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Today's Crime Postings

I just got an e-mail asking me when TalkLeft was going to return to covering the politics of crime now that the nomination has been decided. Just today, TChris and I posted these:

Considering we are practicing lawyers with day jobs, and it's been 24 hours since the nomination has been decided, that's a fairly prodigious amount of writing. [More...]

We write a lot here in a day -- usually 20 posts or more. You either need to scroll down the front page or put TL in your RSS feeder so you can see the headlines of the last ten or so stories without having to open the site. You can just click on those you are interested in.

I also find it somewhat amusing that after 6 years there are still so few comments on the crime posts, yet when they slow down, as they did during the nomination race, I get a slew of e-mails from irate lawyers who tell me how disappointed they are in TalkLeft.

Judging by the comments and the rise in our traffic over the last six months, the coverage of the primaries is what readers want. Nonetheless, silent lawyer lurkers can rest assured, TChris and I are back on crime duty.

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    I know nothing about criminal law (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:57:40 PM EST
    Law and Order fans would write better stuff about it than me.

    That's why I said (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:00:02 PM EST
    TChris and I are back on crime duty.

    You are all politics and we're glad of it.

    [ Parent ]

    Phew! (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:01:19 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    You mean to say (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:00:51 PM EST
    that you're not a Law and Order fan? ;-)

    [ Parent ]
    It's like this BTD (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:07:41 PM EST
    In the Criminal Justice System the people are represented by two separate, yet equally important groups. The police who investigate crime and the District Attorneys who prosecute the offenders.

    There, that's all you need to know.

    Oh yeah - they have stories.

    [ Parent ]

    and on law and order (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:15:14 PM EST
    the third group, those who defend the rights of those accused of crime, are the dirty, f'g hippies.

    Years ago I had a mini-debate here with Dick Wolf. He got mad because I wrote a post criticizing an interview he did in which he said prosecutors are doing G'd's work. I pointed out that public defenders and those who defend death penalty cases are doing G-d's work too. He took great umbrage in the comments section, first because I mispelled his name, and then with my  criticism. (The comments are no longer there -- you'll have to take my word for it -- every few years I purge the comments from older years to save bandwidth.)

    [ Parent ]

    I would have liked that debate (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:21:19 PM EST
    Yes, the defense lawyers do get the shaft on that show.  The most principled ones always get screwed by their clients in a little morality play.

    [ Parent ]
    You should repost that (none / 0) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:19:52 PM EST
    Sounds fascinating.

    [ Parent ]
    Ooops (none / 0) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:21:30 PM EST
    No longer there.

    sounds great though.

    Invite him back.

    [ Parent ]

    Much like Obama's 2002 speech, (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:36:14 PM EST
    J could recreate from memory.

    [ Parent ]
    You made me choke on a Frito. (none / 0) (#50)
    by Teresa on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:42:00 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    and do a film simulation of it as Obama did his (none / 0) (#73)
    by andrys on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 08:03:31 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    The post is (none / 0) (#43)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:36:11 PM EST
    here, it's just all the comments that are gone.

    [ Parent ]
    Ha! Tossed your commenters (5.00 / 4) (#61)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:05:10 PM EST
    under the TL bus, I see.  So that means we'll all end up there someday.  

    Bandwidth uber alles.  Sniff.

    [ Parent ]

    it will be years from now (none / 0) (#66)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:18:41 PM EST
    Only 2002-2004 comments are gone for now. The next batch to go will be 2005-2006, but that won't be for a while.  The 2008 comments will be up for at least another three years. By then, you'll probably be happy if I take them down.

    [ Parent ]
    JUST the comments? (none / 0) (#74)
    by andrys on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 08:08:54 AM EST
    Is that just?  :-)

     - commenter

    PS I would love to read that thread someday if you have it on backup!

    [ Parent ]

    That's a very good story (none / 0) (#26)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:20:27 PM EST
    But how do you know it was really Dick Wolf? ::commercial::

    [ Parent ]
    Because I know him (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:34:46 PM EST
    we used to do Rivera Live shows together and not that long before I wrote that post I had run into him at dinner in NY. He was telling me about a new documentary series he was producing about cops or prosecutors (I forget which now) and actual trials and I was telling him about a pilot I had done for TNT on wrongful convictions. He asked me how many episodes we had filmed and I said "one." I asked him how many he had done and he said something like "247." The show I did never progressed past the one pilot. Like I said, guilt sells, innocence doesn't.

    But, I'm very proud that in the two cases we "reinvestigated" for the pilot I did, both defendants ultimately got freed -- after serving years in jail, of course, for crimes they didn't commit.

    Anyway, it was Dick Wolf.

    [ Parent ]

    Cool (none / 0) (#45)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:36:56 PM EST
    I'd love to see the video of the show you did.

    [ Parent ]
    Definitely g-d's work there (none / 0) (#75)
    by andrys on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 08:11:11 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    That show drives me nuts (none / 0) (#67)
    by fuzzyone on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:23:51 PM EST
    There always seems to be a scene where the suspect, with his defense attorney, negotiates with the DA and then spills the beans.  I've been a criminal defense attorney for almost 15 years, still waiting to see that one.  It will certainly never happen on my watch.

