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News Reports: Obama And Clinton Meeting

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are meeting tonight according to news reports.

I have nothing to add to that. I will not pretend to know what is going on beyond that. If you want to see folks pretend to know, turn on the TV.

Oh, and the Lakers are going to beat the Celtics. Too athletic for them.

Funny how they got the story wrong. NOT at Hillary's house. I love how they pretend to know anything/

It's become sort of an Open Thread.

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    Hillary, just say NO !! (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Mrwirez on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:24:51 PM EST
    I hope she won't offer to be VP and she won't Change her mind.

    PS. new website up and running
    http://clintondems.com/

    Just say hell no (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by reslez on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:54:36 PM EST
    If she accepts it will just give the 'bots another thing to complain about.  Sit this one out, sister.  I'll catch you in 2012!

    And I'll keep this world from draggin' me down
    Gonna stand my ground

    In a world that keeps on pushin' me around
    But I'll stand my ground

    [ Parent ]

    magnanimous... (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:26:06 PM EST
    that's one word for it.

    "unitas" is a misnomer. (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:32:23 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    How about Dividus..... (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:36:23 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Johhnu U? (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:36:33 PM EST
    Black hightops?

    Hmmmm. How many of you old people know what I am talking about.

    [ Parent ]

    My first thought, too (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:39:20 PM EST
    So I'm old.  So what?  Watch out, or I'll run over ya with my walker.

    [ Parent ]
    Heh (none / 0) (#41)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:40:34 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Of course (none / 0) (#42)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:41:01 PM EST
    you are from TitleTown country.

    [ Parent ]
    Aha, I nearly wrote that (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:52:40 PM EST
    in Packerland, we learn the name of every football player before we drink our first sip of beer.  That, of course, is around the age of six.

    And I met many Packer greats.  My dad was a sportswriter for some years, a sibling was a waterboy, but still -- we all got to do so.  Pro players were regular people then, so we would see 'em at shopping malls, restaurants, etc.  And in those days, they loved to give autographs to kids.  For free, not like players on our pro teams do today.  Speaking of other sports' greats, we all also got to meet a lot of the '57 Braves, our World Series-winning team.  To suggest the difference from today, to show how they lived among us mere mortals then, one of my brothers had Warren Spahn for a Little League coach.  And Spahnie loved it.

    For a little trek down memory lane, here's a link to the state historical society's exhibit last year for the 50th anniversary of our World Series year.  

    Those were the days, my friend.  We thought they'd never end.

    [ Parent ]

    Have you, perchance read (none / 0) (#124)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:00:33 PM EST
    John Irving's The Fourth Hand?

    Segue is the Packers.

    [ Parent ]

    Whaa? I missed a John Irving book?! (none / 0) (#139)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:09:43 PM EST
    It's going on my summer reading list right away.

    Clearly, I have spent 'way too much time worrying about politics and the reality of the state of the country.  It's to get back to some great fiction.

    And always fun to read fictionalized accounts of my corner of the country.  Some are horrendously off, giving us Fargo accents or something.  But Irving?  A flawless writer.  Thanks.

    [ Parent ]

    Its a good read, although somewhat (none / 0) (#145)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:15:05 PM EST
    weird.  

    [ Parent ]
    "Old" people? (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:38:25 PM EST
    BTW:  any prediction on Mets/Padres game tonight?   Pelfrey is pitching for the Mets.

    [ Parent ]
    Heh... (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:49:13 PM EST
    I'm a Mariner fan, so cry me a freaking river.  LOL

    Jackson

    [ Parent ]

    Go Mariners :) (none / 0) (#108)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:56:57 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I have not watched a baseball game this season (none / 0) (#45)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:41:38 PM EST
    My Yanks stink.

    [ Parent ]
    We can both agree on that. So sad. (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:43:04 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Are they at 500? (none / 0) (#64)
    by nycstray on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:46:59 PM EST
    Obviously I haven't been paying enough attention either.

    Black high tops rock  ;)

    [ Parent ]

    Booo, hisss (none / 0) (#65)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:47:10 PM EST
    All I know about baseball is that I'm from a National League family.

