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    Where is Hillary? (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:49:42 PM EST


    hopefully drinking pina coladas in the Bahamas (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by Josey on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:01:11 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Wherever she is (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by Burned on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:03:42 PM EST
    She's not in a room where people are telling her to get out 24/7.

    It would take me years and years of meditation, hypnotherapy, and kickboxing lessons to get over this campaign.


    [ Parent ]

    Read yesterday (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Valhalla on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:13:05 PM EST
    that she's been at home spending time with Chelsea and Bill.  I can't find a link for it now, though.  Wherever I saw this (and I don't think it was someplace bad), also said that her and Obama's staffs were trying to set up a meeting time for them in the next few weeks.

    I was wondering what she was doing myself -- of course I hope she's taking a nice relaxing vacation -- because while she's out of the public eye the MSM still can't stop talking about her.

    I'm thinking now that the DNC and the Obama campaign will try not to have her campaign for him at all.  Or as little as possible.  The crush to eliminate her as a possible VP in people's minds seems to be going beyond into eliminating her popularity altogether.

    [ Parent ]

    It's been amusing to see the constant (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by davnee on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:34:44 PM EST
    "Where's Hillary?" headlines on the news sites.  They ran her out of town on a rail, and now they miss her like crazy.  Propping the messiah wannabe just isn't as much fun when you have to measure him up against the manly war hero rather than Lady Macbeth.

    [ Parent ]
    Maybe she's (5.00 / 0) (#70)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:44:07 PM EST
    blogging.  

    Hillary, are  you here?

    [ Parent ]

    Hee! I'd love that. (5.00 / 0) (#85)
    by Valhalla on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:57:14 PM EST
    Pew Research shows that 29% of the political coverage from June 2-8 was about what Hillary will do next. Sixteen percent (of total) was on just the Veep question alone.

    Aww, they miss her.

    [ Parent ]

    She should stay away as long as she likes (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:10:33 PM EST
    and I will not be sad if she doesn't campaign for obama.  I hope she is surrounded by her advisors putting a transition team together.  Wouldn't that chafe some behinds?

    [ Parent ]
    She has plenty of loyal friends to campaign (none / 0) (#138)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:43:36 PM EST
    for.

    I'm with you, Obama created the divide, he can beg for a reconciliation himself.

    Besides, if they are reading the new web sites against Obama, they know Hillary can't fix this.


    [ Parent ]

    I know she can't fix obama's snafu's (none / 0) (#142)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:52:18 PM EST
    but if for some reason he is doing so badly by August and was cast aside...I believe she would rise to the challenge.  

    [ Parent ]
    I totally agree (none / 0) (#144)
    by Valhalla on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:53:22 PM EST
    I don't want to see her campaign for him either, it would break my heart (some more).

    But I also don't want it to be because they are trying to disappear her from US politics or push her out of the VP possibility.  (I don't want her to be VP either).

    She represented the concerns of half the party, and trying to erase her from the equation just saying, once again, the new DNC doesn't give a fig about anything besides The One.

    [ Parent ]

    oh - puleeez (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by Josey on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:58:36 PM EST
    "Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic Party, who says he was slow to pick up on charges of sexism because he is not a regular viewer of cable television, is taking up the cause after hearing an outcry from what he described as a cross-section of women, from individual voters to powerful politicians and chief executives." NYT - 6/13/08

    Dean ignored the media's and Obama's race-baiting and sexism against the Clintons and now implies the public is stupid.


    Or in other words (5.00 / 4) (#24)
    by janarchy on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:03:41 PM EST
    "is taking up the cause after receiving hundreds of emails and letters from angry Democrats who have left the party and/or are refusing to give much needed money to the DNC, and has realised that perhaps Bank of Obama isn't as well stocked with cash as he originally believed."

    Of course, having people like Rahm Emanuel telling us to 'go back to our knitting' helps a lot too.

    (Btw, Rahm, here's a clue: Knitting is a hipster thing to do these days, doncha know? I bet more Obama supporters knit than non-Obama supporters.)

    [ Parent ]

    I knit... (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by kredwyn on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:13:49 PM EST
    It's fun.

    But I don't know as knitting is a correlation to being an Obama supporter...since I haven't been one of those.

    [ Parent ]

    It's actually kind of therapeutic, (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Anne on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:23:03 PM EST
    I've found - the mindlessness of it is calming and soothing...I've been trying to think of something sort of symbolic I could knit and send along to Rahm...

