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Wednesday Afternoon Open Thread

Hillary Clinton is slated to give a "major speech" today. I have no idea what it is about or where it will be given. Just heard Andrea Mitchell say that.

The Tour de France has been uneventful the past 2 days. Big days in the Alps lie ahead.

President Obama seems to be putting his shoulder to the wheel on health care. Senator Dodd's Health Committee pushed out a bill with mandates (employer and individual). Max Baucus' committee has yet to be heard from.

While actual legal issues and judicial philosophy have not really been a part of the Sotmayor hearings, particularly with regard to the Ricci case, it is still worth noting the actual facts and law of that case. The National Women''s Law Center provides a good post on the matter.

This is an Open Thread.

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    first-time-buyers (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by nycstray on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:41:06 PM EST
    extend beyond the young. Many who have been laid off and/or had to give up their employer HC because of costs will be first time buyers in the market. Even though there is help for COBRA folks right now, not everyone can afford it.

    Have you seen any dollar figures attached to what it will cost us? Because helping the cost 63% for the first year (or whatever) isn't really much help. Our incomes don't generally increase that much from year to year to be able to suddenly absorb the full cost when the subsidy runs out. In one year, the insurance market could look like the mortgage market if they aren't careful . . .

    The subsidy short fall ... (none / 0) (#17)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:46:07 PM EST
    could ruin this effort.

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    Many reasons to be older first-time buyer (none / 0) (#24)
    by hollyfromca on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:53:45 PM EST
    If your company files Chapter 7 there is no COBRA, divorce, death of spouse, older spouse who retires (if your insurance is through spouse).

    It will be interesting to see the cost and subsidy numbers.

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    Just heard McCain (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:45:45 PM EST
    state in relationship to health care that the deficit is the largest that America has ever experienced during peace time.

    I must have hearing problems because I could swear that the Republicans during Bush's administration cited the fact that we were at war as justification for everything that they did. Also, having a real problem with math since somehow I thought that the billions that we spent and continue to spend in Iraq was a major contributor to the current deficit.
     

    So, the solution would be for Obama (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:32:24 PM EST
    to keep his promise to get out of Iraq.

    As, yes, this is the largest deficit ever -- and, of course, not just because of the war in Iraq.  As ever, the rich have gotten richer, even under Dems.

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    SOFA (none / 0) (#77)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:18:02 PM EST
    In case you missed it late nov 2008 SOFA was signed between US and Iraq. So far it is on schedule. Troops are no longer allowed in major cities and have all withdrawn to US bases in Iraq:

    The Iraqi Parliament has passed a US-backed security agreement and a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA), which calls for the removal of all US troops from Iraq by December 31, 2011. The agreement also calls for the removal of US Forces from all Iraqi cities, towns, and villages no later than this June. Before this date, all US Forces must be relocated to US Military facilities located outside of Iraqi cities, towns, and villages, where they will continue to provide training to Iraqi security forces, and be available for support and assistance upon request from the Iraqi government.

    link

    More background here.


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    Didn't miss it. It's a step (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:21:09 PM EST
    but also read that WH admits we will have a huge number of troops there, including 'way too many National Guard, for a long time to come.  

    So it's not what was promised.  That's all.  Bye.

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    Got A Link? (none / 0) (#83)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:38:04 PM EST
    Or are you just referring to old news?

    This seems to be the current plan:

    The Obama Administration has decided to end combat operations in Iraq by August 31, 2010.  However, under President Obama's plan, about 50,000 American soldiers will remain under a modified mission until the end of 2011.  Some of the troops currently serving in Iraq will move to Afghanistan, where 57,000 American troops are now serving.

    link

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    Yes, and those costs weren't even counted. n/t. (none / 0) (#34)
    by sallywally on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:21:40 PM EST
    Gosh, if only this insurance plan gave (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by masslib on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:51:11 PM EST
    me any hope at all.  I feel like I'm living in a parallel universe or something.  As someone who already lives with this insurance scheme in MA, I know it's a fail. To see people on the Left rallying around is a bit deja vu and extremely depressing.

