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Hillary Clinton's Message On Endorsement of Obama

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Other Politics
Posted on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:59:36 AM EST
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I wanted you to be one of the first to know: on Saturday, I will hold an event in Washington D.C. to thank everyone who has supported my campaign. Over the course of the last 16 months, I have been privileged and touched to witness the incredible dedication and sacrifice of so many people working for our campaign. Every minute you put into helping us win, every dollar you gave to keep up the fight meant more to me than I can ever possibly tell you.

On Saturday, I will extend my congratulations to Senator Obama and my support for his candidacy. This has been a long and hard-fought campaign, but as I have always said, my differences with Senator Obama are small compared to the differences we have with Senator McCain and the Republicans.

MORE . . .

I have said throughout the campaign that I would strongly support Senator Obama if he were the Democratic Party's nominee, and I intend to deliver on that promise.

When I decided to run for president, I knew exactly why I was getting into this race: to work hard every day for the millions of Americans who need a voice in the White House.

I made you -- and everyone who supported me -- a promise: to stand up for our shared values and to never back down. I'm going to keep that promise today, tomorrow, and for the rest of my life.

I will be speaking on Saturday about how together we can rally the party behind Senator Obama. The stakes are too high and the task before us too important to do otherwise.

I know as I continue my lifelong work for a stronger America and a better world, I will turn to you for the support, the strength, and the commitment that you have shown me in the past 16 months. And I will always keep faith with the issues and causes that are important to you.

In the past few days, you have shown that support once again with hundreds of thousands of messages to the campaign, and again, I am touched by your thoughtfulness and kindness.

I can never possibly express my gratitude, so let me say simply, thank you.

Sincerely

Hillary

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    Respectful and honorable remarks, (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Elporton on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:04:28 AM EST
    nothing less than has been demonstrated in her campaign for the nomination.

    However, it will still be a sad day for the almost 18 million voters that were with her until the end.

    Millions are still with her, present tense (5.00 / 6) (#200)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:37:00 AM EST
    and may still be with her, future tense, in the fall.  And that is what the party has to worry about . . . but I get the sense that it is so run by Obamans now that they won't get that, as they keep saying that we'll just fall into line.

    I sincerely doubt it.  Sure, many and maybe even most of the 18 million may do so.  But if the race comes down to even a couple of million votes -- or even a couple thousand in crucial states -- then the party will remain in the past tense.

    Frankly, the Dem party as I knew is past tense.  So I don't care if it dies from its corruption now.  It deserves to do so and could be best for the country, replacing it with a new party that might bring back those millions of voters who are, present tense, disgusted with the "new" Dems.  There's nothing new about them to those of us who know Chicago politics.

    [ Parent ]

    I wonder if that will be good enough for (5.00 / 8) (#3)
    by Joelarama on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:05:18 AM EST
    Jeffrey Toobin.

    That's what I was thinking (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:06:30 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Let's just say (5.00 / 4) (#48)
    by madamab on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:30:04 AM EST
    that Bob Somerby has job security that everyone in America can envy.

    [ Parent ]
    Godspeed, Senator Clinton (5.00 / 10) (#7)
    by Radiowalla on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:06:35 AM EST
    You ran the race of your life, stayed on track, and refused to cede the way in spite of so many raucous calls for you to step aside.

    I'm proud to have supported you.

    Well said (5.00 / 6) (#8)
    by sleepingdogs on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:07:17 AM EST
    and convincing.  Still sad, though.  

    Unless something really miraculous happens, the best I will be able to do in terms of "supporting" Obama is to NOT vote for McCain.  Before you O supporters all 'pile on,' I'm in a thoroughly blue state.  So hush yourselves.......  

    I hope all the people who are saying this (5.00 / 6) (#13)
    by Joelarama on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:11:24 AM EST
    are (a) in safe states and (b) will channel their work and money for a good progressive Senate or House candidate.

    [ Parent ]
    Not part a) (5.00 / 11) (#32)
    by Fabian on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:22:12 AM EST
    I'm in the swingiest of swing states - Ohio.

    (This time around we won't be able to blame Blackwell for anything since we canned his GOP butt.)

    Those SDs may want to think long and deeply about how the swing voters in the swing states will vote come November and why.  In fact, they may want to fund a few polls and focus groups to get some actual data to work with.  Might want to talk to those older white women and those working class folks.

    I'm only responsible for my vote.  They are responsible for selecting the candidate that I may or may not vote for.

    [ Parent ]

    Keep Hoping (5.00 / 13) (#92)
    by angie on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:47:54 AM EST
    I'm in an alleged "swing state" -- NC -- I've changed my registration to Unaffiliated -- nothing personal against Obama, per se, but I can no longer associate myself with the Democratic Party after witnessing what they did in FL & MI & the debacle where they not only gave delegates to Obama when he wasn't on the ballot, but actually took 4 away from Hillary. Furthermore, the Democrats not only did not stand up to but took part in the disgusting sexism spewed against Hillary. I'm a woman first, an American second, then party affiliation comes into play. No self respecting woman should work or wish for the success of a party that ignores her self.  

    [ Parent ]
    the party... (5.00 / 15) (#93)
    by p lukasiak on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:48:06 AM EST
    the party doesn't want good progressive candidates for the House and Senate -- they want sheeple that will follow the lead of the less-than-progressive party leadership.

    the reason I'm leaving the party is because of its corruption.  No super-delegate who was fulfilling his/her duty to the party and the country would have signed on with Obama after Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, etc. etc.  

