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Reid/Pelosi/Dean To Send Stern Letter

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:32:02 AM EST
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This is hilarious:

In the absence of a concession speech from Sen. Hillary Clinton on Tuesday night, top figures in the Democratic Party are set to go public, urging all uncommitted officials to declare their presidential affiliations.

Sources have confirmed that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, DNC Chairman Howard Dean, and an official with the Democratic Governors Association are planning to release a public statement on Wednesday morning requesting that the party close its ranks and prepare for the race against Sen. John McCain.

How ridiculous can these people be? Obama declared victory tonight. NOW they want to send a stern letter? Man, are Democrats stupid not sharp.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

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    Reid/Pelosi/Dean To Send Stern Letter | 214 comments (214 topical)
    ah, the Democratic party version of unity (5.00 / 7) (#1)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:35:13 AM EST
    I must have missed that one in class. That's definitely, well, an interesting approach to it. Yep, that's going to win us 18 million voters over. Yep.

    I guess they didn't get the message (5.00 / 9) (#82)
    by ChuckieTomato on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:55:45 AM EST
    when Hillary asked them to respect her voters...

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    100 agree with both of you (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by sociallybanned on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:00:53 AM EST
    I couldn't agree more with both of you.  I also think she understands that we can't express our passion for her as a candidate without being called a racist. It's not just folks that know how to post comments but older women who are tired of being called something they are not.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/white_women_take_the_gloves_of.html

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    Dear Super Delegates (5.00 / 4) (#95)
    by Salo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:59:35 AM EST
    Dear Super Del

    I'm absolutely disgusted by your suspicion of the winner. MSNBC calls Him this. He Himself has declared victory.  Howvere much this sort of Autocoronation reminds you of the last eitght years--get with it and declare.  Yes that means you Donna Brazile Declare your preference now.

    Sincerely Yours

    Distgusted, Tunnbridge Wells.

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    Run Independent (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by sociallybanned on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:10:13 AM EST
    Screw them!  Let her run Independent.  I think she has the backing.  Why can you imagine a first Independent and a woman.  Now, that's a double threat.

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    it's a bad idea. (none / 0) (#140)
    by Salo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:12:55 AM EST
    maybe the pair can be forced together like Brown and Blair in the uk.

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    It's about respect (5.00 / 5) (#150)
    by ChuckieTomato on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:17:41 AM EST
    Listen to her speech again. The DNC, the media, the party, no one has given her one ounce of respect, except the voters, and she earned it.

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    That worked well for 8 yearsover here (5.00 / 0) (#152)
    by WelshWoman on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:18:08 AM EST
    I think the Democratics need to change there name, this is not following due process.

    Give people time, Obamna and MCCain have been using this like a general election already and going head to head. Let that continue.

    PS I bet Rezko verdict wll be out tomorrow now Obama has reached the number of delegates required.

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    MSNBC is the same "news" agency (5.00 / 2) (#183)
    by ChuckieTomato on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:31:28 AM EST
    that slandered Al Gore for two years. Remember the false Love Canal stories? The "Why is Al Gore switching to earth tones?" stories. Al Gore invented the internet stories. Al Gore will not stop and help you change a flat tire stories...

    They don't like Bill, Al or Hillary.

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    Oooh, (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by andgarden on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:36:20 AM EST
    "an official with the Democratic Governors Association"

    Scaaaaary!

    Hey, Don't Mock Those Letters (5.00 / 10) (#27)
    by BDB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:43:50 AM EST
    They've been very effective of reigning in Bush.  

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    The distinction (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by andgarden on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:47:18 AM EST
    between a letter from a legislator to a constituent and one to a person of some importance is that the latter might be signed with an autopen by the intern.

    The people are buffoons who can't make Hillary do anything, obviously.

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    And if the stern letter doesn't work (5.00 / 4) (#68)
    by Grace on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:53:27 AM EST
    they'll send Nancy over to put her foot down.  

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    The Grand Poobah's Letter (5.00 / 7) (#90)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:58:09 AM EST
    is a profoundly dunder-headed move.

    Hillary's popular support grows all the more when the Establishment Democrats try to force her out of the race.

    Evidently, the Dem Establishment is so out of touch, they can't see the backlash they provoke in the general public when they bring on another strong-arm tactic like this.

    Ironically, the LETTER will be a GOOD thing for Hillary, and conversely a BAD thing for Obama.

    Maybe that's why BTD also thinks it's a dumb move.

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    Is Obama the Black Blair? (none / 0) (#134)
    by Salo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:11:30 AM EST
    and Clinton the Female Brown?

    He used U2's beautiful day...oddly enough.

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    Don't remember U2's song being used Labour used (none / 0) (#157)
    by WelshWoman on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:20:37 AM EST
    D-Ream - Things can only get better

    Second line (now I've found you)

    Suits Clinton doesn't it?

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    As one of 18 million Clinton supporters, they can (5.00 / 8) (#3)
    by Teresa on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:37:08 AM EST
    kiss me goodbye. She doesn't deserve a day or two for those of us who have stood by her? Aren't we Democrats anymore? I swear to God, I'll never vote again if they do this.

    I completely agree. (5.00 / 9) (#10)
    by Esme on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:39:27 AM EST
    If they push Hillary out like this, I am done for good.

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    My letter (5.00 / 9) (#17)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:41:20 AM EST
    to the New York State Board of Elections changing my affiliation from Democrat to unaffiliated is already signed, sealed and ready to be mailed out in the morning. Every time I start to think "okay, maybe this'll work out better than I expect", they pull this kind of sh!t.

    I'm over the guilt now for sure.

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    I'm still registered as a dem. (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Esme on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:43:28 AM EST
    But after the RFK thing, and now this, I dunno if I can ever vote dem again. I think a new party needs to be formed. I really do.

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    I've been a Democrat (5.00 / 12) (#35)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:46:07 AM EST
    since before I was born (seriously -- my mom was pregnant with me when she was a Dem poll watcher in NYC in 1962) from a family of hardcore Dems. We've all resigned from the party after this fiasco. It's painful as hell, kind of like breaking up with someone you really loved once and don't really want to leave, but you know he's an abusive, clueless b@stard.

    I know eventually I'll feel relief. Right now, I'm kind of numb but I've had it.

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    I'm in the same boat. (5.00 / 8) (#67)
    by Esme on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:53:22 AM EST
    I'm only 20, but I've been canvassing and stuffing envelopes with my mother since I was a baby. And now, to see our party turn on us and throw us under the bus...well, it's awful. Just awful.

    And the worst thing is having to witness my mother and grandmother watch on in utter bewilderment as all the advancements they made in women's rights get trampled on by a bunch of spineless party leaders.

    Best of luck to you! Let's hope that this madness doesn't last too long.

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    Aw, same here (5.00 / 5) (#115)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:04:59 AM EST
    I'm twice your age. My mom is 73. My dad is 80. They've been through all sorts of insanity politically and they've never seen a race like this or been so disgusted, angry and upset. We've all left the party because it's left us.

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    Honestly (5.00 / 12) (#29)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:44:21 AM EST
    After everything Hillary's been through, do you think they're going to push her out?  They've called her a racist, would-be assasin, and any number of awful things.

    She'll just dig in her spiked heels -- like the rest of us will -- and the invertebrate Democratic leadership will back off.  Break out the popcorn and enjoy the show.

    And lest you forget, here's the PUMA party anthem:
    Link

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    PUMA POWER! (5.00 / 7) (#51)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:50:07 AM EST
    I swear, every time they could actually just STFU, calm down and maybe let people come back of their own accord if they wanted to, the DNC and the Big Giant Heads just find another way to piss everyone who was already pissed off even more.

    What an amazing talent. What an amazing set of morons.

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    Just remember (5.00 / 6) (#88)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:57:42 AM EST
    the heads are so giant because they're "this close" to exploding.

    Keep that in mind and enjoy the fun it brings to your soul.

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    If only (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:58:44 AM EST
    Have you ever seen the movie Scanners? That suddenly came to mind. ::snickers::

    The utter chutzpah coupled with stupidity of all of them is just staggering.

