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Hillary Event to Be Held Saturday in D.C.

Just in from the Clinton campaign:

"Senator Clinton will be hosting an event in Washington, DC to thank her supporters and express her support for Senator Obama and party unity. This event will be held on Saturday to accommodate more of Senator Clinton's supporters who want to attend."

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    I Just Pray (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by CDN Ctzn on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:45:20 PM EST
    That all the effuse Hillary has had to wade through for the past several months will finally disperse---but somehow I doubt it!

    From Corrente: Hillary should stay in! (5.00 / 4) (#54)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:34:28 PM EST
    Great story: Hillary Clinton should Continue her Campaign. It makes the case that Hillary owes it to us (her supporters), and herself, and the country, and the party, to stay in.

    The author makes an interesting comparison between Hillary and RFK, in terms of the transformation they underwent in campaigning for their respective nominations.

    Bobby Kennedy's campaign did not change America; the people of America changed him. As with Bobby Kennedy 40 years ago, this campaign has made her a better person...

    When she talks of her responsibility to those who voted for her, it has to my ears no sound of falseness. I believe she has seen her calling, I believe she feels she has been handed a sacred trust, and I believe she will seek to carry out the mandate of that trust as fully and completely as she can. To do so, she must stay in the nomination race until it is completed - in Denver, at the end of August. To do otherwise would break the contract that binds her, and will devalue in an irreparable way her own sense of self.

    The rest of the story is also thoroughly compelling, and encouraging, imo.

    [ Parent ]

    I'm crossing my fingers (5.00 / 7) (#6)
    by eleanora on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:48:13 PM EST
    that she just suspends and keeps her delegates. Even if the nomination fight is over, which I don't accept yet, we need to be heard at the convention. I'm very discouraged about the Democratic Party as a whole after their travesty of a decision on MI. I was so sure they'd do the right thing and count according to the vote or not at all.

    From what I have read, she is holding onto (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:25:49 PM EST
    her delegates.  She can watch the GOP bruise and batter obama from a ringside seat.  I suspect she will be looking alot better than obama by the convention.

    [ Parent ]
    That's suspension (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:56:56 PM EST
    She will keep her delegates, and for a very good reason.

    McCain is trying to get 10 debates/townhalls through the summer. The DNC needs to be pressured to make him participate. As it stands, he's not accepting.

    Enough bad press and the supers are going to have to get their souls back and make sure the nominee is someone who has a decent chance of winning.


    [ Parent ]

    I can't imagine letting him debate. (5.00 / 0) (#78)
    by zfran on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:02:38 PM EST
    He'll need Hillary to help him prepare...oops, wait, he doesn't want her anywhere near him.My money's on there will be no debate and they'll use the excuse that he's not the full nominee yet.

    [ Parent ]
    That will make him (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by americanincanada on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:16:44 PM EST
    look unacceptably weak, IMHO.

    [ Parent ]
    Why give McCain free press? (none / 0) (#126)
    by Phoenix Rising on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:20:54 AM EST
    Let McCain flounder for the 10 weeks between now and the Convention.  Then start with the town halls and the debates, once the General Election financial season has started.

    [ Parent ]
    Interesting. Sounds good. (none / 0) (#66)
    by talex on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:45:55 PM EST
    Where did you read this? I'd like to give it a read myself.

    [ Parent ]
    Concede v Suspend (none / 0) (#24)
    by jbradshaw4hillary on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:07:16 PM EST
    I hate to sound stupid, but what is the difference at this point.  If she suspends does that mean she is still a candidate, versus conceding where she takes her candidcy out of play or what?  
    again sorry to sound stupid.  and sorry for the spelling

    [ Parent ]
    It means her delegates (5.00 / 5) (#28)
    by masslib on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:11:25 PM EST
    still get to vote for her at convention.  It's very important they do.  I pray the Democratic establishment and Obama realize that.

    [ Parent ]
    So does that mean (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by jbradshaw4hillary on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:15:02 PM EST
    that if say obama weakened for whatever reason or if she some how becomes stronger, or if she is able to pull of a major endorsement or her popular vote lead gains traction that she could still decide to fight at the convention for the nomination.  so if I am understanding this it would mean that it is like saying okay it looks like you will win, but i am not quite convinced so I am leave myself some option that could still allow me to become the nominee

    [ Parent ]
    Candy Crowly mention just that (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by andgarden on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:17:03 PM EST
    this afternoon.

    [ Parent ]
    VP and concede (none / 0) (#166)
    by laurie on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 04:47:07 PM EST
    If she accepts VP does that mean she concedes, or is it still a suspension??

    [ Parent ]
    Concede means quit, (none / 0) (#31)
    by eleanora on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:13:59 PM EST
    IMO, that she releases her delegates to Obama and gets out of the race entirely. Suspend means she and her staff can take a nice vacation and go refreshed to the convention with her delegates intact. No expert though, so maybe someone who knows more can answer better :)

    [ Parent ]
    Can I ask... (none / 0) (#25)
    by anydemwilldo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:08:35 PM EST
    I know this sounds like trolling, but it's really a sincere question:

    What message, specifically, do you want Obama to hear?  What positions do you want him to take?  I mean, I absolutely agree that your concerns should be heard.  I'm just not sure exactly what they are, honestly.