    Speaking of sending things to people, yesterday I got the mailer from Obama, with the glossy insert excerpting from his wondrous speeches, and a letter informing me what real change is - and of course, asking for money.

    I wrote on the contribution slip - "Take me off your mailing list," and then bundled up the whole appeal - glossy insert and all - and sent it back to him in the prepaid envelope...there's something he can do with his "change."

    [ Parent ]

    Hey! All I got was a lousy email (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Valhalla on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:04:44 PM EST
    ...from Howard Dean explaining to me what 'unity' means.  They must want your money more than mine.

    But see, Howard understands what I'm going through, because he too, has suffered the heartbreak of losing a race.  Give me an effing break.  So now you're all worried about my feelings?

    Probably not nearly as cathartic as mailing all their junk back to them, but I did take the time to type up a little synopsis of my intentions with regard to November.

    [ Parent ]

    anyone sending anything back to the DNC (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by dotcommodity on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:26:38 PM EST
    should demand to know why they are removing Hillary's name from the first ballot at Denver. My understanding is that is unprecedented, just like demanding that a tied competitor gets out of a race, etc.

    Likewise with Obama's campaign returns. It is only fair to lay out for them your reasons for rejection. Leverage is making your demands known: read Dr. Violet Socks today. Just being snippy is not being an effective activist. Lets not waste these opportunities to be heard.

    [ Parent ]

    I gave the DNC an eyeful when I sent (none / 0) (#129)
    by Anne on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:36:36 PM EST
    back their "survey" a week or so ago...I must have had a comment for every question they asked - they even had some space for "suggestions" for how the Democratic nominee can win in November - mine was "have Obama drop out and make Hillary the nominee, since she's the one who can actually win."

    Unfortunately, I sent the survey back before this latest development with the convention.  I had been wondering whether they would dispense with the traditional balloting and go for a nomination by acclamation - and looks like that is where they are headed.  They will tell us it's all about unity, but I think it's about being afraid that Clinton might be able to pull an upset and make them all look like the fools they are.

    [ Parent ]

    I received the same survey, (5.00 / 2) (#163)
    by mulletov cocktails on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 09:30:13 PM EST
    and sent the DNC a check for $0.00.

    [ Parent ]
    You could knit anything, really (none / 0) (#78)
    by dianem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:50:58 PM EST
    A pair of socks. A scarf. It would be quite cool if you could make a small scarf with a "C" on it. I wish like heck that I had paid better attention when my grandmother tried to teach me to crochet, but, alas...

    [ Parent ]
    I love to crochet (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by zyx on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:59:01 PM EST
    I know how to knit, and it's more the rage now, but I just don't like to knit as much. I wish I could round up crochet buddies.

    [ Parent ]
    How about a sock? (none / 0) (#79)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:54:12 PM EST
    Then he can stuff it.

    [ Parent ]
    I think we should (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:45:50 PM EST
    send Rahm knitted middle fingers.  

    [ Parent ]
    I was just thinking of that (none / 0) (#97)
    by janarchy on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:07:42 PM EST
    a cross between a mitten and a glove, but only with a middle finger on it.

    I can't knit to save my life. I can crochet, sculpt and a lot of other craft things, but knit? Nah.

    It just seems like knitting is all the rage these days with the same demographic that are Obama supporters, at least among the people I know. So it seemed pretty funny that Emanuel was out of touch with that too. Oh well...

    [ Parent ]

    It is (none / 0) (#179)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 10:55:11 PM EST
    It has replaced quilting which had become HUGE.

    Now, the quilting stores are half-knitting.

    [ Parent ]

    It still kind of boggles me (none / 0) (#181)
    by janarchy on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 11:02:04 PM EST
    how and why all these urban hipster girls/women think that knitting is like the coolest thing since emo bands and black nail polish.

    [ Parent ]
    Knit-cling (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by Valhalla on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:26:20 PM EST
    I think we can add knitting to the things all us bitter people cling to.  

    Whew!  I was really worried because I don't have a gun or a religion.

    [ Parent ]

    He's been getting those emails for months (none / 0) (#143)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:52:22 PM EST
    if he didn't look into it, it wasn't for lack of information that it was going on.

    His opening speech before the RBC met addressed the topic, but he balanced it with the racist claims and tried to make it look like it was equal and balanced on both sides.

    He's weak. The DNC should not be moving to Chicago before Obama is guaranteed the nomination. Even if he gets it, if he loses the election he won't be the head of the party, will he.

