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Stuart Taylor Calls For Truth Commission

In a series of posts, I will be reviewing a series of disagreements that have arisen between he and I (from the legality, to the effectivness to the respect for the rule of law and many others, note also my apology for unfairly questioning Mr. Taylor's integrity) regarding his most recent article in the National Journal on torture (I wrote about that article here and other articles he authored or coauthored (see here and here) on this issues pertinent to the discussion. I want to start by praising Mr. Taylor, not burying him. In his most recent article, Taylor wrote that:

[President Obama] should commission an expert review of what interrogators learned from the high-value detainees both before and after using brutal methods and whether those methods appear to have saved lives. He should also foster a better-informed public debate by declassifying as much of the relevant evidence as possible, as former Vice President Cheney and other Republicans have urged.”

I am not sure that that is precisely what Vice President Cheney urged (Cheney wants certain documents HE selected declassified.) But to Taylor's credit, he wants it all declassified. As do I. Kudos to Mr. Taylor for his call for a Truth Commission. I'll explore other issues raised by Mr. Taylor in subsequent posts.

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    Before steve m arrives to bury, not (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by oculus on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 10:27:12 AM EST
    praise you, isn't it "between him and me"?

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    Yes, you're right. (none / 0) (#4)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 10:39:22 AM EST
    I'm frankly a little bit offended by the inquiry (5.00 / 4) (#6)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 10:42:36 AM EST
    I am not particularly interested in whether or not torture is "effective."

    I noticed (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 10:43:43 AM EST
    that too. So if torture is found to be "effective" in even ONE case that'll make it okay I guess.

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    it does seem (none / 0) (#13)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 11:29:38 AM EST
    to rather miss the point.  its depressing what the Bush years has done to the conscience of our country.

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    NO (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by txpublicdefender on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 10:53:01 AM EST
    [President Obama] should commission an expert review of what interrogators learned from the high-value detainees both before and after using brutal methods and whether those methods appear to have saved lives.

    I'm sorry, but NO!!!!  Whether those methods appear to have "saved lives?"  That is exactly the WRONG way to frame this debate.  There are all sorts of things we could do, I suppose, that would "save lives."  We could round up everyone in this country who is now, or has ever been, a Muslim.  We could wiretap every phone and perform sneak and peek searches on anyone who has ever been to a mosque.  But, actually, no, we can't do that because it is ILLEGAL.  You know, the same way that torture is ILLEGAL.  

    Uh, why? (none / 0) (#2)
    by bocajeff on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 10:35:20 AM EST
    We already know the truth.

    Are you from the future? (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by lilburro on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 11:08:23 AM EST
    What did we learn?

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    Yes, acting like this has a hope (none / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 10:41:03 AM EST
    of revealing the flaws in anyone's argument.  I don't want anyone being introspective either.

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    Thanks for the dialogue (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 10:38:12 AM EST
    I'll even go so far as to thank Taylor as well.  I don't like the cover of his book and he's willing to give me a look inside inspite of that.

    Who (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 10:43:02 AM EST
    exactly would be running this commission? It seems to me if there's at least one Bush apologist on the commission it won't work and if you don't put a Bush person on it there will be howls of it being "biased". I'm more in favor of the courts handling this simply because I think a report will mostly be ignored and nothing will change.

    Indeed, this is a good idea (none / 0) (#11)
    by vicndabx on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 11:17:12 AM EST
    foster a better-informed public debate by declassifying as much of the relevant evidence as possible


    OT Breaking News? (none / 0) (#12)
    by Saul on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 11:23:03 AM EST
    Sen Specter switching to Democratic party.

    I think the truth Taylor wants to find (none / 0) (#14)
    by Anne on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 11:44:10 AM EST
    is not the one most of us are looking for, is it?  I mean, I just want to know what happened, how it all happened, and I want to know who was involved, regardless of party affiliation.  And once the truth has been exposed, I would like us to take the appropriate actions against those who were culpable.

    I don't care whether torture "worked," and any commission that purports to make that determination its focus is not going to end well.

    Taylor clearly does care - that is quite evident from the rest of his article, where he begins to make the case, and doesn't forget to tell us that Democrats might have been involved; he still thinks this is just a partisan issue.  

    It's my opinion that he believes a commission will not only reveal torture to be effective, but it will totally vindicate the policies and actions of those responsible for them - including Democrats - and leave the door wide open for it to be a tool of future administrations.  

    Truth Commission?  Not if it's Taylor's version, no thanks.

    This is my view, as well. (none / 0) (#17)
    by KeysDan on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 03:57:55 PM EST
    It does not look like Mr. Taylor's definition of truth would be the right charge to the work of a truth commission.  His a priori seems to be that the ends justify the means, and the means justify the ends, too.  Now let's get out there and prove it! Laws and morality should not clutter up the commissions deliberations.

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    I'm fine with a truth commission or (none / 0) (#15)
    by Green26 on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 11:48:53 AM EST
    nonpartisan investigation.

    But what do you think will be learned that isn't already known, largely known or currently under investigation?

    It seems to me that so much is already known or will be known soon. It makes me wonder what some of you want to learn, or whether you're more out for blood.

    Okay, Taylor wants more known about effectiveness of the techniques. I'd like to know more about the pressures that may have been put on the lawyers writing the memos, and whether they went too far over the line in constructing the arguments. There's apparently aleady an internal investigation occurring on this subject.

    I suppose we'd find out what people like Pelosi were really told, and whether she's now selectively not remembering or lying.

    There was a very good NY Times article last week on the big picture of who was told what and who was involved in approving or going along with all of this.  It showed how many people were involved and informed. It also showed that this didn't get developed in some off-limits office of the White House or DOJ.

    You are banned from my threads (none / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 28, 2009 at 01:26:35 PM EST
    That is unrelated to this comment, which is fine.

    I do not want your comments in my threads anymore.

    You are free to comment in Jeralyn, Ethan;s and TChris' threads.

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