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House to Vote on Health Care Bill Saturday

The House of Representatives will vote on the health care reform bill Saturday. The Republicans are offering their own bill, which is woefully inadequate:

The [Republican] measure would cover 3 million additional people at a cost of $60 billion through 2019, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. The Democrats' bill, by comparison, would cover far more -- 36 million additional Americans -- at a much higher cost -- $1.055 trillion through 2019, the CBO has said.

It would also result in more than 52 million uninusred Americans ten years from now. The Democrats' House bill would cover 96% of Americans in ten years. The AARP will announce its support for the House bill Thursday.

Revisions to the bill to rein in health insurance premium hikes have been introduced: [More...]

In a move aimed at health insurance companies, the revised House bill would launch a federal-state crackdown on what it terms “unjustified premium increases.’’ The federal Health and Human Services department would monitor patterns of premium increases, and could take action if the price hikes are out of line. The bill would also provide $1 billion to state insurance commissioners, allowing them to ramp up their own monitoring and enforcement.

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    "are there (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by cpinva on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 11:09:12 PM EST
    no workhouses?"

    "if they're going to die, then let them be done with it, and reduce the surplus population."

    where's dickens, when you really need him?

    This is such crap (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by nycstray on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 11:32:14 PM EST
    The federal Health and Human Services department would monitor patterns of premium increases, and could take action if the price hikes are out of line. The bill would also provide $1 billion to state insurance commissioners, allowing them to ramp up their own monitoring and enforcement.

    This sounds like another trigger. I have zero faith in HHS to do anything about premium hikes. Without a full and robust PO open to everyone, we're scr*wed from what I can see.

    And until the/any bill covers all of a woman's basic health care needs, it's not worth the 3k pages in wasted trees, imo.

    Yes, it is absolute cr@p (none / 0) (#6)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 07:30:41 AM EST
    If this is all we can expect from the people who represent our interests, we need to head for the root of the problem and tell them to "forget it, we'll elect representation with a focus on working for the good of the people in this country next year."

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    I'll take it to start with (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by FreakyBeaky on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 12:22:44 AM EST
    It's not going to get better than this during this congress, and if a minimally acceptable reform does not get through, you can forget it for another 10 or 20 years.  I'm actually a bit surprised the House proposal is as good as it is.

    If Lieberman gets his way in the Senate, I must with deep regrets say forget it.  Unless there's a better-than-decent chance the public option gets put back in in conference.  

    Once again, this morning's listen (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Anne on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 09:01:08 AM EST
    to C-SPAN's Washington Journal revealed that even those who are hooked into politics and government such that they are C-SPAN junkies do not know nearly enough about any of the proposed legislation.  There's the contingent that is convinced the government is taking over health care - heck, a senior partner and noted tax attorney in my firm was railing about that just yesterday! - and some of these are so far out there as to be convinced this is the beginning of the New Socialism (Saturday is, you'll be interested to know, the anniversary of the Bolshevik overthrow of the Russian Provisional Government...coincidence? /rolling eyes).  On the other side, we have the unemployed, the uninsured and the folks looking to catch a break, who can't wait for the legislation to pass because they need that public option NOW.  And no one ever tells them the truth.

    The Washington Post likes to throw a lot of numbers around, but the ones I found particularly interesting were these, contained in a letter (pdf) from the CBO to the House Ways and Means Committee:

    This letter responds to questions about the subsidies that enrollees would receive for premiums and cost sharing and the amounts that they would have to pay, on average, if they purchased a relatively low cost plan in the new insurance exchanges to be established under H.R. 3962,

    And

    The enclosed table focuses on enrollees who purchase a "reference" plan (the premiums for which equal the average of the three lowest-cost "basic" plans, as defined in the bill), because federal subsidies would be tied to that average. Such a plan would have an actuarial value of 70 percent, which represents the average share of costs for covered benefits that would be paid by the plan. Although premiums under H.R. 3962 would vary by geographic area to reflect differences in average spending for health care and would also vary by age, the table shows the approximate national average for that lower-cost reference plan--about $5,300 for single policies and about $15,000 for family policies in 2016.

