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The runoff election for the Democratic nomination for Senate in Arkansas is today. Bill Halter appears to be the favorite over incumbent Blanche Lincoln.

The Celtics host the Lakers in Game 3 of the NBA Finals tonight. The series is tied 1-1.

The World Cup starts in just 3 days.

Open Thread.

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    This is hysterical... (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 01:21:38 PM EST
    two christians fly thousands of miles to attend the protests of the ground zero community center that will contain a mosque in NYC...only to be heckled mercilessly, because they're christians of Egyptian descent, which in the eyes of the big-brained protestors, makes them muslims.  

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    Oy veh! (none / 0) (#67)
    by Zorba on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 04:40:42 PM EST
    Nothing like racial and ethnic profiling.  Not that I consider it particularly hysterical, kdog.  More like extremely ironic.  A bunch of idiots protesting something because "It's Muslim!!!!!  They must be terrorists!!!!"  And then turning on fellow protesters because "They look Muslim!!!!  OMG!!!!"  (And, BTW, I have some Egyptian Coptic friends, and it's true that they're not overly fond of Muslims- and, yes, there have been many, many instances of Muslim discrimination, and much worse, against the Christian Copts in Egypt.)  Americans are so ignorant, and so intolerant (not that we have a monopoly on this).  It's very sad, really, on so many levels.  

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    True... (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by kdog on Wed Jun 09, 2010 at 08:21:09 AM EST
    the humanity being displayed is downright sad...but two dudes flying cross-country to attend a haters protest only to get hated on?  That sh*t is funny:)  

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    My tutoree asked his mom if he could (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 10:31:21 AM EST
    skip school for the first team Mexico soccer match.  She sd., no.  

    Meanwhile, my brother informs me July 11 is sacrosanct on his schedule.  Come visit but do not disturb.

    Here, even in a tiny town in Italia (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by Cream City on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:00:10 AM EST
    in the Appennino mountains, excitement builds for the World Cup -- and this just after Republic Day, with the lovely Infiorata festivals in between. The tiny town's tiny community band is getting quite a workout, as are the Girl Guides and Boy Guides . . . and the carbineri, the neon-orange-clad firefighting crew, even the neon-chartreuse-clad garbage crew, all called out to also march on all occasions.

    And of course, all occasions commence in the tiny town square, either at the main basilica (of 15! churches -- all Catholic, of course) or at the Communne aka Town Hall -- also adorned by statuary of a Madonna.  So it's hard to tell the difference between basilicas and public buildings, sans separation of church and state, in reality, even when the mayor resplendent in ribbons of the colors of the Republic is proclaiming a Communist (and. of course, anti-Roma) ideology.  

    And now the bells of half of the churches are competing, as they do every quarter-hour, all day and night long.  I am so glad I brought a big supply of earplugs, as it is a noisy country, whether in Rome or in the countryside -- although the bells are somewhat melodious, at least.  The garbage trucks at 5 a.m., not so much, especially when they shake the windows of our piece of a 400-year-old palazzo . . . nor are the constantly yelled conversations outside our shaky windows.  And the constant car alarms, with tiny cars sooming or parked everywhere in a town not built for the auto age, add to the cacophony.  Mufflers have not yet reached the mountains, and especially on the ubiquitous motorcycles, too.

    Many surprises here -- I miss rugs (ancient stone floors are cold!), toilet-paper holders, good plumbing, clothese hangers, and much more -- but especially the retro status of internet techology here.  Connections are awful, if you can find them, even in Roma.  It's where Mexico was 10 years ago.  I had the impression from reading, commentaries, etc., that the U.S. was lagging much of the "civilized" world in this.  Not so.  Turns out, we're told, that anti-terrorism laws have held back public access in Italy, especially.

    There is a lesson in that for us.  We must continue to wage the resistance to the right-wing fearmongers in our own country.  Communication is crucial; I especially miss time to catch up on news, news, news. . . .  No teevee for 10 days how; of course, it would be in Italian, anyway, and I still am at the elementary level in the language.