    [ Parent ]
    My Cubbies are in rare good form. (none / 0) (#178)
    by caseyOR on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:29:51 PM EST
    Maybe this year they'll go all the way. It's only ben 100 years.

    [ Parent ]
    I have great admiration for the Cubbies (none / 0) (#196)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:44:32 PM EST
    batting order.  Awesome.

    [ Parent ]
    Cubs so good this year (none / 0) (#207)
    by caseyOR on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:49:41 PM EST
    My guys are doing such a good job. I'll be holding my breath and hoping they get through August without collapsing. That is their traditional meltdown month.

    For now, though, Cubbies are the best team in the league. WooHoo!!

    [ Parent ]

    Go Cubs! (none / 0) (#217)
    by phat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:54:29 PM EST
    That is all.

    [ Parent ]
    Heh... (none / 0) (#58)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:45:34 PM EST
    I was born in'70, and I know.  I loved how Sabol admitted on NFL films that they edited the highlights from that game in order to make it appear that it was closer than it was.

    I LOVE football, it's a good diversion from my usual reading of the "Communist Manifesto" by the light of burning US flags.  Hell, I am a Liberal after all.  SNARK

    Jackson

    [ Parent ]

    #19 (none / 0) (#119)
    by AmyinSC on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:58:55 PM EST
    Back when the Colts were in BALTIMORE...

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah, baby - those were the days! (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:15:52 PM EST
    Still makes my heart hurt a little when I think about all the Colts history being hijacked to Indianapolis in the middle of the night...

    Yeah, I know Art Modell left Cleveland, but at least Cleveland still has the Browns name and the history.

    It was Colts football that I grew up on, watching on TV and going to the old Memorial Stadium with my dad; I think that's where I learned how to swear!

    When I met my husband, our second date was watching a Monday night game at this house - he had the idea that he was going to impress me with his football knowledge.  He confessed some months later that 5 minutes into the game he knew I knew more about football than he ever would - but it knocked his socks off that I did!

    [ Parent ]

    yeh think? ;-P (none / 0) (#19)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:34:07 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I prefer (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by cawaltz on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:26:30 PM EST
    to leave the delusional pundits to those with stronger stomachs and evener dispositions. Watching the punditocracy just annoys me and the day wastoo pretty to end it by being aggravated. :)

    BTD thanks for keeping us up to date (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Valhalla on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:28:14 PM EST
    It's too much for me to have to listen to even 3 seconds of their bloviating.

    I will say BTD (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Mrwirez on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:30:46 PM EST
    is a very smart Obama supporter. He sees the light, the bashing of Hillary by the Obama surrogates is dumb-dumb-dumb. BTD you have often been critical of Obama's team when necessary also. Good man....

    nah (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by sociallybanned on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:31:25 PM EST
    I think it's very generous of her to allow this meeting to take place. Like Jeralyn said ,(paraphrasing and correct me if I'm wrong), he will benefit her as a VP to help him get elected.

    I'm wondering what she'll offer Obama (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:39:04 PM EST
    to drink:  tea and cookies, beer, single malt?

    [ Parent ]
    Bourbon. ;) (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by masslib on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:40:09 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    spiking the drink (none / 0) (#47)
    by sociallybanned on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:42:42 PM EST
    I think she should spike his drink , Call Spitzer and get his high priced hooker over there and start the flikr.  :)  Sorry the Gamay (orange zesty flavor) is getting to me and I had a rough week along with you all.  

    [ Parent ]
    Major Garrett just reported that (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:31:37 PM EST
    they are meeting at Diane Feinstein's house which is just a couple of miles from Hillary's.

    Feinstein has a house in NY state? The CA senator? (none / 0) (#25)
    by jawbone on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:36:18 PM EST
    Huh?

    [ Parent ]
    DC. (none / 0) (#30)
    by masslib on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:37:30 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    No - DC! (none / 0) (#32)
    by nulee on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:37:49 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    They are in DC (none / 0) (#33)
    by americanincanada on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:37:53 PM EST
    They are talking about both Senator's DC homes.