    [ Parent ]
    I remember that post well (none / 0) (#70)
    by s5 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:55:31 PM EST
    It actually shaped my current view of criminal defense as an important public service, rather than thinking of them as the people you hire if you get in trouble.

    [ Parent ]
    You forgot the (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:25:54 PM EST
    chuh-CHING.

    Buh-duh, duh-duh duh-duh, DUH-duh. . . .

    [ Parent ]

    Heh (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:12:20 PM EST
    I stopped watching once Ben Stone left.

    [ Parent ]
    I basically stopped (none / 0) (#19)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:14:57 PM EST
    when reruns went off A&E, which I think was right around when Carey Lowell left. I didn't like the Texan they replaced her with.

    And now I can't look at Sam Waterston without thinking of Unity 08. Ugh.

    [ Parent ]

    I stopped when I realized (none / 0) (#24)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:17:39 PM EST
    I always fell asleep before the end and never saw if the defendant got convicted or not. So it wasn't worth the 40 minute time investment.

    [ Parent ]
    Dun dun! (none / 0) (#16)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:13:17 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    My little nephew loved that opening music (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:15:23 PM EST
    as a baby.  We are pretty sure he is going to end up on some end of the criminal justice system.

    [ Parent ]
    We read them even if we don't comment much (5.00 / 7) (#7)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:03:24 PM EST
    I don't have much to add to those discussions beyond "that's so wrong" or "that's great".   That does not indicate lack of interest however.

    I found you for the Hillary safe harbor, I'll stick around for the interesting legal discussions.

    I always feel bad (5.00 / 4) (#9)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:07:08 PM EST
    because I have nothing to say about those posts. But I rationalize that I'm not using up bandwidth by commenting.

    [ Parent ]
    Me too (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:11:21 PM EST
    I feel like if Jeralyn took the time to write a good post about something important, I should have something to say besides 'Wow'.  

    but yes, I will feel good about not blogclogging those threads.

    [ Parent ]

    HIllary brought me here also. (none / 0) (#42)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:36:10 PM EST
    As it turns out, I am a criminal defense attorney and never knew of this site!!  Great site and much appreciated.  Thanks Jeralyn and BTD.  You provided much respite during the most trying time of the campaign.    

    [ Parent ]
    I'd comment on crime posts... (5.00 / 4) (#23)
    by dianem on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:17:03 PM EST
    ...but in all honesty I'm a bit intimidated. I'm a biologist/computer analyst, and this place is packed with lawyers. In a few instances I feel safe providing an opinion, but mostly I just read. Occasionally I start a comment and then realize that I don't know what I'm talking about and delete it. I'm betting I'm not the only one.

    You win that bet (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:24:50 PM EST
    I do the same thing.

    [ Parent ]
    Don't delete it (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:37:24 PM EST
    It is great for lawyers to hear what non-lawyers think.  Kind of gives you a juror perspective.

    [ Parent ]
    Don't be shy.... (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 08:46:49 AM EST
    I'm a college drop-out jack-of-all trades, and the criminal justice posts are my fav's.

    I like to think I bring a "undesirable degenerate man of the street" angle to the discussion:)  

    All the non-lawyers should comment from their unique persepective...can't speak for others, but how people from all walks of life think interests me greatly. It's how we learn...

    So glad to see TChris posting up a storm, and the hostess with the mostess focusing on the politics of crime again.  Keep it up!!

    [ Parent ]

    I occasionally have to work with attorneys (none / 0) (#36)
    by ChuckieTomato on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:32:30 PM EST
    which is why I say, everything you've heard about them probably is true. No offense to the site owner/mods., and obviously present company excluded.

    They're interesting, but to back and forth on them beyond just giving an opinion, you'd have to really know your legalese and technical jargon  

    [ Parent ]

    Half of my siblings are lawyers (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:39:16 PM EST
    and I come from a sizeable family.

    Worse, they're all litigators.

    Family reunions can be sheer h*ll for the timid.  The sisters-in-law just leave.  But the nieces and nephews, just kids, can find themselves having to speak for the defense.  About just about anything.

    And yeh, the contest seems to be who can come up with the most multisyllabic obscure Latin term.

    Luckily, I'm so old that I took Latin.  But that was so long ago, I have to cheat now.  I love the Internet; I just look up some obscure Latin term that lawyers wouldn't know and save it to spring on them, claiming it was cited in some precedent-setting case.

    That's how bad it is with lawyers in the family.  I have to prep my brief for a family reunion.


    [ Parent ]

    I had to listen to a roommate fret (5.00 / 0) (#60)
    by ChuckieTomato on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:05:04 PM EST
    over the LSAT for a whole semester. I empathize.

    [ Parent ]
    Just try to actually TAKE the LSAT. . . (none / 0) (#62)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:06:21 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Ha try taking an (ARE) (none / 0) (#64)
    by ChuckieTomato on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:14:18 PM EST
    then I'll here complaints.