    Obama had a two-week winning streak followed by three months of extremely serious losses in key swing states -- and devastatingly bad margins in places like Kentucky and Puerto Rico.  Yet, throughout this series of losses, SDs continued to flock to Obama -- this tells me that the corruption of the party leadership is so endemic that trying to "fix" it from within is pointless.  Sometimes a building is so structurally damaged that it must be torn down and rebuilt -- and the Democratic Party has shown that it needs a wrecking ball, and that the efforts of good people to fix the party will only be used to further empower the corruption of the party itself.

    [ Parent ]

    I've always enjoyed your Posts (5.00 / 7) (#168)
    by ccpup on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:19:43 AM EST
    and absolutely agree with you.  My family -- all long-time Democrats going more than a few generations back -- will be sitting this one out or, at the very least, not be voting for the Top of the Ticket.

    The DNC has made it nearly impossible to explain to younger members of my family why they should work to become "the best" when corruption can easily swipe it away from you and give the "win" to someone who didn't get as many votes and used the twins of racism and sexism in his campaign.  They now figure "why bother?"

    At one point in her life, Oprah was fond of saying that "excellence is the best deterrence to racism and sexism".  I wonder how she -- looking at how her guy continued his long history of gaming the system (Alice Palmer anyone?), lost more Democrats than he won, alienated  huge swaths of Democrat demographics with his arrogance and had this win given to him by the Powers That (Wanna)Be -- feels about that quote now?

    The Democratic Party is on the verge of extinction and they're too blinded by Obama's smile to realize it.  Perhaps they will when he ends up winning only a few States in the General and we watch yet ANOTHER Republican President inaugurated.

    But I doubt it.

    [ Parent ]

    I think that "families" is where (5.00 / 7) (#190)
    by p lukasiak on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:31:45 AM EST
    a lot of damage will be felt.  I know that I personally convinced members of my own family to vote for Democratic candidates in years past -- to get them over their "I just don't like Kerry" nonsense and vote based on rational considerations.

    And all of them are sick to death of Bush (even my Rush-loving brother in law) and COULD be convinced to vote for Clinton over McCain (except, probably said brother-in-law).... but I can't in good faith make an argument that Obama is the better choice.  I just can't.

    And I suspect that the same dynamic is going to be found in a lot of families -- the people who have always argued for the Democrat are going to be silent because they can't support Obama... and McCain is going to win because of that.

    [ Parent ]

    "Lower than that (5.00 / 3) (#206)
    by Mary Mary on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:40:49 AM EST
    ye shall not drag me!" :-)

    Yeah, I have no problem voting for Obama but will not be verbally supporting him in any way. I just can't.

    The best I can do is say he'd be better than McCain.

    [ Parent ]

    Red state here (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Molly Pitcher on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:59:54 AM EST
    and no down ticket possibilities, unless I resurrect Fritz.  Put my voter reg. card away yesterday.

    [ Parent ]
    Nope, I'm in the closest state in 2004 (5.00 / 5) (#208)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:41:53 AM EST
    and I'm only voting downticket, for the first time in my long life.  No way the pastor disasters will allow Obama to win my Wisconsin, anyway.

    Btw, I'm only voting Dem downticket this year because my governor and my Congressperson aren't up for another two years.  When they are, if they even run again, they will not get my vote or my donations this time.  But then, when Obama loses, maybe the party will figure out not to run his supporters again, as they'll all be tarnished by him by then.  They already are with me for their behaviors toward Clinton -- and her supporters, whom they have taken for granted for too long in this state that has a higher turnout of women voters than almost any.

    [ Parent ]

    I'll look at individual candidates, Reps and Dems (4.50 / 8) (#34)
    by MMW on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:23:01 AM EST
    I can't promise support for any. I may just sit it all out (huge possibility). I meant it when I said, my values are not represented. I'll look at 3rd party candidates especially hard. I'm in a state that could go either way this year. But the best he'll get is that I not support McCain too.

    The only way to get consequences and change the system is with support and votes.

    And I'll also be looking at McCain. Obama's the only one I won't consider.

    [ Parent ]

    We need a Dem President. Please!!! (5.00 / 2) (#170)
    by BeckyF on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:19:54 AM EST
    What I find so sad about your comment is that people like you would rather have 4-8 more years of Bush.   That is not what Hillary would want you to do and you know it.  It's not what she stands for and not what she has been fighting so hard for in her campaign.  All her hard work down the drain if you do what you say you will do esp. vote for McCain.  That is what would kill HC.  I lost a son in Iraq and the only way we are going to stop this war is to vote DEM.  The only way.  Please for all of us that have lost sons, daughters, husbands and wives stay behind HC and do what she says.  We need to get this war stopped that was so unnesessary.  I have 2 more sons over there and I can't, I just can't lose the rest of my kids.  We must get a DEM into office and that is what hillary wants.  Don't think of yourselves.  Think of our hero's and the family that loves them.  We just want them home.  Many of us have lost of children and a vote for McCain and we lose so many more.  Please don't do that to us.  Our hearts are so broken.  I know you loved Hillary but do what she wants to.  She wants a Democratic president more that anything in the world.  Then in 4-8 years Obama will do everything he can to get her elected.  We must get this war stopped and a Democrat is the only way to do it.  Please don't think of yourself think of our soldiers.  Think of me as a mother who lost my son.  PLEASE.