    This is the exact same plan? n/t (none / 0) (#36)
    by sallywally on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:22:35 PM EST
    Yes. (none / 0) (#62)
    by masslib on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:37:22 PM EST
    Yes.

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    170,000? (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:20:26 PM EST
    It might not be unreasonable for such a fuel-efficient vehicle, but anybody who could afford it is gonna prefer a Bentley, except maybe Daryl Hannah.

    That's a high price (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:32:19 PM EST
    but the fact that it is a death trap means that many owners will get to save on their long-term fuel costs.

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    And to think in a previous post just above (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:39:43 PM EST
    that I referred to myself as cynical. Wow, I got no game.

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    Whew! (none / 0) (#56)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:00:46 PM EST
    Man, you are on a roll today....

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    How many bicycles (none / 0) (#63)
    by Fabian on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:37:35 PM EST
    electric bikes, scooters and horses will $170,000 buy?

    I'm still miffed that my ten year old Saturn SL2 still gets better gas mileage than any of the current crop of Saturns, including their hybrid!

    1999 SL2        33 city  40 highway
    2009 VUE hybrid 25 city  32 highway

    Pathetic!  We have the technology so why don't we use it?

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    1987 Honda Civic HF 57 MPG (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:41:33 PM EST
    The 1987 Honda Civic HF got an estimated 57 MPG (51 under today's guidelines) - more than even the best hybrid averages today. A friend of mine had one and it was a great car.

    Why? We want bigger cars, and Honda (and other manufacturers) cannot find a market for smaller, more fuel-efficient cars.

    When the smallest car that most people are willing to drive is a 4 door Civic or Prius, with all of today's safety features, it's no wonder that gas mileage has suffered.

    From power everything to 12 airbags to enough trunk to haul around 10 bags of Cheetos, American's want bigger cars...



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    I'm convinced that as long as the propellant (none / 0) (#75)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:15:27 PM EST
    is reasonably priced and ample in supply, more economical vehicles are of little to no concern to us. Greenhouse effects?? global warming??? peak oil??? Eh, that's just that chicken little gobbledygook again.

    We Americans sort of have a tendency to ignore warning signs of impending problems until its too late. So, as far as economical cars go, we'll only change when we're forced to -- i.e. when the fuel costs eight bucks a gallon and the lines at the stations are like those during the oil embargo in the 70s.  

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    Oh man (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:43:35 PM EST
    I used to have one of those Saturns.  I think it was the final model year that they used the original body style.  Great car, I miss it.

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    That new Aston Martin wouldn't be too bad, K. (none / 0) (#35)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:22:26 PM EST
    Not a car person Easy D... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:28:00 PM EST
    point a to point b is my only concern, and the only ones that catch my eye on the road are the classics.

    Wouldn't mind one to sell though and roll the cash over into something of value...like another couple vacations:)

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    Blame it on my age, KD. (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:36:56 PM EST
    I passed the 55 year old milestone several days ago. I've never handled birthdays very well. So here I am, a cantankerous cynical old dude trying to maintain his youth by virtue of some darned automobile. Maybe you're right. more vacations are in order.

    Now I must go take a nap.  

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    Happy Birthday... (none / 0) (#51)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:47:06 PM EST
    you old goat:)

    And don't go by my reasoning of what has value...pursue your happiness wherever you may find it...I just happen to find it in experiences over material possesions.

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    Thanks for the happy birthday. (none / 0) (#54)
    by easilydistracted on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:58:52 PM EST
    I'll even let the old goat part pass, without comment.

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    I'm a NY'er brother... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:10:33 PM EST
    busting balls is a way to express admiration and friendship.

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    Somethings got to give... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:30:55 PM EST
    I hear that...an affordable fuel efficient way to get around or our suburban way of life...hopefully the brainiacs come up with something before things get too ugly.