    [ Parent ]
    Would it help if I complained (5.00 / 5) (#32)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:28:03 PM EST
    that there's not enough about politics on this site?

    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:30:30 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Petition to request Howard Dean resignation (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by differnet on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:34:23 PM EST
    Hey, there is an active petition that is requesting that Howard Dean resign from the DNC chair.  If you want to sign, please google the words "petition howard dean resign" and the petition should be the first link.

    I'd sign (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by Emma on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:42:29 PM EST
    a petition to permanently banish Donna Brazile from the Democratic Party.  Where's that petition?

    [ Parent ]
    Different petition (none / 0) (#69)
    by standingup on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:48:36 PM EST
    One up for her to be the Ambassador to the North Pole.

    [ Parent ]
    TL (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by txpolitico67 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:35:43 PM EST
    is where I came to hang out during the Valerie Plame situation.  In fact, that's when I first started blogging. The Plame case was fascinating on so many levels.  Being a law school drop-out (I am getting the itch to go back), I find the aspects of a juicy case to be fascinating, but the whole red tape of it all BORING.  Contradiction in terms?  ;)

    Welcome back (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:35:50 PM EST


    Wow, Jim (5.00 / 5) (#53)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:43:05 PM EST
    you're back too?

    To our newer readers, JimakaPPJ is our longest standing ultra conservative who makes the liberal commenters here crazy when we write about the war and a variety of other topics. He's too smart to violate the comment rules (mostly) -- and he is always the first to contribute when I throw up a donation request -- so he gets a little extra leeway.

    If you think BTD and commenters go at it, you should see jimakaPPJ and Squeaky and a few others.

    [ Parent ]

    Ah yes.... (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 08:55:08 AM EST
    the one, the only, the infamous PPJ:)

    [ Parent ]
    Ultra Conservative??? (1.00 / 0) (#76)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 08:16:24 AM EST
    Please Jeralyn...... You know I am a social liberal! What conservative would post in favor of gay marriage, women and minority rights, drug law rationalization, national health care among other items.

    But I am strong supporter of the military and believe the war on terror is really WWIV and that we have no choice but to finish a war they started.

    Anyway, I'm glad to see the subject matter veer back towards social and war issues instead of politics 24/7..

    BTW - Did you know we missed our fifth anniversary  a couple months back? Many marriages don't last that long!

    ;-)

    [ Parent ]

    I agree with PPJ here. (1.00 / 0) (#79)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:28:03 PM EST
    He's only "ultra conservative" when measured against TL which, to be sure, is way, way, WAY beyond-the-edge liberal.

    For those who've only been here for the election, wait until the next abortion thread comes up.

    J's position is that a baby is not a person until and unless it is 100% completely born. iow, she supports the right to abort a baby up to - and including - it's actual birth.

    Still got one leg in your mom's birth canal? Sorry, you have no more rights than a hangnail.

    She believes in open borders. Anyone, at any time, for anything, may come to the US and once here has every and all rights of a citizen. No other county, of course, must do that, only the US.

    I could go on...

    All that said, these positions are the result of her unquestionable love of humanity. What makes TL so great is that others with the same love of humanity, but who come to different positions, can express them here.


    [ Parent ]

    I think it's as a predictor that PPJ really shines (none / 0) (#80)
    by Dark Avenger on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 03:18:45 PM EST
    along with the respect and intellectual care that he crafts his arguments.

    "You won't because, as I have shown time and again, you are wrong."

    Link

    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Nov 06, 2006 at 06:39:04 AM EST

        cpinva - I keep asking the same question to those who I know are Demos... Let's assume that you guys get the Senate and the House...

    Which means you didn't share that assumption, for starters.

    Do you need more?

    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Nov 06, 2006 at 01:35:00 PM EST

        I think the Demos are getting worried, and I see some whistling past the graveyard.

    and you quoted this as well, and in another thread on the same day, to boot:

        In the religious demographics, where the Democrats have tried mightily to find some traction, they also have problems. They held a thin lead (5 points) among all Protestants, but now trail by 9. Their ten-point lead among white mainline Protestants has dissipated into a tie. They lead among all Catholic, having lost three points off of an eight-point lead, but non-Hispanic Catholics now favor the GOP by 5 points, a ten-point shift.

    [ Parent ]

    ah yes..... The Demos won (1.00 / 0) (#81)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 08:47:53 PM EST
    And in 2/2007 oil was $55.00 a barrel and unemployment around 4.5%.

    15 short months later oil is $136. and unemployment 5.5% and rising.

    Way to go Demos! You have shown us you can screw anything up!

    Don't you wish I had been right????

    hehehehe

    [ Parent ]

    That the Republicans (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Dark Avenger on Sun Jun 08, 2008 at 09:49:05 PM EST
    were in the majority for the last 6 years before doesn't enter into your illogic, so thanks for demonstrating the same lack of insight that went into your midterm predictions.

    TTFN.

