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Who's To Blame For The "Business As Usual" Disappointment ?

From the NYTimes:

Mr. Obama on his first day in office imposed perhaps the toughest ethics rules of any president in modern times, and since then he and his advisers have been trying to explain why they do not cover this case or that case. “This is a big problem for Obama, especially because it was such a major, major promise,” said Melanie Sloan, executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. “He harped on it, time after time, and he created a sense of expectation around the country. This is exactly why people are skeptical of politicians, because change we can believe in is not the same thing as business as usual.”

(Emphasis supplied.) The Times story continues:

. . . [S]o in these opening days of the administration, the Obama team finds itself being criticized by bloggers on the left and the right, mocked by television comics and questioned by reporters about whether Mr. Obama is really changing the way Washington works or just changing which political party works it.

I personally do not blame Obama. I blame those who allowed the slogan "change we can believe in" to become a substitute for explaining substantive policy and REAL change from the disastrous Bush years.

I never cared about phony lobbyist bans, and phony promises to "change Washington." I wanted to know about changes in POLICY. On the economy, foreign policy, civil liberties, income inequality and torture.

Too many people, especially during the Democratic primaries, became so blinded by the phony rhetoric that they forgot to ask about and cover the actually important questions on policy.

So when "change we can believe in" became signified by silly rules about lobbyists and changing the "culture of Washington," the important REAL SUBSTANTIVE changes necessary became a sidebar.

It so happens that these failings were mooted by the financial crisis. President Obama has a mandate now on everything. The mandate is to fix it. For some reason, perhaps involving 11 dimensional chess, he has been as focused on the post partisan unity schtick as he has been in finding solutions to the severe problems we face.

And yet, President Obama gained another reprieve - the House GOP opposed his plan unanimously. President Obama is now freed from worrying about post partisan unity. He tried after all.

It is high time, beyond time, for President Obama to focus like a laser on the solutions we need to solve the problems we face. Enough of the phony "change," time for the real thing. The stuff that can solve our problems. Time to be like FDR President Obama.

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    I blame vetting! (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by jedimom on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:06:57 AM EST
    shocker I blame DASCHLE! LOL!!! There must be SOMETHING to blame him for..

    but seriously the NYT OPED is calling for him to withdraw, more business as usual comments on his lobbying without the title and tax failures,

    that combined with the 17 waivers Obama has issued in less than 17 days for lobbyists to work there, I know BTD you arent big on that, but Obama was..

    I vividly remember the debates when he and Edwards went after Hill for lobbying ties yada yada yada....Obama himself made it a centerpiece and now it is biting him IMO

    Times oped daschle withdraw story

    media and his team (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by jedimom on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:08:15 AM EST
    this was his media message Change! Hope! New way or business! and the media rammed it through 24/7...of course there is a letdown when they go from Change You Can Believe In,

    to Change you cant see in less than a month.....

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    Didn't the slogan become "Be the Change" (none / 0) (#45)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 11:38:27 AM EST
    for the inauguration. The responsibility for change, if I remember correctly, was shifted to the citizens.

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    Chicago media were not fooled (5.00 / 0) (#33)
    by Cream City on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 10:17:01 AM EST
    so the provincial Eastern media really have to get out more -- or at least read John Kass, Lynn Sweet, et al., who knew and said that it would just be politics as usual.

    Kass, Sweet, et al., didn't let Obama off for capitalizing on this crap.  BTD and others who do not "blame" him are then saying that Obama is nothing but a mouthpiece for "just words" from others?  I hope not.  

    I hope there is a "there" there, because the buck stops there -- at Obama.  And at anyone who was fooled by slogans (especially since so many were plagiarized, another standard Chicago pol ploy:-).

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    Wait, maybe it's because (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Cream City on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 10:18:11 AM EST
    Eastern media don't know the Chicago word "bidness" -- as in "bidness as usual"?  Gosh, we could have translated for the poor provincial thangs. . . .

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    John Kass? You are (3.00 / 2) (#59)
    by JThomas on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 02:59:18 PM EST
    now buying John Kass?
    The man who still says invading Iraq was one of the greatest foreign policy moves in american history?
    Next this place will be swearing by Sean Hannity and Charlie Krauthammer. Hey, ya'll do have one thing in common with them..they hate our democratic president also.