    But then, there is comfort to be found in espresso, cappuccino, and gelato, a sort of religious rite in itself.  There are as many geleteria than there are churches in the tiny town -- and all do a thriving business. :-)

    p.s.  Off to the frescoes at Assissi in a few days, Oculus -- I will try to report back, if the internet connections allow.  So far, saw some marvels in Rome, of course, but also many in the many churches here, by Raphael's padre and others.  And the ancient Roman portals/arches into the town are terrific, with their early sculptures circa 200 B.C. -- plus nearby, an even more ancient Roman and partiallly pre-Umbrian bridge that is a marvel of engineering and beauty.

    Bells again, so another quarter-hour of Euros spent on this comment.  Ciao!

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    What fun. No internet cafe? That's (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:04:44 AM EST
    how I followed the U.S. primaries and caucuses in Rome.  

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    Lovely! Sounds like you are making the (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by ruffian on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 12:09:42 PM EST
    Most of your trip. Enjoy, and thanks for sharing. I needed a little mental vacation today.

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    Have fun! (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by lilburro on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 12:20:51 PM EST
    Assisi is beautiful and very white (in terms of buildings).  I studied abroad in Rome...and that's why when the world cup comes around I say...

    FORZA AZZURRI!!!! ;)

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    As punishment for making me homesick ... (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Ellie on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 12:41:23 PM EST
    ... you are hereby ordered to post a luciously pix-laden TL diary -- suggested title: "How I Spent my Summer Vacation" -- that dissolves into a rhapsody about sheepy cheeses.

    (As a cheesehead, where you are right now should put you about half-way to Heaven, churches or not!)

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    my sister (none / 0) (#4)
    by CST on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 10:44:21 AM EST
    a teacher - is taking Friday off.

    I'm jealous but I took yesterday off to study for a certification exam and I don't think taking a 3-day week is gonna go over too well with the boss.

    So, I will just have to wait for Saturday, when we are throwing a World Cup party for USA - England.  I think we invited too many people, we don't actually have that much space.  Plus the combination of family, friends, and neighbors might be... interesting to say the least.


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    I see the Mexico vs. S. Africa game (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 10:52:08 AM EST
    starts at 7 a.m. PST.  School starts at 9 a.m. I think.  I may offer to pick him upand drive him to school so he gets a chance to see the first hour +.  I still remember listening to the World Series during class in 5th grade.  

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    The early start times (none / 0) (#7)
    by CST on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 10:57:23 AM EST
    are killer (for me) on the east coast, and it's even worse on the west coast - but there is a benefit I guess.

    I hope he enjoys the game, although I will be rooting for S.A. :)

    My sister bought a giant S.A. flag for the apt.  Which I think is funny considering we don't even own a single tiny American flag.

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    How long is the average pro soccer game? (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 10:59:30 AM EST
    About 2 hrs (none / 0) (#14)
    by CST on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:06:05 AM EST
    45 minutes per half.  Halftime is... I would guess 15-20 min, not 100% sure.  Then there is the added time at the end of each half which depends on injuries or other stops in play.  It's a continuous clock and the ref on the field holds the official time so there is no way of knowing when the final second will be until the whistle is blown, although they usually give a general indication of how many extra minutes there will be.

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    Do you have any idea if the Mexico/S. Africa (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:07:54 AM EST
    first game might be broadcast on the radio?  Spanish is fine for tutoree.  That's what counts.

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    I think (none / 0) (#16)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:10:08 AM EST
    Sirius/XM is broadcasting the most or all of the games.

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    No way... (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:03:49 AM EST
    El Tri all the way...where is your N. American pride CST? :)

    Then we spank the tea-drinkers on Sat...I'm strangely confident.