    [ Parent ]
    See (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by Emma on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:33:19 AM EST
    I really thought Bush wasn't running again.  My bad.

    [ Parent ]
    First, I almost didn't get past your - (4.00 / 4) (#199)
    by MMW on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:36:18 AM EST
    "That is not what Hillary would want you to do and you know it."

    Hillary is not my God. Sheet, I ain't got one. She is the candidate I support for President. And she is the only one who could get the troops out of Iraq.

    Sorry for your loss but I'm not responsible.

    You should have written the super delegates who gave you Obama. His advisers have already stated that he most likely will not get the troops out of Iraq in the timetable he's given.

    The congress has had 6 years to get your children home and they have done nada, why don't you start a leter writing campaign to them.

    I never supported this war, so go blame someone else.

    [ Parent ]

    You know (5.00 / 3) (#203)
    by Steve M on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:39:24 AM EST
    It really wouldn't kill you to be a LITTLE more sensitive.

    [ Parent ]
    So ya think everyone in the world (5.00 / 8) (#15)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:12:53 AM EST
    Who compared her to Lieberman and said she was only in this for herself will apologize and admit they were wrong now???

    I'll consider fulfilling her wishes if they can.

    The Obama movement is the standard bearer for the party now regardless of the speeches.  

    "Obama Movement" (5.00 / 12) (#21)
    by Joelarama on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:17:09 AM EST
    We've had (have) the Civil Rights Movement, the Womens Liberation Movement, the Gay Rights Movement, the Anti-war Movement . . .

    Can anyone recall a political "movement" in our Democracy that centered around a single personality, rather than a set of common goals or ideals?  

    Is that what this is?  If it is, it makes me uncomfortable.

    [ Parent ]

    Louis Napoleon? (5.00 / 5) (#27)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:19:45 AM EST
    Nah, that's not quite fair. Obama will have to get a mandate from the American people over issues. He can't get elected on a personality cult.

    [ Parent ]
    it's been over a year (5.00 / 14) (#37)
    by Josey on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:25:03 AM EST
    and Obama still doesn't have a mandate from Democrats on the issues.
    He's gotten this far on 'personality cult' because of a media and press mesmerized by his rockstar appeal for the corporate dollar - not his ability to lead the nation.

    [ Parent ]
    I think the real issue is (5.00 / 4) (#181)
    by ccpup on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:27:43 AM EST
    that the Media wants a McCain Presidency and propping up Obama in order to vanquish the only Democrat who had a strong shot of winning was the only way to ensure that outcome.

    We will see what we've always seen in General Elections:  the Democrat gets hammered in the debates with gotcha questions, issues that ordinarily wouldn't matter will now dominate the news in order to put the Dem on defense and the Republican candidate will never have to answer for past inconsistencies or outright lies.

    And poor Obama thinks he has the Media in his pocket.  I almost feel sorry for the guy -- almost -- when they turn on him with a vengeance and he's left reeling, the whole World looking at the dirty laundry and asking themselves "this is who the Democrats want us to vote for?  No thanks".

    It'll be a blow-out in the GE and the Dems will have no one but themselves to blame.  And, for once, I won't be a part of it.  Let them win the White House without me ... and the millions of others who have been embarrassed and disgusted by the overt, public corruption and ignorance of the DNC and Superdelegates.

    [ Parent ]

    Yeah (5.00 / 8) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:37:34 AM EST
    but when are the issues forthcoming? He's wasted months on character trashing and not much more.

    [ Parent ]
    Well, we shall see (5.00 / 5) (#76)
    by madamab on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:42:03 AM EST
    if he can campaign on the issues against McCain.

    He was apparently unable to do so against Hillary for some reason - perhaps her Devil Powers stopped his mouth.

    I have no doubt that he will campaign the exact same way he always has, however. Michelle Obama said as much.

    [ Parent ]

    Yep (5.00 / 6) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:45:15 AM EST
    He's not going to campaign on issues. He's going to continue having rallies, not trying to reach out to voters (they're all racist you know) and register voters. He's general election campaign is going to be "I'm not John McCain" and that's about it.

    [ Parent ]
    well, at least (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by ccpup on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:29:50 AM EST
    we can count on his winning Illinois in the General, right?

    The rest of the Country?  Not so much.

    [ Parent ]

    No (5.00 / 8) (#28)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:20:42 AM EST
    It's not even a movement for Obama per se.

    It's a movement for Markos, Marshall and Arianna.

    I know some people consider these people friends, but I have no idea who they are and I only judge based on what I've seen in their blogs.

    It's their party now.  My side lost.

    [ Parent ]

    I think very few people know who (5.00 / 0) (#31)
    by Joelarama on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:22:05 AM EST
    Marcos, Marshall, and Arianna are.  

    [ Parent ]
    On the internet (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Fabian on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:25:34 AM EST
    no knows if you are a dog, a GOP troll, or a Pakistani astroturfer.  

    [ Parent ]
    Maybe (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:25:46 AM EST
    But some of us do.


    [ Parent ]
    Marcos, Marshall, etc (5.00 / 3) (#57)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:34:38 AM EST
    are a syptom.  not the disease.

    [ Parent ]
    whats the disease? (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:04:51 AM EST
    just wondering.