    I find it amusing to read this thread...like this grand illusion that over 70 million voters for Obama is now crashing down.

    14 days in and it is all over for Obama.

    I love when folks on here think that ''Change'' is black and white... hundreds of non-lobbyists are hired where lobbyists were, but then two are hired and the whole change deal goes out the window.

    It is going to be a long 8 years for some of you..pity really.

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    Wow, you have got the wrong read (none / 0) (#60)
    by Cream City on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 04:44:12 PM EST
    but that is to be expected from your posts here.

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    No, (3.00 / 2) (#62)
    by JThomas on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 04:55:59 PM EST
    I read you loud and clear. You will line up with anyone that takes a shot at Obama, including the most despicable right-wingers. Guess you are bi-partisan after all.


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    Let's all calm down please (none / 0) (#63)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 05:15:08 PM EST
    I know, glass houses, but let's try it for fun's sake.

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    ok, (none / 0) (#64)
    by JThomas on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 06:07:09 PM EST
    I will be less sensitive.

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    You reall y ought to read John Kass (none / 0) (#67)
    by Cream City on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 08:54:37 PM EST
    columns, not just what you think he writes.

    You have revealed your agenda here, not his.

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    I have (none / 0) (#69)
    by JThomas on Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 12:07:52 AM EST
    subscribed to the Trib for over 20 years. I know Kass rather well at this point.

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    Obviously Obama wasn't (none / 0) (#19)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:38:58 AM EST
    and isn't.

    But this should come as no surprise. His campaign was littered with these types.

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    San Francisco Chronicle (none / 0) (#50)
    by hairspray on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 12:25:36 PM EST
    today, also calls on Daschle to withdraw.  Saves me telephoning my senators today.

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    Nice post, but I don't understand (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:19:07 AM EST
    why the blame doesn't lay with Obama.

    I think Obama will be in for a rough (5.00 / 0) (#52)
    by hairspray on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 12:30:02 PM EST
    ride with the media from now on.  Melanie Sloan points out how much of a priority it was for Obama to call for change and then to suddenly suspend the talk for "business as usual."  This will not go well with the media.  They hate to be made for suckers.  The people don't like it either, but so far it doesn't seem to have registered except for the blogs.

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    Duh (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:20:19 AM EST
    Obama and Axelrod sold a message of "change" (BTW - so did McCain - Obama had a better marketing plan behind him). Some voters ate it up, while others saw through the fog.

    Blame the messenger as well as those who bought into it.

    Time and again the fact was pointed out.... (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 11:49:41 AM EST
    by way of the simple fact the administration was no longer going to be Bush/Cheney, change was inevitable.

    The way Obama used Change as his Pied Piper's flute puts the responsibility for cleaning up the biggest problems squarely at his feet. Name a place on his resume that says he's ever been more than all talk.

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    Why NOT blame Obama? (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by rooge04 on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:28:54 AM EST
    He rode that BS message all the way to the White House. And here some of us were screaming, "What change?!?!" and were called every name in the book because we just didn't understand just how he was going to re-make Washington.

    You can't sweep that under the rug (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Saul on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:46:45 AM EST
    Of course, the majority of the people were starving for change and he played the voters with this change rhetoric like a Stradivarius and he wanted most of them to get drunk on the kool aid.   To now say well that this change meme is really not that  important because of the financial crisis we are in and I am  sorry that so many of you got so caught up on his change rhetoric is crazy.  Come on, it was his cornerstone of his existence in politics.  Had it not been for the collapse of the economy in September he might not have been elected.

    It will be the epitome of hypocrisy if you let him slide on this and then there will be no real distinction between him and Bush.

    There are probably many reasons why Obama is so caught up with the partisan deal.  One could be that he is obsessed with trying to emulate FDR, and Lincoln.  Maybe the bill just won't mean that much to him if it gets through only with democrats voting since he preached the bipartisanship theory over and over again during the primaries and the election campaign and he is obsessed with getting it done his way.

    Another reason could be for political cover.  If the bill fails he wants a majority of the republicans to be on board so that way he  can later say:

    You just can't blame the democrats for the bills failure.


    He can build a new (none / 0) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:49:53 AM EST
    substantive and actually meaningful cornerstone now.