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    Scanners (none / 0) (#116)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:05:25 AM EST
    Gonna have to see if I can find it.

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    Scanners (none / 0) (#167)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:25:35 AM EST
    Link to IMDB

    It's a David Cronenberg film. And people's heads explode. A lot.

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    Sounds just lovely ;-). (none / 0) (#175)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:28:44 AM EST


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    Pushing Her Out (1.00 / 1) (#128)
    by joharmon86 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:10:22 AM EST
    They can't push someone out who has already lost. It is a delegate race. Obama has the most.

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    I'm with you (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by myiq2xu on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:50:35 AM EST
    not them.

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    I swear this is going to be a NASTY book (5.00 / 9) (#4)
    by blogtopus on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:37:09 AM EST
    in a couple years. These people will look RI-DIC-U-LOUS on a massive scale.

    They are like (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by Grace on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:57:59 AM EST
    the Keystone Cops of government.  

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    You mean, because Pelosi said this? (5.00 / 7) (#153)
    by Cream City on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:18:26 AM EST
    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) reiterated her position Sunday [March 16] that superdelegates should reflect the will of voters in the Democratic nominating process.  Sen. Barack Obama's campaign is making the same case.

    "If the votes of the superdelegates overturn what happened in the elections, it would be harmful to the Democratic Party," Pelosi said in a pretaped interview with ABC's "This Week."  A pair of Obama surrogates made the same case.

    On CBS's "Face the Nation," Obama supporter Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick said, "I think the superdelegates, in the end, will ratify the will of the people and the pledged delegates."

    And Obama supporter and former Sen. Bill Bradley (D-N.J.) went even further on NBC's "Meet the Press," where he suggested superdelegates who buck their constituents may face a primary fight during the next election. . . .


    Oh oh.  Pesky historical record re Pelosi, et al., huh?

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    We should write her and remind her. (5.00 / 5) (#165)
    by Grace on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:24:33 AM EST
    "Will of the People," Nancy?  Wouldn't that be those pesky little things called "Votes"?  

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    You mean like (5.00 / 4) (#174)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:28:20 AM EST
    he suggested superdelegates who buck their constituents may face a primary fight during the next election. . . .

    Kerry
    Rockefeller
    Napolitano
    Richardson

    and all those others who "voted their conscience"?

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    Watch out with those words (5.00 / 3) (#194)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:36:18 AM EST
    I have 3 superdelegates who are sticking tight to Hillary Clinton and Obama won here. I believe the will of the people is far more visible in the true count of ballots cast by the people.

    Obama gamed the caucuses, and if he could have found a way to steal votes in the primary states, you know he would have.


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    Wow. (5.00 / 10) (#5)
    by Esme on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:37:22 AM EST
    Hey, where's the impeachment letter, Nancy?

    Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

    In an ideal world (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by jcsf on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:37:28 AM EST
    Where the candidates and their supporters weren't sniping so much at each other, Hillary Clinton clearly has the legitimate claim to be the VP.  Especially at democrats, we have to respect the 50% who voted for her.

    That has to be the default.  Maybe it won't happen, for various reasons - but they have to BE good reasons.

    Her supporter say no (none / 0) (#200)
    by Prabhata on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:40:12 AM EST
    Only Obama supporters want her to have the VP. Her supporters do not want her to take it if offered.  Any way I don't think Obama wants to give the VP to her. I"m so happy for that. PUMA.

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    Feeble (5.00 / 5) (#8)
    by Athena on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:39:08 AM EST
    Obama needs his chaperones.

    Where's Stellaaa (5.00 / 11) (#9)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:39:17 AM EST
    Shorter version of Reid, Pelosi, Dean:

    "Don't make me go down there!"

    LOL!  I've seen wet noodles that were scarier.

    And BTW, where is all this stern-ness when it comes to Iraq bills?

    yeah...who are they threatening (5.00 / 16) (#122)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:08:00 AM EST
    Like Tweety rightly said, Hillary has an army and the army is pissed and mobilized.  

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    And wears heels! (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:10:23 AM EST
    (well, sometimes)

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    I always (none / 0) (#176)
    by LoisInCo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:29:10 AM EST
    knew Tweety wore heels!

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    I'm feeling the power (5.00 / 5) (#130)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:10:48 AM EST
    We're 18 million strong, and we're not going anywhere. We don't need them. We're just sitting here having a good old time. We are thinking about Hillary vs. McCain in 4 years. Nope, we don't need them at all. It's they who need us. And we may just have a list. And the more the pile on, the longer that list gets. Yep, feeling the power.

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    Well, only 18M of us are known about (5.00 / 1) (#199)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:39:36 AM EST
    there are plenty of people who will vote in the GE who didn't vote in primaries, or attend caucuses, and you can bet 1/2 of those democrats are just as angry at how this primary was played. Obama turned it into a cheap game.


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    omg! Tweety may have gotten something right! (none / 0) (#168)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:25:57 AM EST


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    Everybody mark an X (5.00 / 2) (#179)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:30:09 AM EST
    on your calendar, this is a special day!

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    Why? (5.00 / 15) (#11)
    by lansing quaker on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:39:35 AM EST
    Why stoke the fire?

    Why do this?

    It does nothing but aggravate.

    The media narrative is won.  For the love of God.  It just hardens me on the position that she should never concede.

    They will never allow her a graceful exit.  They want nothing but more tears from her.  Tears they will no doubt ridicule.

    I am so done.

    Oh, I'm scared now! (5.00 / 15) (#12)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:39:54 AM EST
    THEY'RE GONNA SEND OUT A LETTER!

    Sheesh. Once again, Madame Chair and Mr. Reid can manage to go after members of their own party for making up their own minds in their own sweet time but they can't be bothered with anything trivial like impeachment, ending the war or any of the other things they promised us 2 years ago.

    And then they wonder why I've left their party after being a life long Democrat along with so many others? Even when the Republicans pull ranks and strong arm people they do it behind the scenes...

    I agree but registering independent (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by ChuckieTomato on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:50:14 AM EST
    is kinda pointless unless there is another option to vote for besides the two major ones. Lou Dobbs is wrong, changing parties doesn't solve anything. If Hillary ran as an independent then things would change

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    It sends a message IMHO (5.00 / 4) (#72)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:54:13 AM EST
    I'm not switching parties. I've gone unaffiliated so I am not beholden to anyone anymore. And it feels very good to send copies of my letter to these idjits and tell them I'm no longer one of their minions, I'm not required to do anything for them and I most certainly am not going to keep aiding and abetting.

    Donna Brazile said they didn't need the likes of me. The others have shown time and time again that line of thinking holds true. So, fine, I'm gone. Let them have their party without me.

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    In November you still have only two choices (5.00 / 0) (#110)
    by ChuckieTomato on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:03:43 AM EST
    which is why they don't care. They know it won't matter, unless there's an independent on the ballot or you choose to withdraw from the process or you write-in like I plan to.

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    There will be third party candidates (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:06:50 AM EST
    There always are. I'll find one I can live with voting for and do it. I will not vote for Obama and I will not vote for McCain. If I am desperate, I'll just ignore the presidential slot and vote downticket. It's not that hard at all.

    I would write-in but NY is kind of annoying about it, especially on our antiquated but still reliable mechanical machines.

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    What about a paper ballot? (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:09:41 AM EST
    We have that option, so I was going to try that route. I did download the Poll Workers Manual and it has the instructions for setting the machines for write in. lol!~ gotta love the internet!

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    I read about that online (none / 0) (#178)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:29:58 AM EST
    for write-ins but not not sure. I also read somewhere that if you don't apply to be on the ballot as a write in in NYS, a write-in vote for you doesn't count. (Sorta like Michigan, not that anyone actually paid attention to that pesky rule)

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    It may not count in their minds (5.00 / 1) (#201)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:40:33 AM EST
    but it will in mine. And frankly, that's all that matters to me right now. I have the Obama speech going on in the background and he just said something that made me want to scream Bulls***! Sorry, can't vote for someone that does that for me. Damn, wished I didn't have that on. All ticked off again!