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    strict hierarchy (none / 0) (#18)
    by CST on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:15:35 AM EST
    in team loyalties:

    #1 - USA!!! ALL THE WAY!!!

    #2 - Germany (this is strictly personal and in no-way reflects the opinions of other family members, but I lived there for a year, have friends there, it's my heritage, and I marginally speak the language)

    #3 - South Africa - gotta root for the home team, especially if they are the underdog.  Plus the sis will be heading there post-world cup and she lived in neighboring Namibia.

    #4 - All other African teams.  They never win, this is their first World Cup, it would be awesome.

    #5 - Mexico - N. American pride sure, but they are also kind of a rival...

    #6 - Other American teams not from Brazil.

    #7 - Brazil

    #8 - European teams that aren't Germany

    never - Spain - everyone expects them to win - I'm still mad about the basketball team photo in China.

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    I just realized (none / 0) (#19)
    by CST on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:17:39 AM EST
    I left off Asia and Australia.

    Why??  I don't care, and they won't win anyway.  But I guess you could put them behind Brazil, in front of Europe.

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    Germany and Brazil... (none / 0) (#20)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:21:41 AM EST
    bottom of my list...too many cups won.

    USA All the Way, Mexico for the special lady, then every team from the Americas except Brazil, then the African teams led by Ivory Coast.

    Wouldn't mind seeing N. Korea pull an upset...those poor people need some kinda happiness, and maybe it'll chill Krazy Kim out a little.

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    Brazil (none / 0) (#22)
    by CST on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:35:24 AM EST
    would probably be lower down, but one of my best friends and college roommate was Brazilian and she made me honorary for 2 years, despite the fact that I can't speak a lick of Portuguese.  So in honor of her, they come ahead of a few other teams.

    Rooting for N. Korea?? I guess... they are probably the worst team that made the tournament.  And they are in the group of death with Brazil, Portugal, and the Ivory Coast.  I figure they'll go 0 for 3 and get seriously beat up in the process.  I mean rooting for an underdog is always cool, but you want them to have some kind of a chance.  At this point, tying one of those games would be an "upset".

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    I'm torn (none / 0) (#70)
    by Raskolnikov on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 05:58:30 PM EST
    But still lean USA.  My parents are both English, one lives there, I was born in the States but have dual citizenship (two passports, fun fun), all extended family lives in England but both brothers serve in the US Military.  Either way, I'm sure as hell not missing this match!

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    Moms is mean... (none / 0) (#6)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 10:53:30 AM EST
    it's only once every 4 years...a little hooky never hurt nobody.

    Finally breaking my Sh*ti-Field boycott to see the Mets vs. Padres tonight...free tix and Pelf on the hill, it's time.

    Speaking of Sh*tiBank...I didn't know they'd merged with Chase, I thought they were still "technically" competitors, but here they are teaming up to silence a new Chase employee possibly wrongfully terminated by Citi...linkage.

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    Mom took to heart the stern admonitions (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:01:07 AM EST
    of this charter school.  No "fun" absenteeism.  No vacations to visit relatives in Mexico during school time.  Results re this kid are fantastic.  He just tested out of 7th grade pre-algebra and into 8th grade algebra.  (Leaving me in the dust!)

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    Moms knows best:)... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:14:03 AM EST
    I'll never forget my moms playing hooky with me, my older sis, and my little brother back in '86 for the Mets ticker tape parade...good samaritan saves little brother from being trampled, see a guy fall off another guys shoulders through a giant plate glass window (blood everywhere)...and didn't see a single player...an unforgettable adventure.

    And all those hooky days with old man at the track...I strongly support fun absenteeism in moderation as part of a well-balanced childhood.

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    Here's my latest scheme. Suggest (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:22:41 AM EST
    tutoree, after getting Mom's ok, ask first period teacher if he will permit kid to arrive a bit late Fri. a.m.  Reasonable, no?