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    He needs to do both (none / 0) (#28)
    by Saul on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:55:55 AM EST
    Keep to the first cornerstone one and build a new one

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    Ding, ding ding! (none / 0) (#41)
    by jbindc on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 10:44:46 AM EST
    If the bill fails he wants a majority of the republicans to be on board so that way he  can later say:

        You just can't blame the democrats for the bills failure.

    You hit the nail on the head.  OF COURSE that's the reason for all this nonsense.

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    Yup, a great leader (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 10:47:58 AM EST
    would worry less about covering his own arse and more about, you know, leading.

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    I don't really get why people (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by dk on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:47:22 AM EST
    think that Obama is compromising on the stimulus plan (and his economic policy generally).  Seems to me his proposals are very much in line with what he promised during the campaign.

    It so happens, I think, that post-partisanship fits his views quite well.  It allowed him to repeal the Bush craziness as far as torture was concerned, for example (as BTD has pointed out before, ending torture is not a progressive issue, as strong majorities of the American population adhere to an anti-torture position), as well as continuing corporatist economic policy.

    Obama is Obama. (none / 0) (#30)
    by Fabian on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:59:37 AM EST
    He isn't some radical, breaking the rules, shaking up the established order President - even if people believed he would be.

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    Well exactly. But that (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by dk on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 10:00:58 AM EST
    also means that he isn't some kind of stealth FDR either.

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    He didn't have to answer (5.00 / 0) (#26)
    by mmc9431 on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:50:00 AM EST
    There were many on the left that wanted answers over rhetoric. Unfortunately we were drowned out by those willing to believe in hope and change rather than hard facts.

    I fault those people and the media, who never pinned Obama down on any specifics. The debates are nothing more than infomercials. People need to insist on answers. (I personally couldn't ask the questions and I also couldn't insist on an answer).  

    As far as pushing Obama now, good luck with that. He's already won so where's to insentive now? He'll continue to operate as he is until 2011 when he goes into high gear for reelection.

    He won't wait till 2011 (5.00 / 0) (#37)
    by Slado on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 10:28:56 AM EST
    He is one thing and that's a good campaigner.   The trick will results be bad enough to drown out the message machine and will enough people who where more then happy to look the other way look the other way in 2012.

    Then again it could all work and it won't matter.

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    Of all the early missteps, ... (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by santarita on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 10:33:09 AM EST
    the appointment of Daschle is the most disappointing and foreboding.  Daschle's major credential (other than being an early advisor to Obama) is his 30 years of Inside the Beltway experience.  While this may qualify him to remain an advisor to the Pres, does it qualify his to lead the charge on health care reform?  I don't think so.  Health care reform is  a key to the economic well-being and health of the nation.  If Obama doesn't take charge of that issue and come up with bold initiatives, then the next President will.  

    The failure to pay taxes is disturbing for both Geithner's and Daschle's nominations.  I don't think these guys are dishonest or even ethically challenged.  Worrying about getting your taxes right is a concern for the vast majority of Americans.  Those two apparently didn't have such concerns.  It suggests to me that they are members of the ruling elite.  Maybe they care about the rest of us but they are too far removed to really appreciate our concerns and problems.   This insularity is what I had hoped that Obama could remedy,  And maybe he still can.  But he is getting off on the wrong foot.

    Obama's mistake was not in affirming (5.00 / 6) (#40)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 10:43:12 AM EST
    the people's desire for more honesty and transparency and ethics in government - that's been a given for as long as one group of people have been in charge of making decisions for a much larger group of people; elections by their nature and their process are about changing something, and with every election we resurrect our hope that maybe, this time things will be different.  

    Obama's mistake was in not confining his message of change to the larger ideological issues, and to the specific issues that had plagued us in the Bush years; he went to the next level and promised ethical changes - and those declarations were in pretty much every stump speech he gave.  People voted, in large measure, for that kind of change.

    Now, maybe people should not have allowed themselves to be sucked into believing it, but the fault is not the people who believed, it's the person who made the promises.  So far, anyway, it seems like the strongest of the believers are not giving up and are finding reasons to justify why it's okay that Obama's already broken most of the promises he made, but where Obama loses is with the people who took a leap of faith - the independents, those who just voted party lines, those who held their noses when they touched the screen - and now feel like they had the rug pulled out from under them.  I would bet that could be a significant chunk of what constitutes a president's approval ratings - at a time when the Congress should be riding that wave in their effort to carry out the legislative agenda.