    As Clinton prepared to formally endorse his candidacy on Saturday, Obama said the Democratic National Committee would no longer accept donations from federal lobbyists or political action committees. He said he would keep Howard Dean as the national chairman, but was deploying his own advisers to oversee party operations.

    Article

    [ Parent ]

    Hillary was targeted with racism AND sexism! (5.00 / 1) (#161)
    by Josey on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 09:22:33 PM EST
    and Obama led the pack.
    Such a fine upstanding man (cough, cough)- silent while his team and the media manufactured smears and propaganda against the Clintons.


    [ Parent ]
    Too late Howard (5.00 / 5) (#27)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:05:02 PM EST
    You are exposed.


    [ Parent ]
    The reason he didn't speak up... (5.00 / 6) (#76)
    by dianem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:47:59 PM EST
    ...about sexism before was that the didn't want to appear to be taking sides in the primary. He didn't care enough about the sexism to risk his reputation by wading into the fray even enough to comment on sexism without endorsing Clinton. Now, he is speaking up because he wants all of our lovely votes and their polls have shown that a lot of women don't plan on voting Dem this year. If he actually cared about sexism he would have said something sooner. Well, Howard Dean... shove it. Next time you run an election, remember that you have to respond when the insult occurs, not pander to the voter's when the damage is already done. Women are 50% of those 50 states you keep talking about. We count. And we vote. But not necessarily for you candidate. Not this election cycle, anyway.

    It's funny, because 6 months ago I was firmly in the "anybody but a Republican" camp. I never imagined that I would get angry enough to switch to independent. I wonder how many other women feel the same way? I'm betting Dean knows exactly how many.

    [ Parent ]

    that's how I feel (5.00 / 3) (#99)
    by The Poster Formerly Known as cookiebear on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:10:29 PM EST
    6 months ago I was firmly in the "anybody but a Republican" camp. I never imagined that I would get angry enough to switch to independent. I wonder how many other women feel the same way? I'm betting Dean knows exactly how many.

    With some differences, of course.

    And I tried so hard, too. I really wanted to believe it would and could work. But I was wrong.

    So I'm right back where I started from, believing it really has nothing to do with me - it's only about the power brokers and the big shots and the like, the ones who can buy or scream or bully or shamelessly maneuver their way to the top with no regrets whatsoever.

    I have no idea what I'll do, come November. I know I won't vote McCain. But whether I'll vote for Obama is pretty questionable.

    This was a real eye opener for me. But it's made me glad that I've been so busy most of my life that I never really noticed how much the Dems really really despise females.

    [ Parent ]

    I found the article (5.00 / 2) (#184)
    by dianem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 11:43:56 PM EST
    Here is the link

    Just before the Dean comment.

    "Ms. Crowley said, "it was hard to know if these attacks were being made because she was a woman or because she was this woman or because, for a long time, she was the front-runner.""

    Why is it okay to say that the sexism may have been okay because it was directed at Hillary Clinton? Is it okay to direct racism at Obama, because he is the frontrunner? How about because some people don't like him? When did it become acceptable to make a sexist attack on somebody because of who they are?

    [ Parent ]

    I could believe that he wasn't paying attention. (none / 0) (#42)
    by Burned on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:18:05 PM EST
    He said stuff like this during his presidential run, about not seeing or even trying to see the cable news. He listened to NPR in his car or something like that.

    [ Parent ]
    I seem to remember that, too. (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by suki on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:29:30 PM EST
    But I find it extremely difficult to believe he wasn't aware of it from the avalanche of mail he must have received from all of the really pi$$ed off people who did see it. I know I sent more than one.

    [ Parent ]
    True (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Burned on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:36:43 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    he did not read it (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by sancho on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:54:14 PM EST
    and he did not think we meant it when someone mentioned it to him. he thought our concern was just "politics" (just folks agitating for their candidate) and who else are we going to vote for in the ge anyway. he's only now beginning to realize that people are really angry. for myself, i will be intersted to see if the anger holds in  the face of day to day contact with mccain.

    [ Parent ]
    Pretty weak, Howard. (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by caseyOR on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:56:21 PM EST
    I don't have cable, and I am painfully aware of the misogyny in the media.

    [ Parent ]
    Literal truth versus the whole truth (5.00 / 3) (#50)
    by Valhalla on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:30:05 PM EST
    It may be literally true that Dean didn't watch a lot of cable tv himself.

