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Veterans Day Open Thread

I'll add my thanks to all who served. On Veterans' Day, I try to concentrate on those who served and are alive. Otherwise, there would be no difference between Veteran's Day and Memorial Day.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    MT (5.00 / 7) (#1)
    by coast on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 12:11:36 PM EST
    Thank your husband for his service.  And thank you and the rest of the family for everything you sacrifice to allow him to serve.

    Thanks to any other TLers who have or are serving as well.

    My Stepfather served in the Navy (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Jen M on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 03:39:44 PM EST
    at the tail end of WWII  (he was seventeen)

    My weird cousin was in the Marines flying one of them up and down planes. (Yeah, he's weird -- he graduated from the Naval Academy and chose the Marines. I mean really. Who does that?)

    My litte brother was in the Navy during the first Gulf war. Thank goodness not anywhere dangerous.

    I served 3 years in the Army, but nothing was going on at the time and I pretty much did then what have been doing since as a civilian.

    To all who served, to all their families:  Thank You!

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    I hope you are being facetious (none / 0) (#49)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 03:51:39 PM EST
    ...he graduated from the Naval Academy and chose the Marines. I mean really. Who does that?)

    Up to 1/6th of each graduating class from the Naval Academy goes to the Marines.

    :)

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    oh yeah :) (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Jen M on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 04:19:15 PM EST
    very much kidding

    He's a good and generous man :)

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    Whew! (none / 0) (#57)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 04:26:45 PM EST
    But, I've actually run into people who don't know the Navy grads can join the Marines (actually, I believe any service academy grad can switch services, no?)

    But as he's your brother, he's probably a little off anyways, because (I've been told) all brothers are.  ;)

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    Thank you coast (none / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 12:30:21 PM EST
    Thank you very much, I will convey your sentiments to the family soldier too.  

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    To my little brother (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Dadler on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 12:18:28 PM EST
    Still a Marine, now off the battlefield and working stateside. The military screwed his life badly last year, but he's a tough and honorable kid and he keeps doing his job. He'll be out of the service for good in the next year or so. Peace, bro.

    IMO we may also memorialize (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 12:21:50 PM EST
    on Veterans' Day those who made the ultimate sacrifice on our behalf.

    sure, but since our returning vets (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 12:42:10 PM EST
    have so many needs, I think it's important they have a day of their own.

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    I had entirely forgotten (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 12:51:13 PM EST
    the paper poppies.

    were the poppy fields (none / 0) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 12:59:03 PM EST
    the died in during WWII opium poppies?

    to lazy to google.

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    Poppy fields are WW I, not II. (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by caseyOR on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 04:01:33 PM EST
    The poppies in Flanders Field are a reference from World War I. Veterans Day, formerly called Armistice Day, honored the very day fighting in the first World War ended, Nov. 11, 1918. Remember? The War To End All Wars. Yeah, right.

    The whole time I was growing up the VFW gave out the paper red poppies on this day. I don't see them anymore. Is this no longer the custom here? I think the poppies are still worn in Great Britain.

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    the only reason I remember it (none / 0) (#53)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 04:04:43 PM EST
    is the Captain Beefheart song.
    no, I dont think they have done it here in years but I also remember it from my childhood.


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    An American woman started the poppy wearing (none / 0) (#54)
    by caseyOR on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 04:11:00 PM EST
    custom for this day. She was inspired by the John MacRae poem "In Flanders Field", which was written as a eulogy for a soldier who died in the 2nd Battle of Ypres in WW I.

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    And here is a little info (none / 0) (#56)
    by caseyOR on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 04:25:36 PM EST
    on how the tradition of poppies on Veterans day started.

    Read this.

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    A powerful poem (none / 0) (#61)
    by christinep on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 06:08:59 PM EST
    Our 6th grade teacher had the class memorize a few lines. And, I still remember: "In Flanders fields the poppies grow  amid the crosses row on row."