    [ Parent ]
    CDO (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:08:06 AM EST
    chronic civility disorder

    [ Parent ]
    oops (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:09:00 AM EST
    CCD

    [ Parent ]
    true (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:14:57 AM EST
    but to me there's more to it than them just being rude.

    [ Parent ]
    That won't stop them from taking credit. (5.00 / 6) (#84)
    by Burned on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:45:34 AM EST
    And I give them some, but not the good kind.
    They didn't do it by building Obama up, but by tearing down a proven democrat and proven survivor of the republican attack machine.
    And it's still happening.

    Digby on the other hand, is a beacon of truth as usual.

    [ Parent ]

    Ah, Digby. She never let us down. (5.00 / 7) (#141)
    by Joelarama on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:06:43 AM EST
    Jeralyn, BTD, Wolcott, Corrente, Shakesville . . . I can think of only of few off my old blogroll whom I still respect.

    It used to be "us against the stupid media" as much as against the Republicans in the blogosphere.  

    Now the media critique is shot to h*ll.  The boy blogz are in bed with the Olbermanns, the Braziles, the Chris Matthewses, the Finemans.  No credibility.

    [ Parent ]

    IMO That Is Exactly What It Is (5.00 / 8) (#33)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:22:47 AM EST
    It is the Obama "movement" and the Obama party. It makes me uncomfortable as all get out.

    [ Parent ]
    there is a lot to be (5.00 / 4) (#63)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:37:13 AM EST
    uncomfortable about.
    check out this quote from a UK paper:

    Test for the U.S
    By GEORGE PASCOE-WATSON
    Political Editor
    BARACK Obama's victory will put modern day America to the test.
    And the world will find out if the US has dealt with its explosive race problems.

    **

    there you have it.  its a "test".  are we all prepared?


    [ Parent ]

    I'm studying, (5.00 / 3) (#77)
    by kmblue on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:42:29 AM EST
    Captain! ;)

    [ Parent ]
    you know (5.00 / 3) (#85)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:45:41 AM EST
    if we start seeing a lot of this from outside the country I dont think it will help Obama.  quite the opposite.
    people do not being told how to vote or that their vote will (as this quote suggests) will reveal if they are a racist or not by anyone.  but particularly by furrerniers.

    [ Parent ]
    Yup (5.00 / 7) (#90)
    by kmblue on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:46:47 AM EST
    bad enough I'm being called a racist and an old biddy by my fellow Amurricans.

    [ Parent ]
    You know what's truly weird (5.00 / 10) (#107)
    by MMW on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:52:07 AM EST
    In a post racial world, people are judged or voted for or against, not on the color of their skin but on their resume, experience, character. The whole MLK Jr - "content of character".

    This "test" statement implies that racism is absent if one votes for a black man. Is it just me or is true racism - voting someone unqualified because of the color of their skin (black or white)?

    To pass a racial test - we'd have to vote on experience, resume, and character, not for skin color.

    [ Parent ]

    that statement is insulting (5.00 / 9) (#115)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:56:48 AM EST
    and idiotic on so many level its hard to know where to start.
    first of all it completely discounts the possiblity that a person, possibly even (gasp) a black person, might find McCain more qualified for the most important and powerful job in the world.
    but no.  heck with that.  we are either voting for Obama or burning crosses.


    [ Parent ]
    very true (5.00 / 3) (#155)
    by Josey on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:12:32 AM EST
    and it's interesting that any discussion of Obama's embrace of Black Liberation Theology is dismissed.
    BLT focuses specifically on the political and theological aspects of Christianity - not the spiritual.
    And yet, for the past 8 years Dems have been screaming about Bush fusing religion and government. sigh

    BLT perpetuates racism and victimhood because whites are constantly painted as racist, even with no evidence. That's the reason Obama played the Race Card against the Clintons over and over and over - promoting "victimhood" among his followers. We now see that mentality on Obama blogs - all will be well when Obama defeats evil white Hillary.

    BLT is scary S**t!!  we dismiss it at our own peril.

    [ Parent ]

    it wont be dismissed (5.00 / 4) (#163)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:18:11 AM EST
    for long.  the primary is over.  buckle your seat belts.  its going to be a bumpy ride.

    [ Parent ]
    however (5.00 / 2) (#166)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:19:17 AM EST
    you should read UK newspapers.  didnt you know you are only a racist if you do not vote for Obama.

    [ Parent ]
    I've voted for many Black candidates (5.00 / 2) (#192)
    by Josey on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:33:29 AM EST
    but none were indoctrinated with BLT!
    Obama exudes BLT ideology.
    Scary!


    [ Parent ]
    'Club Obama' isn't a movement. It's, well, a Club (5.00 / 3) (#112)
    by Ellie on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:54:33 AM EST
    The Creative Class wanted clout but they have a little hangout for themselves, as shown by putting more thought into slapping teh groovy- lable on their claque.

    They thing that as their role in kingmaking gives them access into the NuDems and puts them in line for gigs in Punditstan.

    dKos, TPM, Arianna and other pro Obama blogs who are dancing hardest around this "victory" will be sucked of marrow: for GOTV, fund-raising and media pestering when the media/GOP Rethuggernaut starts hurling the serious stuff Obama's and Dems' way.

    However, those polibloggers will have little clout other than to wrangle votes, potential donors and fill the databases with spam-targeted email addresses.

    I suspect the Obama campaign and the Dems will need to iron out some of these issues with the Creative Class and who has the clout.