    But the idea that he was unaware of all the places where it took place -- the web, MSM and the campaign itself is laughable.

    These are pols.  They have agencies and staff who do nothing but moniter the media for them day and night and summarize coverage.  The idea that this campaign, where the pro-Obama message was so tightly tied between the DNC, the media and blogs could somehow be ignorant of what was going on is ridiculous.

    Seriously, over 20 years ago I had a summer internship in a minor state office where my entire job was summarizing news clips about my boss.

    Plus even if was unaware, is that an acceptable excuse?  Please.  Oh, ok Howard, half your base is becoming ticked off but you didn't notice?

    [ Parent ]

    Kurt Andersen (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:01:39 PM EST
    And New York magazine ponders electability issues.  See no. 2.

    http://nymag.com/news/imperialcity/47551/

    I would like to suggest a no. 11 scenario.

    11.  Obama supporters like Kurt Andersen lying about Clinton keeps backlash alive up until election day.

    I have a theory.  Obama wants to lose because then he can blame Clinton for that too!


    DNC (5.00 / 5) (#32)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:08:26 PM EST
    Howard Dean's leadership of the DNC is a complete disaster. He sat back and let  FL and MI get totally out of control. (It will definitely cost the Dem's FL) He could have stepped in 2 months earlier and insisted on a resolution rather than picking sides. (Another blunder) Now they're in panic because they have no money! Maybe if they hadn't shattered the party, they'd have their money. I wouldn't contribute a penney to any organization that has been run this bad.

    From the Obama's campaign POV (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:21:06 PM EST
    He's been very reliable.


    [ Parent ]
    Dean Has Done Well (none / 0) (#106)
    by Spike on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:12:22 PM EST
    He was dealt a tough hand with the FL/MI mess. But he handled it in an even-handed manner and brought it to a fair conclusion just before the end of the primaries. His 50 state strategy was perfectly timed for a resurgence in the Democratic party. He has not done well raising money for the DNC, but he has had to compete with all the presidential candidates, the DSCC and the DCCC, which have all enjoyed record performance. Dean has done an excellent job shepherding the party through the dark days of Bush's second term to a bright future in the post-Bush era. All Democrats owe him a debt of gratitude.

    [ Parent ]
    There's a reason (5.00 / 2) (#126)
    by Sunshine on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:31:59 PM EST
    he has not done well raising funds, a lot of us told him where he could take the DNC and shove it if he didn't allow FL and MI to count... He's now realizing we meant it...

    [ Parent ]
    50 State (none / 0) (#120)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:27:03 PM EST
    Strategy is great for the primaries. I don't see them spending the money and time on it for the GE. Obama may have won Ut, Ms KS and such. Come November there isn't enough money in all the Democratic Party combined to turn Utah blue. Total votes mean nothing in the GE (Just ask Gore).

    [ Parent ]
    Narrow Vision (none / 0) (#131)
    by Spike on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:37:48 PM EST
    The 50 state strategy was launched long before the primaries and will continue long after. It's not just about one election cycle, it's about party building. At the present, Obama and Dean are working on a 50 state voter registration strategy. And it's not just about the electoral college. It's about winning down-ticket races in states blue, purple and red. It's about taking over state legislatures in advance of the 2010 census so Democrats will be in control when Congressional district lines are redrawn. The vision is much broader than just turning Utah blue in November.

    [ Parent ]
    Narrow? (none / 0) (#136)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:43:27 PM EST
    I prfer to think of it as realist. If the Democratic Party is going to be a progressive party as  you seem to envision, it isn't going to be acceptable to the conservative community. No matter what we do. Unless you're willing to give up the values of the party. This will hold true from the top of the ticket to the bottom.

    [ Parent ]
    Yup, Too Narrow (none / 0) (#140)
    by Spike on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:51:21 PM EST
    The "conservative community" is shrinking. George W. Bush has dealt conservatism a grievous blow that will take a generation to recover from. The Reagan coalition has shattered. This is the time for progressives to be aggressive in seeking a major political realignment. Let's not aim too low. The right is demoralized, on the run and short on cash. We must force them to play defense in even the reddest of places. It is a new day...

    [ Parent ]
    Been to Georgia lately? (none / 0) (#146)
    by Burned on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:56:43 PM EST
    We have a "new day" every day and it's politically the same as the old day.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes (none / 0) (#156)
    by Spike on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 09:16:57 PM EST
    I was in Atlanta a couple of weeks ago. Obama is now about 9 points down in Georgia. Even if he doesn't close that gap, if Obama invests his money well, he will force McCain to spend limited funds defending a state that should be safely in his column.