    [ Parent ]

    heh (none / 0) (#83)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 04:44:21 PM EST
    Oil was $22.00 a barrel when Bush came in. 72 months later it was $55.00. That is a $33.00 increase or less than 50 cents a month.

    From the $55.00 a barrel when the Demos took over Congress in 2/07 oil has increased to around $137.00 a barrel in 15 months, a rise of $82.00. That is about $5.80 a month increase.

    What is that? a 1000% increase??

    And that was with California Pelosi and Surrender Harry promising to lower the price of oil.

    God knows what it would be if they hadn't have promised....

    And about three weeks ago Surrender Harry again blocked a Repub bill to start drilling in the US, a move that would immediately bring relief.

    DA, tell me why the Left wants to bankrupt the country, make old people have to decide between paying their utility bills and their medicine while enriching OPEC???

    [ Parent ]

    Heh o late-posting one (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Dark Avenger on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 08:33:02 PM EST
    72 months later it was $55.00.

    You don't think that the Iraqi War, which was originally suppose to pay for itself and lead to 20$/barrel oil(according to Rupert Murdoch 5+ years ago) which increased the demand on the oil supply had something to do with it?

    Correlation doesn't imply causation btw.

    Correlation does not imply causation is a phrase used in the sciences and statistics to emphasize that correlation between two variables does not imply that one causes the other. Its negation, correlation proves causation, is a logical fallacy by which two events that occur together are claimed to have a cause-and-effect relationship. The fallacy is also known as cum hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin for "with this, therefore because of this") and false cause. By contrast, the fallacy post hoc ergo propter hoc requires that one event occurs before the other and so may be considered a type of cum hoc.

    And that was with California Pelosi and Surrender Harry promising to lower the price of oil.

    Hey, at least they seemed to be aware of the problem, unlike your former buddy-boy, a Valley Girl is Marie Curie compared to him:

    Q A number of analysts are predicting --

    THE PRESIDENT: Oh, yeah?

    Q -- $4 a gallon gasoline this spring when they reformulate.

    THE PRESIDENT: That's interesting. I hadn't heard that.

    Q Yes, sir.

    THE PRESIDENT: Yes. I know it's high now.

    Link

    And about three weeks ago Surrender Harry again blocked a Repub bill to start drilling in the US, a move that would immediately bring relief.

    The Bedwetter Republicans in the Senate tied his hands, what could he do.

    Hey, thanks PPJ, I never knew mindless invective could be fun until you showed me the way.

    But in this case, it isn't:

    As his side of the Capitol grew increasingly dysfunctional today, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called it the "surreal world in the Senate," and linked the presumed Republican presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain, to the partisan warfare grinding business to a halt.

    Congress traditionally slows as the presidential contests heat up, but on Tuesday, just days after the race between McCain of Arizona and Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois began in earnest, the Senate was practically moving backward.

    Midday, Senate Republicans objected to a routine request to allow a Senate committee to meet while the Senate was in session.

    Republicans are still fuming over Reid's inability to have three of President Bush's judicial nominees approved in a timely manner, and they protested holding a Judiciary Committee meeting where judges were not on the agenda.

    However, on the committee's agenda was a hearing on interrogation techniques (read: torture).

    Reid said Republicans were blocking a torture hearing and then he pulled a stunt of his own. He recessed the Senate, a fairly dramatic step, so the Judiciary Committee could conduct its business.

    The stunt and counter-stunt followed morning votes when Republicans blocked debate on two Democratic energy bills."We've got the surreal world in the Senate," Reid said during a meeting of party leaders at Democratic National Committee headquarters to show a united front behind Obama after the grueling primary season.

    Senators, Reid said, were blocked from debating gas prices, renewable energy and even torture "in the surreal world that John McCain signed onto, led by Republicans in the Senate."

    "We have in the Republican nominee a flawed candidate," Reid continued. "His temperament is wrong. He's wrong on the war. He's wrong on the economy."

    Even House Speaker Nancy Pelosi launched a cross-Capitol criticism of Senate Republicans.

    Republicans, meanwhile, mocked Democrats' energy bills, calling one the "no energy bill" because it would create new taxes on oil companies and fails to allow more drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to increase oil supply.

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky also tied in presidential politics, criticizing Obama for saying he would have "preferred a gradual adjustment" in gas prices.

    "A gradual adjustment to $4 gas is not an energy plan for America," McConnell said. "As Republicans have repeatedly said... conservation measures are important... But we can't conserve our way out of this problem."

    As they say, we don't know unless we try.

    To be fair and balanced:

    Senate Republicans today killed legislation to eliminate billions of dollars in federal subsidies for the oil and gas industry and invest the money instead in renewable fuels. The bill would also have applied a windfall-profit tax to large oil companies that fail to invest in clean energy technologies.

    The count was 51 to 43 against moving to debate the legislation -- nine votes short of that needed to trump the GOP filibuster. Six Republicans joined the Democratic majority in supporting the bill, including Sens. Norm Coleman (Minn.), Susan Collins (Maine) and Gordon Smith (Ore.), all of whom face tough reelection bids in November.