    I'll either write her in, skip the top of the ticket or go Green.

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    I havent decided yet (none / 0) (#204)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:43:04 AM EST
    I've got time. I just hope there's a way for us disaffected sorts to keep in touch since, sadly, TL isn't going to be a place for us very soon. I respect BTD and Jeralyn's wishes and understand why -- but it's going to be sad when there's no place to congregate.

    Right now, this place is well needed therapy, not to mention a source of great info. (I.e. I never would've learned about Donnie McClurkin without it!)

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    This place is and has been great (5.00 / 1) (#221)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:54:01 AM EST
    but I will also have to bow out when it goes Obama. I'll be going over to The Confluence more than likely, or just get too busy with my other activities.

    I just don't see Obama flipping me. He would have to come up with some solid stuff on issues I care about and it damn well better not sound like pander  ;)

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    I've bookmarked the Confluence anyway (5.00 / 3) (#226)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:01:22 AM EST
    so hopefully I'll be commenting there more. I do check out No Quarter from time to time but they're kinda crazy there and I actually don't like that kind of crap from anyone, even if I supposedly am on the same side.

    I don't see Obama flipping me either. I am just too angry and tired of the same game very 4 years with the Democratic nominee. Other than Bill Clinton, my choice for President hasn't been the nominee or won. That's saying a lot. And the fact that they've got me actually considering voting for McCain out of spite is saying a lot.

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    good thing (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by sociallybanned on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:04:06 AM EST
    Now, wouldn't that be brilliant.  I believe a lot of her supporters are fed up and want party reform.  It would shake things up tremendously.

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    It's not changing parties (5.00 / 3) (#121)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:07:29 AM EST
    it's going unaffiliated/independent/solo and not having to tow the party line, hold your nose and vote, etc. It's being able to stand up for what you believe in when your party isn't towing the line. They need to convince us we should vote for them, and can't count on us until we vote.

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    there is an independent party (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by ChuckieTomato on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:19:02 AM EST
    I'm just saying nothing will change until there's a viable 3rd option, and the DNC knows that

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    43% of 18 million plus is a good start (none / 0) (#181)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:30:32 AM EST
    not that I think she would or should run indie, but the power of that voting block unaffiliated would be pretty  ;)

    yes, there is an Independent party, but here in NY we don't have to join any party. I think it's the same in CA. Only 2 states I've lived in, so I would have to check out others, but I think many have the choice.

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    How about the PUMA Party? (none / 0) (#207)
    by Prabhata on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:44:47 AM EST


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    Decline To State (none / 0) (#242)
    by Jane in CA on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:46:18 AM EST
    in California.  I thought of going DTS instead of American Independant when I re-registered yesterday.  The reason I went Independant is because I'm mailing a copy of my registration change to DNC, and I want them to understand in no uncertain terms that I am severing every tie I have ever had with the democratic party. DTS is too ambiguous for my purpose; it leaves open the possibility that I secretly remain democrat ...

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    LOL............. (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by SueBonnetSue on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:40:34 AM EST
    These people are ridiculous.  So powerless, so inept, so maddening.

    The rest of the Democrats are worse (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Davidson on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:43:28 AM EST
    They pay heed to this pathetic trio.  Honestly, if the supers had any sense at all they would have flooded in Clinton's favor considering Obama is, at best, no where near as electable as her.  And yet they didn't and all but likely won't.

    The Democratic "leadership" don't intimidate the opposition or even the voters.  But the rest of the Party are absolute fools.

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    It's all about money (none / 0) (#215)
    by Prabhata on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:49:39 AM EST
    Pelosi gives lots of money to candidates.  Lots and lots of money.  She can haul loads of it, and she doesn't need to spend a dime in her district.  I know; she's my representative.  The automatic delegates need that milk and therefore they will vote the way she tells them.  I'm done with the Democrats too.  Finito.  The end.  Fin.

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    NOT... (none / 0) (#239)
    by otherlisa on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:35:21 AM EST
    The Comfy Chair???!!!!!

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    There's a reasonable explanation for this (5.00 / 8) (#15)
    by blogtopus on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:40:58 AM EST
    They are scared. Period. Of what? I don't know.

    But I'll bet Hillary does.

    I wonder if they're still afraid of her (5.00 / 7) (#96)
    by Valhalla on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:59:55 AM EST
    talking to SDs.  Remember she said something in her speech about talking to Party Leaders?  I was assuming she meant the ones on her side, not the Clown College ones.

    He 'clinched' the nomination but not by all that many, and all that stuff about having 50/17/40 SDs ready to go, not to mention they've been threatening to 'go' with all their SDs since April, makes me think they're just not as sure of their hold over the party as they'd like to appear.

    And, I really do think this is that whole New Bolshevik thing.  It's not enough for them to win, they must destroy all that has come before them.  It's the big purge, complete with show trials (RBC).  They'd be hustling her onto the Big Gulag Express to Siberia if they could.  She must be silenced.

    All this baloney (I mean, do we really have to be copying the Soviets' political style?  Did that work out so well?) is what drove me out of the party as of today.  I'm now an Independent.  It keeps backfiring and yet they keep doing it.  Inexplicable.

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    Nicely said (5.00 / 6) (#137)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:12:26 AM EST
    I suspect there will be more SDs on the morrow since some people (unlike Jimmy Carter) had enough respect to wait. I am pretty bummed that four people including Maxine Waters flipped (in the name of 'Unity'), but whatever. Most of the uncommitteds were a joke anyway -- Ralph Dawson? James Clyburn? Carter?

    I figure the Troika of Doom there will shill for Obama too, as if that's going to punish HRC for being a bad girl and not going off into the night like a broken thing.

    This is is precisely why I'm outta there. It's not about HRC losing. It's really about the non-stop moronathon that's been going on for 8 years. I keep giving them chances to do SOMETHING right and they keep f'ing up. I dont want to be an enabler anymore.

    (and since comments closed, I couldn't respond to your last BSG-related thang. And I'm with you on all of it. Personally, I want a President like Lee Adama. At least then I could understand why people would faint or drool over him. ;))

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    But there still are 120 or more super-dels (5.00 / 2) (#164)
    by Cream City on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:24:32 AM EST
    who haven't declared (number varies by site) -- almost a sixth of these party leaders.  That's a sizeable number, and what do they know that is keeping them from committing to Obama?  All of them are going to come over tomorrow?  I don't think so.

    And he still doesn't have the magic number needed if the credentials committee challenge is filed, and if it restores FL delegates, takes back the write-ins and maybe even the uncommittee stolen for Obama, etc.

    And he definitely doesn't really have the nomination cinched before the convention -- he can't get the magic number with pledged delegates alone, which is what "cinched" means.  And why not?  Because Clinton has 'em.  Ha ha ha. . . .

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    Some SDs have political power in their own (5.00 / 1) (#205)
    by Valhalla on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:43:52 AM EST
    right and are not beholden to the likes of Dean, Pelosi and other Writers of Stern Letters.

    My own House Rep didn't declare for him today (Markey).  My guess it's because his district was very pro-Clinton and he pretty much has his job for life.  Of course, he didn't declare for her, either, he's still Undeclared, or whatever that silly status is that Donna Brazile's always squeaking about.

    There was a rumor? report? earlier that any SDs who didn't declare before the end of the voting in MT and South Dakota would be frozen out of the big bad Obama money train, so maybe that explains a lot of the ones today.  Those still uncommitted may have plenty of money of their own.

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    Good for Markey (5.00 / 1) (#216)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:49:45 AM EST
    It's been frustrating as hell to see people like Delahunt falling into line.

    I've been lucky in New York -- all but 2 people have declared for Hillary, one of the being Ralph Dawson of the RBC (big shock there).

    I really don't see what the damned rush is on all of this, esp when it's not binding in any way (as proven by the flippety flop of Maxine Waters, Ben Johnson and the other 2 today).

