African Americans in Iowa and its ranking for that among the 50 states.  Not a stereotype.  A fact.

    Tell us how many Congresswomen have come from Iowa.  Not a stereotype.  A fact.

    Tell us the percentage of Iowa acreage that is agricultural and its ranking for that among the 50 states.  Not a stereotype.  A fact.

    Tell us that all caucus sites have access for the disabled.  Not a stereotype.  A fact.

    Tell us how cleanly the caucuses were run last time, according to many reports in Iowa media and elsewhere.  Not a stereotype.  A fact.

    Tell us how many Iowans and ex-Iowans still want to claim that Iowa looks like America. . . .

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    Per 2010 census, Iowa is now only 91% (none / 0) (#110)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 11:53:22 PM EST
    Caucasian.  2000 census:  95%.  

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    Yes, but there are many minorities (none / 0) (#120)
    by Towanda on Sat Dec 31, 2011 at 02:52:57 PM EST
    there, more welcome than are African Americans.

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    here were very few African Americans (none / 0) (#121)
    by oculus on Sat Dec 31, 2011 at 07:57:09 PM EST
    in my "city" of 30,000.  No Latinos when I was growing up.  Few Jews.  Many Catholic and Protestant Caucasians.  

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    Ergo, your hometown also would be (none / 0) (#122)
    by Towanda on Sun Jan 01, 2012 at 02:32:37 PM EST
    a stupid choice to kick off presidential campaigns.

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    Well, it votes D. (none / 0) (#123)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 01, 2012 at 03:50:37 PM EST
    Not many Mormons in IA: (none / 0) (#124)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 02, 2012 at 06:04:12 PM EST
    Oh, the whole (none / 0) (#125)
    by Zorba on Mon Jan 02, 2012 at 06:43:15 PM EST
    Iowa Caucus rigmarole is giving me a headache.  It's all political theater, and it means bupkis.

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    Yes, and the cogitation (none / 0) (#30)
    by KeysDan on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:31:29 PM EST
    is puzzling.  It seems that any one of  the candidates more than satisfies the expectations of the Republican primary caucus goers. And, if not, they just need to let the "deficiencies" be known and they will be happy to adapt and adopt them.  Of course, Ron Paul does present some need for their discernment.  An observation, the envy of Dan Savage, is "Santorum surges from behind in Iowa."

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    Plastic Man (none / 0) (#81)
    by christinep on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 03:22:54 PM EST
    When I hear the name Romney these days, the image is that of a Plastic Man...and, seeing the image on TV confirms the look os a taut, stretched-face Plastic Man where the eyes & smile seem out of kilter from the rest of the face. A bit surreal, in one respect.

    The funny thing: Years ago, I mentioned that the man would make a good Presidential candidate because he had "the look." And, because he seemed to be able to find that moderate-businessman-All American image that so many might take as a given. Maybe tho the steadfast, verging on lustful, determination to become the President has taken its toll. Maybe all the chasing after the far-right has taken its toll. That look now seems to be a strange combination of gaunt & plastic.

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    Honestly, it's just so depressing, this (none / 0) (#96)
    by Anne on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 04:29:10 PM EST
    feeling I have that electing the next president of the United States, and to some extent, members of Congress, has become, well, a parody of a reality show - we could call it The Biggest Winner (because another show already has "The Biggest Loser," and besides, we know who the real losers are here: us), or American Political Idol ("get your cell phones ready - the phone lines open at 7:00 am; you can call as often as you want, but remember - there is a .50 charge for each call! Don't forget to tune in tomorrow night for the Elimination show - one of these candidates will be the winner of a $400,000, four-year contract!")

    Ugh.

    It's just become a game of who's more sane than the rest, who's more person-I'd-like-to-have-a-beer-with, and in the end, once all the votes have been counted, and a winner declared, we become invisible again, as whoever wins goes about rewarding all his high-dollar donors and stocking his administration with those whose interests are not really of the people.

    It's soul-killing to even contemplate the choices.  

    And the Democrats we're expected to elect or re-elect...oy.  Most of them seem to have forgotten what being a Democrat is supposed to mean, have closed their eyes to actions and policies that, were they to come with an (R) attached, would be - maybe - vehemently protested, but because they have the backing of a Democrat, are not a problem.

    I don't doubt that Obama will be re-elected; the GOP is going to find it hard to campaign against someone who is more in their ideological corner, with the record to prove it, than not.  Is he "better" than any of the clowns and crazies on the other side?  Probably, in much the same way that a sharp stick in the eye might be better than a 2 x 4 to the back of the head - it's going to hurt no matter what, it's just a question of how much and for how long.