    The vote showcases the partisan disagreement over energy policy as lawmakers scramble to rein in the price of gasoline, which topped $4 per gallon this weekend. Democrats are pushing to eliminate the oil subsidies, in effect demanding that the industry pony up in the name of helping consumers. In launching their criticisms, Democrats cite the national-security concerns and record-high oil industry profits. Republicans, on the other hand, claim that protecting the oil industry is the key to lower gas costs. Cutting the subsidies, they say, constitutes a new tax on industry -- a cost that would only be passed along to consumers, exacerbating the problem. GOP leaders have rallied behind the White House in calling to unlock more domestic oil reserves, like those in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, currently protected from drilling.

    The stalemate leaves plenty of room for political posturing in the lead-up to November's elections, with each side blaming the other for stalling efforts to lower the cost of fuel. If the 2006 elections were a referendum on the war in Iraq, this year's contests are evolving as a blame game over prices at the pump.

    Just before Tuesday's vote, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), a lead sponsor of the proposal, accused the Bush administration of catering blindly to the oil industry.

    "They never asked the oil executives to build new refineries or to invest in clean, renewable alternative fuels," Reid said on the chamber floor. "They apparently failed to consider the national-security implications of our addiction to oil, and never asked the oil companies to invest in clean energy we can grow right here in America."

    Environmentalists were quick to chime in, blasting Republicans for prioritizing industry at the expense of cleaner energy solutions.

    "Make no mistake," Carl Pope, executive director of the Sierra Club, said in a statement, "this minority chose protecting big oil instead of promoting affordable clean energy and protecting their constituents from the crippling energy prices that are wrecking our economy."

    Under the bill, roughly $17 billion in tax breaks to the oil industry would be transferred to promote wind, solar and other renewable energies over the next 10 years. It would also take steps to punish price gouging by retailers and suspend purchases of crude oil by the Strategic Petroleum Reserve through the end of the year. In addition, large oil companies that don't invest in new refineries and clean technologies would get hit with a 25 percent windfall profit tax.

    But Republicans wonder how a new tax for the oil companies could reduce gas costs for consumers. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Tuesday called the proposal a political "gimmick."

    "Democrats will claim that this bill would bring gas prices down," McConnell said in a statement. "But in doing so they are counting on Americans to forget a basic law of economics: that raising taxes on those who produce something leads to an increase in the price of the products they sell. This was true in Adam Smith's pin factory. It's true for energy companies today. More taxes means higher prices."

    Earlier in the day, echoing McConnell's concerns, the White House said President George W. Bush would veto the bill if it reached his desk.

    The comments come just days after the price of oil surged $11 per barrel to more than $139 -- the largest ever single-day jump. The trend has prompted Saudi Arabian leaders to announce a summit among oil-producing nations to address the skyrocketing costs of fuel.

    "There is no justification for the current rise in prices," Saudi Arabia's Information and Culture Minister Iyad Madanisaid said Monday, according to The Associated Press.

    Also on Tuesday, Senate Republicans blocked debate on a separate Democratic bill to extend roughly $50 billion in expiring renewable energy tax credits to businesses and consumers. The vote, largely along party lines, was 50 to 44 -- 10 shy of the 60 needed to defeat a filibuster. Republicans objected to several tax-code changes in the bill, including one preventing hedge fund managers from deferring taxes paid on income held in offshore tax havens.

    The vote brought another round of biting accusations over which party has the concerns of voters in mind.

    "When gas is four dollars a gallon, it's unconscionable to refuse to help this country turn toward new sources of energy," Senate Finance Committee Chair Max Baucus (D-Mont.), who sponsored the bill, said in a statement. "I don't know how bad it has to get before some senators vote to fix our energy policy."

    DA, tell me why the Left wants to bankrupt the country, make old people have to decide between paying their utility bills and their medicine while enriching OPEC???

    I dunno, maybe they think they can win by acting like Republicans?

    This has been another edition of simple answers to simple questions, with a tip of the DA chapeau to Atrios.

    Thanks for the laughs!

    [ Parent ]

    You can tell when DA (none / 0) (#85)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 11:36:33 PM EST
    is in trouble, he writes a lot and tries to change the subject.

    Won't work, DA.

    Here is what happened.

    Prior to the Demos taking over, OPEC was slowly increasing prices but was afraid that if they became too greedy the American people would scream and the Repubs would be able to force the Demos to give in and let drilling start in the US.

    After the Demos lied their way to power through promises of lower oil prices, OPEC knew they could do what ever they wanted and the Demos would do nothing. OPEC was right, and you can see the result.

    As I said. Gasoline was about $2.25 in 2/2007. It is now over $4.00 after only 15 short months of Demo control.

    How does it feel to be a member of a party that is letting OPEC bankrupt the country, starve our elderly and have everyone uncertain on how they will be able to buy food and pay their energy bills.

    Congrats, DA. You and the Demos deserve each other.