    [ Parent ]
    Thanks--I hadn't looked at the TV, just heard he (none / 0) (#51)
    by jawbone on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:43:38 PM EST
    was going to her house.

    [ Parent ]
    in DC, Georgetown area (none / 0) (#63)
    by ecoast on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:46:51 PM EST
    DiFi's house is a couple of houses away from Hillary's.

    [ Parent ]
    Walking distance from where I sit (5.00 / 3) (#87)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:51:29 PM EST
    And to think, I didn't get an invite! Harrumph!

    [ Parent ]
    You could have been our live- (5.00 / 3) (#126)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:03:14 PM EST
    blogger hanging out in the street spongeing off someboday's unencripted wireless network.

    [ Parent ]
    Feinstein's house in SF (none / 0) (#120)
    by samtaylor2 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:59:30 PM EST
    Is so beautiful.  Just thought I would add that.  

    [ Parent ]
    Who the heck is Major Garrett? (none / 0) (#150)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:16:06 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Apparently the FOX congressional (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by chrisblask on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:21:27 PM EST
    reporter.

    News to me as well.  Guess I haven't been watching my FOX...

    [ Parent ]

    Never thought I'd be watching (5.00 / 2) (#175)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:27:46 PM EST
    Fox, but if I want almost fair and balanced, it gives me good information. Only watch Britt Hume, Greta, sometimes Billo. Who would have thought, certainly not me.

    [ Parent ]
    Consume it all, make your own choices... (none / 0) (#191)
    by chrisblask on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:41:09 PM EST
    Nothing better than listening to all sides.  Your own side gets too self-reinforcing ("dittoheads", god save me...).  Hannity was great yesterday, couldn't finish a single Obama-slam without launching into a Woe Is Me the GOP Is Doomed rant...  :~)

    [ Parent ]
    Former CNN reporter, (none / 0) (#159)
    by kmblue on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:19:27 PM EST
    now with Fox.  Weird name.

    [ Parent ]
    Like those Bullwinkle names (none / 0) (#170)
    by chrisblask on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:24:45 PM EST
    Major Minor, General Specific...

    or am I mixing my cartoon metaphors...?

    [ Parent ]

    Major Major was my favorite (5.00 / 2) (#197)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:44:32 PM EST
    from the novel Catch-22.

    But the squirrel and the moose, yeh, can't be beat.  I have several Rocky & Bullwinkle tapes.  Can't see those Fractured Fairy Tales too many times.

    Oops, I said "fairy tale."  I'm a racist.  Well, then, so were Rocky, Bullwinkle, Boris, and Natasha.

    [ Parent ]

    DiFi (none / 0) (#181)
    by dws3665 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:33:14 PM EST
    is playing the role of Penelope Pitstop, speaking of mixed cartoon metaphors.

    [ Parent ]
    This is fun! (none / 0) (#188)
    by chrisblask on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:38:02 PM EST
    OK, then Cheney is Dick Dasterdly and Bush is Mutley.  McCain I picture as Barney Rubble a couple decades after the show got cancelled...

    [ Parent ]
    I had a boss who looked (5.00 / 4) (#201)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:47:18 PM EST
    exactly like Fred Flintstone right down to the hairdo. One day I had to get a hold of him at a restaurant. So I called and the person answering said the place was really busy and she couldn't guarantee finding him. I told her he looked like Ol' Fred and immediately she said, oh I see him. We never told him. I wonder if he knew.

    [ Parent ]
    Fox News reporter... (none / 0) (#161)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:20:15 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    If it's true they are meeting, well good!  I am a Hillary supporter.  Bill's enthusiasm lead me to register as a Dem when he first ran (was Indy before) and this campaign has lead me to change back to Indy as a form of protest.

    However, I will vote for Obama if he can convince me.  It won't be easy, but I am open to see how it goes.  This meeting would be a good first step - at least he is listening to her...

    Listening to her? (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by A little night musing on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:44:07 PM EST
    I hope he is, and makes that evident.

    Listening hasn't seemed to be his strong suit.