    The 'people power' phrased bandied about at Cheetoh HQ wasn't actual power or input: it was GOTV:STFU and here's where to send the jack, kids.

    [ Parent ]

    Yes, the Hillary movement (1.00 / 6) (#153)
    by Sara F on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:11:14 AM EST
    Certainly some of the commenters here are sold on Hillary to the exclusion of the Democratic party and democratic causes - like health care and abortion rights.  They'd vote against those interests if they can't vote for Hillary.

    They talk of loyalty to "our girl" and refuse to be critical of anything she's said or done, including failing to concede a lost election the night she finally lost it -- after being on the verge of losing for over two months.

    They think the 18 million people who cast their votes for Hillary are as distraught as they are about Hillary losing.

    I hope time will temper some of these feelings and false notions.

    [ Parent ]

    You (5.00 / 7) (#162)
    by Mary Mary on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:17:28 AM EST
    wear spike-heeled boots, don't you?

    [ Parent ]
    Obama spent 20 years absorbing (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by Josey on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:22:24 AM EST
    Black Liberation Theology! and he regularly demonstrates its tenets and beliefs.
    There's nothing in McCain's history or voting record that remotely compares with the twisted ideology of BLT and ramifications for the nation.

    [ Parent ]
    I know I shouldn't feed trolls (5.00 / 7) (#204)
    by HenryFTP on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:40:05 AM EST
    but I keep seeing this errant nonsense pop up everywhere and my head is just exploding.

    Hillary did not "lose the election" on Tuesday. Barack Obama did not then, does not now, and will not have, legally binding pledges of a majority of the delegates on the first ballot of the Convention. He simply didn't win enough pledged delegates in the primaries and caucuses.

    As has been pretty clearly the case for months, both candidates needed to persuade the superdelegates, but the superdelegates are not legally bound to vote for anyone on the first ballot, no matter what their expressed preferences are.

    Even the biased media reports conceded that Obama was making his victory claim on Tuesday on the basis of privately expressed preferences of superdelegates.

    As someone who has contributed as much of my hard-earned cash as I could to Hillary Clinton's campaign, and in view of the support she received from approximately 18 million other Americans, it was the least the Clinton campaign could do to canvass the superdelegates themselves before conceding.

    I know the "ungraciousness" meme has already become Worldwide Conventional Wisdom, but I for one am not ready to abdicate my citizen's right in our republic to our unelected, unaccountable and irredeemably corrupt corporate media.

    [ Parent ]

    it's the entitlement generation (5.00 / 8) (#60)
    by boredmpa on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:35:12 AM EST
    They want their post-partisan, post-racial, post-classist, trojan-brand horsie and they want it now.  It's as simple as that.


    [ Parent ]
    Well (5.00 / 12) (#17)
    by Emma on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:15:54 AM EST
    I really admire Hillary.  I respect her decision and I'm sure she's a better woman than I.  But I'm still not gonna vote for Obama.  And the more people tell me I "have" to, the closer I am to voting for McCain.

    The Unpersuasiveness Movement (5.00 / 11) (#65)
    by Valhalla on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:37:38 AM EST
    Me too, for cryin' out loud.  Esp. every time I hear some talking pinhead on tv say "oh, everyone always says they won't vote for the other candidate, but they always come back."  Not me, not coming back, not to Obama, and not to the DNC.

    [ Parent ]
    welcome to the right side (1.00 / 7) (#73)
    by Lupin on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:41:19 AM EST
    There are millions of folks who'll vote for McCain, including some really decent people.

    There's nothing intrinsically wrong in voting for the candidate of your choice.

    But please then stop calling yourself a Democrat, a Liberal or even a follower of Hillary Clinton (or Bill Clinton for that matter) whom obviously you do not respect.

    If you root for the Red Sox to lose, you're no longer a Red Sox fan. It's that simple.

    [ Parent ]

    I wonder (5.00 / 7) (#79)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:43:25 AM EST
    if you think you are persuading people by telling people who are probably life long democrats that they are "not democrats"?

    [ Parent ]
    didnt quite get that (none / 0) (#109)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:53:13 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    OH NOES!!! (5.00 / 8) (#103)
    by Emma on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:51:07 AM EST
    I'm not a democrat!  How will I live!!!  Woe is me.

    [ Parent ]
    "Supporters," not "followers" (5.00 / 8) (#108)
    by angie on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:53:10 AM EST
    only Obama has "followers" -- and that is why he doesn't get my vote. I think for myself.

    [ Parent ]
    Not your business how I vote or define myself (5.00 / 8) (#127)
    by Ellie on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:00:40 AM EST
    What's your standing or interest in demanding this, or telling people they have to adhere to your arbitrary standard.

    Are you King Dem or something?

    Individual voters do have the right -- and duty, IMO -- to demand such a thing of public officials, but individuals have no right to thug around individuals in this manner, demanding that they fulfill this or that or else.

    [ Parent ]

    You know (5.00 / 9) (#130)
    by Steve M on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:02:28 AM EST
    You don't have the right to define membership in any of those categories, and it's extremely arrogant of you to presume otherwise.

    I'd suggest you worry about your own business.

    [ Parent ]

    It's time to say goodbye for Hillary, and this (5.00 / 13) (#19)
    by carmel on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:16:49 AM EST
    supporter respects her for supporting Obama, but will respectfully decline to follow, so it's time for me to say goodbye to the democratic party. Unfortunately, I have yet to see anything in Obama that inspires me or causes me to hope or think he will improve this country for the better. Since all the blogs are now Obama only, I will say goodbye as well. Apparently, no difference of opinion that is against Obama is allowed in Obama land.