    [ Parent ]

    You can tell when PPJ is going off the rails (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Dark Avenger on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:50:49 AM EST
    when he gets a bit nutty.

    tehe

    Won't work, DA.

    I haven't exactly been holding my breath waiting for your approval, and your "surrender, Dorothy!" tactics work as well as they have in the past, which is to say not at all.

    Here is what happened.

    or in other words, Once upon a Time

    Prior to the Demos taking over, OPEC was slowly increasing prices but was afraid that if they became too greedy the American people would scream and the Repubs would be able to force the Demos to give in and let drilling start in the US.

    But there wasn't any increased demand from India, Russia, China, etc. which would tend to drive the price up as well during that time and would be independent of the malign strategy that you've imaginatively came up with.

    After the Demos lied their way to power through promises of lower oil prices

    Funny, you didn't mention this tactic during the time you were predicting the 2006 mid-terms would go to the Republicans.

    But, at least I've gotten you to agree that you did make the predictions in the first place.

    Oh,I should've done a better job documenting your quote I used previously, for which I apologize and hope that this helps you with your quest for the truth:

    Please provide a link (1.00 / 1) (#85)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 02, 2008 at 05:54:11 PM EST
    to the midterm predictions I made.

    You won't because, as I have shown time and again, you are wrong.

    You have become squeaky.

        Posted by Squeaky at September 19, 2005 11:19 PM
        Rove never needed proof for his smear machine, why should I.

        Glad to oblige, PPJ (none / 0) (#87)
        by Dark Avenger on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 12:48:41 AM EST

    This is what Democrats were talking about before the election, BTW:

       

    PATRICIA MADRID (D), NEW MEXICO:  I`ll work to get rid of subsidies to oil companies.

        GREGORY:  Nancy Pelosi stands to be the new House speaker if Democrats win.

        NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), HOUSE DEMOCRATIC LEADER:  After we drain the swap by enacting reform that is about integrity, civility, and fiscal discipline.

        GREGORY: On the Democratic to-do list:  Raise the minimum wage, implement the 9/11 Commission recommendations, revise the prescription drug program to lower drug costs, and invest in alternative energy sources.

    Link

    That's a bit less hysterical that your previous reference to 'seizing power' like some sort of coup  instead of an election took place.

    Your wild accusations would sell out if they were edible and as fat-free as they have, are, and will be fact-free when coming from you.

    Carry on.

    OPEC knew they could do what ever they wanted and the Demos would do nothing. OPEC was right, and you can see the result.As I said. Gasoline was about $2.25 in 2/2007. It is now over $4.00 after only 15 short months of Demo control.

    This response isn't mine, but it will do:

    Hell, that's already begun. I received an email from a co-worker today bemoaning the fact that since the Dems captured Congress in aught-six that gas prices have risen by a $1.67 per gallon!

    Getthef**outtahere I responded. Are you cereal? I mean, since aught-one gas prices have risen by like, 4 dollars!

    Pretty soon the war will Pelosi's fault, the war Reid's fault and the fact that Prager can't call a woman a b* in public without facing recrimination, Clinton's fault.

     

    How does it feel to be a member of a party that is letting OPEC bankrupt the country, starve our elderly and have everyone uncertain on how they will be able to buy food and pay their energy bills.

    I think you should ask a Republican that, especially given the fact that the Republicans, as I have documented(and which you haven't disputed) are holding things up.  Again, just in case you weren't paying attention the first time:

    The count was 51 to 43 against moving to debate the legislation -- nine votes short of that needed to trump the GOP filibuster. Six Republicans joined the Democratic majority in supporting the bill, including Sens. Norm Coleman (Minn.), Susan Collins (Maine) and Gordon Smith (Ore.), all of whom face tough reelection bids in November.

    The vote showcases the partisan disagreement over energy policy as lawmakers scramble to rein in the price of gasoline, which topped $4 per gallon this weekend. Democrats are pushing to eliminate the oil subsidies, in effect demanding that the industry pony up in the name of helping consumers. In launching their criticisms, Democrats cite the national-security concerns and record-high oil industry profits.

    Yes, those evil, I tell you EVIL
    Democrats forced the Republicans to keep a debate on the bill from taking place.

    Congrats, DA. You and the Demos deserve each other.

    As I've noted before:

    It's always "Demos bad!" in PPJ_Land (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Dark Avenger on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 10:57:00 AM EST
    that's the basis of all his 'predictions'.

                                                      Thanks for helping my prediction come true, and better luck next time with yours.

    I appreciate this opportunity to present the truth to you and let others determine which one of us is singing the loony tunes here.

    TTFN.

    [ Parent ]

    hehe (none / 0) (#87)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:10:50 PM EST
    Thanks for making my point.

    But there wasn't any increased demand from India, Russia, China, etc

    And if the Demos had not blocked drilling in the US the effects of this demand would have been minimal as OPEC would not have had the whip hand they knew they had when the Demos took over.

    yadda yadda DA. You can run but you can't hide.