    [ Parent ]

    I would like him to adopt (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by bjorn on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:10:02 PM EST
    Clinton's UHC and I would like him to put her on the ticket.  He also needs to pick up her populist economic message, more problem solving less hope/change.

    [ Parent ]
    She's better off where she is in the Senate (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:16:30 PM EST
    and he needs to show that judgment he's selling and come up with a UHC plan that works and includes everyone. If he's going to take hers, why wouldn't we just insist she be the presidential nominee?

    No free rides for Obama.

    [ Parent ]

    I wonder just what pull she'll have (none / 0) (#80)
    by zfran on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:04:54 PM EST
    in the senate. They may shun her Harry Reid has already said no majority leader for her.

    [ Parent ]
    As a former Edwards supporter (none / 0) (#128)
    by Phoenix Rising on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:26:01 AM EST
    I am hopeful.  Obama and Edwards are doing a poverty tour, and I'm sure Edwards will give Obama whatever blunt advice he thinks Obama needs along the way.

    I think Hillary has more power outside of the VP slot than in it, but he'd be dumb not to listen to her own preference as to how she can have influence.

    I think both Clinton's and Obama's UHC need "help", but agree that Clinton's is marginally better.

    [ Parent ]

    andydemwilldo, your question is more like (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:16:29 PM EST
    an assignment: the answer would require a thesis. I'd suggest you scroll back through the past few weeks posts here at TL, read a few stories and comments, that'll get you up to speed, somewhat.

    I don't mean to suggest this unkindly.

    [ Parent ]

    The Democratic Party (5.00 / 4) (#46)
    by eleanora on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:25:32 PM EST
    is my major concern here, been an active member my whole life and never voted for a Republican. When I was a kid in the 80's, we all got really excited when our local Dem party got access to a letter-sized automatic folding machine, because the kids stuffed mailers, nailed signs to stakes, and ran around doing GOTV with their families. We're Democrats born and raised, and we need to have a voice in what direction our party goes.

    That Democratic Party was about the people, about counting our votes, and about standing up for social justice and civil rights. That Party would never have officially authorized one Dem candidate gaming the system to take votes away from another candidate. This isn't so much about Obama, his job is to get the nom as best he can, but more about the Party itself throwing the race his way by discounting voters. I still have hopes that the convention won't accept the MI compromise, even if it has no effect whatsoever on the nomination. The MI decision is a dealbreaker for many lifelong Dems.

    [ Parent ]

    I completely agree (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by jbradshaw4hillary on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:42:56 PM EST
    I think that we must stay in the party and fight for it.  so to paraphase THIS IS OUR PARTY. THIS IS OUR PARTY.

    [ Parent ]
    It's hard to fight a party who says (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by zfran on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:06:53 PM EST
    based on your age, sex, income, color we don't want you anymore. We can win w/o you. So, some of us will walk away, not necessarily vote for McCain, but we'll not vote Obama. My country deserves more imo.

    [ Parent ]
    I do not mean (none / 0) (#85)
    by jbradshaw4hillary on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:13:18 PM EST
    to fight to help Obama, but rather fight Obama for control of the Party.  He will become the head of the party, but we can still control the party by getting more involved in the inner workings of the party.  Work to elect dnc members who work for us.  work to take control of state parties. we start by taking control of county parties, and in some cases city parties, not sure if there is such a thing, I live in montana. so not sure about large cities.

    [ Parent ]
    What do you want? (none / 0) (#130)
    by Phoenix Rising on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:30:59 AM EST
    I just took control of my county party in 2005, and am a definite Deaniac.  I helped take over the Colorado Democratic Party in 2007 from a leadership that had forgotten its roots in party-building and candidate nurturing.  Obama is a supporter of the 50-state strategy and the grassroots; I have less of a problem with his ascension to the party leadership than I would have had with Clinton's re-installation of Terry McAuliffe.

    [ Parent ]
    Well of course... (none / 0) (#142)
    by Y Knot on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:12:16 AM EST
    That all depends on Clinton.  If she gracefully bows out, and supports him until the convention, there would be no reason for the MI compromise to stand.  

    They'd be much more likely to just seat them with half votes, give Clinton hers and let the uncommitted ones remain uncommitted.

    Of course, if she shows signs that she's going to try to overturn the nomination on the floor, I don't see much chance of that compromise changing.

    And for the record, I don't say this with any particular agenda.  I think the FL agreement was as good as we could have hoped for, but the MI agreement was a travesty, and I'm an Obama supporter.  I'm just saying what I think would happen... not what I'd want to happen.

    [ Parent ]

    That's unacceptable to me (none / 0) (#164)
    by eleanora on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:21:34 PM EST
    and to every longtime Dem I know, no matter who they supported. "Give" Clinton hers? Those are not their votes to give. I'm fine with the 50% count, as long as they are counted as voted and not changed to the way the party wishes the voters had gone.