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    Oh, no. Not Pelf again. We are only (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 10:58:09 AM EST
    a half game ahead of the Dodgers atop NL West. I was counting on St. Louis to beat LA.  But they didn't.  

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    We're a different team at home this year... (none / 0) (#24)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:39:01 AM EST
    payback for the series in S.D.

    It's gonna be weird...so used to Shea, and I knew all the good hiding spots to smoke joints...need to do some recon:)

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    Enjjoy Hope you lose! (none / 0) (#59)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 03:17:28 PM EST
    It's sad (none / 0) (#27)
    by Maryb2004 on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:55:09 AM EST
    that I have to get my World Cup Preview from a different law blog.  (

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    Give me a chance (none / 0) (#38)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 01:08:10 PM EST
    I'm working on it as we speak.

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    Guess my tutoree better catch the (none / 0) (#60)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 03:33:31 PM EST
    first round before Mexcio is out of the running.

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    Does Lincoln really think having a lovefest on (none / 0) (#2)
    by magster on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 10:31:40 AM EST
    national TV with a Gingrich Republican while slandering a 75 year old woman as a bussed in actress will help her in a Dem primary?

    I don't just want her to lose, I want her to lose Artur Davis style!

    I made some calls (none / 0) (#3)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 10:43:05 AM EST
    to locals this morning and found a surprising amount of support for her.  I was a little shocked.

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    but ftr (none / 0) (#23)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:36:58 AM EST
    the family, at least the ones that matter, are all voting Halter

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    Philly strikes again... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:46:37 AM EST
    Toddler caught drinking at Phils game.  

    His parents should get together with the Sumatran Smokin' Toddler and plan a play-date.

    video removed (none / 0) (#26)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 11:54:37 AM EST
    wassup with that.  they have no right to keep  us from our smokin and drinkin toddlers.


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    Insult to injury.... (none / 0) (#44)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 01:46:31 PM EST
    appears to be a light beer...kids a lightweight.

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    Lol- toddlers gone wild (none / 0) (#30)
    by ruffian on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 12:10:54 PM EST
    I knew that (none / 0) (#37)
    by Zorba on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 01:07:36 PM EST
    the Philly's fans were badly behaved, but I didn't realize that extended to letting their toddlers drink beer!  Geez.

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    BP Takeover (none / 0) (#28)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 12:02:27 PM EST
    Given the plunge in BP's share price -- the company has lost more than a third of its value since Deepwater Horizon blew -- some bankers and analysts say BP is starting to look like takeover bait. The question is, who would buy BP, given its enormous potential liabilities?

    Shell and Exxon Mobil are both said to be licking their chops. And already, flinty legal minds are dreaming up scenarios in which BP would file a prepackaged bankruptcy and separate the costs of the cleanup -- and potentially billions of dollars in legal claims -- into a separate corporate entity.

    That entity will be inadequate, of course. And when the money's gone, the money will be gone.

    digby

    Freedom, what we are fighting for.... I bet they couldn't do this sort of thing in Saudi Arabia.

    question (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by CST on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 12:12:55 PM EST
    in order to declare bankruptcy - doesn't a company actually have to be going bankrupt?

    As far as I can tell, BP has enough dough to cover the cost of clean-up - plus some.

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    You don't have to "be going bankrupt" (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Peter G on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 10:09:11 PM EST
    to "declare bankruptcy."  To file for bankruptcy court protection, your liabilities must exceed your assets.  That, BP might be able to show.

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    Give 'em some time... (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 12:30:17 PM EST
    to move the shells in the shell game around...I'm sure they can make themselves broke enough for bankruptcy on paper.

    Don't think it will happen though, or a take over...BP is too important to the UK economy, especially as they try to diversify away from finance, I think a bail-out is more likely...Joe and Jane UK Taxpayer will be on the hook for the clean-up, by hook or by crook.