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    Hell yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 11:59:04 PM EST
    I just read that the DOD contractor reservist Maj who is challenging his deployment orders by saying that Obama isn't an American just got fired from his cushy military contractor job.  I don't care what kdog says, there is a God!

    Excerpts from Hillary's speech (none / 0) (#1)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:19:41 PM EST
    here

    Speech will be about foreign policy:

    On the foreign-policy challenges and President Obama:

    -- "...the international agenda today is unforgiving: two wars, conflict in the Middle East, ongoing threats of violent extremism and nuclear proliferation, global recession, climate change, hunger and disease, and a widening gap  between rich and poor. All of these challenges affect America's security and prosperity. And all threaten global stability and progress."

    -- "For President Obama and me, the question is not whether our nation can lead, but how it will lead in this new global context."

    -- "...we have the right strategy, the right priorities, the right policies. We have the right President. And we have the American people, diverse, committed, involved and open to the future."

    On the foreign-policy priorities:

    -- "reverse the spread of nuclear weapons, prevent their use, and build a world free of their threat;"
    -- "isolate and defeat terrorists and counter violent extremists while reaching out to Muslims around the world;"
    -- "encourage and facilitate the efforts of all parties to pursue a comprehensive peace in the Middle East;"
    -- "pursue global economic recovery and growth - by strengthening our own economy, advancing a robust development agenda, expanding trade that is free and fair, and boosting investment that creates decent jobs;"
    -- "combat climate change, increase energy security, and lay the foundation for a prosperous clean-energy future;"
    -- "support and encourage democratic governments that protect the rights of and deliver results for their people;"
    -- "and stand up for human rights everywhere."

    On "smart power":

    -- "Not everybody in the world wishes us well or shares our values  and interests. Some will seek to undermine our efforts. In those cases, our partnerships will help constrain or deter their actions. And to these foes and would-be foes, let me say: You should know that our focus on diplomacy and development is not an alternative to our national security arsenal. You should never see America's willingness to talk as a sign of weakness to be exploited. We will not hesitate to defend our friends and ourselves vigorously when necessary with the world's strongest military. This is not an option we seek. Nor is it a threat; it is a promise to the American people."

    -- "...smart power counsels that we lead with diplomacy, even in the case of adversaries or nations with whom we disagree. We cannot be afraid or unwilling to engage. Yet some suggest that this is a sign of weakness or naiveté - or acquiescence to these countries' repression of their own people. That is wrong. The President and I believe that refusing to talk to countries rarely punishes them. And as long as engagement might advance our interests and our values, it is unwise to take it off the table."

    On Iran:

    -- "We watched the energy of Iran's election with great admiration, only to be appalled by the manner in which the government used violence to quell the voices of the Iranian people, then tried to hide its actions by arresting foreign nationals, expelling journalists, and cutting off access to technology. As we ... have made clear, these actions are deplorable and unacceptable... Neither the president nor I have any illusions that direct dialogue with the Islamic Republic will guarantee success. But we also understand the importance of trying to engage Iran and offering its leaders a clear choice: whether to join the international community as a responsible member or to continue down a path to further isolation."



    Why the emphasis by the Pres. (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:22:07 PM EST
    on the care provided by nurses?  Is that the plan?

    Because it made him ... (none / 0) (#10)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:39:34 PM EST
    look like Derek Flint.

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    Ha. Wiki plot summary is extremely (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:43:36 PM EST
    amusing.  Sorry I missed the movie.

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    There are two of them ... (none / 0) (#20)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:48:20 PM EST
    both very entertaining.  And available on DVD in a nifty two-pack.

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    Clinton's Speech Preview (none / 0) (#3)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:22:49 PM EST
    Clinton is giving a speech this afternoon before the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington, D.C.

    According to excerpts of her prepared remarks that were shared with Foreign Policy, Clinton plans to say that "the international agenda today is unforgiving," with the United States facing "two wars, conflict in the Middle East, ongoing threats of violent extremism and nuclear proliferation, global recession, climate change, hunger and disease, and a widening gap  between rich and poor."