    Total dealbreaker. He needs to come up with the pledged delegates another way to win, has nothing to do with her conceding "gracefully." This isn't about Clinton or Obama, this is about the party stealing legal votes legally cast in a legal election. Democrats. don't. do. that.

    [ Parent ]

    The Dem Party had to do what they did. (none / 0) (#110)
    by BestinShow on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:02:34 AM EST
    With race this close, Obama had to be the winner. The Dem Party could not risk pissin' off/losing the African America community. IMO



    [ Parent ]

    I can't believe she is dropping out (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by melro on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:49:40 PM EST
    because I just copied a post on No Quarter that the final tally was in and explained that pledged delegates are all that count right now and neither Obama nor Clinton had enough. Obama had 1766.5 and Clinton 1639.5. Superdelegates do not count as they do not cast their votes until August. They can side with whoever they want now and it does not matter. Even Lou Dobbs said it was no where near over until the convention.

    There is something funny about her conceding.  

    She's not conceding (5.00 / 7) (#16)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:57:20 PM EST
    The difference between superdelegates and pledged delegates has been addressed over and over and over and over. Jeralyn writes it in her posts, and commenters are talking about it all the time.

    The media is trying its level best to write the news, not report it. It's better for ratings, apparently.


    [ Parent ]

    She'll be on MY ballot, one way or another (none / 0) (#69)
    by Ellie on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:50:34 PM EST
    The Dems behaved disgracefully. Regardless of the media spree, I don't like their imposition of hobbles and false weights in this race.

    Bush wasn't my president in 2000.

    Obama didn't earn his spot on the ticket, but he won't make it to the White House so he won't be my president either.

    [ Parent ]

    She isn't conceding...she is suspending.... (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:29:52 PM EST
    And I mentioned that before...it is pledge delegates that count toward the magic number, not SD's....he just chose to crown himself king of the hill...

    [ Parent ]
    Absolutely Amazing (none / 0) (#165)
    by melro on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 04:35:42 PM EST
    What I can't understand is that all the young, college students went for Obama because he embraced change. Did anyone tell them, change is up to them and they picked the man that is willing to steal delegates from Hillary, and go along with lopsided justice against mainstream America, and announce himself the king?

    Boy are we skipping a heck of a lot of processes. The Bush/Cheney regime has rubbed off on all of us, although they basically skip over the whole constitution.

    I thought the same thing as what Ann Coulter, (who I hate, is obnoxious, etc.), has recently written about. When Gore lost but had the popular vote Democrats were really angry. Now Hillary loses even though she has the popular vote within her own party and it's OK.

    The Dems are the party of concessions, and we always lose because of it.

    [ Parent ]

    I think... (5.00 / 5) (#8)
    by p lukasiak on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:49:41 PM EST
    she is going to release her super-delegates, and that is about it.  She's going to talk about how much pressure they are under, and tell them that they are free to endorse Obama, but that she is not conceding.

    Close (5.00 / 0) (#41)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:20:42 PM EST
    I think she will allow them to choose. If they feel they can't wait until convention to make their choice known, she won't hold them to the endorsement they gave her, but she'll ask them to come back if something comes up to suggest the party needs to rethink Obama.

    However, what's the point? As long as he is sitting where the media and he think he's got this etched in stone, why bother?

    I'll bet a large majority will stay with her.

    [ Parent ]

    My understanding (none / 0) (#56)
    by sander60tx on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:35:52 PM EST
    is that the superdelegates are free to change their mind whenever they like.  So, they're not hers to "release."  Several have switched from one candidate to another (and even back again).  I think we've already seen some SD's shifting from Clinton to Obama in a show of unity.  However, if Obama has been beaten to a pulp by August, then the SD's are still free to change their mind.  The republicans will likely save their best ammo for after the convention, however.

    [ Parent ]
    And, you're exactly right (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:50:41 PM EST
    However, Rendell said tonight that he wouldn't change without her suspending. I'm pretty sure that Hillary's superdelegates are as committed as her supporters. They are genuinely with her and see no reason to hitch their pony to a wagon missing all four wheels.

    The ones that do are clearly only doing it for the publicity.

    [ Parent ]

    that's the whole point... (none / 0) (#76)
    by p lukasiak on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:57:14 PM EST
    the idea being that they are free to do what is politicially expedient now, then come back to her when the time is right.  

    It allows for a "show of party unity", while making it far easier for them to change their minds again in the future

    [ Parent ]

    Hopefully (none / 0) (#12)
    by melro on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:51:49 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    She better... (none / 0) (#59)
    by p lukasiak on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:40:28 PM EST
    because I just sent her $100 last night to make it possible for her to continue -- NOT to help her retire her campaign debt...and in my message I said I could not support Obama.  So if she endorses Obama on Saturday, I'm asking for a refund! ;-)

    [ Parent ]
    Let us know how that works out for you. :) (none / 0) (#143)
    by Y Knot on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:14:55 AM EST
    n/t

    [ Parent ]
    Super-delegates are not "released" (none / 0) (#125)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:18:12 AM EST
    as they are not pledged.  Supers can switch at will, as some of the ingrates certainly showed yesterday, some without even calling her as a courtesy.  