    The energy policies of the Demos have caused untold damage to the country and I would bring them to the dock of public opinion. Their actions have been shameful beyond belief.

    How many senior citizens this winter will have to choose between heat and drugs needed to keep them alive? How many children will go to bed hungry because their parents have lost their jobs in this downturn induced by OPEC being set free to rape the country by the Demos?

    And all done so that the Demos could placate their base of Environmental Wackos of the Left.

    What great people you hang out with, DA. Loverly. Just loverly.

    [ Parent ]

    Rant and ROTFLMFAS (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Dark Avenger on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 06:35:07 PM EST
    PPJ, you again assert the same "facts" in an ameteurish attempt to put the blame on the Democrat in lieu of discussing why the Republicans didn't let a bill come up for a discussion, not necessarily a vote even.

    <PPJ in Charlie Brown cartoon adult voice>

    What great people you hang out with, DA. Loverly. Just loverly

    Yes, like this likeable fellow who is alleged to have written the following a while back.:

    I thought that reminding you of your position regarding our military might be enough to shame you into silence.

    But, as you know, some folks get a little leeway, and life is too short to complain of the internet equivalents of the

    Oh, that part about before the Democrats were in power, would you like a little reminder of that time again?

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

    PORTER BARRY, FOX NEWS:  You can come on with Bill, and you can help out the environment, and you won`t have to fly all the way to Minneapolis.  We chat about all of this.

    BILL MOYERS, PBS:  You don`t have the courage to say to Rupert Murdoch, when are we going to get 20 dollars a barrel oil.

    Rupert Murdoch said the best thing that will come out of the Iraq war would be gasoline at 20 dollars a barrel.  Today, when I came here, I looked and it was 100 something dollars.  When is Rupert going to explain why the war didn`t give us 20 dollars a barrel oil.

    BARRY:  How many times do you want me to invited you to come on to our program and talk about it?

    MOYERS:  The last time you ambushed me, I asked you when was Bill going to talk to us about his sex scandal.

    BARRY:  I don`t know what you`re talking about.  I have no idea what you`re talking about.

    MOYERS:  We`re taping this.  So, for the first time since Fox News has ambushed me, we`re going to be able to judge your editing against what these people are saying.  I promise you live and without any editing, Porter, come on my show.  Let`s look at what you put on your air.  Your mind was made up before you came out here.

    It's not the folks who refused to make their energy plans public, derided conservation as essentially a 'feel-good' approach with no benefits, and want the continuation of subsidies to the their buddies in the Oil department, no, it just seems that way because of those fiendish environmentalist-anti-American-tree-and-terrorist-hugging-
    leftists.

    GILAB GEW      glob fly (n) a tiny Klingon insect that makes a loud buzzing sound but has no stinger. Proverb e.g.: GILAB GEWMEY TIBUSQO' - PAY NO hEEd TO gLOB fLiEs (WhiC MEANs, 'DON'T PAY ATTENTiON TO iNsigNificANT ThiFs').

    Link

    With Barack Obama's recent victory in North Carolina, and his virtual tie in Indiana's primary, it is time for me to get off the fence.  Having traveled back in time to the era in which the Star Trek television set of series aired, which is a remarkably frequent occurrence given the impracticality of time travel, I, Lieutenant Worf, from television's Star Trek-The Next Generation and Star Trek-Deep Space Nine, am now ready to declare who I support in the 2008 Presidential Campaign.  I announce today my endorsement for Senator Barack Obama (D.-Ill.) and urge you to vote for him in the fall.

    You may ask what about Senator Obama speaks to me, and causes me to endorse at this time.  Is it biography?  Surely, I am moved by the story of his humble origins, his absent Kenyan father, his mother working to make ends meet, and growing up without his father in an environment where his racial identity was unclear.  After all, I, Lieutenant Worf, am a Klingon by birth, but raised by Caucasian humans, the Rozhenkos, on the farm world of Gault.  So I know a little bit about absent fathers, and being a dark-skinned man, looked upon as an alien in a white world.
    ....................

    Speaking of diversity, you may have noticed that in Starfleet, Caucasian humans are still in charge of most spaceships, for no evident reason.  Yet just as twenty-fourth century humans began to move beyond that narrowness by placing Captain Benjamin Sisko in charge of Deep Space Nine, and Captain Elizabeth Janeway in command of Voyager, so are you finally learning in your primitive century that women and nonCaucasians can rule your societies.  Good for you.

    National Security

    How many senior citizens this winter will have to choose between heat and drugs needed to keep them alive?

    I don't know, how many would saved money if the Medicare Prescription benefit program wasn't designed to benefit the American taxpayer least of all?

    Have you stopped beating your pet rock yet?

    I don't recall your concern for the elderly before the recent run up gas prices when you posted here in the past.

    If this is a heartfelt conversion because of your concern towards your demographic age mates and not because you yourself have had to tighten your belt as many of us here have lately, then I hope that these baby steps towards rationality and sanity continue.