    "All of these challenges affect America's security and prosperity," the excerpts say. "And all threaten global stability and progress."

    But a key theme of Clinton's speech appears to be defending the administration's pursuit of negotiations with Iran over its nuclear program, despite widespread international outrage over the Iranian regime's violent crackdown on demonstrators protesting against alleged vote-rigging in the June 14 presidential election.

    Laura Rozen


    I was hoping (none / 0) (#5)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:26:59 PM EST
    that it would be a speech on the topic of the White House's onerous vetting requirements for federal applicants.  She sure seemed fired up about that!

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    Ha. Bad bad bad in light of resign. (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:34:24 PM EST
    of new auto czar.  

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    The transcript to Sec Clinton's speech (none / 0) (#93)
    by weltec2 on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 06:21:20 PM EST
    can be found here and the Q&A here.

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#95)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 06:56:32 PM EST
    Good speech, Smart Power...  I guess that is what happened in Honduras, lol. Lanny Davis is now working for the coup leaders.

    Also she wouldn't touch the settlement question. Too bad we caved on that issue. The US looked refreshingly tough toward Israel for a short time..

    All in all it is nice to see the big change in Washington and I do believe that we are going to regain some of our good will in the world even though there will be the requisite amount of BS shoveled out on a regular basis.

    I still think it's hard to justify not having our full government in place six months after we started. That's something that we've got to do something about, I think. (Applause.) I mean, we are trying to get our political leaders in place to work with our very dedicated Foreign Service and Civil Service employees, but we're still not there yet. And I had no idea when I was in the Senate asking a million questions of every nominee - (laughter) - how really shortsighted that was. (Laughter.)

    This was also right on. Right now it appears that we are a hybrid government with vestigial BushCo tentacles bogging us down.


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    On Clinton's Speech and the Tour (none / 0) (#4)
    by The Maven on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:24:09 PM EST
    Based on the reports so far, Secretary Clinton's speech (to be delivered at the Council on Foreign Relations) is to be on the power of diplomacy, with a caution to Iran that their window for engagement is, however, limited.

    An excerpt from the prepared remarks:

    "Smart power counsels that we lead with diplomacy, even in the case of nations with whom we disagree. We cannot be afraid or unwilling to engage. Yet some suggest that this is a sign of weakness or naiveté -- or acquiescence to these countries' repression of their own people. That is wrong. The president and I believe that refusing to talk to countries rarely punishes them. And as long as engagement might advance our interests and our values, it is unwise to take it off the table.

    "Negotiations can provide insight into regimes' calculations and the possibility -- even if it seems remote -- that a regime will, eventually, alter its behavior in exchange for the benefits of acceptance into the international community.

    "We know very well what we inherited with Iran. We know how far its nuclear program has advanced -- and we know that refusing to deal with the Islamic Republic has not succeeded in altering the Iranian march toward a nuclear weapon, reducing Iranian support for terror, or improving Iran's treatment of its citizens. Neither the president nor I have any illusions that direct dialogue with the Islamic Republic will guarantee success. But we also understand the importance of trying to engage Iran and offering its leaders a clear choice: whether to join the international community as a responsible member or to continue down a path to further isolation.

    "Direct talks provide the best vehicle for presenting and explaining that choice. . . . Iran can become a constructive actor in the region if it stops threatening its neighbors and supporting terrorism. It can assume a responsible position in the international community if it fulfills its obligations on human rights. The choice is clear. We remain ready to engage with Iran, but the time for action is now. The opportunity will not remain indefinitely."

    And while there isn't too much of great consequence going on with the TdF the past couple of days, watching the cyclists course through the countryside in the center of France has been a relaxing tonic to all the posturing in DC.

    She forgot North Korea. (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:54:42 PM EST
    GE (et al) Bring Good Things To Life (none / 0) (#6)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:29:09 PM EST
    Wonderful: your most horrible military-death-cyborg-synergy dreams come true.