    And I think Obama's even bigger mistake was in not having a coordinated, everyone-on-message, focused, stimulus plan with bullet-points that summarized the elements, their costs, their projected benefits and a timeline.  Something that looked like a finished product and not a work in progress.  Something that looked like the collective brilliant economic minds on his staff had gone all-in to put it together - with the input and cooperation of Democratic leaders.

    He failed the vetting test, in a pretty big way.  And he failed the explanation for why it didn't matter.  I was sickened this morning listening to the talk about the deference being given to and the reverence being accorded Daschle by Senate Democrats - he's one of their own, after all, and it appears they just could not be prouder.  Really.  What a guy.  

    But, wait!  There's more!  

    Tom Daschle backed the patron who paid him a million-dollar salary and supplied him with a free car and driver for a job inside the Obama administration, two Democrats said Monday.

    Leo Hindery, whose InterMedia Partners employed the former Senate majority leader, had been mentioned as a possible secretary of commerce or U.S. trade representative.

    "Tom was pushing for him," said one Democratic source.

    Obama's aides rejected Daschle's suggestion that a top job go to Hindery, for whose private equity fund Daschle had served as a rainmaker and adviser.

    Jenny Backus, who has been helping to shepherd Daschle through his confirmation process for the administration, declined to comment on discussions about a job for Hindery.

    But the news that Daschle did not pay taxes on the imputed income for the car and driver has put the spotlight on Hindery, a blustery, left-leaning mogul with an office in Chrysler Building, a table at the Four Seasons, and a passion for race cars, who has styled himself as organized labor's Robert Rubin.


    Yes, this is the kind of change Americans voted for, right?  To have such cognitive dissonance this early in the game makes me very uncomfortable, and I'm guessing I'm not the only one who feels that way; there is no one who can credibly believe Obama was not aware of Daschle's interesting post-Senate life.

    This one's on Obama.


    I don't think (none / 0) (#65)
    by lentinel on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 06:13:22 PM EST
    that Obama was ready to be President.

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    Naive (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by mmc9431 on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 11:20:45 AM EST
    Obama has never demonstrated a passion for anything other than to be president. Throughout his campaign, there never was a fire in him to point to as a signature issue. He was against the war but only until his vote mattered. He was for healthcare but not real healthcare. He supported gays but not too much to gays. He was for civil rights until FISA. So why would anybody be surprised that they aren't seeing a man of principle now. He is the same man he was before, first foremost and always a politician.

    I'd like to give you a 10 (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by hairspray on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 12:41:13 PM EST
    for this.  These were the things that always bothered me about him.  He was so pure, and the young and ultra liberals were ecstatic over that. Last night I was at an event and the woman who sat next to me said "breathlessly" I am an Obama supporter.  When I said what's that got to do with this meeting (on sex trafficking of young girls) she admitted to just being "so excited."  

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    What a creepy vignette! (none / 0) (#58)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 02:06:57 PM EST
    My point exactly. (none / 0) (#66)
    by hairspray on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 07:16:20 PM EST
    I don't really even think he's a (5.00 / 0) (#55)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 01:27:54 PM EST
    "politician". I think he is a dream chaser.  He never wanted to be President. He wanted to be an ex-President who could demand millions just for the privilege of hearing him speak, or write a book. His first two books, though, are as fictional as "A Million Little Pieces".

    The democrats who simply could not get behind Obama saw through him, and very clearly.

    I may get used to the dressing down of respect for the Oval Office with suit coats no longer required, might even get used to having a nearly 50 year old, greying man who bops to JayZ, but he lies like the rest of them and thinks he's somehow more entitled to do so.


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    "Change we can believe in ... (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by lambert on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 12:21:12 PM EST
    IS the same thing as business as usual" if the only thing you're about is marketing slogans. Just saying.


    Obama appointed Richardson (5.00 / 0) (#54)
    by hairspray on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 12:51:59 PM EST
    and he turned out to be ethically challenged. Then he appointed Geithner, another challenged candidate and now Daschle. All I can say is that Geithner is probably the only one who will stay because the financial stakes are too high.  But healthcare was a donnybrook.  All of these actors circling around to take it on.  You must ask why?