    The money train thing does sound like a likely theory. Pity that money train is going to be drying up soon -- I wonder how the NYC DNC fund raiser is going to be tonight. Most of the NYers I know are just not giving the DNC, DSCC etc. another penny. I would like to think that people like Harvey Weinstein will make good their threats to keep their checkbooks closed...and after a while, all of Obama's creative classers are going to max out their credit cards.

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    Our Gov had no problem hitting the stage (5.00 / 2) (#190)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:34:27 AM EST
    and giving Hillary a big hug.

    I will be sending another message to all the NY delegates to thank them and ask them to stand strong until she decides.

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    I was very impressed by Patterson doing that (5.00 / 4) (#196)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:37:44 AM EST
    esp after they'd been trying to stir up stuff with him about his supposed disgust over her. I also thought it was very telling that she was flanked by Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Sheila Jackson Lee, Vernon Jordan and several other African Americans I sadly didn't recognize and there was clearly firm affection there.

    The Sharptons, Jesse Jrs and Clyburns of the world can choke on it.

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    I was thrilled when I saw that (5.00 / 1) (#213)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:48:38 AM EST
    it was all very real, no BS.

    I also LOVED the crowd behind her tonight. They were just glowing at certain points with happiness at what she was saying. The energy and smiles coming from them when she said she wasn't quitting yet, beautiful.

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    It was a beautiful moment (5.00 / 3) (#223)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:56:00 AM EST
    only marred by the whole "she should be the nominee right now and isn't" thing.

    I think it also gave at least the people in New York State an idea of who supports her and why. Especially after idiotic articles like the one in the L.A. Times yesterday (?) claiming her African American base is furious with her and are certain she's going to run against Patterson for the Governorship 2 years before her Senate Seat runs out just because she's a big ol' racist. It was ridiculous.

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    I don't even think (5.00 / 8) (#233)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:18:59 AM EST
    it was a fair assessment of the AA voters in New York to be honest. It was Sharpton and a few elected officials in AA communities in the NY metro area kvetching and whining about how terrible she is and how she must do penance to win back their love.

    Whatever. Bill Clinton put his office in Harlem, on 125th Street in order to help build up the neighborhood. He makes sure to spend money at the local stores and restaurants. He's helped renew the area big time. He could've gone anywhere in the City, but he didn't.

    If Tavis Smiley is to be believed, Hillary and Bill have probably done more for the AA community in their lifetimes than Obama and Michelle have ever bothered to. That's why all of this racism stuff is as heinous as it is.

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    I agree 100% - They seem scared of something (none / 0) (#146)
    by dwmorris on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:15:56 AM EST
    It looks like they're trying to do everything possible to maximize Obama's margin of victory.

    Is this in anticipation of some scandal that will move large numbers of SDs to Clinton?

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    Hillary set them up perfectly (5.00 / 12) (#16)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:41:15 AM EST
    by saying the Obama campaign and its supporters (read Harry and Nancy) needed to give her 18 million voters respect and stop treating them as invisible. It's simple. It's what they have to do. But she didn't push it. She just put it out there, like the way a mother might correct bad behavior in a child without pushing.

    I guess they didn't quite get it. Doing this disrespects those 18 million voters. We need to be convinced. Harry and Nancy, you're not convincing me.

    Heard and interesting thought on FOX (5.00 / 2) (#162)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:22:26 AM EST
    She may not want the VP, but she may want to be an active part in getting her agenda active and working. That may be her bargaining point. I thought that was something I could live with. If she is somehow given the ability to enact some of the policies she has, that would be great! I would prefer she didn't play VP second fiddle, unless of course it is put out in advance and some of her policies are hers to move forward. I looked at policies/statements side by side with Obama on some things that are more day to day that aren't talked about. She def has more depth and teeth in hers.

    Oh, and I think a certain trio may be getting a stern letter from me tomorrow!

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    I think you are right (none / 0) (#225)
    by Prabhata on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:01:12 AM EST
    She said that in the speech.  She wants her health care and and she wants the solutions she's been pushing to become reality.  I think she'll want those solutions spelled out at the convention.

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    Yes, this is the letter we can send (5.00 / 3) (#172)
    by Cream City on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:27:56 AM EST
    to Pelosi and the poohbahs -- you pegged with that wonderful Clinton quote tonight:  

    Dear Nancy and minions,

    Now, now.  You're not respecting us, and you're treating us as invisible.  And you were told not to do that.  But you weren't listening again.  So listen up to this:  We just have to return the response and tell you that we don't respect you.  And poof! we just made you invisible to us.

    Signed,

    18 million Voters You Need

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    I agree with this (none / 0) (#104)
    by jcsf on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:01:52 AM EST
    while she has - legitimately - lost the race for the democratic nominee, her 18 million votes does put her first in line for the VP nod, if she wants it.

    That seems self-evident - and if you look at my former posts here, I am, and have been, a pretty strong Obama supporter.

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    jcsf, Hillary hasn't lost the nomination. (none / 0) (#161)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:21:49 AM EST
    She has the choice to concede, or take it to the Denver Convention; at which point she may emerge as  the nominee.

    That outcome will likely depend on how many times Obama shoots himself in the foot between now and August.

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    Why the urgency? (5.00 / 9) (#18)
    by dianem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:41:26 AM EST
    Is there a big deadline coming up that I'm not aware of? They have a convention in which, traditionally, candidates were chosen. They have grown comfortable with the event being nothing but a one week lightly watched ad for the party. I would think that they would really want to see people watching to see how the drama between Clinton and Obama played out. This is better than Survivor. Someone will be voted off the island - and 40 Million people will be watching to see who it is.

    No (3.00 / 2) (#113)
    by jcsf on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:04:16 AM EST
    As democrats, we need to RUN a general election campaign, a strong one.  The months of Sept, Oct, is not enough to do that, build on the Democratic wave, to help elect other democrats across the country, down ticket.

    Now that all the votes are settled, we do need to come together.

    And as I've said, she does have the legitimate claim to the VP, if she wants it.

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    Right Now! (5.00 / 9) (#141)
    by BDB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:13:38 AM EST
    You do realize that there's a difference between saying wait until September and wait 48 hours or, heck even a week, during which Obama will be kicking off his GE campaign and Hillary will not be campaigning publicly against him since there are no more primaries?

    I swear there's this weird idea that's taken hold that unity means declaring a winner.  That's crap.  Unity is having a winner the party is willing to rally around.  It's a lot more likely the latter will happen if the party shows some respect to Hillary and her supporters and one way to do that is to give them a little bit of time.  The surest way not to do that is to go around the next several days kicking Hillary - and by extension her supporters - in the teeth all the while demanding unity.  Unity isn't something that's demanded, it's something that's awarded.  The only people who can award it to Obama are the voters.  

    And that's what the party leaders are really pissed about.  They can give Obama all the delegates they want, but what they can't do is make people unify.  But the more they try to force it, the worse it's going to be for Obama and the party.  People already feel like their voices don't count, repeatedly telling them they have no choice isn't exactly a prescription for curing that.

    Voters are kind of funny in that they seem to think they get to decide who'll they will vote for and who they want.  And they don't react well to being told otherwise.  Unless, of course, the DNC thinks it can convene another meeting in November to reassign votes from McCain to Obama.  Then, this is all good.

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    I think they truly believe (5.00 / 8) (#188)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:33:06 AM EST
    that the only thing standing in the way of unity is Hillary's conscession.  They see no blame or fault in their own thuggish selves, the media, etc.

    Me, I think the only thing standing in the way of utter revolt is that Hillary's still in the race.

    I don't think these morons understand voters at all.

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    Yes (5.00 / 5) (#224)
    by CognitiveDissonance on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:56:54 AM EST
    What they really need to be afraid of is how many people cut up their dem voter registration and go independent after they kick Hillary out. They're already hurting for money, and I have a big suspicion that Obots don't give money to the DNC like Hillary's long-time dem supporters did. So many of us have already quit funding them that they're hurting big time. It's amazing how willing they are to throw us under the bus for this fraud.


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    This is brilliantly said: (5.00 / 4) (#217)
    by Valhalla on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:49:51 AM EST
    I swear there's this weird idea that's taken hold that unity means declaring a winner.  That's crap.  Unity is having a winner the party is willing to rally around.