    Of course not! (1.00 / 8) (#82)
    by Lupin on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:45:24 AM EST
    There is a great number of Republican blogs where you'll be welcome: Red state, Captain's Quarters, Protein wisdom, scrappleface, etc.

    [ Parent ]
    heres one you might like (5.00 / 3) (#94)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:48:06 AM EST
    Link

    [ Parent ]
    Yes (5.00 / 5) (#122)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:59:08 AM EST
    I've visited some of those sites myself, and they feel much more reasonable than KOS, AmericaBlog or Keith Olbermann.  You guys have really gone off the deep end, and it may have fatally wounded your candidate.

    [ Parent ]
    Classy remarks as usual but (5.00 / 10) (#20)
    by smott on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:16:52 AM EST
    ...there's not a thing she could say or do (outside of guaranteeing UHC) which will make me vote for him now.

    So sad (5.00 / 10) (#22)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:17:28 AM EST
    I have never felt this badly about any candidate.  The MSM constant criticism was horrible.  It was personal, sexist, ageist, racist.  Even the latest on Bill Clinton.  All this to choose Obama?  Hope he is worth it.  NOT!

    Feeling better now (5.00 / 13) (#24)
    by Dr Molly on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:19:12 AM EST
    Having realized that I'm no longer a democrat, and that feels very right. They just don't align with my principles. I don't know why it took me so long to see it - when it comes right down to it, they're no better than the republicans. Bigotry, dirty machine politics, hypocrisy. I really can't see the difference anymore. Nader was right.

    I won't vote for him even though Hillary will.

    I agree with you about the party affilliation. (5.00 / 9) (#66)
    by hairspray on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:39:14 AM EST
    The Democratic party has allowed itself to be run by a bunch of "Hacks" and made a royal mess of the nomination process. Of course Axelrod took advantage of the loopholes and gave us a candidate voted for in the most unethical way by an inordinate number of indpendents and Republicans.  These open primaries are a travesty.  By conducting closed primaries and open GE's we will get the real party choice:  the one who stands up for its values and has worked for its goals over time, like Hillary.  That is the main reason I am leaving the party and becoming an independent.

    [ Parent ]
    I feel the same way. (5.00 / 3) (#113)
    by Mari on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:56:07 AM EST
    I'm no longer a Democrat. I feel sad. I don't have a political party anymore. Should I vote for McCain? Maybe. I don't know, but like many longtime Democratic voters I won't be voting for Obama. At least, McCain stood up for women when Pfleger's video came out.

    [ Parent ]
    He (3.00 / 2) (#167)
    by Mary Mary on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:19:18 AM EST
    only did that because he wants you(r vote). He doesn't really love you. :-)

    [ Parent ]
    I feel the same way (1.00 / 1) (#214)
    by BeckyF on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:48:27 AM EST
    I feel sad for you.  You'd rather have more Bush/Cheney.  More of our brave soldiers killed over what?  Oil?  Ok so McCain stood up for women but he also wants 100 more years in Iraq.  Doesn't take a smart person to know where their vote should go! I've never seen such sore losers in my life.  I've been a coach for 30 years and I've seen plenty of sore losers but never, never nothing like this.  Young men and women killed every day in a war that shouldn't have happened but no, you don't think of that do you.  You'd rather get mad because HC didn't win and now decide your no longer a democrat and vote McCain who will have us in a war forever. We'll,  I lost one son and have 2 more over there and I'll be damned if I'm losing them.  I'm fighting my heart and soul to get Obama in as we need NO MORE WAR. and that is exactly what Hillary wants too.

    [ Parent ]
    And because this seems to be the place (5.00 / 5) (#30)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:21:40 AM EST
    to say it, I'm renewing my commitment to support Obama here. He will be the Democratic nominee, and I want a Democrat in the White House come January.

    dem in January (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by noholib on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:57:57 AM EST
    Like andgarden, I also want a Dem in the WH in January and I abhor the prospect of another Republican administration.  

    The Republicans have damaged this country so much, under GWB and even before that starting with Reagan's anti-tax, anti-Washington mania. I have not forgotten this despite Senator Obama's obscuring of these inconvenient truths in his single-minded (almost obscene IMO) effort to woo indies and repubs by dissing the Clintons and falsifying history.

    One of the things that I never liked about Senator Obama was his anti-Washington mantra. I think that's so disingenous whenever a pol uses it.  In fact, I want to elect people who know the ways of Washington or of their state capital because experience counts in every area of life. I detest the icon of the savior-lone outsider riding in on a horse to save the republic. It's another expression of excessive American individualism.

    Which brings me back to political parties and fundamentals: the general election is not just about the individual at the top; I am filled with sorrow and anger at how Democratic Party leaders treated Senator Clinton (at least Al Gore kept quiet, to his credit)and at the resurgence in prime time of sexism and misogyny; BUT I know that I don't want a Republican administration, period!

    We all need a time-out to recover some equilibrium. For the longer-range future, I know I want to support Senator Clinton in her efforts to serve the public in significant ways; I want to fight the sexism and misogyny that is truly alarming; and I want to promote traditional liberal, humane, and constitutional values.  