    A Maryland company under contract with the Pentagon is developing a robot that can burn organic material and use collected debris as fuel -- including, but not limited to, things like sticks, grass, debris -- and dead bodies.

    Raw Story

    Soylent Gasoline is made of...!!! n/t (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by lilburro on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:57:09 PM EST
    The Flux Capacitor! (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by steviez314 on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:15:40 PM EST
    With 1.21 Jigawatts of power!!

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    How about we develop... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:02:28 PM EST
    a car that runs on debris, why a death machine?  Don't we have enough ways to snuff people?

    Not to mention that about all we've got left to give war-mongers pause is the human cost, or at least the American human cost...once grunts are replaced by robots we'll invade and occupy like rabbits screw.

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    They can have (none / 0) (#49)
    by CST on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:40:42 PM EST
    my body when I croak.  Minus the vital organs of course.  I always hoped I'd leave something usefull behind :)

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    We do... (none / 0) (#52)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:48:26 PM EST
    leave something useful behind...food for worms and soil enrichment...nature can have me, not Robocop.

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    Nah (none / 0) (#69)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:52:38 PM EST
    Most graves in the US are cement lined. The earth does not get enriched, just a bit contaminated by the heavy alkalinity of wet cement.  

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    I always figured (none / 0) (#70)
    by CST on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:58:16 PM EST
    I'd go the ashes route.  Might as well burn me for a purpose.  Although I am not sure I want to be powering this robot, I am totally down with becoming an alternative fuel.

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    Just make sure your family agrees (none / 0) (#74)
    by Anne on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:11:31 PM EST
    with your decision, because in Maryland, at least, you will not be cremated if your family does not give their permission.  I suppose that if you pre-plan and pr-pay for the arrangements, such permission would not be needed, but not that many people do that.

    The same is true of organ donation - even with the organ donor designation on your driver's license, if your next of kin won't authorize it, it won't happen.

    This all speaks to making sure your family know what your wishes are, so that at least if they have to make those kinds of decisions, they can factor in what they know you wanted.

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    didn't know that (none / 0) (#76)
    by CST on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:17:13 PM EST
    That's a weird law.  I would think licenses (personal preference of the deceased) would be more than enough.  Although my family (to date) is certainly down with the organ donation and cremation.  I think we've all got the same end of life plans.  None of my grandparents were buried.  I know my immediate kin are all organ donors.  They would probably donate and burn me whether I wanted them to or not :)

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    Thanks for the education... (none / 0) (#71)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:01:22 PM EST
    another reason to look at cemetaries as a waste of space, we're not even feeding the worms no more...I'm going cremation for sure.

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    Yeah Me Too (none / 0) (#72)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:04:53 PM EST
    Although there has been a recent wave of "green" cemeteries popping up.

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    Are you listening to GOP (Hatch and (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:38:44 PM EST
    others) re the health plan?  One sd. "elections have consequences," and then sd. the consequence of this plan is to burden the young.  (snk.)

    Hatch said it would bankrupt (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by sallywally on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:19:05 PM EST
    ALL the states! Goll-ee, real scary, those terrorist Democrats...snk.

    I though Bush et al bankrupted the ENTIRE WORLD! And that's not snark.

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    What (none / 0) (#11)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:40:54 PM EST
    (besides  - wait for it - empathy) purpose, do you think, is served by having Frank Ricci testify in the Sotomayor hearings?  Yes, the R's will play up his struggle with dyslexia and the obstacles he had to overcome to score well on the test, and I don't discount that, but how will the D's question him?  Especially if they bring up the fact that the case decided by the Supreme Court was of reverse discrimintion, yet in 1995, he got hired as a firefighter because he claimed he was a victim of discrimination because of his disability?

    Or do you think they won't touch this with a ten foot pole, but will, instead, allow "anonymous sources" to push the story?