    Same as folks who demand loyalty -- it has to be earned, or it's not loyalty.

    Well, well, well, they can have their showtrial unity.  I'll be over in this other corner, because only the real thing is good enough for me.

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    I have NO problem with a few days (none / 0) (#191)
    by jcsf on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:35:14 AM EST
    Or a couple of weeks.  But not til the convention, clearly.

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    Sorry, but if a few days is going to (5.00 / 5) (#149)
    by Valhalla on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:16:54 AM EST
    make the difference between winning and losing in November, then they don't deserve to win.

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    Color me unimpressed (5.00 / 7) (#21)
    by suki on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:42:54 AM EST
    but I will send my own stern letter to all of them.
    The difference is, I'll mean it.

    What the hell? (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by sunshineyellow on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:43:25 AM EST
    A stern letter? I don't understand this. This was a very close race. I don't see the need for her to abject herself. Will they not be happy until she kisses Obama's feet? I don't understand the Democratic Party anymore.

    They have no clue (5.00 / 11) (#25)
    by Teresa on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:43:44 AM EST
    The move, which had been anticipated but seemed unnecessary following Obama's clinching of the nomination on Tuesday night, is an indication that few figures beyond Clinton's utmost loyalists are willing to stomach a prolonged vacation period for the New York Democrat to make up her mind.

    Count me as an utmost loyalist. And a voter.

    Now I have to write my Reps (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by waldenpond on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:44:01 AM EST
    and mock them.  Might as well drop Pelosi a line while I'm at it.  

    Here's a great piece from Corrente for a night time laugh:

    Future News: Lost Tribe Of Hillary Holdouts Discovered
    By Bringiton

    All that is missing (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:50:39 AM EST
    is the Hillary haka:

    Link

    That was Hillary-arious!

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    hilarious! (5.00 / 1) (#195)
    by txpolitico67 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:36:30 AM EST
    i am sitting here LOL!  my dogs are like WTF???

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    Our ridiculous party (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by SueBonnetSue on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:44:24 AM EST
    couldn't look any worse if they were trying.  

    This is so bad, I have to think it's a joke.  Spill it BTD, it's a joke?  Right?

    I hope my 73 year old mother doesn't see that (5.00 / 6) (#32)
    by Chamonix on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:45:14 AM EST
    letter. She might write one back telling the Democratic party to F.O. She, like many of Hillary's ardent supporters need a little more time for the acceptance part of her losing the nomination. My mom would never vote for McCain, but she has talked about staying away this november if her girl Hillary is not treated with the respect that she deserves, being the first woman to make it this far in an election for the presidential nominee. My mom also thinks Hillary deserves the VP Slot. A lot of Obama's supporters just don't get it. Talk about living in a small bubble. Hillary has her own movement and she understands it is not that easy to move almost 18 million people, especially some of the elderly females who have been dreaming of this moment since they were little girls. Kid Gloves and I think Obama gets it. The press and Obama party activists just don't  seem to get it. If the ladies stay away, it will be hello President McCain.

    the "nomination" (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by margph on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:01:18 AM EST
    The nomination has not been secured.  Someone saying they have the nomination is not how it is done.  Hello August.  Hello Denver.  Even the supers saying they are for or not for someone is not written in stone.  It is not done yet.  Tell your mother she can put away her handkerchief.  The time to cry would be if O. got it on the first ballot.  Then she can threaten to vote for McCain.

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    Hahahaha (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by SueBonnetSue on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:45:26 AM EST
    Perfect!!!!  We are truly the party of the incompetents lead by the inept.  

    Oh let 'em do it (5.00 / 6) (#37)
    by txpolitico67 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:47:16 AM EST
    I would pay my a whole year's salary if Bill and Hillary Clinton came out with a letter of their own saying:

    Dear Chairman Dean,

    We want to thank you for your efforts in the primary season.  However, due to demands put forth by you and other party elders, we find it best to seek an Independent party path to the Presidency of the United States.

    We want to thank the Democratic party for its former support.  

    Sincerely,
    President William Jefferson Clinton
    Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton

    Boy...talk about the sound of dynamite and a building being demolished....KABOOM!  I know that the Clintons would never do that, but it doesn't cost a nickel to dream, and it would be SWEET to see the Democratic party sweat it out!

    Here's a visual to help with the letter (none / 0) (#54)
    by txpolitico67 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:50:21 AM EST
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=7Ng5qwtR59A

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    I like it already (none / 0) (#235)
    by Prabhata on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:24:45 AM EST
    I've been saying that, but I know is a pipe dream.  How about getting the VP from McCain.  They are friends, you know.  He can promise that he'll only do 4 years and then she can run for POTUS.  That would bring all the moderate Republicans and Democrats together. KABOOM! That's true unity.

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    I Know I Said This Earlier Today (5.00 / 10) (#40)
    by BDB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:47:58 AM EST
    But after watching Saturday, I cannot believe Democrats ever win an election.  These people are beyond stupid.  They don't have any idea how to unify a party or win an election.   Clearly, I didn't add enough points to my Obama meltdown odds for the "support" he's going to get from party elders.  If they aren't careful, they are going to single handedly melt him down.  

    Never underestimate the ability of the Democrats to lose an election.

    18 MILLION democrat supporters (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by SueBonnetSue on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:48:35 AM EST
    What part of that do they NOT understand?  

    Is there any particular reason that they want to alienate ALL 18 million of us?  

    Maybe (5.00 / 1) (#209)
    by Nadai on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:45:34 AM EST
    they're going for the Guinness Book of World Records?  I'd say they're off to a good start if so.

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    Yes. It's a record they want to keep (none / 0) (#236)
    by Prabhata on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:26:34 AM EST
    Losing is their lifelong dream

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    Aren't these the same leaders... (5.00 / 8) (#44)
    by citizen53 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:49:00 AM EST
    who assumed the majority in 2006, then worked so hard to pursue the people's agenda and get us out of Iraq?

    I think so. My nephew has been there (5.00 / 4) (#66)
    by Teresa on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:53:17 AM EST
    exacly 12 months today. For the fourth time. I'm so glad they found their voices.

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    I hope your nephew is safe. (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Esme on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:54:57 AM EST
    And wish him all the best!

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    They're trying to put some .... (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by dwmorris on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:49:29 AM EST
    "accomplished" in Obama's Mission Accomplished declaration.

    It's hard to call him the presumptive nominee with a straight face until he gets to 2210 --- and he can't get to 2210 with a bunch of SD fence sitters.

    Whatever magic number they're currently using is pretty meaningless as long as Clinton has reserved her right to appeal the RBC decision (assuming she is prepared to act on her threat).

    Holy guh (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by phat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:49:40 AM EST
    Seriously.

    W! T! F!

    Cato! (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by andgarden on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:49:50 AM EST


    Cato, my little yellow friend. (none / 0) (#229)
    by Prabhata on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:07:25 AM EST


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    Once again Obama is made to look week (5.00 / 7) (#49)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:50:01 AM EST
    He should be making the deal, not his older uncles and aunties.  It's none of their business.  

    weak...duh (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:50:16 AM EST


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    Sternly worded? OMFG I'm trembling with mirth! (5.00 / 4) (#62)
    by Ellie on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:52:12 AM EST
    Gah, how pathetic is it to have taken THIS route to know how it feels to be a Repug?

    Again, why the frack didn't someone tell me it would be this much fun?

    No wonder my Dad still has all his hair, albeit in a better style than the standard issue Repug snap-on they get when they join the party. (The men, that is, not the pate-shaming Kelly Conaway (sp?) Wienerhead that the womenfolk get.)

    Maybe it is their symbolic gesture (5.00 / 4) (#171)
    by felizarte on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:27:46 AM EST
    of driving a stake into Hillary's heart because they look upon her as the undead who somehow keeps rising out of her casket. That is certainly a serious case of derangement.  Poor things.

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    You forgot to say (5.00 / 15) (#63)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:52:31 AM EST
    Kumbaya.