    30

    [ Parent ]

    Jeralyn, I know you from the (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:43:03 PM EST
    O.J. days and subsequent cases on MSNBC. I always was very taken with your delivery and willingness to fight your opposition on those shows. So I know, now, where to come to get legal info on ongoing cases. I, too, don't have much to say on these cases, but I like reading them.

    Great to know (5.00 / 0) (#55)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:53:37 PM EST
    that people read the crime posts. It really is my primary interest and while I will keep writing about the election as well, it means a lot to know they are read, even if they don't generate comments.

    I read them but try to restrain myself (none / 0) (#56)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:55:06 PM EST
    from commenting.  Prosecutorial bias of something.

    [ Parent ]
    I think of you and Jeralyn as the odd couple. (5.00 / 0) (#59)
    by Teresa on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:02:06 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I'd wager (none / 0) (#65)
    by Asa Dotzler on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:16:53 PM EST
    I'd wager that 90+% of your pre-2008 readership reads and prefers the crime posts.

    [ Parent ]
    hear hear (none / 0) (#72)
    by progrocks on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:37:05 AM EST
    today was the best day here in months

    [ Parent ]
    Apropos of I'm not sure what, but (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:10:11 PM EST
    we seem to have turned two threads in a row into open threads.  

    Power to the people!  The commenters are revolting!

    <yes, I know that sentence has a double meaning :-)>

    I think it means (5.00 / 0) (#68)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:45:06 PM EST
    we're all exhausted and drained. I know I am.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, definitely. I need time (none / 0) (#71)
    by Cream City on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 12:06:49 AM EST
    in my garden, but it has been storming nonstop for two days, as if the heavens were thundering their disapproval of human events.  At least we haven't lost electricity, so I haven't lost TalkLeft, too.:-)  

    But a lot of loss with which to deal these days.  Take care of yourself, as you have taken care of us -- and TL Kid, embarking on his career.  Turning points abound around us, and exhausting, that can be.

    [ Parent ]

    Good News (none / 0) (#1)
    by squeaky on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:56:47 PM EST


    You guys have a great RSS feed (none / 0) (#6)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:01:29 PM EST
    It's fast and gives you the whole text, which is very useful for emailing a posting--and I do that often.

    Are you sure the emails (none / 0) (#8)
    by ChuckieTomato on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:04:56 PM EST
    weren't from Obama supporters?

    Actually (none / 0) (#12)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:08:07 PM EST
    I'd bet they are from lawyers who support Obama. Criminal defense lawyers are famous for their inability to play well with others. I'm no exception.

    [ Parent ]
    Civil litigators (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:11:44 PM EST
    on the other hand, are very civil.

    Look at me  . . .

    [ Parent ]

    OMG (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:13:29 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    What? (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:14:46 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    He means (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:15:32 PM EST
    "Don't you ever be civil!"

    [ Parent ]
    You are civil (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:27:57 PM EST
    and when you're not you have the decency to ban yourself from your own site. ;-)

    [ Parent ]
    Oh I am not (5.00 / 4) (#34)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:31:36 PM EST
    Not at all.

    And my briefs are pretty harsh too.

    This will shock you I know, but I sometimes take a condescending tone.

    [ Parent ]

    Oh Really?? (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:37:59 PM EST
    Never noticed.

    ;-)

    [ Parent ]

    When you argue in court, I assume you (5.00 / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:38:58 PM EST
    frequently say "with all due respect...."

    [ Parent ]
    I bet he says (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:55:45 PM EST
    "Briefly, Your Honor" and then talks for an hour. <smile>

    [ Parent ]
    Followed by a terse: can you not read? (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:56:51 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Yeh, but it's not like leaving the room (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:32:23 PM EST
    because he can see what we said about him while he was gone.  Sorta like this nun I had who had psychic powers, we were sure of it.  She always came back from the school office and immediately collared the transgressors who had sinned.

    Took us years to figure out that the classroom intercom could be two-way, so teachers could hear us from the office, the teachers lounge. . . .

    Also took us years to figure out that the nun wasn't really in the office.  She was in the lounge, having a smoke.  Heck, having to face a roomful of sixty-plus grade-school-aged kids (it was the baby boom, big classes), I'm surprised she wasn't smoking crack.

    [ Parent ]

    hehehehe (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:35:00 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Your mom wants you to stop practicing (none / 0) (#10)
    by jerry on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:07:38 PM EST
    Isn't it about time you took your work seriously?

    I always read these posts, too, Jeralyn. (none / 0) (#54)
    by Teresa on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:49:57 PM EST
    My older brother was an attorney in a smallish town. He did a bit of everything but he did more criminal defense cases than others. He only had one death penalty case before he passed away (at 42) and I really believe that case and one really big civil case he worked on at the same time brought on the heart attack that he died from.

    The stress was terrible in the death penalty case. The guy was caught just after he murdered someone and my brother was sure he'd get the death penalty. He obsessed over that constantly. I don't know how you all deal with that. He ended up getting life rather than death and his family was so grateful. When you know the circumstances (drugs) and the people involved, I don't see how anyone on a jury could decide to put someone to death.