    [ Parent ]
    Progressive? (none / 0) (#150)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 09:03:00 PM EST
    I guess it would depend on the definition of progressive. Obama needs to define what his vision of that is. So does the Democratic Party and many of the "progressive" blogs. I happen to believe that progressive includes dealing with the fact that we have more people in prison than anywhere else on the planet, women's rights no longer open to debate, recognition of the gay marriage federally, closing the gap of the haves and have nots, capital punishment, sensible gun regulations and a whole lot of other things.

    When you try to please everyone, you please no one.

    [ Parent ]

    Progressive Agenda (none / 0) (#162)
    by Spike on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 09:26:28 PM EST
    Obama will have to pick a few big things to focus on in his first term. I'm sure that list will include job creation, withdrawing from Iraq, universal health care, and combating climate change. His success on those issues to start will determine how much he can expand that agenda. And that will be also be a function of how well he sets the direction for the expanding Democratic majorities in the Congress.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama Plan Is Not Universal Health Care n/t (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 09:33:38 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Iraq (5.00 / 2) (#174)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 10:06:50 PM EST
    Is now being discussed in total generalities. No times, depends on conditions on the ground, From the strong anti war candidate he moved very quickly to the center right on this. And I haven't heard him pushing his people to stop Bush's behind the scene arrangement for permanent bases in Iraq. He has the party megaphone. I would expect him to use it. I also would like to see him use it about the rumored cave in by the Dem's on telecom immunity.

    [ Parent ]
    Wasn't there a Den that had an (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by nycstray on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 10:15:53 PM EST
    issue with permanent bases and Bush tying us there . . . . oh wait . . .

    [ Parent ]
    Did you have a sock monkey? (5.00 / 0) (#41)
    by Josey on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:15:55 PM EST
    I still have mine. No, I don't sleep with it now. LOL - it's in a box somewhere.

    Think of the times Dems, including Obama supporters, have posted pics of Bush as a monkey. And Perot and other politicians have been treated similarly.

    http://tinyurl.com/5pbwsf

    That is horrible. (none / 0) (#67)
    by Burned on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:40:40 PM EST
    Absolutely horrible.

    [ Parent ]
    what about Hillary's nutcracker? (none / 0) (#100)
    by Josey on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:10:32 PM EST
    Absolutely horrible.


    [ Parent ]
    Yes it was (none / 0) (#107)
    by Burned on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:12:56 PM EST
    Absolutely horrible too.
    Pissed me off. So does the sock monkey.

    [ Parent ]
    Another one bites the dust... (5.00 / 4) (#86)
    by Dawn Davenport on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:57:50 PM EST
    At This Rate, Obama MIght Be Forced To (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:05:06 PM EST
    add Richardson to the list. Everyone knows he would be willing to do anything to become the VP candidate.

    [ Parent ]
    Ezra says no... (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by Dawn Davenport on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:11:54 PM EST
    ...and explains why Richardson would be a bad choice:

    So where is Richardson now? He says, slightly incoherently, "I was a conservative Democrat who became a progressive Democrat who's now a moderate." Huh? Ryan Lizza, who wrote a definitive profile exploring how Richardson's resume overshadowed his candidacy (which has now vanished down the TNR memory hole), concluded, "Richardson, despite his years on the world stage, has never developed any fixed foreign policy ideology." Lizza went on to tally up some of Richardson's bad calls: In 1985 he supported aid to the Contras, then flipped after Iran-Contra broke. In 1991, he voted against going to war in Iraq, then later flipped and said he'd made a mistake. He ran the whip operation for NAFTA -- actually setting up a joint operation with Gingrich's staff -- but says he now regrets aspects of that vote. "I guess you'd call me more of a fair-trader now."

    And this sort of incoherence goes across the board. Asked who his favorite Supreme Court Justice was, he chose Byron "Whizzer" White, a Kennedy appointee who opposed Roe. He later apologized, and admitted he hadn't thought it through. Asked about whether he'd vote for the Iraq Funding Supplemental in March of 2007, he said he didn't know, then contradicted his own position and said he'd cut troop funding.

    Link.

    [ Parent ]

    Hey, I know! He can woo Lieberman (5.00 / 2) (#108)
    by Anne on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:13:45 PM EST
    away from McCain - and then we'll have unity all over the place...