    But evidence he was really taking her seriously would go a long way toward fixing what he's broken.

    [ Parent ]

    Listening (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by bjorn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:45:32 PM EST
    I think this is why Clinton won the coalition she did, she listened.  She is a great listener.  I hope he can take on that trait.

    [ Parent ]
    I bet (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Andy08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:34:04 PM EST
    he will ask her to be at her event Saturday to curry grace with her supporters... Trying to bask on her glow won't be enough to erase I'm afraid....

    I don't want him (5.00 / 5) (#23)
    by americanincanada on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:35:39 PM EST
    at that event. PERIOD.

    [ Parent ]
    Thought also crossed my mind. (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:40:10 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I think it's a terrible idea (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by reynwrap582 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:48:07 PM EST
    for him to be at that event.  That would absolutely rub me the wrong way.  It needs to be an event for Hillary and her supporters.  Obama can steal Hillary's light in another event his campaign sets up on their own.

    [ Parent ]
    It occurred to me (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by sander60tx on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:58:32 PM EST
    that she already had an event for her supporters on Tues. evening.  It might be fitting for him to show up at that event at some point.  But maybe it's too soon for that.

    [ Parent ]
    He has no place intruding on her event (5.00 / 3) (#143)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:14:46 PM EST
    This is a gathering of her supporters. Tell me how he could possibly be a welcome face in that. All he would want to do is gloat.

    Besides, he has a family and close friends in Chicago he needs to be with on weekends.

    I'm loving how the pundits are all running at the mouth just speculating out loud over tonight's meeting. Geez, they got the location wrong, my guess is they aren't even close to right on their ideas for what was being discussed.

    Since it was on neutral ground, what if one or both sides was thinking it was not necessary going to be a friendly meeting?


    [ Parent ]

    I agree with all above (5.00 / 2) (#186)
    by Andy08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:37:24 PM EST
    I don't want him there at all.

    [ Parent ]
    I don't think he should be there (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by chrisblask on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:58:34 PM EST
    But I think Gloria Steinem should be there.  She has good things to say about both and is the right kind of person to start the healing.

    [ Parent ]
    Healing? (5.00 / 8) (#132)
    by Davidson on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:04:22 PM EST
    Are you kidding me?  Bigotry, disenfranchisement, corruption, and vote theft are not something to ever be united with.

    [ Parent ]
    Ms. Steinem can get over it, and (none / 0) (#157)
    by chrisblask on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:18:50 PM EST
    I know I can so I bet more people can as well.  Gloria knows a thing or two about misogyny, her opinion may be worth considering.

    [ Parent ]
    You combat it, not "get over it" (5.00 / 4) (#171)
    by Davidson on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:26:12 PM EST
    If you legitimize it, you entrench the hatred even further.  I will not.  You will (And yes, Steinem, would as well if she votes for Obama and his campaign of intolerance and hate).

    But it won't matter: Obama will lose--badly.  He's too weak of a candidate.

    [ Parent ]

    I have (5.00 / 2) (#189)
    by Andy08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:38:58 PM EST
    the same position as you actually. It is a terrible precedent not to be rewarded, vindicated or forgotten.

    [ Parent ]
    You have to assume the Other is Evil (none / 0) (#195)
    by chrisblask on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:44:23 PM EST
    if you are to shun them for life.  I generally don't believe that.  Just the Christian upbringing, I guess (the only part that took).  Don't buy the idea that any Dem candidate is a sexist/racist anyway.

    Nerf guns, anyone?

    [ Parent ]

    Don't get all worked up...... (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by HsLdyAngl on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:28:05 PM EST
    About Obama stealing Hillary's limelight on Saturday.  His campaign put out the notice that Obama is looking forward to going back to Chicago over the weekend to spend time with his family; to have a "date" with his wife; to do some bicyling with his daughters.

    Obama fully realizes that Saturday is for Hillary and her supporters.  

    [ Parent ]

    Great Line... (5.00 / 0) (#21)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:35:04 PM EST
    That was a greal line at the end BTD.