    Chuckle... (5.00 / 5) (#76)
    by MisterPleasant on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:54:56 AM EST
    Kumbaya indeed.  And I am still waiting for my pony!

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    What on earth is wrong with these (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by masslib on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:53:27 AM EST
    people?  Seriously.  What the heck is this about?

    Ah . . . (5.00 / 19) (#73)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:54:25 AM EST
    The HAMMMER!! Well, that's different.

    No one expects the Spanish Inquisition! (5.00 / 9) (#86)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:56:39 AM EST
    The comfy chair, the soft pillows, Oh my! the stern letter!

    Recant!

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    you made me spit out my drink.... (n/t) (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:01:01 AM EST


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    Yes, The Famed Democratic Hammer! (5.00 / 18) (#109)
    by BDB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:03:38 AM EST
    Unity through brickbats!  It's a new kind of politics.

    You know, most of the time watching Democrats stamping their feet and making unenforceable demands infuriates me, but when you're a supporter of the person they are ineffectually threatening it's kind of fun!

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    I know! (5.00 / 6) (#124)
    by andgarden on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:08:28 AM EST
    Through the looking glass, isn't it?

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    The next Open Thread music: (5.00 / 9) (#74)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:54:32 AM EST
    Judy Collins, "Send In the Clowns."

    Just my suggestion, since I don't know too many songs titled "Oh my F***ing Aunt Sallie!"

    My chest hurts I laughed so hard at that. (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by Teresa on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:01:03 AM EST


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    and they're going after mr. 21% any day now (5.00 / 4) (#78)
    by Turkana on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:55:03 AM EST
    just you wait!

    and wait...

    and wait...

    Heh (5.00 / 5) (#220)
    by BDB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:52:57 AM EST
    I think this campaign proves that the Democrats do not have some mysterious tactical plan that is impossible to discern, they're just plain weak and inept.  That's how they've appeared the last eight years and on Saturday we got to watch it on live tv.

    Which is why Hillary is going to get everything she wants.  These folks don't have the stones to fight her.  They have tipped their hand.  They are terrified of this fight lasting until next week, much less August.  I mean, they've already pulled out their biggest gun, the stern letter and it hasn't even been 24 hours.

    BTW, apparently Bill Clinton announced tonight that his foundation has been suffering without him and he must get back to work there immediately.  May not have the time to campaign this Fall as much as he would like.  Terrible shame.  I'm sure he could've been very helpful to Obama and uniting the party, but duty calls.  Too bad what with his 65% approval rating.

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    As BTD (5.00 / 6) (#84)
    by LoisInCo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:56:28 AM EST
    pointed out about McCain's speech, this gives Clinton supporters an excuse not unite. Instead of letting us blow off steam and grumble our way to a stop, they fill our tank. Over and over and over again. We don't mind really. Keep it coming.

    My only concern (5.00 / 6) (#106)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:03:09 AM EST
    is I'll run out of bailing wire for all of my last straws.

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    Please don't delete this (5.00 / 7) (#94)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:58:59 AM EST
    Everyone needs to see it.
    Unity (5.00 / 4) (#101)
    by janarchy on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:01:04 AM EST
    it's what's for dinner. A pony in every pot!

    Nah he's Mr Bean (5.00 / 0) (#108)
    by Salo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:03:25 AM EST
    oaaaahhhhh!

    I feel completely disrespected. (5.00 / 5) (#111)
    by masslib on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:03:58 AM EST
    I tell you, I don't think Obama is qualified for the Presidency, but with Hill's miraculous win in SD, I thought, well, he'll have to offer her VP.  And, my thought was I could see a "Hillary for VP bumpersticker" on my car.  I'd vote for VP for the first time in my adult life.  But, no.  These jokers don't get it.  I AM NOT INCLINED TO VOTE FOR OBAMA.  And, there are millions of people like me out there.  But, they can't even respect us.  They don't even allow for any sort of negotiation.  I am so glad I unaffiliated.

    you've got it backwards, we don't need you (5.00 / 16) (#114)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:04:29 AM EST
    any more. We don't need to get over ourselves. We are just fine and dandy. It's you who needs us. 18 million voters. We'll be fine. We'll be thinking about Hillary running in 4 years against McCain.

    Of course, if you decide you'd like us 18 million voters help, well, then, you might want to think about how you want to talk to us.

    Yep, I'm feeling the power.

    I figured (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:07:27 AM EST
    you need this too:

    Link

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    perfect!! thanks. n/t (none / 0) (#151)
    by DandyTIger on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:17:46 AM EST


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    Jeralyn's next video (5.00 / 0) (#136)
    by waldenpond on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:12:10 AM EST
    feel the power!!!!  

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    don't mislead people here (5.00 / 6) (#117)
    by margph on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:06:28 AM EST
    As you say "majority of Democrats chose Obama as their agent of change" ---- well, they didn't choose him as the nominee.  The caucus states with their delegate count and a complicit MSM has enabled and encouraged him to declare himself the assumed nominee.  The math doesn't match the statement.  The statement is not the truth, merely a statement.  Denver.  Remember Denver.

    I somehow get a feeling that (5.00 / 9) (#119)
    by Serene1 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:07:04 AM EST
    that neither is this about Obama winning the nomination nor is it about party unity anymore, I feel it is more about humiliating the Clintons.

    The MSM were disappointed today because Hillary didn't allow them to get a chance at going at the Clintons tonight.
    The Dem elites very well know that it is only a matter of time before Hillary concedes but instead of allowing her the liberty to do so at her own time they want to push this through to show them (Clintons) who is the boss (just like last Saturday where they had to steal the 4 delegates from her).

    Well! Well! after all this if Pelosi still expects us to fall in line she has something coming.

    Yes (5.00 / 9) (#123)
    by phat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:08:11 AM EST
    Let's just beat down 18 Million votes and almost half the delegates at the convention!

    Shirts and skins (none / 0) (#218)
    by phat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:51:09 AM EST
    Are you actually, you know, serious?

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    Wouldn't it B cool if the wheezing BO NonMovement (5.00 / 2) (#131)
    by Ellie on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:11:07 AM EST
    ... were replaced by a gorgeous groundswell of a real, new, fresh movement led by the only candidate good enough to be MY President, and that every child and young person I know deserve as their model of the highest office in the land.

    If Obama wins the nomination or, by an unforseen planetary catastrophe the White House, the highest office in the land will belong to his marketing hacks and dirty tricksters.

    BTW, the split screen action of the Obama speech tiled against a fabulously appointed Michelle, loping around like a stevedore in her sexy dress for the cheering crowd, reminded me of the vaudevillian gag of the xylophonist with a tassel-swirling belly dancer behind him.

    This is less a reflection of Michelle Obama as the happenstance of the TV frame.

    LOL I thought for sure BTD was (5.00 / 5) (#132)
    by Valhalla on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:11:19 AM EST
    being satirical, but all the comments convinced me it's true.

    Thanks you, Hillary, for kickin' their asses.

    And thank you every one who commented above, I have not laughed so hard in weeks.

    Saturday's kangaroo show. (5.00 / 6) (#133)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:11:23 AM EST
    THAT was party insiders to the max.

    Oh my gawd (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by Stellaaa on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:14:00 AM EST
    watching I guess Russert rerun and he is showing his man crush on Obama and McCain.  Gawd....makes me barf.  

    The funny part is that the MSM is going to be (5.00 / 2) (#144)
    by Serene1 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:14:42 AM EST
    very upset with Pelosi and Co. on this. After going to town about how Obama has clinched the nomination and is the nominee yada yada they won't be very happy with Pelosi reminding them with the letter that Obama has still not clinched the nomination.

    Its truly a mad mad world.

    We need a new party (5.00 / 3) (#145)
    by nellre on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:14:49 AM EST
    This one is broken.

    CAT FIGHT--Nancy needs to chiilll (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by janedw420 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:16:31 AM EST
    I hope you are taking notes on your reps. Don't forget who they supported, but more important, how they responded. Nancy reminds me of an aging cheerleader who must always win the popularity contest. Get over yourself Nancy! Not attacking her because she is a woman, but it burns me when other women don't allow time for healing, and time to make the CORRECT political moves.