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    IANAL (none / 0) (#36)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 12:41:46 PM EST
    Nor a biz person, but I imagine that the creativity that congress has allowed the corporations includes letting them reorganize so that BPspillCo can be a subsidiary of BP and that company. BPspillCo goes Chapter 11, but is sold as part of the profitable BP, all a good deal for Exxon et al. No liability and cheap price.

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    True, all scenarios are possible, (none / 0) (#41)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 01:23:11 PM EST
    as well as a sale to China National Offshore Oil or just sale of some component parts.  And, it would be something we would read in the morning  paper (pending US approvals) as  we sip our coffee. Then, the wonderment.  Why, did we not find a way to seize assets or something?

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    Oh no doubt (none / 0) (#55)
    by ruffian on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 02:40:20 PM EST
    'the smartest guy in some room' is figuring it out. The only missing piece is probably how they can work in a bailout from the Feds. On the hotline to Geithner as we speak.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#57)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 02:49:23 PM EST
    That will be tricky, considering that they are British. Maybe they can register the BPspillCo as an American entity and present a case that since their failure is too big, they are too big to fail.

    Enough payola to Congress and they just might go for it.

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    Never fear! (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Anne on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 12:29:18 PM EST
    Goldman Sachs rides to the rescue!

    Separately, Goldman is leading efforts to fend off any potential takeover attempts for the U.K. oil major, according to a report in the Independent on Sunday.

    Goldman, as BP's regular advisor, is "rumored to be dusting off the company's defense playbook," the newspaper said.

    Of course Goldman is BP's regular advisor...now what do you think the chances are that the government will play hardball with BP???

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    Too funny. I was thinking (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by ruffian on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 02:38:15 PM EST
    someone has to be making money on the BP speculation. Figures it is Goldman.

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    about (none / 0) (#42)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 01:34:02 PM EST
    90-95%

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    90-95% (none / 0) (#43)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 01:44:12 PM EST
    chance we'll see strong words written and said.

    50-50 that anything of substance gets done.

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    we will (none / 0) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 01:50:05 PM EST
    see

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    define (none / 0) (#48)
    by CST on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 01:59:29 PM EST
    substance would have been my response.

    Because I bet there are different definitions running around here.

    I suspect we will see much stricter regulations on off-shore drilling but that it will continue in that format.  Some people might consider that substance, others, not so much.

    As for making BP pay, there is not enough money in the world to make this problem disappear.  So for some, something of "substance" in that regard is not possible.

    It all depends on your expectations and measurement of success.  And I wouldn't be surprised if your 95% had the same definition as someone else's 0%.

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    Stricter regulations (none / 0) (#49)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 02:10:44 PM EST
    Until you read the fine print.

    See: HIR.

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    What's the alternative (none / 0) (#50)
    by CST on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 02:16:23 PM EST
    stop fighting?  Don't regulate?

    And just because you think the regulations in HIR won't be effective, doesn't mean they won't be effective.

    See - 2014.  Time will tell the truth, I'm not taking your word for it.

    Now whether those regulations will do what you want them to do is another issue.  But I never pretended that forcing Insurance companies to provide more care was gonna make it cheaper for everyone.  In fact, that's the biggest critique I've had for HIR is that it does not control costs.  That doesn't mean the regulations won't "work".  That just means regulations don't control costs.

    I don't expect oil prices to go down because of stricter regulations either.

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    HIR (none / 0) (#53)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 02:38:10 PM EST
    is one example.  Haven't you learned that politicians say lots of things, and do lots of finger pointing, but when you read the fine print, it's always more trouble and doesn't do nearly what was promised.  

    You can't be that naive.

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    so let's just (none / 0) (#56)
    by CST on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 02:43:44 PM EST
    get rid of all regulations then, I mean, what's the point right?

    Nothing bad ever happens because of that...

    And no, not everything that ever get's passed is "always more trouble".  I mean, we might as well just shut down government entirely based on that logic - join the libertarians!