    I have a feeling Sat. will be a joint appearance now, and VP becomes an attainable goal for her should she want it.  If she is on, I'll vote for him, if not, the chances drop pretty quickly.

    I know Majority Leader has been deemed impossible, but if Barack and his Senate supporters want to win the GE (and I know they don't necessarily care about the GE, they just want to destroy the Clintons) they'll swallow their pride, just like her supporters have to do and do what's right.  If she becomes ML due to his help as a thank you for her support, he'll have my vote then too.

    If this defecation on HRC and on her supporters, then screw them in Hell.  My thoughts at least.

    Jackson

    I hope to god he doesn't (5.00 / 6) (#28)
    by americanincanada on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:37:24 PM EST
    want to be at that event. He should not be there. But I will trust her to make the right decision.

    I have a feeling if he is there it will only serve to enrage her supporters even more, me included, because he will just once again be trying to share her moment, her spotlight.

    [ Parent ]

    Good point... (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:41:21 PM EST
    Good point AIC, I didn't consider it from that angle.  If it were to be the case, it would not be a surprise, they would leak it out to psychologically prepare us.

    I honestly don't think he can win, and maybe the Party should fall apart, but I know once someone says "We had to burn down the Village in order to save it" then we are FUBAR for sure.

    If the disrespect continues without him trying to stop it, then he is f*cked.  IMHO

    Jackson

    [ Parent ]

    The other thread was closed when you posted (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by Teresa on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:50:20 PM EST
    about Anderson Cooper last night. I saw that..can you believe how dumb he came off? Does he not realize that winning the GE is different than the primary?

    For anyone who didn't see it, Anderson asked why the winner would need to care what the other person or her supporters would want. He said after someone wins the Presidency, they don't ask the loser what they and their supporters want.

    [ Parent ]

    you are kidding, right? (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by bjorn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:52:34 PM EST
    I thought he was smarter than that....

    [ Parent ]
    Eh, I've never found Cooper (5.00 / 3) (#104)
    by liminal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:55:32 PM EST
    to be a very bright guy.  Didn't he start off as the host of some reality show?  Am I crazy for thinking that?

    [ Parent ]
    When your mother is Gloria Vanderbilt (none / 0) (#214)
    by denise k on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:52:29 PM EST
    you don't have to be smart.

    [ Parent ]
    No... (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:57:16 PM EST
    he actually asked that, and I reamed him a little in an earlier post.  Thanks for noticing that, I should have waited for a more open thread.  LOL

    Jackson

    [ Parent ]

    Jeez (5.00 / 3) (#100)
    by RalphB on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:54:29 PM EST
    well unfortunately that's the state of political commentary in the US today.  These guys are clueless.

    [ Parent ]
    I nearly fell off the bed. You had to hear him (5.00 / 2) (#135)
    by Teresa on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:05:48 PM EST
    to know that he really was that clueless. Is this the first time some of these people have covered politics?

    Of course, on the same panel, a woman from The Center for Advancement of Women said the reason Hillary won South Dakota was it was the kind of demographics she wins! I thought, what about the rest of those states out there. Ever hear of a caucus vs a primary?

    [ Parent ]

    oops... (none / 0) (#31)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:37:45 PM EST
    put "continues" after supporters in the last paragraph.

    Jackson


    [ Parent ]

    Celtics will win. They are the team (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by masslib on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:35:55 PM EST
    we've been waiting for.  We believers here!

    I prefer So You Think you Can Dance (none / 0) (#36)
    by bjorn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:39:12 PM EST
    I think that is how we should have decided the nomination, a dance contest! Barack probably still would have won, oh well.

    [ Parent ]
    Stanley Cup: Pens (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by sociallybanned on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:49:03 PM EST
    I prefer to be anxious to see another game on Sat between my team (who lost) and the Deadwings.  Srry, it's a good nickname that really doesn't seem fitting but UGH, they always have to have their way.

    Sidney Crosby rocks!

    [ Parent ]

    OT (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:44:38 PM EST
    But I just saw the rerun of Top Chef from last night. (My power was out from a storm...trees down...the woiks)

    They sent Antonia home?!?!?! She's a far better cook than Lisa.