    Yawn (5.00 / 6) (#148)
    by Steve M on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:16:52 AM EST
    Poor Hillary.  She has no one on her side except the voters.  Somehow she'll soldier on.

    Now, if Patrick Leahy were signing the letter, then there would be reason to worry.

    If Hillary became an (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by Grace on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:21:26 AM EST
    Independent, would that be "change" enough for you?  

    didn't you know - stern letters are our party (5.00 / 7) (#159)
    by tandem5 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:21:30 AM EST
    leadership's specialty. Filibusters and holding one's ground... not so much, but let me tell you I've seen cover letters to non-binding petitions that will make you blush!!

    Nancy? Is that you? Madame Speaker (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by catfish on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:24:11 AM EST
    I am surprised you blog here at TalkLeft. Thank you for your concern.

    It's Nancy (5.00 / 2) (#192)
    by hlr on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:35:38 AM EST
    and it's Hammer Time!

    with her broke-ass backup band, the DNC.

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    Get over ourselves? (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by daria g on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:26:50 AM EST
    Feel the unity!

    Note, if you read the other comments - we are LAUGHING at this stuff now.

    Here's another one: (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by Grace on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:42:00 AM EST
    Obama won it that's the end of the story.

    Yeah!  Send that Phony Pony right over here!  

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    The hammer falls? (5.00 / 3) (#184)
    by hlr on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:32:15 AM EST
    What on earth does that mean?

    If ALL the SDs desert Clinton tomorrow, nothing is different from today.

    Y'know, I couldn't think how to reply (5.00 / 6) (#202)
    by Cream City on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:41:31 AM EST
    to you and Nancy.  And then it came to me in . . . a vision, as if I'd seen it on video.

    Picture me putting on some hip-hop music.

    Then putting my finger to my face, smirking.

    And then brushing you off my shoulder and shoe like dogs**t.  

    My apologies to the dogs of the world, of course.  They're much nicer than you or Nancy.

    OMG this is hysterical (5.00 / 3) (#222)
    by ap in avl on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:55:47 AM EST
    I know we're not supposed to do this and I'll probably get deleted but this has to be the funniest thing I've read today.  

    Yes....this should be archived.  It's a classic.

    Or could this be a leaked copy of "Teh Very Very Stern Letter"?

    x (5.00 / 2) (#234)
    by CognitiveDissonance on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:21:14 AM EST
    Give it a rest. We don't have to do anything we don't want to do. And many of us don't want to vote for Obama, no matter how much you scream about unity. Quite frankly, my dear, we just don't give a damn. Believe it.

    LOL (5.00 / 4) (#240)
    by Prabhata on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:36:14 AM EST
    Obama supporters don't get it.  It's not Hillary that's standing in the way of the unity schtik.  It's her supporters who don't want Obama.  It's people like me, whose stomach is turned into a throw-up mode just listening to him because we've supporter her candidacy with 25, 50, 10, 5 dollars and our votes.  She cannot quit because we don't let her.  She's a politician who hears our cry: Don't let a bad candidate get the nomination because we don't want him.  Don't let Obama win because we cannot vote for him.  So all those people in TX, OH, PA, KY, WV, PR, IN, and SD disregarded the "Obama has the math" story and kept her going.  Hillary would have folded without us.

    Odd (1.00 / 2) (#7)
    by SpinDoctor on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:38:46 AM EST
    I am not sure what the issue is with this approach.  Apparently you concede Armando that Obama is the presumptive nominee.  Given that, what is so wrong about requesting that all party leaders unite behind the nominee and focus their attention on McCain?  What benefit is gained by spending the next two months having our nominee dealing with attacks from two camps?

    When was the last time (5.00 / 5) (#13)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:40:14 AM EST
    Clinton attacked Obama?

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    Necause why do we need a letter (5.00 / 14) (#19)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:42:03 AM EST
    for that?Have you ever heard of such a thing?

    It is ridiculous. I can not believe how you do not see how ridiculous this is.

    And what if peopole decide eff you. then what?

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    The result will still be the same (1.00 / 1) (#34)
    by ksh on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:45:44 AM EST
    but it shows cohesion and sends a message that the result is irreversible. It's time to make sure the battle is over and we focus on November.

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    Uh huh (5.00 / 9) (#64)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:52:35 AM EST
    Great idea. Let's see how it works out.

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    the results are NOT (5.00 / 8) (#182)
    by txpolitico67 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:31:17 AM EST
    irreversible.  Damn donchu people pick up an effing history book in your life?

    FDR didn't get the nom until the FOURTH ballot at the convention.  you people are so into instant gratification.  this process needs to take its course, despite your obvious A.D.D.

    Man those Obama low info voters need to go to school!

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    oops, I forgot to add (none / 0) (#211)
    by ksh on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:46:46 AM EST
    a gratuitous insult in my comment. Can we just assume it's there? My thinking pan hurts.

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    u poor sweetie (5.00 / 3) (#219)
    by txpolitico67 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:52:00 AM EST
    you run along now and iron my shirt...like a good little sweetie does.

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    They want a show of solidarity (1.00 / 8) (#36)
    by SpinDoctor on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:46:20 AM EST
    No letter would have been necessary if Senator Clinton recognized Obama as the presumptive nominee.  Now look, I know passions are running hot here because of the support for Senator Clinton.  However, what is most important now is not the feelings of Senator Clinton, but ensuring that we recapture the White House.  If her ambiguous message tonight is interpreted by party elders as a sign to allow this primary campaign to futilely go on until the end of August, then our Party will have no chance against McCain.  

    Clinton could have gone a long way tonight towards healing the party.  For whatever reason, she chose not to.  The letter being sent is a direct result of her statements tonight and are being done for the betterment of the Party, not for any individual.  Surely you can see that.

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    LOLOLOLOLOL (5.00 / 13) (#41)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:48:18 AM EST
    I just have to laugh now.

    There's nothing anyone can do.

    Here we go!

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    Laugh all you want (1.00 / 4) (#56)
    by SpinDoctor on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:50:34 AM EST
    But the responsibility of the Party is to advance the interests of the Party, not any individual.  The "stern letter" that Armando is referring to is not even asking the super delegates to commit to Obama -- just to commit to either one.  By requesting they make their decision known, it puts an end to the primary season chapter and brings some finality to the race.  So what exactly is the harm in asking the SDs to do their job sooner than later?

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    Advance the interest (5.00 / 7) (#61)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:52:06 AM EST
    being the part that you seem to not get.

    this does NOT advance anything.

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    Sure it does (1.25 / 4) (#81)
    by SpinDoctor on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:55:40 AM EST
    It removes the Super Delegates from the equation.  It allows Clinton supporters to accept the inevitable.  As long as these delegates remain uncommitted, it allows this campaign to continue for no good reason.  It only harms the party.  Look at your comment threads Armando -- it is full of an unrepentant vitriol and a level of denial that is counter-productive to winning in November.  No one is demanding that the SDs commit to Obama, just that they choose one or the other so there is one less talking point out there to create more flame-infested debates like the ones taking place on this site.

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    What freaking equation? (5.00 / 13) (#91)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:58:27 AM EST
    What part do you not understand. Obama is the nominee. Now we need to unite the Party.

    What if clinton says eff you and her fierce supporters among the "SDs say eff you? there is no door. this i over.

    Let this work out.

    It is confirmed. We are the stupidest effing political party in history.

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    that is AWESOME (5.00 / 7) (#170)
    by txpolitico67 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:27:18 AM EST
    "we are the stupidest effing political party in history"

    I say that needs to be a plaque they can hang over the doors at every Democratic headquarters! LOL!

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    There are only two paths to finality (5.00 / 5) (#210)
    by dwmorris on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:46:34 AM EST
    • Clinton or Obama concedes
    • the SDs vote in August

    Nothing else.

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    No no no no (5.00 / 3) (#71)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:54:05 AM EST
    you're right.  Carry on.


