Anti-Choice Democrats Plan Events in Denver

By Jeralyn, Section Democratic National Convention 2008
Posted on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:19:26 PM EST
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It's not just the Republicans and radical right who will bring their anti-choice message to Denver. It's Democrats too. Democrats for Life have three events are scheduled, including a Hall of Fame Dinner at the Hotel Monaco, 17th & Champa Sts.

This year's award recipient is Congressman Lincoln Davis (D-TN). Congressman Davis has been a consistently strong pro-life leader in Congress and he introduced the Pregnant Women Support Act in 2006. In addition, DFLA will organize a Town Hall rally to promote the Pregnant Women Support act in conjunction with the Hall of Fame event.

The Group has a plan:

The 95-10 Initiative is a comprehensive package of federal legislation and policy proposals that will reduce the number of abortions by 95% in the next 10 years.

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Are these on the "official"... (5.00 / 2) (#1)
by Shainzona on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:26:26 PM EST

calendar of events for the Convention...please tell me they are not sanctioned by Barack Obama and/or the DNC....please!!!

: I found it on Metrohikers (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by Jeralyn on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:29:10 PM EST

which is the most complete list of events anywhere. No, I don't think it is sanctioned by Obama or the Dems. Anyone can (and everyone is) holding events.
BTW, Monday is free admission day at the Denver Art Museum.

I hope this isnt a prelude to a VP Casey (5.00 / 2) (#2)
by ran scot on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:27:41 PM EST

Then the Obama ticket will find itself to the right of a McCain/Pawlenty ticket, which will historically hilarious, is nothing but epic fail.

It'd probably be VP Kaine (5.00 / 4) (#11)
by cawaltz on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:54:54 PM EST

the game is tied here. McCain has a slight edge according to the polling outfits but ALOT of the Obama crowd thinks they can pull off a repeat of 2005 and 2006 where the Dem won.

If it is, I've reached my invisible threshold. I'll be working against the party. The irony here is I AM a Virginian. I don't hate Kaine. I just hate where I see this party going. I don't want to be proselytized to for the next 4 years while they sell my children's rights down the river and attempt to superglue the infrastructure together by parceling it and the responsibility of it off to corporate America. I won't be part of it and I'll do my darnedest to stop it from happening. Civil liberties are my last straw. They need to give me SOMETHING.


Obama told (none / 0) (#29)
by MKS on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 05:26:19 PM EST

a very conservative, very Evangelical, very Republican audience at Saddleback Church in southern Orange County that he was Pro-Choice and that any late term abortion ban would have to have an exception for the health of the mother....

He said he did not like Thomas or Scalia as Judges and that Roberts's voting history validated Obama's vote against him.

: don't listen to what a politican says to (none / 0) (#35)
by hellothere on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:11:37 AM EST

target audiences, watch what they do.

Well, what to say? (5.00 / 2) (#3)
by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:28:58 PM EST

Everyone gets to say what they think and believe and being pregnant in our current culture is no picnic yet where is the "parent" legislation that is needed so that you can be able to not have to choose between your job and your sick child? Focusing so strongly on only the pregnant woman reeks of just getting that baby born and then our "job" is over. Are these people supporting gay families and gay parents adopting these children that must be born too?

My tent wasn't big enough for this type of (5.00 / 6) (#5)
by FLVoter on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:32:01 PM EST

Democrat, that's one of the reasons why I am an Independent. I hope for the Democrats sake that this isn't a sign of things to come for the party.

I can't share a tent with someone (5.00 / 10) (#6)
by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:36:17 PM EST

bent and intent on removing my rights.


Well, if they are going to hand out (5.00 / 7) (#7)
by inclusiveheart on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:47:54 PM EST

free contraception to teen-agers and impoverished folks; put real sex education back into the schools; make condoms available at every street corner for free; get universal healthcare enacted; fund programs that provide real options for abused kids and runaways; and stuff like that, I'd have no problem with their goal of reducing abortion through those means.

Thing is I suspect that all of those things would probably be "off the table" for this crowd - I could be wrong though.


: Here is the mission statement for this group: (none / 0) (#10)
by FLVoter on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:52:36 PM EST

Our Mission
Democrats for Life of America exists to foster respect for life, from the beginning of life to natural death. This includes, but is not limited to, opposition to abortion, capital punishment, and euthanasia. Democrats for Life of America is one of over 200 member organizations of Consistent Life: an international network for peace, justice and life.