    And then Lisa goes into that whole "congratulate me" thing.

    That is ridiculous...

    Lisa is the real pissy one? (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:46:42 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Yup (none / 0) (#69)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:48:09 PM EST
    And she was really nasty when she came back from judges table.

    [ Parent ]
    That she's there... (none / 0) (#80)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:50:26 PM EST
    just reinforces the really bad attitude crap.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes... (none / 0) (#70)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:48:35 PM EST
    Can't tell you the number of times the words "Grow the F*$& Up" have whipped through my brain whenever she stands there with her crossed arms and her "I'm better than all y'all" attitude.

    [ Parent ]
    Those crossed arms is her (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:51:04 PM EST
    security blanket..she's very unsure of herself. I was rooting for Antonia also. I thought she should have stayed.She was always to consistent..but they judge on the current task.

    [ Parent ]
    Lisa: Poster child of the (none / 0) (#151)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:16:29 PM EST
    CREATIVE CLASS

    [ Parent ]
    To quote the littlest Who (none / 0) (#81)
    by liminal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:50:28 PM EST
    in Whoville, Yawp, Lisa is the pissy one.

    [ Parent ]
    Tell me. What don't you watch (none / 0) (#88)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:51:41 PM EST
    on TV?

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah (none / 0) (#106)
    by cawaltz on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:56:15 PM EST
    She almost got kicked off for her rice and said she was sabotaged. She also threw the guy who didn't use a grain under a bus. She's a real piece of work.

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    I know (none / 0) (#77)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:49:53 PM EST
    I was sad to see Antonia go.

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    She had a pretty great attitude... (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:52:07 PM EST


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    ME four. (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by liminal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:52:55 PM EST
    And of all the criticisms that the judges have offered, I found the "Why did you put all that food on that plate" to be a weird one, but it did strike me that the editors were telegraphing her exit with her numerous commentaries about how she couldn't go home.

    Sad, I wanted Steph, Antonia, and Richard in the finals.  I liked the challenge, though!

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    Her campaign financial team (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:48:50 PM EST
    He wants her fundraisers, and access to her big money contributors.

    He's not making any offers of VP, he just set up his team for vetting the people on his list.

    Remember the last time he called a "let's be nice" meeting, he got off easy on Rev Wright, and she got KO's big commentary on racism because of
    Geraldine Ferraro.

    And speaking of Rev. Wright, heeees (none / 0) (#127)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:03:22 PM EST
    baaaaak! He was supposed to be retired at 6/1. Apparently he doesn't think Rev. Moss is ready yet so he has decided to stay on for a while. HA!!

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    Omg, the memory of that "let's be nice" (none / 0) (#206)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:49:36 PM EST
    setup and what came next -- I had forgotten that switcheroo.

    I hope that Hillary is wearing a flakjacket for this meeting.  Incoming!

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    Which words? (5.00 / 11) (#86)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:51:24 PM EST
    defecation, screw or hell?

    lol (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by squeaky on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:53:23 PM EST


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    That's the hardest I've laughed in a long time. (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by Teresa on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:58:08 PM EST


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    I might...one of these days... (5.00 / 2) (#118)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:58:55 PM EST
    right now I'm still trying to figure out what it is that this whole unity thing is supposed to look like.

    And frankly, watching the fanbase attack the heck out of any who disagreed with them, I'm still not completely sure that y'all understand the meaning of the word "unity."

    Since it's now an open thread... (5.00 / 5) (#144)
    by reynwrap582 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:14:47 PM EST
    Did anyone else get the "Major policy change" email from Dean?  It wasn't that part of the email that was really the last straw for me, it was this:

    "Will you join us and make a contribution right now to help us elect Barack Obama?"

    "This is an example of the kind of White House Barack Obama would run."

    "Help Elect Barack Obama!"