    They should ask him only 3 questions: (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by steviez314 on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:44:37 PM EST
    1.  Do you have any legal training?
    2.  How many of Judge S's opinions have you read and analyzed?
    3.  Do you think Judge S should have shown more empathy towards your case?

    No browbeating, bullying, etc.  Just 3 simple questions.

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    Perfect. If only (none / 0) (#45)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:34:14 PM EST
    some Dem's staffer were reading this.

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    Good questions, but it (none / 0) (#68)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:48:06 PM EST
    might be better to pare them to numbers 2 & 3.  Number l may not ride as well with Kohl, Feinstein, Franken, Kaufman, Coburn, or Grassley.  

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    That's why I didn't make the question (none / 0) (#73)
    by steviez314 on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:05:19 PM EST
    "Are you a lawyer?"

    At least those Senators have experience with the legislative/judicial process, have (mostly) questioned judges and have probably thought about the Constitution.

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    The framing of question number l (none / 0) (#82)
    by KeysDan on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:35:14 PM EST
    did not go unnoticed.  But still like your questions 2 and 3 better.  Besides, while Ricci is serving as a pawn for Sessions and friends, it would be counterproductive to devalue his position in that manner, in my view.

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    The better part of valor would be to (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:46:15 PM EST
    leave him alone.  Isn't he an automatic promotion recipient post-SCOTUS?

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    Yeah, but (none / 0) (#19)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 12:48:15 PM EST
    politcally, you can't just leave him out there with his rehearsed answers to softball questions go unanswered.

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    Judge Sotomayor was asked yesterday (none / 0) (#53)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:55:11 PM EST
    about the sympathetic Ricci et al. plaintiffs and the claimed attack by people for the American Way on Ricci.  Sotomayor made 2 great points:
    First, she did not believe a personal attack was appropriate (and, I think, he had the right to be heard by the Judiciary Committee); and
    Second, the 2nd Circuit expressed their great sympathy to Ricci & other plaintiffs and pointed out the Court's hands were tied by precedent. This response put a stop to questions about this.

    I think the Repugs are hoping Sotomayor will lose her cool or somehow say something they can make into headlines that will derail her appointment.  So far, they don't seem to be succeeding.

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    C-Span just intoned Judge (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:08:14 PM EST
    Sotomayor's husband had entered the hrg. room.  She has been divorced for years!

    Moral support? (none / 0) (#38)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:27:19 PM EST
    Perhaps he has arrived (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:31:21 PM EST
    to see if Sen. Graham is interested in apologizing to him.

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    What did I miss? (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:39:56 PM EST
    Sorry, I'm not as consumed with this (none / 0) (#50)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:43:27 PM EST
    as may be some others. I have no idea what you're referencing...

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    During Alito's confirmation hearing (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:00:37 PM EST
    Sen. Graham offered an impassioned apology to Mrs. Alito for the mean questioning the Democrats had directed at her husband.

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    Ah. Thanks. (none / 0) (#79)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:25:21 PM EST
    Don't you think steve m would (none / 0) (#80)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:28:09 PM EST
    hold up well under Senate judiciary comm. questioning?  Prodigious memory.

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    Yes I do think so. (none / 0) (#81)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:32:38 PM EST
    As I said to my wife (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:39:35 PM EST
    "you know, but for this concern about gender equity, I might have been the one to get that call!"

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    You are on a roll today. (none / 0) (#85)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:51:38 PM EST
    That's not how my wife put it! (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Steve M on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:53:44 PM EST
    Next time (none / 0) (#86)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:53:38 PM EST
    As soon as we get Scalia to step down - you're definitely on the short list, Steve!

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    Nah, I'm going to appoint him to the 15th seat! ;) (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by andgarden on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 04:06:56 PM EST
    steve m bantering with Al Franken. (none / 0) (#88)
    by oculus on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 03:54:57 PM EST
    Atay tuned.