    Great choice, huh?  How did we get here?  The usual way, I think - wholly corrupted by money, with no signs that the process will ever be returned, in the most important ways, to the people.

    As I said, above: Ugh.

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    A partial reply, Anne (none / 0) (#100)
    by christinep on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 04:58:18 PM EST
    From what history tells us, so much of electioneering has always been somewhat happenstance, fortune, & not-too-pretty. That is for starters...the sausage-making analogy used with regard to legislation & all that.

    But, at these crossroads...well, we may view things a bit differently. Me the incrementalist does like & value some of the "completed" actions promised on the Democratic checklist from 2008. Based on a number of your comments, Anne, I'm suspecting that you might have a quite different reaction. But...in many ways...our looking glasses are influenced by our own history, expectations, and personality styles. Let me suggest that--for now--we accept each others' differences. ('Cause we don't seem about to change each others' views.)

    Considering your immediate comment: My focus goes to the role of $$$ in elctions. You indicate your discouragement at that. As to whether we can do much about that...my view is that we can via the election process over time & incrementally. Laser focus on electing those at least disposed toward our positions. Thee $$$ & elections thing really goes to the Supreme Court in a variety of outcomes beyond United Citizens. If nothing else, those Nine Justices and the President with nomination power represent the ultimate power in the structure.  We may like it or not...but, it is. Whether we think that we become invisible after elections can be argued until the mooing at sunset. For me, the matter of the Supreme Court is reason--by itself--to vote in a Presidential election.

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    Romney always sounds angry when he talks (none / 0) (#97)
    by shoephone on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 04:32:27 PM EST
    At least he sounds that way to me. Big turn-off.

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    Friday Funny... (none / 0) (#16)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 12:29:32 PM EST
    Don't tell those McDonald's people, McDowell's got 4 stars on Yelp.

    I (none / 0) (#17)
    by CST on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 12:32:58 PM EST
    got really excited for a minute that McDowells actually exists in real life.

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    No such luck... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 12:49:57 PM EST
    Though we do have Kennedy Fried Chicken joints all over Queens.

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    My NJ friend informs me McDonald's (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 12:56:40 PM EST
    in Manhattan now employs a classical pianist.  

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    Now thats an odd mash-up... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:28:08 PM EST
    "Want Chopin with that?"

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    Hold the flutes, extra (none / 0) (#40)
    by KeysDan on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:44:00 PM EST
    piccolos, please.  

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    If the pianist takes requests, (none / 0) (#24)
    by KeysDan on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:07:43 PM EST
    I'd like the "Hamburg Concerto".   And, it should be well done. :)

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    I don't use Verizon Wireless, (none / 0) (#34)
    by Zorba on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:36:57 PM EST
    but I do pay all my bills the "old-fashioned" way- by paper check.  Call me a Luddite.  This fee is ridiculous, however.  I would think that they would want to encourage people to pay online or by phone- I would assume that it costs less for companies because they don't have to hire extra people to open envelopes and process the paper checks.  Oh, well.  What do I know?

    The USPS thanks you... (5.00 / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:46:26 PM EST
    never stop Z!  

    All my sh*t gets mailed, or in the case of rent, cash in hand...talk about old-school!  We quasi-luddites gotta stick together;)

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    Personal knowledge of fail by USPS: (none / 0) (#47)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:53:34 PM EST
    mailed my property tax payment at post office on the postmark deadline date.  Had to pay a late fee because it ended up postmarked about a week later.  Now I pay it on line.  

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    It happens... (none / 0) (#51)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:02:34 PM EST
    online has its problems too...though I hope you never experience any;)

    USPS still the best deal around...sending an envelope coast to coast for 44 cents, vs. 5 bucks or so with UPS or Fedex Ground.  

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    Tell me about it. Pd. water bill on line (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:09:56 PM EST
    directly from checking account.  Got confirmation.  Came home from a trip.  Water had been shut off.  Very pleasant female employee at downtown bill payment office sd.:  happens sometimes.  error in routing no.,  error in customer acct. no.  Go to the red phone behind you and say you are pd. up.  

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    Oculus, the USPS (none / 0) (#59)
    by Zorba on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:22:54 PM EST
    has indeed failed on occasion (I'll never forget that they lost my husband's grandfather's ashes, mailed by Registered Mail years ago to his son, my husband's uncle, on the family farm, where the ashes were supposed to be buried), but OTOH, I've also had occasions where the credit card/debit card/online payments have been scr*wed up, and it was a royal pain in the wazoo to get that straightened out.  Not to mention the time that I had to cancel our credit card and get a new one because the hotel that Mr. Zorba had stayed in had some kind of problem with the credit card numbers used there having been stolen and charged by the credit card thieves.  The thing that I do like about paper checks is that I have the image of the check to mail to whoever thinks that I haven't paid them- I have done this more than once.