    Funniest part is that (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 01:33:51 PM EST
    it was the Clintons who were constantly accused of lacking ethics on every level.


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    What FDR types (none / 0) (#3)
    by lilburro on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:10:47 AM EST
    does he have on his team though?  Emanuel? No. Plouffe? No. Sargent wrote a good post yesterday.  This quote from Plouffe in his post I just love:  "It's almost as if the election didn't happen and that the message wasn't received: that people in Washington need to cooperate a lot more than they have in the past."

    The message wasn't cooperation!  The tone of the first half is right.  But the election wasn't about people in Washington cooperating with each other.  It was about people elsewhere wanting real economic and FP changes.

    He needs only one (none / 0) (#18)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:37:58 AM EST
    Himself.

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    He also may need (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Cream City on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 10:23:42 AM EST
    an Eleanor and other internal, unofficial critics.  Michelle Obama appears to have the grit to give Obama grief -- but does she have the commitment to causes to do so?  A lifetime of work with reformers for those causes, as Eleanor did?  And thus, of course, the incredible connections to a network of reformers that Eleanor had for FDR's kitchen cabinet of critics and crucial Cabinet members.

    I do not take away any credit from FDR when I say that it took a village of internal critics to keep him focused, with all the distractions of office -- as well as the world's problems on his plate, too -- and with his ego, which meant he needed to be brought back down to ground at times.

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    You presume a friendly, wizardly giant ... (5.00 / 0) (#61)
    by RonK Seattle on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 04:51:30 PM EST
    ... behind the curtain?

    What if Obama the slick talker is all the Obama we get?

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    But "Change" IS. . . (none / 0) (#4)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:16:29 AM EST
    business as usual when it comes to political campaigning.  Everyone wants it, every claims to have it, including guys who've been around for a million years.  Didn't Romney endorse McCain saying "he's been changing Washington for thirty-five years?"

    BTD is right in assigning blame (if there's blame to be had) to the folks who credulously pushed the "change" idea as if it were something, like, new.  Frankly, I also think the media got a little wrapped up in that same idea, it wasn't just the fans.  Now they're skeptical, but I think they might have fallen down on the job just a teeny bit during the campaign.

    Obama has brought some real change, at least so far, and that's his determination to accommodate the opposition.  BTD suggests he's now free to give up on that (since the Republicans voted en masse against stimulus) but I doubt that's going to happen in the short run.  I don't believe Obama ever believed that the Republicans would come around overnight.  I think his strategy is compounded of equal parts actually believing the post-partisan unity shtick and a longer outlook than just the first few weeks of his Administration.

    If that's so, one of two things will happen.  Either the unity shtick will start to produce results -- not necessarily the Republicans voting for hard-core Democratic priorities, but compromise legislation that gets bipartisan support (yes, not necessarily the results folks here want, but possibly the ones Obama wants).  And if they don't, after a few months you'll see phrases like "disappointed in the Republicans", "saddened", "rebuffed", "intransigent" and so on creep into the White House language, attempting to paint the Republicans as obstructionist.  When would this happen?  Before an important vote or, more likely, in the six months prior to the next election.

    If you're right (none / 0) (#9)
    by andgarden on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:21:52 AM EST
    what's needed is far more pressure from the left on Obama. But as always, he seems to have too many cheerleaders to actually hear it.

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    I think many. . . (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:28:04 AM EST
    (not all) of the Obama fan universe are actually very easily disappointed.  They projected on to him their own sense of political purity and when it turns out they've gotten what Obama said they'd get (a Chicago politician) rather than what they imagined they'd get (Dennis Kucinich), they'll turn into a bitter opposition.

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    Precious little evidence of that (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:37:32 AM EST
    right now we get a lot of analysis of 11 dimensional chess.

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    heh (none / 0) (#20)
    by andgarden on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:40:27 AM EST
    I like that phrase.

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    Calvinball would be a better (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:41:24 AM EST
    game to play with Republicans.

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    Annecdotally. . . (none / 0) (#24)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:48:57 AM EST
    I've seen a couple of diarists at dKos, claiming to be true-blue "Obama can do no wrong" campaign supporters expressing doubts.

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    Well, a couple (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:50:45 AM EST
    That certainly presages an avalanche.