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    The Problem with this... (none / 0) (#57)
    by gtesta on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:05:21 PM EST
    is a "net energy" problem.  It takes a substantial amount of energy to produce the hydrogen fuel.
    Bush had a plan to power cars on fuel cells...buried in the fine print was the plan to build 1000 nuclear fission power plants to produce the hydrogen.
    Now if we could only get a "Mr. Fusion" device on every car just like Doc Brown's Delorean.

    Not to mention little things like (none / 0) (#65)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:38:07 PM EST
    scale, storage and transport...

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    Gillibrand (none / 0) (#59)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:18:19 PM EST
    has a 2:1 advantage in money over Maloney in the NY Senate race.

    lost Michael Jackson video (none / 0) (#60)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:22:06 PM EST
    as far as I can tell this is real

    On the sixth take, though, things went horribly wrong: The fireworks erupted too early, igniting Jackson's head in flames. Jackson is at first unaware he's on fire, and continues dancing.

    the Pepsi commercial? (none / 0) (#61)
    by jbindc on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:34:55 PM EST
    yes (none / 0) (#64)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:37:57 PM EST
    I guess (none / 0) (#91)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 04:20:30 PM EST
    I am the only person in the world who never heard of this incident.

    but then I have not historically paid that much attention to MJ news.


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    got into a discussion (none / 0) (#89)
    by coigue on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 04:06:13 PM EST
    over at dkos about whether to lose abortion coverage in the public option if it helps get it through congress.

    Then this person claimed abortion rights were identity politics because it was only relevant to a portion of the population.

    I really need a bath.

    And they call themselves libruls (none / 0) (#96)
    by Cream City on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 06:58:10 PM EST
    there at the Big Orange.  Bleccch.

    A bath may not do it.  Disinfectant, maybe.

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    some of us were willing to fight (none / 0) (#97)
    by coigue on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 07:03:00 PM EST
    but too many were ready to put abortion rights on the table, first thing.

    aaarrgg!

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    Fresh Air (none / 0) (#92)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 05:10:33 PM EST
    The Obama administration has taken steps toward engaging not just Iran but other US foes like Syria, Cuba and Venezuela, but its hopes to engage North Korea have stumbled amid a showdown over Pyongyang's missile and nuclear programs.

    She [Hillary] rejected critics who suggest that engagement is "a sign of naivete or acquiescence to these countries' repression of their own people."

    Engagement, on the other hand, can provide insight into the calculations of a hostile regime and open up opportunities for change, no matter how remote, she said.

    AFP via TPM

    A Waft Stale Air (none / 0) (#94)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 06:24:07 PM EST
    So much for standing up to Israel:

    However, she stopped short of reiterating previous calls for Israel to freeze all settlements, saying Washington wanted Israeli action on settlements but understood it faced political challenges.

    The softer tone comes after a public clash between the Obama administration and the right-leaning Israeli government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over the calls for such a freeze.

    TPM


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    Interesting Take On Hillary as SOS (none / 0) (#98)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 11:19:00 PM EST
    NYT

    The implication, particularly emphasized by the photo, is that Hillary is being marginalized.

    With a few exceptions -- during the presidential primary campaign, she had derided the idea of engaging Iran -- the speech sounded like one Mrs. Clinton might have given as a candidate, when she sought to make her foreign policy credentials a trump card over the rival who is now her boss.

    Considering that Iran diplomacy was a major part of her speech, the author of this article, Mark Landler, appears to be making a case that Hillary is being sidelined.

    Interesting News (none / 0) (#100)
    by squeaky on Thu Jul 16, 2009 at 10:46:27 AM EST
    REYKJAVIK, Iceland -- Iceland's parliament voted by a narrow margin Thursday to apply for membership in the European Union, moving to relinquish some of the recession-hit country's cherished independence in the name of stability.
    Members of Iceland's parliament, the Althingi, voted 33-28 to start membership talks with the EU. Two lawmakers abstained.
    Prime Minister Johanna Sigurdardottir wants to submit a membership application to the EU by the end of the month.
    A final decision to join the 27-nation bloc would need approval by Icelanders in a referendum.

    AP