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    No (none / 0) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:21:51 PM EST
    They are corn poppies.  I think the only crimson somniferum poppy is Danish Flag, but they are crimson and white.

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    a font (none / 0) (#30)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:27:15 PM EST
    of useful information you are

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    Only about flowers (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:30:07 PM EST
    They are the love of my life though for some reason, since I was a kid.  And I get really upset when someone tells me it is illegal to grow one.  I'm a flower junkie.

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    awww nt (none / 0) (#48)
    by Jen M on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 03:41:37 PM EST
    a porpoise driven life (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:41:03 PM EST
    The actor Dick Van Dyke has claimed he was saved by a school of porpoises after he found himself adrift at sea on a surfboard.

     He claims he woke up, but could no longer see the beach. Van Dyke did not elaborate when the incident happened.

    "I woke up out of sight of land ... and I started paddling with the swells and I started seeing fins swimming around me and I thought, 'I'm dead!'", he said

    "They turned out to be porpoises [and] they pushed me all the way to shore. I'm not kidding."



    pfft (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 03:14:14 PM EST
    The National Public Radio
    Board of Directors held a public meeting Thursday in part to discuss the company's decision to fire news analyst Juan Williams, giving listeners a chance to voice their concerns directly to board members.

    One problem: No one showed up to comment.



    Remembering my first layoff (none / 0) (#3)
    by Dadler on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 12:21:07 PM EST
    my thanks to all who served (none / 0) (#6)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 12:38:39 PM EST
    +1


    this is sort of funny (none / 0) (#8)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 12:43:27 PM EST
    from Nov 8 NYTimes

    Mr. Obama's family rented the guest house inside a compound belonging to a prominent physician. There, according to the neighborhood's longtime residents, the young Obama, who had already experienced differences in class and religion in his short stay in Indonesia, was exposed to another aspect of Jakarta's diversity.

    His nanny was an openly gay man who, in keeping with Indonesia's relaxed attitudes toward homosexuality, carried on an affair with a local butcher, longtime residents said. The nanny later joined a group of transvestites called Fantastic Dolls, who, like the many transvestites who remain fixtures of Jakarta's streetscape, entertained people by dancing and playing volleyball.

    somewhat less funny from the same piece

    One time, recalled the elder son, Slamet Januadi, now 52, Mr. Obama asked a group of boys whether they wanted to grow up to be president, a soldier or a businessman. A president would own nothing while a soldier would possess weapons and a businessmen would have money, the young Obama explained.

    ...

    "Then Barry said he would become president and order the soldier to guard him and the businessman to use his money to build him something," Mr. Januadi said. "We told him, `You cheated. You didn't give us those details.' "



    We are taking our veteran out to dinner (none / 0) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 12:45:46 PM EST
    at his favorite eatery.  If you know a vet who could use a free meal, Applebees is offering a free entree to veterans and active duty today.  Golden Corral is offering a free meal on November 15 to veterans and active duty.  They are asking for you to bring your military I.D. though.  The Outback Steak house is offering a free bloomin onion and beverage, but I wish they would have made it a meal.  Many damaged veterans currently don't have jobs.

    I gotta see if my... (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 12:56:09 PM EST
    WWII vet great uncle still has an ID, the cheap bastard never met a free meal he didn't like:) Thanks for the heads up!

    He must cuz he gets all his medical/dental care at the VA Hospital.  Was gonna stop by on my home to check on him and wish him a Happy Vets Day anyway, I'll see if he wants to go to Applebees!

    As for not so nice to vets...last I spoke to him he was railing on the NYSDMV for making him pay for a 10 year drivers license renewal, he thinks they should offer it yearly to people over 80. He was really steaming...I guess hatred of all things DMV run in my family:)

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    I'm gonna eat at Applebee's today or tomorrow (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by republicratitarian on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:05:35 PM EST
    I'm a veteran but I don't want the free meal, but I'm going to support them for doing something simple and worthwhile for veterans.