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    Sooner than later? Still UNVETTED (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by janedw420 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:32:19 AM EST
    Barry doesn't have a year on the job. Even bank and fast food applications want to know what you've been doing for the last THREE YEARS

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    Their job is to vote in August at the convention (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by dwmorris on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:32:52 AM EST
    Declaring now is just meaningless political theater unless you somehow feel that Obama prematurely declared his victory and needs additional validation.

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    I think you just spelled out the (5.00 / 2) (#214)
    by Grace on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:48:58 AM EST
    reason why this country needs MORE PARTIES!  

    The Democrats and the Republicans are advancing their own interests, not the interests of the people.  

    Democracy demands that the people be heard!  If the Democrats and the Republicans aren't capable of handling that, then we need other parties that can do it.  


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    Listen. Her recognition tonight was to the (5.00 / 9) (#50)
    by Teresa on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:50:03 AM EST
    18 million people who have voted for her. We deserve it. If a little respect had been shown to her and to us, we wouldn't be in this mess.

    When Ed Schulz of all people gets it, you'd think our party leaders would.

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    Yup (5.00 / 3) (#166)
    by Valhalla on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:24:36 AM EST
    She wasn't talking to you.  She was talking to us.   All 18 million of us.

    Didn't anyone ever tell you it's impolite to eavesdrop on other people's conversations?

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    I did listen (1.25 / 4) (#65)
    by SpinDoctor on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:52:40 AM EST
    I saw a very magnanimous Barack Obama heap compliments on Hillary Clinton tonight.  I watched the 20,000 people in attendance give her multiple standing ovations.  He was respectful and honored her appropriately.  Someone had to lose this race and the 18 million people who voted for Obama probably feel they are owed some respect as well.  Until you realize that both sides have legitimate issues, but hopefully one goal, then we can actually start to move forward.  Or you can keep fighting this for the next 4 years.

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    you are right (5.00 / 5) (#85)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:56:32 AM EST
    Which makes this letter a ridiculously stupid thing to do. What part of that are you not getting?

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    But Only One of Them (5.00 / 13) (#87)
    by BDB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:56:50 AM EST
    Needs the other's voters to be president in November.

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    If he's shown that respect (5.00 / 5) (#180)
    by daria g on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:30:30 AM EST
    Anytime prior to this, when it counted, I'd take it seriously now.

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    I'm sure the letter will be wonderfully received (5.00 / 13) (#60)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:51:29 AM EST
    by the Clinton Wing of the Party. a BRILLINAT PLAN for unity.

    you gotta be shi**ing me.

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    You know (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by phat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:53:30 AM EST
    I don't think my passions were running that hot until I read about this.

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    But This Is Just Stupid (5.00 / 13) (#80)
    by BDB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:55:24 AM EST
    They don't even give her one day?  Really?  Because even though she didn't say she was taking it to the convention and isn't going around campaigning against Obama and Obama declared victory tonight and will kick off his GE campaign tomorrow, they absolutely have to do this RIGHT NOW!

    They have absolutely no idea how to unify the party because they are children.  They think if they stamp their feet everyone will do what they say.  There's at least four problems with that: 1) they haven't done anything to earn that kind of leadership role, you can't be weak for eight years and then act like you're some sort of leader; 2) more people support Hillary Clinton than any of these three folks; 3) getting a lot more SD support for Obama doesn't do a damned thing to get more support from voters and, in fact, makes Obama look even more like the candidate of the elite and a weak one at that (he needs Nancy and Harry and Howard to demand unity, I thought that was his specialty); and 4) separate from Hillary, a lot of voters are still very angry at the Dem. party leadership over Saturday so it's kind of stupid politics to kick them in the teeth again so soon after that debacle.  

    Once again, if they care about making Obama president, this is lousy politics.

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    If you want to win the WH (5.00 / 4) (#83)
    by suki on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:55:59 AM EST
    you'd better be concerned about Senator Clinton's feeling and those of her VOTERS.
    How hard is this to understand?


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    Very odd (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by waldenpond on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:21:37 AM EST
    we just had someone here named blueinvenice.

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    If Obama waits there's a silver lining for him. (5.00 / 4) (#198)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:38:50 AM EST
    I'm an intractable Clinton supporter.

    But, Obama supporters could look at it this way: the GOP won't go into full-bore attack mode against Obama until he becomes the OFFICIAL nominee.

    The longer Hillary stays in, the less time the GOP has to single-mindedly attack Obama. He could ride that E-ticket all the way to the Convention.

    However, the Dem Establishment don't want to avail Obama of that privilege because they're afraid Hillary may still win once they get to the Convention.

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    Aren't we the kind and caring party? (none / 0) (#238)
    by SueBonnetSue on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 02:31:45 AM EST
    Concerned about people's feelings?  

    Apparently not.  

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    Um...what you don't seem to understand.... (5.00 / 12) (#92)
    by cosbo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:58:33 AM EST
    is that most Clinton supporters think that Obama is unelectable and will not win the WH for us in the fall. I figure that's what is causing 80% of the hatred towards Obama...he is a very weak GE candidate in a year that we should have won in a cakewalk, we're are now just "HOPING" that we can win.

    Now I know Obama supporters on the blog like to post nonsense about us coming together and working so that he doesn't lose. But that argument is worthless on the blogs. All 200,000 of us who blogs do not chose the presidency. The people who chose the president are the ones Obama outspent Clinton 4 to 1 in OH, PA, TX, WV for and still LOST. Probably a handful of them blog. If he can spend that much and still lose...then to my little feeble mind, we might be looking at an expansion of red states under President Johnny Mac.

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    SpinDoc, read your first sentence (5.00 / 5) (#135)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:11:55 AM EST
    "No letter would have been necessary if Senator Clinton recognized Obama as the presumptive nominee."

    Recognizing Obama as "the presumptive nominee", is called conceding. If, and when, that happens Obama will be the OFFICIAL nominee.

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    You wouldn't happen (5.00 / 7) (#193)
    by Nadai on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:36:06 AM EST
    to have a copy of the stern letter the DNC sent to
    the superdelegates in 1984, warning them to come out for either Gary Hart or Walter Mondale and settle things once and for all?  How about the one in 1980, when Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter both went to the convention?  How about the one in 1988 when Jesse Jackson stayed in?

    I wonder, what could be different this time to make it so reasonable to demand that one candidate not take it to the convention?  What could it be?

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    Apparently, Obama hasn't won yet (5.00 / 10) (#206)
    by Cream City on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:44:38 AM EST
    since he needs Aunt Nancy to send a stern letter to get him more super-delegates.  Do you even get that? Since when did a presumptive nominee need more delegates?

    This is so funny, if it weren't so sad for the Dems.  Doesn't matter to me; I'm under the bus.  But you seem to care, so you might want to tell Nancy that this is a big Obamabooboo.

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    Letter - Dean / Pelosi (1.00 / 7) (#97)
    by eagleye on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:00:27 AM EST
    Can we just calm down a bit?  The story about the supposed letter from Dean and Pelosi is an unsourced article, posted on Huffington Post.  There are no other articles that back it up-- it's merely an Internet rumor at this stage of the game.

    And even if it is true, so what?  Are we surprised that Party officials would like to get focused on the road ahead?  That is their job.  Obama has won the nomination, and Hillary should have conceded tonite.  What purpose is served by extending the drama?

    This threat... (none / 0) (#31)
    by lansing quaker on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:44:37 AM EST
    Reminds me nothing more of this scene from Team America.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn3JJJZJHWo

    Comparing Reid/Pelosi/Dean to Blix.
    NOT comparing HRC to Kim Jong Il.

    But the point stands.  Toothless.  Do some real work, Dems.

    BTD (none / 0) (#75)
    by soccermom on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 12:54:52 AM EST
    Your comment (#62) on the last topic...did you already know that Pelosi was sending a stern letter or do you think they read it and decided it was a good idea?

    I was makiing a joke (5.00 / 3) (#105)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 01:02:57 AM EST
    I thought.

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    no pony (none / 0) (#244)
    by jjsmoof on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:09:06 AM EST
    I don't want a pony, i want a PUMA /snark off.  

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