    I hope that she suspends so as to retain her pledged delegates, in the event that she revives her run -- or at least as leverage to clean up the corruption in the party by taking the rules fiasco to the credentials committee and even to the convention floor.

    She always can release right up to the first vote at the end of the convention.  If not, if the party won't do what needs doing, she can retain them through the first ballot.  Then they (most, per state rules) are free . . . after Dean, Brazile, et al., have had to sweat a bit. :-)

    [ Parent ]

    Hillary should keep (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by nulee on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:50:57 PM EST
    her delegates, and I think she should insist on being the keynote speaker

    Details (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Athena on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:04:50 PM EST
    That spot is usually an audition for a novice, and that's not her.  She can ask for a speaking slot for herself at the convention, have her name placed in nomination on August 27, have votes cast for her that same night - and if she wins, have an acceptance speech on August 28.

    [ Parent ]
    She does give some pretty damn good (none / 0) (#53)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:32:02 PM EST
    speeches and doesn't even need a teleprompter. :)

    [ Parent ]
    what? (none / 0) (#155)
    by karen for Clinton on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:25:47 AM EST
    Keynote speakers are just a tad less important than the potential nominees who have been campaigning their hearts out for the past year.

    To suggest that role for her is insulting isn't it?  Sorta like the "also ran" status the DNC page gives her with a little "thanks Hillary" box... not that I'm sending THEM a penny.

    They should be reminded to be careful who they select for keynote honor.  They shouldn't select someone who could possibly catapult themselves into the top of the party based on a speech.

    Hindsight.

    [ Parent ]

    I wish I could be there (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by bjorn on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:51:07 PM EST
    If anyone goes, please give us firsthand account

    Me too! (none / 0) (#14)
    by Grace on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:54:19 PM EST
    Anybody going?

    [ Parent ]
    D.C. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Athena on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:58:04 PM EST
    I may go.  I'd certainly like to.

    [ Parent ]
    If I find out I'm important enough (none / 0) (#34)
    by andgarden on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:16:02 PM EST
    to be invited, I'll go.

    [ Parent ]
    where is Kathy (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by bjorn on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:53:50 PM EST
    someone asked on earlier thread...did she say she would be in Europe or somewhere during this time?

    Miss her!

    Agreed (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Valhalla on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:55:32 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Sad day (5.00 / 10) (#20)
    by marisol on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:01:58 PM EST
    I wasn't a strong Clinton supporter, but over the course of this campaign I came to realize how much I really wanted to finally see a woman as POTUS.  And I came to admire Hillary more as I saw her keep going, no matter how much sexist s**t got thrown at her.

    I talked with a 78-year-old friend today, a woman who grew up in Depression, married and raised six kids while working, who went to the Houston Women's Conference in 1977 and who has served on our City Council and in the State Legislature. She's one of the strongest & most committed people I've ever known. She was so very discouraged and angry; so tired of waiting. It's not going to happen in her lifetime.

    I've seen many comments in other blogs about how another [unnamed] woman will be able to run for Pres. in the near future & how Hillary has paved the way.

    Maybe it's just the discouragement I'm feeling tonight, but I can't see any other woman being able to get there, never mind withstand this kind of onslaught.  Thanks to Sen. Clinton for her courage.

    sadly, (5.00 / 6) (#27)
    by ccpup on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:11:13 PM EST
    I spoke with my 14 year old niece today and she's decided to no longer do her homework or work really hard at anything because, as she put it, "why be the best and try really hard like Hillary when the dumb boys like Obama are just going to steal it from you anyway?"

    I tried to explain a bit of politics to her, but she wouldn't hear it.  In her mind, the person who was the best and had worked hard all her life was cheated out of something she earned by the guy who didn't deserve it.  She also contends that most of the girls in her class feel the same way, so why try to do anything anymore? is their attitude.

    Ugh.

    [ Parent ]

    Response (5.00 / 8) (#44)
    by Athena on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:24:15 PM EST
    If they do nothing, they will certainly not get far. But if they are angry - and not defeated - that will provide the energy to keep going and correct what they see now.  

    Remind them that Hillary (and many of us here) saw a political world with hardly any women at all when we grew up - and we got mad enough to try to change it.  And 2008 reflects that.

    Please remind them that women have not even had the right to vote in the U.S. for a century yet. Only 88 years.  We are finally taking our place in the American political system.

    They can honor Hillary by doing what she did - jumping into the fray, and staying strong.  Their generation will surely get farther if that happens. We are counting on them.

    [ Parent ]

    Outstanding post. (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by eleanora on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:30:10 PM EST
    This is exactly what Hillary would want us to take away from this fight. No matter what happens, we need to be part of the battle and never surrender. Thank you so much for articulating it so perfectly.