    Yes, everything that passes gets sold as the "best bill evaaa" by one side and the "worst bill evaaa" by the other side.  And the truth lies somewhere in the middle.  That doesn't mean it's always bad...

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    Yes (none / 0) (#58)
    by squeaky on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 02:51:02 PM EST
    jbindc usually espouses the conservative POV. Tricky devil, s/he got you to come up with the logical conclusion of her argument.

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    Please stop (none / 0) (#61)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 03:49:19 PM EST
    The fiction.  It's old and boring.

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    Anne asked (none / 0) (#62)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 03:51:40 PM EST
    What we thought the chances of anything really getting done were.  Capt Howdy was extremely optimistic and said 90-95%; I said 50-50 (based on the fact that all politicians of all parties like to sound tough when it is politically expedient to do so, but in reality not much gets done).  I don't think anywhere in that could you possibly read that I espouse getting rid of all regulation. We are talking about this particular instance, but you know that.

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    And I guess it seems to me (none / 0) (#63)
    by CST on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 03:54:38 PM EST
    like the argument you are making is that we won't get any meaningfull regulation in this particular instance because regulation can't and never is meaningfull.

    But maybe you have a different point, and you're just not making it.

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    I think my point was pretty clear (none / 0) (#66)
    by jbindc on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 04:26:10 PM EST
    There's a 50-50 chance that anything will really change with regards to how BP et al are treated. As long as they keep giving lots of money, the government won't really get tough with them - we'll have "just words".

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    Your comments in this thread (none / 0) (#68)
    by christinep on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 04:43:52 PM EST
    are not only perceptive, they are a good practical response to the bewailers who claim that if law/rules/regulation aren't perfect, scuttle the whole thing. But remember: Some cannot see what you said...because "there are none so blind as those who will not see." It is our own left's version of the right's pursuit of "purity" aka my-way-or-the-highway.

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    Whopping oversight: voters don't have to justify (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by Ellie on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 05:36:08 PM EST
    ... their votes before, during or after the process (secret ballot, remember?).

    It's the height of arrogance for "bewailers" such as yourself to complain that voters over there or over there are messing up the aspirations of parties or public servants.

    They actually ARE bound to be accountable for their statements, deeds and records.

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    all (none / 0) (#51)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 02:22:21 PM EST
    true

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    this is interesting (none / 0) (#46)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 01:50:43 PM EST
    Gay Couples Get Equal Tax Treatment

    The Internal Revenue Service has ruled that same-sex couples must be treated the same as heterosexual couples under a feature of California tax law. Advocates for the change say it is the first time the agency has acknowledged gay couples as a unit for tax purposes.


    Don't jump for joy yet. (none / 0) (#64)
    by coast on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 04:16:06 PM EST
    (a)This was a private letter ruling, so its only applicable to the couple that requested the ruling.

    (b)This doesn't mean that domestic partners start filing joint returns.  Even in the private letter ruling, the IRS states that the income is split into each individual's return.  My question related to this would be, what status does each partner use - single or filing seperate?  The chart provided in the article did not indicate what status was used to arrive at the figures.  My guess would be single, but is that really the correct status.

    Anyone know what status is used on CA. state returns?

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    as stated (none / 0) (#65)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 04:17:29 PM EST
    its interesting

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    ah, to be New Zealand (none / 0) (#47)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 01:53:28 PM EST

    or a New Zealander for that matter.

    The 2010 Global Peace Index is an attempt to quantify which countries are the most secure and the least violent. New Zealand is No. 1, Iraq is last, and the US is in the middle.


    today big yuk (none / 0) (#52)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jun 08, 2010 at 02:36:42 PM EST
    from the DINO newsgroup:

    "When I joined the military it was illegal
    to be homosexual, then it became optional.
    I'm getting out
    before Obama makes it mandatory."

    GySgt Harry Berres, USMC

     

    apparently this is extremely funny. who knew?