: i always thought it was sad and (none / 0) (#37)
by hellothere on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:15:27 AM EST

pathetic that these religeous right folks were all upset about the fetus but after the child was born, they can't be bothered.

While it is your right, (5.00 / 7) (#13)
by ran scot on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:01:11 PM EST

being a male (and not pervey to this right obviously), for me it is more a morality issue and I refuse to send my sisters, cousins, aunts and so forth back to the back alleys of old. There are two sides to morality coin when it comes to abortions, always lost on Democrats.

How politicians can pretend that won't happen when they cut off medically supplied abortions flies in the face of all recorded history.

Abortions have always happened, humanity had just evolved to a point where we made it safe for women. Now they want to crawl back to barbarianism to score some cheap political points for a population segment that never votes Democratic anyway.

It's almost as if Shrum is in charge again, these decisions are so bad.


: Even (5.00 / 2) (#16)
by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:04:13 PM EST

Shrum wasn't this bad.

: Thank God I didn't have to live through (5.00 / 3) (#18)
by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:06:09 PM EST

any of that, only my mother and aunts and grandmothers. Unfortunately because I did not live through any of that I tend to forget the story of womankind's rise from the ashes of hell. Thank you for reminding me, my mother has passed but she probably thanks you too.

it already is. these "democrats" are (none / 0) (#36)
by hellothere on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:13:04 AM EST

bush chasing off the core and chasing after religeous right, the young, and aa's. isn't that special? i can't see the group holding together long.


So if we can have anti-choice dems (5.00 / 9) (#8)
by PssttCmere08 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:49:49 PM EST

putting on their events, then noone should be begrudging pumas theirs imo.

Pro-choice myself.... (5.00 / 0) (#12)
by kdog on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 01:58:13 PM EST

but I firmly believe in these folks' right to assemble for a redress of grievances just like those who I agree with.

More power to 'em and everybody else hitting the street regardless of their cause.

I'll pass (5.00 / 6) (#15)
by pmj6 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:03:15 PM EST

To the extent I prefer McCain to Obama, it is precisely because Obama has dog-whistled his willingness to trade away what should be non-negotiable Democratic Party platform planks.

Besides, if McCain wins I think we can count on a Democratic congress to block the more lunatic of his nominees. But if Obama nominates an anti-choice justice to the Supreme Court (and who says he won't?), would the Democrats stand in his way? I doubt it. Only Nixon could go to China, and only a Democrat can kill abortion rights.

By the way, I'm still officially a Clinton Democrat. Just because I won't vote for Obama doesn't mean I'll vote for McCain.

: I agree, after looking into Obama and abortion (5.00 / 3) (#22)
by FLVoter on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:18:42 PM EST

rights, I don't get any warm and fuzzy feelings that he is passionate about choice. I totally agree that he would be willing to trade them away if needed. So as far as the SCOTUS position, I do not see voting for Obama as a sure fire way to ensure pro-choice judges.

: just because we disagree with (none / 0) (#40)
by hellothere on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:19:37 AM EST

the selection process, no one has to the right to define us as not democrats. we and only we do that.

They did a pretty good job (5.00 / 1) (#17)
by cawaltz on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:05:48 PM EST

with partial birth. The problem is NOT that they don't have the votes. They can and do. THAT is the problem.

They are also against (5.00 / 0) (#19)
by Wile ECoyote on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:08:34 PM EST

Capital Punishment.

Democrats for Life of America exists to foster respect for life, from the beginning of life to natural death. This includes, but is not limited to, opposition to abortion, capital punishment, and euthanasia. Democrats for Life of America is one of over 200 member organizations of Consistent Life: an international network for peace, justice and life.

From their website.

I can appreciate their consistency (5.00 / 2) (#20)
by cawaltz on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:13:54 PM EST

and still disagree with them.


: Speaking for me.... (5.00 / 1) (#23)
by kdog on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:24:38 PM EST

I don't even disagree with them...who doesn't have moral qualms about abortion?
The reason I'm pro-choice is because the prohibition of abortion solves nothing. Prohibition doesn't make abortion disappear, it just makes it more dangerous, stressful, and heartbreaking for all those involved. But I'm all for less abortions...who isn't?

the thing and look into it. they don't (none / 0) (#41)
by hellothere on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:22:45 AM EST

want to respect our opinions and feelings. we don't have any according to them. watch what the far right did to the republican party. they took it over and moderate no longer existed. take a good long look at these folks. there is no dissent with them.