    [ Parent ]
    Dems to girls: You can do anything EXCEPT ... (5.00 / 5) (#89)
    by Ellie on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:20:58 PM EST
    Lead the party as President, even if you're eminently qualified.

    I was disgusted with the Obama "it's our turn" baloney, which exploited legitimate African American dissatisfaction to cover his baldly apparent lack of qualification for the office.

    He doesn't have the experience, record or credibility that Sen Clinton has.

    She's not only blamed for questioning it, but the Dems take away what she's accomplished to give it to him so he can pretend he "won".

    The message I'd give to girls today: use your skills to get ahead your way, don't accept second class and write your own ticket, literally.

    And if you want to go into politics, don't join the Democratic Men's Party.

    [ Parent ]

    That really breaks my heart (5.00 / 4) (#51)
    by standingup on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:29:59 PM EST
    Please tell her that we have come a long ways from the 90 year old women voting for Hillary who were born when women were not able to vote.  And though it is not fair, we have a long proud history of not giving up but continuing to fight with grace and dignity.  We might have lost the battle but not the war and this primary has awakened the warrior in many of us.  

     

    [ Parent ]

    this is a great time to review women's history (5.00 / 3) (#67)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:47:22 PM EST
    too see how far we've come, where we're sliding (or accepting what we shouldn't) and where we still need to get. In all fields/walks of life. There's more than one ceiling left to break  ;) We need to up our averages.

    [ Parent ]
    Agreed (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by standingup on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:15:45 AM EST
    and we should go further than a review.  I sent Jeralyn an email suggesting that women's political issues would be good for a new blog that she had proposed to keep the readers/commenters supporting Hillary around and engaged.  There are some very knowledgeable members, Cream City for one, who could contribute to the discussion that we should be having to see that we keep moving forward in a positive way.  What better evidence of a need is there than the story of ccpup's niece?  

    [ Parent ]
    As Kathy would say -- you rang? :-) (none / 0) (#127)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:22:01 AM EST
    Thanks for that.  I do love to research and teach women's history . . . and it would be even more fun to do it without have to do grading.  I hate grading.  It's so darn judgmental.  In my courses, I tell students from the first day that they all have A's -- remember how it felt like we started with F's and had to work up? -- and then all they have to do is hang onto them.  And so many do, bless them. :-)

    So let's all start with A's and have some fun!

    [ Parent ]

    Tell her Hillary's story of wanting to be (5.00 / 2) (#129)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:26:05 AM EST
    an astronaut and being told that girls couldn't do that.  Then tell her that Hillary has flown higher now than anyone, woman or man, before her in primaries, with her record number of votes.  

    And tell her that girls can grow up to be astronauts now, so we need this generation to get ready with all the skills they will need to fly all the way to the White House.  

    What is that saying?  We give them roots so that they will grow wings.  Some of us take wing in spaceships, some of us wing our way any way we can -- but only if we are ready when the heavens open. :-)

    [ Parent ]

    You could point out (none / 0) (#144)
    by Y Knot on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:20:09 AM EST
    That Obama isn't a "dumb boy" but actually a quite intelligent, articulate and accomplished human being, who, like Hillary is also a ground-breaking historical figure.  

    And that, while it certainly is disappointing to a lot of women out there, thanks to him, millions of black children can look up to him as a genuine role model many of whom tonight may be working harder than ever to make themselves into better people.

    Then you could tell her that someday, if she works hard, she could beat one of them to become President.

    Just, you know, one possible reaction.

    [ Parent ]

    Ya know, (5.00 / 3) (#149)
    by kenoshaMarge on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:18:49 AM EST
    some of us women are just so frakkin sick of hearing about "someday". What drivel!

    [ Parent ]
    I'm know you are... (none / 0) (#163)
    by Y Knot on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:31:45 AM EST
    And honestly, I sympathize.  I've heard from a lot of women who are feeling incredible, anguish, frustration and even despair.

    My point was simply that while there is a lot of sadness on one hand, there's much reason to rejoice on the other.  This was the downside of having two historical firsts running against one another.  Someone's dreams would be realized, and others would be dashed.

    But things are changing quickly in America.  Gay people can marry for the first time (in some places), a black man is a presidential nominee, one woman is the Speaker of the House, and another made an incredible, powerful and moving run for the Presidency.  While many things have gotten worse in America in the past eight years, these recent events can give us hope that they're starting to get better.  For all of us.

    I certainly didn't mean to in any way belittle your pain.  I'm sorry if I did.


    [ Parent ]

    Yes (5.00 / 2) (#150)
    by chrisvee on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:24:31 AM EST
    keep working hard ladies and maybe in another lifetime or ten you too can have a POTUS.

    [ Parent ]
    This is all surreal. (5.00 / 11) (#23)
    by masslib on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:06:36 PM EST
    I really think the establishment and the media picked Obama and ultimately the voters picked Clinton.  It just took some time to get there.  I feel we are missing our chance at greatness.  It should have been Clinton/Obama.  It would have been something.