    This elicited my response:
    "Last I checked, Hillary Clinton is still a candidate until she suspends her campaign on Saturday.  She received over 18 million votes, more than ANY other primary candidate in history, including Barack Obama.  Show her the respect of witholding your Obama coronation emails UNTIL she has officially suspended her campaign and endorsed Obama."

    The media may be reading the campaign obituary but this is inappropriate language in an email from the leader of the party before Hillary has taken the official steps to stand down.  Dean was obviously chomping at the bit to say those things and couldn't restrain himself.  Needless to say I informed him the DNC won't be getting any more of my money (and I normally matched my DNC contributions to my candidate contributions.  That was good for $400 directly to the DNC in '04).

    Got myself off those mailing lists (5.00 / 0) (#153)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:17:35 PM EST
    long time ago.

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    DNC (5.00 / 2) (#166)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:22:31 PM EST
    is hurting for money.  They have way less than the RNC.

    I suspect the candidates were sucking up their cash.

    And BTW, Dean who? ;-).

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    Really should have Wexler (5.00 / 2) (#177)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:28:11 PM EST
    personning the phones.

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    And (5.00 / 2) (#182)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:33:37 PM EST
    when he yelled at people on the phone he could say he was speaking truth to power.

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    I suspect (5.00 / 1) (#211)
    by americanincanada on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:51:32 PM EST
    Obama's 'base' doesn't have very deep pockets and they only want to donate to him.

    he is going to be a disaster for the DNC. Especially without the Clinton machine.

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    I got that email (5.00 / 3) (#200)
    by Democratic Cat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:46:38 PM EST
    because on Sunday I wrote to the DNC informing them that I was changing my registration from Democrat to Independent and telling them why. So, of course they put me on their mailing list--I know it's an automatic enrollment when you send an email through their website, but I also thought it was symbolic of a party that doesn't listen.


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    Calm down (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:17:49 PM EST
    Obama is the nominee.

    He is my guy.

    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:24:34 PM EST
    those of us he deemed racists for voting Hillary aren't going to get over it very quickly.

    Democratic loyalty oath (5.00 / 1) (#209)
    by FemB4dem on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:50:10 PM EST
    Since this is something of an open thread, I have a question I hope one of you can answer.  I am a longtime reader, but this is my first comment.

    I wanted to stand for election as a delegate for Hillary at my county caucus in Montana this evening, with the idea that maybe I could become a delegate to the Democratic National Convention in Denver and support Hillary through to the very end of what has been a truly eye-opening and disillusioning process.  So, I jumped through all the hoops to do so, and then gave up at the last one:  in order to stand for election I was required to sign what seems to me to be the kissing cousin of a loyalty oath.  Among other things, I had to "pledge that, if elected, I will not publicly support or campaign for any other candidate for President or Vice-President other than the nominess of the Democratic National Convention."

    Well, like many of you, I have decided I cannot support Senator Obama and may decide to publicly support Senator McCain or the candidate of another party (Bob Barr, for instance).  So, because I do not sign pledges lightly, I was prohibited from becoming a delegate for Hillary.  The more I thought about this, I realized I probably could not even have signed this if Hillary had prevailed.  Who can ever know for certain whether at some point their candidate might do something so awful they would feel duty bound to support another candidate?

    Anyway, I was wondering if any of you know whether this is a DNC requirement, or something that the Montana Democratic Party concocted? I am at heart a longtime ACLU Democrat wondering who hijacked my party.  Thanks for listening, and thanks to Jeralyn and BTD for such a great site -- it truly has been an oasis of sanity.  

    Maybe you should ask someone what their (5.00 / 1) (#210)
    by LeelaSavage on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:50:13 PM EST
    politics are before assuming anything.  You know what happens when you assume, right?  I'm a 53-year old, life-long progressive socialist who has spent my entire life fighting for progressive causes and donated a considerable amount of money and time doing so.  

    I demonstrated against the Vietnam War and was beaten many times by the police.  I have spent my own money and time in every election since 1972 - after my generation actually fought and won the right to vote for 18-year-olds in 1971 - going to places the Democrats needed help with to assist their candidate in winning elections.  I have spent countless thousands of hours on phone banks, on street corners - asking for signatures to get the ERA passed, for example, at malls, knocking on doors, bringing in voters to the polls - all in the name of advancing socially progressive issues and a sustainable earth policy in America.  