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    Yes, well, kdog (none / 0) (#49)
    by Zorba on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:00:04 PM EST
    As I said, I'm still a Luddite in a lot of ways!  ;-)  I also pay by paper check at grocery stores.  My kids think that I'm nuts, and the people in back of me in the grocery store line often glare at me, but too bad.

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    Checks at the grocery... (5.00 / 0) (#54)
    by kdog on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:07:22 PM EST
    can be annoying, but it still beats swiping plastic if ya won't use cashish, the second best method to barter.

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    Almost never write checks. (none / 0) (#56)
    by caseyOR on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:10:12 PM EST
    I remain a big supporter of cold, hard cash. Use it at the gas station, the grocery store, restaurants, the movies, just about everywhere I pay in person.

    In my world, cash is king and queen.

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    Casey, I understand, (none / 0) (#61)
    by Zorba on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:27:22 PM EST
    but I just feel uncomfortable about carrying that much cash around.  I do use cash a lot, but when I go to the grocery store, I often buy +$100 worth of groceries, and I just don't want to carry that much cash.

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    Our situations are different. (5.00 / 0) (#66)
    by caseyOR on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:34:28 PM EST
    I shop for one. And, since most of my diet is plant-based, I go to the store 2-3 times a week for fresh produce. No need to carry a lot of cash.

    I guess I'm a bit paranoid, or maybe just hyper-protective of my privacy. By paying with cash I make it very hard for the store to track my purchases. I even use fake names with those store-issued discount cards. I am completely baffled by the casualness with which so many treat their privacy these days. I fear that development does not bode well for people.

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    Heehee! (none / 0) (#67)
    by Zorba on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:36:09 PM EST
    I love the fake names!  You go, sister!  (I've done this, too.)

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    Chase started charging to pay by phone (none / 0) (#43)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 01:48:39 PM EST
    awhile back.  Paying on line:  no fee unless you pay after certain time on east coast on due date.  

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    And they've already reversed their decision (none / 0) (#69)
    by Farmboy on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 02:43:07 PM EST
    Who says big corporations aren't nimble, especially when they're caught with their hands in the cookie jar?

    link

    Interesting news item reported (none / 0) (#87)
    by brodie on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 03:46:36 PM EST
    by Msnbc via the FT:  China just announced -- somewhat echoing Kennedy -- that it plans to land a man on the Moon by the end of the decade*.

    How will the US react?  Will the Repubs try to use this against Obama to allege -- again like Kennedy -- that the admin has been too passive while allowing the ChiComs to get ahead of us?

    * historical note:  the US allegedly landed two men on the Moon back in 1969, but whenever I think of Neil Armstrong and his extremely low public profile and the very tight time schedule Nasa had to meet Kennedy's goal, I begin to wonder along with some of the crazies...

    Oh no. First you disbelieve the Warren (none / 0) (#88)
    by oculus on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 03:48:33 PM EST
    Comm. and now this.  How about Sept. 11?  

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    Actually I was trying (none / 0) (#92)
    by brodie on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 04:10:34 PM EST
    to have a little eve of New Year's Eve mischievous fun throwing out the stuff about the moon landing-- though I do tend to believe the troubling allegations of ex NASA contractor Ken Johnston who personally witnessed two NASA employees altering (airbrushing) original NASA moon negatives on orders from above and who himself had been ordered to destroy certain agency moon negatives and all existing copies.  Yes the US did land men on the Moon, oculus.

    Re 911 it was probably, at worst, LIHOP on the part of Bush.

    Warren Comm'n:  Pablum intended to lead the American people down the garden path, in the words of Sen Richard Schweiker who investigated the case in the mid 70s.

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    You send me off (none / 0) (#102)
    by sj on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 08:41:35 PM EST
    on the most fascinating tours of the interwebs...

    I appreciate that :)

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    RFK yes, though I (none / 0) (#98)
    by brodie on Fri Dec 30, 2011 at 04:50:56 PM EST
    suspect many of the same high level govt officials (not Nixon)  who masterminded his brother's murder.

    MLK also was the victim of a high level govt conspiracy probably involving J. Edgar, the Pentagon and local MPD.

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    Ah.. the magic of the market... (none / 0) (#116)
    by desertswine on Sat Dec 31, 2011 at 12:21:26 AM EST
    NYT re farm acreage increasing in IA: (none / 0) (#118)
    by oculus on Sat Dec 31, 2011 at 12:37:23 AM EST
    link

    Also surprising.  

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