    How Much Did A Delegate Cost? (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Athena on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:12:28 PM EST
    Great analysis today at RCP by Jay Cost:

    Obama's voters are worth more delegates. Put precisely, there are 10,237 voters for every Obama pledged delegate and 10,807 voters for every Clinton pledged delegate. That's a difference in Obama's favor of 570 voters per delegate.


    [ Parent ]
    I had not heard this before (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by bjorn on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:21:14 PM EST
    kind of shocking.  He really didn't win.

    [ Parent ]
    Of course he didn't win (5.00 / 5) (#60)
    by Davidson on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:42:02 PM EST
    The nomination was rigged from the beginning, the caucuses were absolute frauds, the superdelegates were bought, and the corrupt RBC stole scores of delegates from her.

    Absolutely disgusting.  And the GOP will shred Obama and the DNC apart for it.  What better way to nominate the first black nominee than to have it by illegitimate and blatantly fraudulent means?  Perfect, just perfect.

    [ Parent ]

    And, the media thinks (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:45:41 PM EST
    the only reason Clinton supporters won't vote for Obama is because their feelings are hurt.

    [ Parent ]
    My feelings aren't hurt (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:48:36 PM EST
    I'm just insulted.

    [ Parent ]
    Davidson's post (none / 0) (#77)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:00:34 PM EST
    has reasons that don't "heal" with time the way the media is reporting this will all play out.

    [ Parent ]
    EXCUSE ME... (5.00 / 2) (#139)
    by Phoenix Rising on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:47:04 AM EST
    I happened to participate in and run one of those caucuses.  (Actually, I got the distinct pleasure of herding 6 precinct caucuses while trying to attend one of them...)

    The caucus process is different, but calling it a fraud is insulting to the many, many people who took part in them and became active in their party as a result.  Caucus attendees elect the vast majority of our party central committee, and they go on to elect the leadership of our party, and those leaders in turn choose the leadership for our state, including DNC representation.

    When I lived in primary states (NY and PA) I never once was invited to influence the direction of my party.  I never once got to select which delegates represented me at conventions.  And I never once got to recommend platform planks.

    So be unhappy with the results, but don't call the 233 people who attended my small-county caucuses fraudsters.

    [ Parent ]

    OK... (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Y Knot on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:39:12 AM EST
    Come on now, I know people are upset, but a lot of this is just nonsense.

    Yes, caucuses are stupid, antiquated and inefficient... but its how some states choose to vote for their nominees.  Obama didn't come up with the system, he didn't "cheat" in the caucuses.  He just paid attention to those states while Clinton didn't.  There was nothing fraudulent about them.  Retarded and sad, yes.  But fraud?  Please.

    No one seemed to be complaining when the super delegates were all lined up behind Clinton.  Again, it's a stupid system, but it's the system we've had for decades.   Did he try to persuade them? Almost certainly.  But I've seen nothing to indicate he did anything that Clinton didn't do, or didn't try to do.  

    As for the RBC... I've said repeatedly that the Michigan decision was wrong.  I understand the rationale, but I don't see where they had the authority to do what they did.  So I half agree with you there.  Although, for the record, they stole 4 of her delegates, not scores.  Hopefully, that will be rectified in August.

    As for the popular vote thing.  I know many people pin their hopes to that one, but I would think that an honest look at the whole thing would force people to conclude that there is a legitimate question as to who got the most votes.  Everyone just so happens to prefer the scenario where their candidate got the most.  Either way, plus or minus 100,000 votes out of 34,000,000 is an amazingly dead even tie.  

    The fact that the districts where Obama won garnered more delegates per vote is either a statistical fluke, a matter of demographics, or a brilliant strategy on his part.  I really don't know (I suspect something built into the demographics, but I have no evidence), but in either event, I've seen nothing that indicates of any sort of fraud or foul play.  

    It's disappointing to lose.  Especially when everything was so close.  And without doubt, our nominating process needs a MAJOR overhaul.  But, I'm sorry, to say it was rigged from the beginning, is pure conspiracy fantasy.


    [ Parent ]

    There's a whole post w/146 comments (none / 0) (#64)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:44:31 PM EST
    that BTD put up just before this one.

    [ Parent ]
    eek! (5.00 / 6) (#30)
    by ccpup on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:13:08 PM EST
    you're echoing Pat Buchanan!  He said that Hillary was the Nominee of the People and Obama was the Nominee of those in Power in the Party.

    No offense, but I think you're both right.  And, really, how many times do you echo Pat Buchanan in your lifetime?

    :-)

    [ Parent ]

    Pat Buchanon is a victory for (5.00 / 4) (#35)
    by masslib on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:16:08 PM EST
    Hillary.  In 1992, he called her a "radical feminist", and she is :).  He warned she'd run for President, and she did.  But somewhere along the way, he became her preferred candidate of the remaining three.  Life is funny.

    [ Parent ]
    Pat gets lunch bucket Dems (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by andgarden on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:17:58 PM EST
    including the ugly parts.