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    Before it's too late? (none / 0) (#32)
    by andgarden on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 10:04:19 AM EST
    I expect more time will be wasted ranting at the strawmen Sirota puts up.

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    i won't write a diary on there (none / 0) (#51)
    by ThatOneVoter on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 12:25:52 PM EST
    again, unless it's an "I told you so".
    I hope I don't get the opportunity.

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    I like the comparison! (none / 0) (#29)
    by Fabian on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:57:16 AM EST
    Kucinich wasn't a viable presidential candidate precisely because he is radical.

    Obama tried very hard to use the vague rhetoric specifically because he didn't want to be painted as some kind of dangerous radical.  

    Now it appears people really did want a radical - real change, especially in Washington, D.C. is a radical concept.  It must be - why else are the Villagers sounding so shrill?

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    Interesting comment (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by NJDem on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 10:33:59 AM EST
    To add, I think the change people really wanted to see was competency, accountability and gov't actually doing something.  

    I believe FDR was a great leader during terrible times because he was a doer.  And yes, if it didn't work, he tried something else--but at least it showed he cared enough and knew it was important enough to try.  That's why I think the people had such faith in him.  

    Just my 2 cents...

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    He re-created the train ride (5.00 / 0) (#56)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 01:31:47 PM EST
    and put his hand on the same bible as Lincoln to be sworn in. He has compared himself to so many former Presidents, it's hard to keep count. Change could have started with, you know, change.

    He's all show, with the spending habits of Imelda Marcos.


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    FDR also sent a positive message (none / 0) (#68)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 10:31:12 PM EST
    FDR told America that things would get better, that there was hope for our future.  All I've heard from Obama is that things are going to be bad for a long, long, time.  That sure won't help the economy if people are scared to death to buy anything because it's going to be bad for so long.  

    Forgive me, but is all of this negative talk negative talk a preparation for his next run?  If things don't turn around, if he can't accomplish anything, will he remind us that he said it would be bad for a long time?  

    I just don't see how his negative messages are helpful.  I was hoping for something more upbeat, something we could feel good about.  I'm just not feeling that.  

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    I do not disagree with your comment (none / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:36:52 AM EST
    I don't buy the distinction (none / 0) (#5)
    by david mizner on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:18:17 AM EST
    Reform is related to policy. Having a compromised, corrupt K-street whore insider like Daschle run health care reform will, of course, effect policy. Having a Goldman-Sachs lobbyist as Treasury's chief of staff will, of course, effect policy. And so on.

    I agree that "lobbyist bans" and such are somewhat arbitrary, and that there's probably no self-imposed rule or set of rules that could effectively cleanse his administration of corporate-sponsored corruption, but pushing aside special interests--as he repeatedly promised to do during his campaign--is an prerequisite for decent policy. Perhaps it's people's fault for believing him, but why let him off the hook?

    If the President has a spine and an agenda (5.00 / 0) (#8)
    by andgarden on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:20:40 AM EST
    those K Street types can be mitigated. IF. . . .

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    Mitigated? (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by david mizner on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 10:58:38 AM EST
    What if they work for you?

    Why would Obama want to hire a health care czar whom he has to "mitigate"?

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    That's right (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:36:25 AM EST
    And even if there were no lobbyists, nothing would get done without bold leadership.

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    You say that. . . (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:26:09 AM EST
    Having a compromised, corrupt K-street whore insider

    as if it's a bad thing!

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    Because I diusagree with your assessment (none / 0) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:35:42 AM EST
    Stimulus bill (none / 0) (#12)
    by NealB on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 09:28:13 AM EST
    The stimulus bill will pass within the next month or so. It will have an impact on the economy. The only question that will matter after than is how much. If it's enough, everyone will be less disappointed. If it's not, Obama will be on his way to toast. He said so himself in an interview I saw yesterday.

    The buck stops at the top (none / 0) (#36)
    by vicndabx on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 10:24:56 AM EST
    I too was one of the reluctant who ultimately pulled the lever for the dem candidate even though he wasn't my first choice.  I believe now as I did then, we need accountability from our elected officials.  If he can be asked to forgo the PPUS and be an FDR-type president, then that means that he can also be asked to ensure there is no "business as usual" disappointment.

    Daschle just withdrew his name for HHS (none / 0) (#48)
    by Pianobuff on Tue Feb 03, 2009 at 11:55:07 AM EST