    [ Parent ]

    Dude, take a pill, and go lie down (5.00 / 4) (#180)
    by MMW on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:27:32 AM EST
    If you were not gifted with any comprehension skills, remain silent but never ever type and remove all doubt.

    None of the people you listed are left wing radicals. Left wing radicals have balls. All of the people you listed have rolled over and allowed the Repubs a back shot.

    None of them have ever put forward left wing legislature. Get off the net.

    [ Parent ]

    A very nice message from (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by TomP on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:24:07 AM EST
    Senator Clinton. She ran a great race.

    And I think she will be an advocate for real universal helath care in the Senate.  Next year, she can lead passage of a universal health care bill with mandates.  Obama will sign it.

    I'm not hopeful that the Senate will accomplish (5.00 / 6) (#52)
    by Joelarama on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:31:12 AM EST
    universal coverage without leadership from the President, which will not be forthcoming, apparently.  Even with Senator Clinton's leadership.

    I seem to remember the Senior Senator from New York downplaying expectations in advance on this very issue, within the past month.

    However, I DO like the image of Hillary as lioness to Ted Kennedy's lion of the Senate.

    [ Parent ]

    All the Party bigwigs (4.81 / 11) (#61)
    by madamab on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:35:25 AM EST
    have already said that UHC is dead in the water.

    Perhaps Hillary, as Senate Majority Leader, can push it through. I know that she has twice the spine of any of 'em, and it's an issue she obviously is very passionate about.

    [ Parent ]

    If there's an example of Washington being (5.00 / 7) (#71)
    by Joelarama on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:40:59 AM EST
    unresponsive to the American people, and listening to lobbyists, that's it.

    Ironic that Hillary catches so much flack for her "lobbyists are people too" remark, when she (and John Edwards) were the candidates who were willing to stake their campaigns on controlling health care costs and and universal coverage.

    It's the inevitable cost control aspects of universal coverage that scare the health care lobbyists most.

    [ Parent ]

    Yup, UHC is dead (5.00 / 9) (#80)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:44:50 AM EST
    I think even Hillary would have had a tough time getting it.  But, with her, we at least had a shot.

    As Krugman has said repeatedly with Obama we have no shot.

    [ Parent ]

    Dems Won't Do Anything On Health Care (5.00 / 7) (#56)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:34:20 AM EST
    next year. Dems politicians backed away from any real changes during the primary. The best you will be able to get will be an expanded S-Chip Program.
    Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), a member of Senate Democratic leadership and a key Hillary Clinton ally who also sits on the Finance Committee, said he is "not sure we have the big plan on healthcare."

    "Healthcare I feel strongly about, but I am not sure that we're ready for a major national healthcare plan," Schumer said.

    Schumer said he would focus "on prevention above all and cost cutting until we can get a national healthcare plan."

    "You don't want to rush and do something and do it incorrectly," said former Sen. John Breaux (D-La.), who helped negotiate the Medicare law.

    Rep. Kendrick Meek (D-Fla.), a Clinton supporter who sits on the House Ways and Means Committee, said "the money is not necessarily there right now" to enact the plans and said calls to end the war in Iraq might consume Washington's attention. The healthcare proposals are a "really good start," he said, but any promises that the next Congress would enact the healthcare plans "at even the beginning of next year to mid-next year would really be political talk at this point.

    "I hear on the campaign trail, `This is what I'm going to do,' as if there is not a Congress here with feelings and experience on this issue," Meek said. "I think it's important that everyone takes that into consideration and that this is not a kingdom, this is a democracy." The Hill




    [ Parent ]
    Sad. Well, this is because Obama (5.00 / 7) (#67)
    by masslib on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:39:40 AM EST
    is the nominee and he ran against UHC.  If you don't push it in the first 100 days, it won't happen.

    [ Parent ]
    another reason (5.00 / 6) (#83)
    by boredmpa on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:45:24 AM EST
    the dems have failed.

    From both a management and a compassion perspective, universal healthcare is a clear win.  It saves lives , billions of dollars a year, and will lead to increased revenue in the long term.

    But don't take my word for it, you can always read the lewin group's analysis of the Cali single payer plan.  Unfortunately, the watered down, pro-insurance plans being pushed just aren't as compelling cost wise or imho to the general populace--we're not being clear enough about what you'll pay for or what you'll get.  

    And as long we have separate lines of care for poor vs middle class, I don't see us getting anywhere in terms of public health.

    It's sort of the same gotcha situation as transit investment--no one wants to ride it except those that have to because the service sucks.  the service sucks because no one wants to ride it except those that have to (and thus no funding).

    [ Parent ]

    Obama does not support mandates (5.00 / 3) (#124)
    by Democratic Cat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:59:35 AM EST
    I don't think she can get a bill with mandates passed. Her fellow Senators will not go along.

    [ Parent ]
    I hope so (none / 0) (#43)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:26:42 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    It seems somewhat sad ... (5.00 / 18) (#44)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:27:24 AM EST
    that we live in an age where taking a legitimate fight to the convention is tantamount to storming the Bastille.

    Had she taken her fight to Denver, what would that have really entailed?  A bunch of people meeting in a room and voting.

    But we can't have that, now can we?

    Hillary better make sure to use the right fork at dinner, because you never how people might react if she uses the salad fork for her main course.