    [ Parent ]
    I've learned there are ugly (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by masslib on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:19:10 PM EST
    parts of every voting demographic.  Well, we're all human.

    [ Parent ]
    andgarden, where are my "ugly parts"? (none / 0) (#93)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:36:35 PM EST
    You're not suggesting that I/we lunch bucket types have more "ugly parts", or different "ugly parts" than the 'creative-class', right? (I'm kidding you a bit here.)

    There was an interesting discussion here a few days ago about the over-riding relevance of the class that one identifies with.

    Meaning, some people start out on the lower rung of the socio-economic ladder, work their way up, but still identify with their class of origin (Democrats?). While others pull the ladder up once they get to the top and no longer identify with their class of origin (Republicans?).

    I don't know how that effects our "ugly parts" along the way. (Kidding, kidding again.) Just making the point that the class issue can get a bit dicey.

    [ Parent ]

    It's 2000 all over again (5.00 / 4) (#45)
    by Radiowalla on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:25:08 PM EST
    The media picked Bush because they loathed Gore and nibbled him to death.

    This year, the media picked Obama because they loathed Hillary and nibbled her to death.

    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.  In other words, it was ever thus.

    [ Parent ]

    Not to diminish racial battles, but (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:35:09 AM EST
    sorry, the gender battles are older in our American culture.  We do have to be historically accurate.  That is, if we define our culture as when the English first invaded here.  That was before they started to bring over African American slaves.

    It's just that we finally are teaching about African American history, so more of us know it, as you do -- but we still teach very little of women's history.  Wonder why?  Who would be threatened by that? :-)

    And, of course, we cannot ignore that for about 1 in 20 Americans, women of color, they battle both racism and sexism.  And, of course, most African Americans are (unlike Obama) from both cultures.  It's all very complex in this country -- and all a reason to realize that, while being historically accurate, it also is simply wisest to not make it a contest.  Racism and sexism stop our country from its potential greatness, period.  Fix one, and we still won't even begin to realize our potential.  We must fix both.

    [ Parent ]

    Until they didn't. (none / 0) (#113)
    by masslib on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:09:23 AM EST
    Look, I appreciate thse historic significance of Obama's campaign, but it doesn't in any way diminish the historic significane of Hillary's.  Don't these people get it?

    [ Parent ]
    I agree that the media picked Obama (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by stefystef on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:28:33 PM EST
    Again the MSM trying to determine who should be in the White House.

    The problem is that Hillary won almost 18 million votes in a primary (no one has done that in the history of America) and she won the last primary, South Dakota, despite the fact that Obama was projected to win both last states (notice how the media covered it up) and despite the support of Tom Daschle.

    Obama has already peaked.  It's downhill from here.

    [ Parent ]

    exactly. (none / 0) (#33)
    by NJDem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:15:27 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Suspend don't quit, Sen Clinton! (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by Ellie on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:34:50 PM EST
    I want her to take what she's fought hard for to the convention.

    I won't automatically support the Dem pick. If Dems reward Obama's cheating -- there's no other way to spin it -- and it's a coronation, neither individual nor party can expect automatic support from me.

    A month of Obama having to succeed on his own merits and talent against the Rethuggernaut should be interesting, and we'll be spared hearing a speech about how he's considering going for Olympic Gold.

    Ellie, see upstream link in comment #54 (none / 0) (#61)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:42:46 PM EST
    There's a story from Corrente that totally made my day. I think you'll like it.

    [ Parent ]
    Thanks! Today was a travel day (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Ellie on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:55:48 PM EST
    It's a little surreal -- the Dems' version of 2000 where we have to pretend that Bush won, and again in 2004.

    My lying eyes say otherwise, so it's good to know the Earth's spinning in the same direction as I left it, no matter what the Obama hagiography is saying.

    [ Parent ]

    And you think (none / 0) (#106)
    by fireback on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:27:43 AM EST
    that having an election where it was widely known would not count, would provide an accurate representation of the will of the people?  Do you not realize that Clinton had significant advantage by name recognition (not to imply she didn't deserve significant support on merit alone)?  Obama's inability to campaign in those states and/or the expectation that they would not count and therefore not campaigning in those states left him at a severe disadvantage.  And you think that is fair?

    [ Parent ]
    I'm one of them (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Nadai on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:12:33 PM EST
    and I'll send her more to help retire her debt if necessary.  But thanks ever so for the "sympathy".

    Suspend and offer support (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by americanincanada on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:15:37 PM EST
    I am ok with that.

    I also agree that we should pressure the DNC to pressure Obama to accept those townhall debates with McCain.

    Obama wanted to be the presumptive nominee, let him have at it. I am sure we will see what kind of candidate he will be then.

    I guess this will be a clear signal that she does not want to be VP then?

    Candy Crowley said tonight (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:38:46 PM EST
    she will keep her delegates up to the convention but not to try to get the nomination. They are useful for other things.

    Jeralyn, intriguing... (none / 0) (#98)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:52:34 PM EST
    What sort of other things are the delegates useful for?