    What have you done?  

    Take that BTD (5.00 / 1) (#213)
    by GOPmurderedconscience on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:52:01 PM EST
    Go Celtics!

    Obama is not even as smart as I gave him (5.00 / 2) (#216)
    by americanincanada on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:54:17 PM EST
    limited credit for.

    Apparently he was not willing to meet with Hillary without preconditions...

    Fox News is reporting that she had to promise she wouldn't talk about the VP slot.

    But he'll meet with leaders of (5.00 / 1) (#221)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:59:59 PM EST
    foreign countries w/o conditions?

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    When worlds collide... (4.76 / 17) (#72)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:48:55 PM EST
    Would love to be a fly on the wall for that meeting...

    "Ahem.  Um.  Er.  Well..."

    "Barack.  Is there something you want to say?"

    "Mmmmm...damn!  Yes - no - I don't know..."

    "Uh. Barack, what are you looking for?"

    "Oh, nothing - I thought I saw a tele...a teleprom...damn! - a tel-e-prompter over in the corner."

    "No, Barack, those are lucite bookends - sorry.  Is there something you wanted to discuss, because I'd really like to get a nice hot shower and get into bed."

    "Oh...okay.  Well...I just wanted to say that I, I, uh, well, I don't think I can do this without you."

    "What - speak up, I can't hear you!"

    "Ahem...I. don't. think, I can, um, er, do this...without you."

    "What do you mean?  All this time, you've been carrying on about how "old politics" I am, and how I'm a '60's relic - what the heck do you need me for?"

    "Oh, Hillary - I can't say, 'me, too' anymore because you're not there to answer all the questions first and I don't know what to say!  I have a health plan, right?  Is it a good one - people keep wanting me to talk about it, and I don't know - someone on my staff wrote it and I just don't get it."

    "Well.  Interesting.  That's too...rich, I mean, too bad."

    "What do I do?  What do I say?"

    "Oh, Barack...just keep saying 'change' and 'hope' and 'unity,' - Howard Dean has my number - tell him to give me a tingle - I mean a jingle - in August; I might be able to help.  Run along now - I think Michelle wants to go to church."

    Classic! (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:54:29 PM EST
    I gave you a 5, which I hope is correct, but I don't know if they pop points mean anything here or if I can even give them to you.  Classic post.

    Jackson

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    Powerman 5000 (none / 0) (#107)
    by sociallybanned on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:56:44 PM EST


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    Donna's on CNN (4.62 / 8) (#2)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:23:48 PM EST
    pontificating...and talking as though she never said any of the things she's said over the last several months.

    I have no use for her...

    Gosh, I hope he doesn't disappoint. (3.00 / 1) (#1)
    by masslib on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:23:37 PM EST
    I hope he picks her.  

    She ought to agree to be VP (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:41:51 PM EST
    with the first guy who said she was an inspiration to his daughters.

    That would be McCain.  He said it Tuesday night, two days before Obama managed to have one of his lackeys put those "just words" up on his teleprompter.

    Now, guess which guy I believed when he said it. . . .

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    You can imagine what his daughters (5.00 / 4) (#133)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:04:25 PM EST
    have heard at the dinner table about Hillary over the past 6 months, or more.

    I'm quite sure her campaign really has changed his daughters.

    [ Parent ]

    Yeah sure! (5.00 / 2) (#198)
    by ghost2 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:45:08 PM EST
    Didn't Samantha call her a monster?

    When I read that quote, I thought just one word, G.F.Y.  

    I really don't know how Hillary does it.  Honestly, I don't.  I would yell, and just tell him where to go.  

    Now, my daughters... blah blah... what an a&^h&*e!  Remember, with all the compliments she gave him, he dissed Clinton's legacy, called her ambitious and divisive, and never once said anything good about her.

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    When McCain said, I believed he meant it. (5.00 / 3) (#134)
    by RalphB on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:04:31 PM EST


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