    It's (5.00 / 12) (#62)
    by Emma on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:35:33 AM EST
    the age of misogyny.  It's not the floor fight that's the issue.  It's that it's a giiiiiirrrrrrlllll who wants to do it.  Girls don't get to do anything boys do.  And if we want to, we must be doing it because we're girls, not because we have a point.  And if we try to, we must be smacked down at every opportunity.  Every girl who's ever been on a playground knows this.

    [ Parent ]
    Yup. (5.00 / 7) (#70)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:40:45 AM EST
    That's a big part of it.

    What's that sound you hear?  That's Hillary's head hitting the glass ceiling.

    [ Parent ]

    I think (5.00 / 7) (#74)
    by Emma on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:41:45 AM EST
    it's more like the glass ceiling being dropped on Hillary's head.  Repeatedly.

    [ Parent ]
    Oh no (1.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:45:51 AM EST
    She hit it as hard as she could and she cracked, God bless her.

    Whatever you think of this campaign she made easier for the next.

    [ Parent ]

    should read cracked it (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:46:08 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    She smashed the glass ceiling (5.00 / 5) (#131)
    by HenryFTP on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:03:27 AM EST
    but the Party Establishment and the Corporate Media stabbed her in the back with the broken shards.

    [ Parent ]
    YOu have seriously (5.00 / 5) (#134)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:05:13 AM EST
    got to be kidding me.  What woman in her right mind would run for president knowing this media climate?

    [ Parent ]
    The brave. Politics is not for the feint-hearted (1.00 / 1) (#161)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:16:46 AM EST
    Why did you (do you) like Hillary? I admired her, not just for her positions, I admired/admire she's brave, because she had fight and spirit. That's not going to change. She may run again someday or not. I guarantee you another woman politician will pick up where she left off.

    [ Parent ]
    HRC has a glass ceiling and Oie, a glass floor (5.00 / 2) (#169)
    by Ellie on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:19:53 AM EST
    It's so sad because the imposition on Sen Clinton was to limit her reach. Obama's ascended prematurely and his influence (and nebulous alleged "movement" won't help the Dems downticket nor do much for the party generally.)

    Time will tell if this pays off, but I've seen enough of the campaign to recognize that the kind of support Obama got for personality points was the kind of "organizing" that's very temporary and transient.

    It doesn't actually sell a brand so much as a temporary product or transient groovy thing, like a movie or flavor of the month, hence the Glass Floor.

    The Dems see a new generation of voters out of this, or whatever has Donna Brazile, Howard Dean and other Dem powermongers slobbering over young flesh.

    Presumably they and the Creative Class have visions of being impelled forward by obedient new helper bots that can be deployed en masse to pester whomever -- after turning over their moolah.

    It'll be interesting to see who's going to be doing more of the yelling and pestering, and who's going to be doing more of the sitting back waiting for sh!t to happen.  

    [ Parent ]

    I've been on plenty of playgrounds (1.00 / 2) (#177)
    by Sara F on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:23:51 AM EST
    I always got picked for softball teams, because I was good for a two base hit.  I didn't get picked much for volleyball - I wasn't very good at it.

    I didn't get picked to be a safety patrol, because even though I had good grades and good attendance, I was too short.  When I pointed out a boy who was just as short had been selected, I got put on the squad!

    I'm not trying to say girls are never treated unfairly, but please, focusing on victimization is no way to change things.  

    [ Parent ]

    Work it Sara F (5.00 / 8) (#184)
    by kmblue on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:29:09 AM EST
    I promote you to Unity Ambassador Phase 2! ;)

    [ Parent ]
    OMG!! (5.00 / 8) (#189)
    by Emma on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:30:12 AM EST
    You WIN!! Sexism is dead!! How could I have missed it?  I guess I'm just clinging to my victimization.  It's so much more comfy wearing a hair shirt.

    [ Parent ]
    Hillary (5.00 / 6) (#47)
    by Mary Mary on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:29:05 AM EST
    Clinton is doing what she feels she must and her voters will do the same, now and in November.

    We also sent her some $$ on Tues, but I figured it was for retiring debt and don't begrudge it at all.

    This chapter will close, but for some reason I don't think we've closed the book on this primary season. Denver is a long time away.

    Key to healing (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by samtaylor2 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:30:29 AM EST
    I think the key to healing is to have a solid week of both sides discussing in positive ways the historical importance of both these campaigns.  And more importantly, what we can do to go forward.  I thought some of the most interesting op ed pieces recently about Douglas vs. Stanton, and the fact that only one group could get what they wanted.  It is sad commentary on this country that only one historically subjugated group can bask in success at one time.

    Key to healing (5.00 / 10) (#75)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:41:50 AM EST
    Obama making clear and unequivical apologies for his smears against both Bill and Hillary. He must do this publicly. Otherwise, McCain will continue to have the upper hand with Hillary's voters.

    [ Parent ]
    If he admits to it (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Burned on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:48:24 AM EST
    I'm going to throw up. Every time I see him.
    To vote for him I just need to wash it from my brain.

    [ Parent ]
    He won't do it (5.00 / 4) (#135)
    by Valhalla on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:05:40 AM EST
    and if he did, I can't imagine it would be sincere.  How could it be?  He would need to show me years of sincere and genuine work for the issues I care about (and living in a not-misogynistic society is one of them) before he'd be minimally credible on this count.

    My hope is that if he does, folks will see it for what it is.

    Integrity's about what you do when it might cost you something, not when it costs you nothing, or worse, when you just want something from someone.

    [ Parent ]

    It won't be sin