    Please look at the table, and see if you can interpret it in a way where you think people will be saving money buying insurance through these exchanges - and remember - these are the projected numbers for the average of the three lowest cost, basic plans.  Ask yourself how underinsured one might be with an even lower cost plan, and how much more expensive the better plans will be.  And then ponder how this represents "major health care reform."  And when you look at the projected percentage of income that cost-sharing is expected to be for enrollees who are eligible to purchase insurance through the exchange, are you thinking it looks like a bargain?

    I'm not seeing it, but maybe someone else sees something I don't.

    And the so-called public option - if you are a woman who would qualify, are you still interested if the plan does not cover reproductive health, other than mammograms and pap smears?  And what about abortion?  Where are they going with that one?

    It's shocking to me how badly this whole issue has been handled, from the top down, and the more I know about what's in these bills, the less I believe there is more benefit to passing them than there is risk that they make things worse.


    It's the Democrats' funeral (none / 0) (#4)
    by cawaltz on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 05:18:52 AM EST
    I've said my bit about this not being enough. When people start to realize that the House Democrats version of health care looks an awful lot like the health care system we already have they shouldn't be surprised when they are voted out.

    Michele Bachman has (none / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 07:27:46 AM EST
    called for teabaggers to begin to roam the halls today.

    Oh, lots of them have (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 07:33:18 AM EST
    It was on the local news here today - those against health care reform (cough) are supposed to be coming in by the busload to roam the halls of Congress.

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    Will they be bringing their guns? (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 08:20:27 AM EST
    Is it legal? (none / 0) (#20)
    by Wile ECoyote on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 10:47:45 AM EST
    Probably not yet :) (none / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 11:04:43 AM EST
    Now, if only we had some true investigative (none / 0) (#8)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 07:38:23 AM EST
    reporters...maybe we could then find out why any person would be so against quality healthcare for everyone.


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    Now that's just crazy talk! (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 08:05:59 AM EST
    Investigative journalism?  What's that?

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    This bill isn't quality health care for everyone (none / 0) (#22)
    by cawaltz on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 01:16:43 PM EST
    Heck I'm not even sure it is going to lead to quality health care for anyone.

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    I know a lot of these people are (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Anne on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 09:28:22 AM EST
    just whack, but do we have to call them "teabaggers?"  I pretty much hate it when the other side decides to use pejoratives to identify left-leaning groups, so I feel like our doing it not only reduces us to their level, it takes the attention off the issues and makes it totally personal.  

    I believe the original term was "tea partiers," in reference to the Boston Tea Party protests of old.

    Whether they are out-to-lunch on this issue or not, they have as much right to protest as anyone else.

    Just my two cents.  :)

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    Cool... (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 08:37:06 AM EST
    might be for the wrong reasons, but I take some perverse pleasure in the halls of congress being overrun by teabaggers.  Congress has it comin'...I hope the baggers are able to occupy the building leading to a big stand-off with John Law...now thats entertainment!

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    Yer so vengeful (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 09:00:54 AM EST
    But I did like that one time when the anarchists broke through the D.C. barricades during the Bush Administration.  So, I'm not much better I suppose :)

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    Anything.... (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 09:05:35 AM EST
    that pops the little bubbles they live in works....I'd be much more sympathetic to anarchists than 'baggers myself...but as long as someone is agitating.

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    I think the teabaggers are creepy though (none / 0) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 09:21:10 AM EST
    packing guns and stuff.  I've never taken a gun to a protest.  Why would someone do that?

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    Jeralyn (none / 0) (#10)
    by DFLer on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 08:08:41 AM EST
    Why do you have this dairy in the Kobe Bryant Case section?

    More coffee, please!

    You must take (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 09:23:54 AM EST
    cream in your coffee.

    Why do you have this dairy in the


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    Oh sheet...I am SO busted! (none / 0) (#19)
    by DFLer on Thu Nov 05, 2009 at 10:11:20 AM EST