No, Dems are supposed to support (5.00 / 4) (#24)
by Cream City on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:27:21 PM EST

what defines a Dem, the party platform.

These are Independents, if they are not Republicans, since they support that plank of the Republican platform.

So at best, these are Independents trying to turn the Dem party away from its platform -- determined by the Dems.

When the party stopped living up to its platform because of bringing these people into the tent and even running some for office, I started wondering.

When the party stopped living by its own rules and charter, I knew. I am an Independent, too. But at least I'm not trying to fool you about it.

So (none / 0) (#25)
by Wile ECoyote on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 04:09:58 PM EST

all dems must accept all planks of the party platform? Where does one find all planks of the party platform? I wen to the Democrat party website and could not find the platform.


Well, sure -- but you don't need to do so (none / 0) (#28)
by Cream City on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 05:25:43 PM EST

to vote for whomever you want, of course. But would you proudly claim to belong to a club with which you disagreed? That's all parties are -- clubs. Not that it's a big deal if you don't support it, I suppose . . . unless you're running for office as a Dem, taking Dem donors' money, etc.

That's why I won't give money to the Dem Party anymore. It's going to elect pro-choice candidates and those who support other things that are in a party platform, but it's the Republican one.

The current Democratic platform, the one voted on by the club in 2004, came right up on google for me -- but sorry, I've got so many links open right now (for my work) that it's not copying and pasting here.

The 2008 platform, of course, is yet to be voted upon by the representatives aka delegates of the members of the club. But there was much coverage just in the last week of some of the proposal.


I would (none / 0) (#32)
by Wile ECoyote on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 07:04:17 PM EST

be shocked to find someone who agreed with all planks of any parties platform.


: don't you agree that it depends on (none / 0) (#39)
by hellothere on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:18:34 AM EST

the particular platform. there are some that are so destructive as to warrant real dissent.

well that seems to apply to all (none / 0) (#38)
by hellothere on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:17:04 AM EST

groups but the dissenting puma groups.


Cream....it could be called the party pratfall... (none / 0) (#27)
by PssttCmere08 on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 05:13:27 PM EST

so many mistakes...


Dems for Life. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 04:19:09 PM EST

Makes me think of Jews for Jesus.

Are you inclusive of, say, racist Dems (5.00 / 1) (#30)
by Cream City on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 05:27:48 PM EST

who want the diversity part of the platform pulled?

Just wondering where you draw the line. You must have a line that defines Dems and not-Dems.

Pro Choice IS both sides (4.33 / 6) (#21)
by Ellie on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 02:17:58 PM EST

The masking of this important distinction by Fertilized Egg Fetishists is for the sole purpose of continuing the decades-long, extra-judicial persecution of women and abusing government resources to do so.

If this is a sanctioned Dem group, then clearly the Dems don't care about Female People. I'm dismayed to see Obama actually courting these bigots.

Anyone who pretends that religious dogma gives them the right to impede anyone's access to full and inalienable constitutional protections should be challenged to show their standing to do so.

Any Dem supporting this egregious form of bigotry should be ashamed of himself or herself.

Any elected official that still can't call a woman a person -- for the political expediency of scraping and bowing to decades of political bullying by religious groups -- has fallen down on the FIRST duty of office to uphold and defend the Constitution.

Even personally anti-abortion politicians should label themselves pro-choice, or opt out of holding political office as it is a de facto corruption of their oath of office.

I appreciate your use of the term (none / 0) (#31)
by ChiTownDenny on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 06:00:31 PM EST

"anti-choice". I've always found it bothersome that the MSM has used the Republican annointed term of "pro-life". If Republicans, and this president in particular, were "pro-life", they would reconsider the death penalty. "Anti-choice" is the correct term to describe oppostition to abortion.

: Yes, that's a conscious effort (5.00 / 1) (#33)
by Jeralyn on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 07:17:15 PM EST

on my part, after I received an email some months back.
The correct terminology is important. It's anti-choice, not pro-life.
Just like it's the radical right not the religious right.
Just like people are undocumented residents, not illegal aliens. (No human is illegal.)

18 anti-choice men (none / 0) (#34)
by oldpro on Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 10:58:00 PM EST

and one anti-choice woman listed on their website as Dems running for congress.

Eighteen to one.

Of course, many of the anti-choice women have their hands too full to run for office, what with their jobs and running the house and taking care of the kids and picking up after Dad and teaching Sunday School and all...