    Do you think she's just not going to seek the nomination unless Obama implodes? Or that she's not going to seek it even then?

    [ Parent ]

    Leverage for her platform, her issues (none / 0) (#134)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:37:22 AM EST
    such as health care, equal pay, etc. -- and now, I hope, leverage to clean up the corruption in the party.  I hope she takes that issue to the credentials committee, so we never will see the like of this corruption again from the rules and bylaws committee.  Maybe she even can get rid of Brazile. :-)

    [ Parent ]
    I see one dim ray of light (5.00 / 0) (#105)
    by miriam on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:20:15 AM EST
    at the end of this.  If Obama loses (and I strongly believe he will for all the reasons already posted here for months, not the least of which being he didn't even get the majority of registered Democrats' votes) he will take a great many people down with him.  If we are unhappy with Dean, Pelosi, and Reid now, think about how unhappy we'll be in November when McCain wins over the weakest candidate the Dems could have fielded.  

    Think how unhappy the Senate and House Democrats who did not endorse Obama will be.  There will be reckonings for the untidy, underhanded way Obama has been foisted on those who did not think him electable.

    Then we may well be able to get rid of the craven, short-sighted, ethically-compromised and intellectually-challenged who have brought the Democratic party to the point where once again it will have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.  

    I want Obama to be a man, (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by gandy007 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:17:15 AM EST
    anydemwilldo.

    For me, he doesn't have to promise a damn thing.  He doesn't have to say he will push for true universal health care or any of her more enlightened policies.

    I just want him to stand up, with sincerity and say something like,

    "My supporters were wrong to vilify Senator Clinton; they were wrong to suggest that Bill Clinton is a racist; and I should have spoken out against it. Further I should not have countenanced the sexism that was so prevalent among my supporters.

    Perhaps one of the most egregious things I did was to denigrate the administration of a fellow Democrat whose term in office was one of the most prosperous and successful of the twentieth century.

    Worst of all, I was wrong to compare his tenure with the administrations of perhaps the worst president of all time and his father, both Republicans.

    Mea culpa.

    That's what a big man would do!

    I have a feeling (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 01:47:35 AM EST
    that even if Hillary stumps for Obama, BILL won't.  And I have no doubt that Hillary's supporters and many others will think Bill's behavior is fully justified.

    [ Parent ]
    BLOGCLOGGER: Fireback (5.00 / 0) (#131)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:34:51 AM EST


    He's at 10 comments today (none / 0) (#161)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:08:51 AM EST
    and been suspended. he can return tomorrow if he reminds me by email to reinstate him. He's a chatterer and limited to 10 comments in 24 hours.

    [ Parent ]
    from Tokyo to DC (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by weltec2 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 03:13:08 AM EST
    I sincerely wish I could cancel my teaching and fly from Tokyo to DC to hear what she has to say and to add my voice to those who would like to see her take her bid all the way to the convention. I do not want to see this end like this. Everything about it feels awkward and uncomfortable to me. I feel like she's being pushed and shoved out.

    That's because she is (none / 0) (#148)
    by samanthasmom on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:09:55 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    conceding.... (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by TimNCGuy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:27:41 AM EST
    My opinion, for what it's worth, is that ALL of this bruhaha about when she concedes could have been avoided by the Obama camp.

    Last Sunday all the media outlets were reporting that Obama wanted his movie-ending moment on Tuesday evening in Minn. But, at the same time the media was saying that the super delegates would likely give Clinton the respect she deserved and hold off until Wed at the earliest to put him over the top.

    Obama WOULDN'T allow Clinton to finish the primaries and thank her supporters Tuesday night after it all ended. She should have been given that opportunity. When she wasn't, the media ATTACKED her for what Obama and the super delegates caused.

    His spotlight for attaining the nomination did NOT have to be on Tuesday night. It could have easily been Wed or Thursday night. He would have gotten just as much coverage and maybe even MORE viewers with an event specifically planned for that announcement.

    But, instead, all day Tuesday Clinton was "dissed" by false media reports and then the final straw (to me) was Clinton super dels switching to Obama BEFIRE the polls even closed.


    Jeralyn (none / 0) (#1)
    by suki on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:43:43 PM EST
    does this mean she's suspending, or conceding?


    Imo (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:44:55 PM EST
    She will suspend and endorse.

    [ Parent ]
    I hope, (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by suki on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:46:22 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I hope so too (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by melro on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:50:44 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    That is the smart thing to do (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by vigkat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:02:14 PM EST
    There still will be some exploding heads.  It's inevitable.

    [ Parent ]
    why should antone's head explode? (none / 0) (#154)
    by TimNCGuy on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:04:18 AM EST
    John Edwards has only "suspended" his campaign.  He has never "ended" his campaign.

    [ Parent ]
    Or (none / 0) (#17)
    by Andy08 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:57:55 PM EST
    "suspend and support"

    [ Parent ]
    sounds like an underwear commercial.... (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by jerry on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:01:31 PM EST


    [ Parent ]