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    in any just world (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:10:18 PM EST
    there would be free meals for life anytime they are needed.

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    It is swell isn't it? (none / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:10:58 PM EST
    I'd rather that the needy vets get in there and have a meal today too.  Nobody here misses a meal.

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    Golden Corral (none / 0) (#40)
    by cawaltz on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 02:25:46 PM EST
    does theirs on the 15th this year. It's actually nice that they are staggering it a little bit. This way the disadvantaged vets can get a couple of meals.

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    He makes it through standing in line (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:09:30 PM EST
    with the military?  That drives me crazy.  I could get my asthma meds free if I would wait four hours at Lyster, but I can't bring myself to do it.  I pay $4 per prescription at a commercial pharmacy instead.  If he regularly takes advantage of his vet benefits at the VA, then he does know where his I.D. is :)  Applebees is running all day today, Golden Corral on the 15th though I guess is only from 5pm to 9pm.

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    I gotta tell ya... (none / 0) (#31)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:27:53 PM EST
    all my great uncle does is rave about the VA Hospital...the one over here in Northport must be immune from all the whack sh*t I hear coming out of other VA hospitals.  He gets more free meds than he'll ever need via mail, free rides back and forth, they even clip his toenails for goodness sake.  I bust on him sometimes not to abuse the benefits, save some for his fellow vets!

    Me thinks the WWII vets get treated a little better than the Vietnam, Gulf War I, Gulf War II, Afghanistan, and non-combat vets.  Just a feeling.

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    PTSD is formidable (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 02:08:19 PM EST
    Even though WWII vets deal with it too, but many soldiers going into WWII were older men.  The young brain still hardwiring is so vulnerable to PTSD.  I think because there are no easy solutions for PTSD they shaft some of the vets.  It's too hard.  Dealing with PTSD is very long term and requires a large numbered dedicated staff.

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    Two more cultural (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 12:46:14 PM EST
    recommendations:  Janacek's next-to-last opera "The Makropulos Case" (@ San Francisco Opera)  and Tarell Alvin McCraney's play "Marcus or the Secret of Sweet" (@ ACT).

    Veteran's Day Poppy (none / 0) (#11)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 12:47:33 PM EST
    I cry but I can't buy
    Your Veteran's Day poppy
    It don't get me high
    It can only make me cry
    It can never grow another son like the one who warmed me my days
    after rain and warmed my breath
    My life's blood
    Screamin' empty she cries
    It don't get me high
    It can only make me cry
    Your Veteran's Day poppy

             -Capt Beefheart

    Congratulations on... (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:02:25 PM EST
    becoming a father, you have the right to remain silent.

    Seems like a certain PA nurse forgot "do no harm" when she dropped that dime.  

    I saw that (none / 0) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:04:55 PM EST
    pretty funny quote

    "I'm having a baby and wanted to get a buzz,"

    seems completely understandable to me.

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    guess weed didn't make him sterile (none / 0) (#18)
    by Dadler on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:08:34 PM EST
    Just made him a target.

    Nurse Ratched strikes again. Just let us watch the goddamn World Series already.

    Got a new memoir blog post up. And the poker profits are over $11,000 with ten in the bank. Absurd.

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    damn (none / 0) (#22)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:11:01 PM EST
    I am in the wrong line of work

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    You're my hero... (none / 0) (#26)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:21:32 PM EST
    my ideal...a freakin' golden god of gambling! Ride that rush holmes!

    $499,999,000 more and The Art Party is full bankrolled to become a political force in the USA!

    You may have seen my comment about my sister the RN before, my total opposite...she is anti-reefer as they come.  Even she looked the other way when reefer was brought to cancer patients in her care.  Granted that isn't the case here, but I don't think my sister woulda called the cops, and my brothers and I call her Nurse Ratched all the time:)

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    i love the internet (none / 0) (#45)
    by Dadler on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 03:31:21 PM EST
    Dang work firewall is blocking the site (none / 0) (#23)
    by republicratitarian on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:16:02 PM EST
    I guess tokeofthetown.com is not on our approved list, lol.

    Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

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    try (none / 0) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:18:01 PM EST
    That worked, thanks (none / 0) (#35)
    by republicratitarian on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:50:01 PM EST
    purge purge PURRRRRRRGE (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:20:51 PM EST
    Another bloody Republican Senate primary election season is taking shape for 2012, with potentially serious intra-party challenges percolating in close to a half-dozen states.

    Polls indicate that at least two veteran GOP senators are highly vulnerable to challenges on their right flank -- Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch and Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe - and there are rumblings about potential GOP bids against Nevada Sen. John Ensign, Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison and Indiana Sen. Dick Lugar as well.

    THEN BINGE

    Hatch is as conservative as they come (none / 0) (#60)
    by MKS on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 05:51:16 PM EST
    He did support the Park 51 Islamic Center--knowing that Mormons in glass houses don't throw stones.....

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    Springsteen news (none / 0) (#28)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:26:25 PM EST
    Bruce Springsteen will perform live on NBC's Late Night With Jimmy Fallon on November 16.

    The taping will take place on Tuesday afternoon/evening, to air that night (early Wednesday morning) at 12:35 a.m. Eastern/11:35 Central.



    That's awesome... (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:46:34 PM EST
    I just entered the sweepstakes for tickets...gonna play some stuff off the new Darkness boxset...fingers crossed!

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    Yeah, I entered too. (none / 0) (#36)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 02:00:58 PM EST
    If I win I'll give the tix to you.

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    this (none / 0) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 01:26:29 PM EST
    PPP's newest batch of 2012 Republican primary polls conducted right before last week's election finds Mitt Romney ahead in the critical early state of Florida, Tim Pawlenty surprisingly weak in his home state of Minnesota, and Sarah Palin posting leads in Texas, Wisconsin, West Virginia, and Maine.

    The most important state to the nomination process on this list is Florida and there Romney's ahead with 28% to 22% for Palin and 15% for Newt Gingrich and Mike Huckabee.

    and this


    On this week's edition of The Brody File Show, Tea Party Express Chairwoman Amy Kremer says a Mitt Romney presidential bid will run into major trouble with the Tea Party because of the healthcare plan he put in to place as governor of Massachusetts.


    Mitt will still be it! (none / 0) (#59)
    by MKS on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 05:49:04 PM EST
    Weird, huh?

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    Not (none / 0) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 06:39:22 PM EST
    surprised about Pawlenty. I don't think he appeals to anyone.

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    Except (none / 0) (#38)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 02:21:30 PM EST
    Otherwise, there would be no difference between Veteran's Day and Memorial Day.

    There actually IS a difference, historically speaking, even though in modern times it is to honor those who have served.  The day was originally called "Armistice Day" and was in commemoration of the ending of WWI.  ("The eleventh hour, of the eleventh day, of the eleventh month.")

    Interesting factoid from Wiki:

    The reason the truce was to go into effect on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th Month was as a remembrance of the Feast of the Soldier later Bishop, St. Martin of Tours, which is celebrated on November 11.

    And some more history:

    The U.S. President Woodrow Wilson first proclaimed an Armistice Day for November 11, 1919. In proclaiming the holiday, he said

        "To us in America, the reflections of Armistice Day will be filled with lots of pride in the heroism of those who died in the country's service and with gratitude for the victory, both because of the thing from which it has freed us and because of the opportunity it has given America to show her sympathy with peace and justice in the councils of the nations."

    The United States Congress passed a concurrent resolution seven years later on June 4, 1926, requesting that the President (Calvin Coolidge) issue another proclamation to observe November 11 with appropriate ceremonies. An Act (52 Stat. 351; 5 U.S. Code, Sec. 87a) approved May 13, 1938, made the 11th of November in each year a legal holiday; "a day to be dedicated to the cause of world peace and to be thereafter celebrated and known as 'Armistice Day'."

    In 1953, an Emporia, Kansas shoe store owner named Alfred King had the idea to expand Armistice Day to celebrate all veterans, not just those who served in World War I. King had been actively involved with the American War Dads during World War II. He began a campaign to turn Armistice Day into "All" Veterans Day. The Emporia Chamber of Commerce took up the cause after determining that 90% of Emporia merchants as well as the Board of Education supported closing their doors on November 11 to honor veterans. With the help of U.S. Representative Ed Rees, also from Emporia, a bill for the holiday was pushed through Congress. President Dwight Eisenhower signed it into law on May 26, 1954.

    Congress amended this act on June 1, 1954, replacing "Armistice" with Veterans, and it has been known as Veterans Day since



    its not even thanksgiving 2010 (none / 0) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 02:23:07 PM EST
    POLITICO, NBC News co-host first 2012 debate at Reagan Library

    The debate, sponsored by the Reagan Presidential Foundation, will be held at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Museum in Simi Valley, Calif., during the spring of 2011



    Are you surprised? (none / 0) (#41)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 02:29:29 PM EST
    Sigh.  It's going to be a long two years with these clowns in our faces every waking moment.

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    Another year of this (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 02:53:07 PM EST
    administration and a bunch of Republicans in my face and I will need a Woodstock :)

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    or (none / 0) (#43)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 02:59:11 PM EST
    electroshock

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    TSA's new book for kids (none / 0) (#46)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 03:37:59 PM EST
    "My First Cavity Search: Helping your child understand why he may be a threat to national security."

    Palace of the Legion of (none / 0) (#50)
    by oculus on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 03:57:30 PM EST
    Honor today:  military id--free admission. Beautiful place. Lots of museum goers today.

    Obama is going to escalate (none / 0) (#52)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 04:02:32 PM EST
    a secret war in Yemen.

    The Obama Administration has U.S. military trainers on the ground in Yemen and has already launched an attack and possibly multiple attacks in the country, drawing relatively little public attention and virtually no debate in Congress. Analysts and news reports suggest that the administration is now poised to escalate the secret war in Yemen, possibly by launching drone attacks targeting suspected terrorists.

    The attention of the U.S. media briefly re-centered on Yemen late last month after explosives originating from the Gulf nation were found on two cargo planes in Britain and Dubai. The Obama Administration has fingered the Yemen-based group Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) as responsible for the failed attempt. (AQAP also claimed responsibility.)  This is the same group that claimed responsibility for the failed attempt by Nigerian national Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab to blow up a Detroit-bound plane on Christmas Day 2009.

    But less attention has been paid to U.S. attacks on targets in Yemen -- of which there have been at least two since 2002 -- and the U.S. military role in training Yemeni forces as well as helping them carry out air strikes.

    All of this is taking place in a nation that is beset by a struggling economy, two civil conflicts, and what has been called a "looming" water shortage.

    We have a looming water shortage too?

    Recent Homicide in El Paso, Texas (none / 0) (#58)
    by MKS on Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 05:46:32 PM EST
    Everyone has heard about the drug violence in Juarez, Mexico--the sister city of El Paso, Texas.

    The El Paso Times reports on a recent homicide in El Paso.  A man ran down another in his truck.

    It was the fourth homicide in.....one week?  one month?

    Nope.  It was the fourth homicide in El Paso for all of 2010.  
    The average in El Paso is about 10 a year.  There was a recent uptick due to soldiers at Ft. Bliss back from Iraq.  That added three or four more one year.  Back in the day, there were probably a lot more homicides with Old West style gun fights and Pancho Villa just across the river....But the more Latino El Paso has become the more peaceful....

    El Paso is by most accounts 80% Latino. Probably has untold numbers of those there illegally.  But a crime wave, menacing Latinos that Sharron Angle warned you about?  Not.

    And all that violence in Juarez is about drugs, not about illegal immigration.