    Every now and then, I have to remind myself that if Gore had gotten 8 years in the WH, Joey would be the the likely next resident of the WH...ugh, it makes me feel a little sick.

    [ Parent ]

    Lieberman As Obama's VP Choice (5.00 / 3) (#114)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:18:45 PM EST
    would have the added benefit of seeing the Kos Kids heads explode before they found ways of rationalizing what a great guy Lieberman really was all along.

    [ Parent ]
    I think the VP spot (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 10:58:53 PM EST
    is a bit radioactive right now.  Most candidates would have automatically chosen the "losing" candidate in a race so close.

    Hillary would have turned right around and asked Obama.

    Obama put himself between a rock and a hard place, by turning Clinton into a "monstah", and this is a HUGE problem for him.

    [ Parent ]

    To save everyone some time, (5.00 / 3) (#98)
    by Valhalla on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:09:27 PM EST
    I'm taking myself out of the Veepstakes too.

    I figure at the rate they're going, they'll be knocking on my door pretty soon.

    [ Parent ]

    LOL (none / 0) (#103)
    by Josey on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:11:08 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    What we need is an informant (none / 0) (#116)
    by Sunshine on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:24:37 PM EST
    I think these dropper outers know something that we don't know and who wants to run on a losing team.... I think there are going on's going on that nobody knows are going on that may put a new slant on this election...  

    [ Parent ]
    Unknown unknowns? (none / 0) (#121)
    by Burned on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:27:16 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Who else dropped out again? (none / 0) (#122)
    by dotcommodity on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:31:02 PM EST
    I vaguely remember: but who?
    Rendell? and ...?

    [ Parent ]
    Strickland I (none / 0) (#127)
    by LoisInCo on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:32:48 PM EST
    believe.

    [ Parent ]
    Warner I heard, somewhere on this blog (none / 0) (#128)
    by Sunshine on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:35:30 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Or Obama's campaign (none / 0) (#134)
    by Valhalla on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:40:22 PM EST
    has already signaled to them there's no chance of him picking them.

    Or they sense that the VP slot with Obama would be 4-8 years of doing a whole lotta nothing with dim prospects thereafter.

    I really just can't figure it out.  Have this many refuseniks ever occurred before?

    [ Parent ]

    Nothing New (none / 0) (#148)
    by Spike on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 09:00:51 PM EST
    "Have this many refuseniks ever occurred before?"

    This is not uncommon. There are three primary reasons:

    1. Some publicly take their names out of contention in case they don't picked but would change their minds in a second if offered;

    2. Some know they won't be picked for one reason or another and want to take their names out of the running before being passed up; and

    3. Some -- like Mark Warner -- are running for another office and politically need to make it clear that they're serious about that office and not about to change their minds.

    This should not be interpreted as reflecting upon Obama's chances in November. It is nothing like that disastrous situation in 1972 when several possible VPs turned McGovern down after the Eagleton fiasco.

    [ Parent ]
    VP slot (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:12:14 PM EST
    May not be as easy to fill as they thought. If your looking at a long term political career this might not be the time to latch on to the Obama star. As fractured as the party is there's more than a 50/50 chance your career could crash. Losing Democrat's rarely get a second chance.

    [ Parent ]
    If only there were someone... (5.00 / 3) (#112)
    by Dawn Davenport on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:18:14 PM EST
    ...who could help bring disaffected Dems back to the party, and who ran strong with working-class voters, Latinos, women, white men, Asians, and GLBT.

    The more Obama ignores the obvious choice, the more churlish and childish he seems.


    [ Parent ]

    Too bad (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by ruffian on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:17:26 PM EST
    He would have been good.

    Something tells me the pick is going to be someone who is way off the radar screen at the moment.

    [ Parent ]

    This isn't true (none / 0) (#110)
    by Josey on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:15:27 PM EST
    >>>He was one of three Virginia Democrats frequently mentioned as potential Obama ticketmates. Neither of the other two, Sen. Jim Webb or Gov. Tim Kaine, have ruled out a run with Obama.

    Webb ruled himself out on Smiley's show this week and then smacked down John Edwards.


    [ Parent ]

    Obama went to Iowa today for a sandbagging (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:39:19 PM EST
    photo op.

    I'm amazed. Ever since he cancelled his campaign trip there earlier in the week, I've been criticizing him from blog to blog about how careless that decision was, that he could have gone to tour the area and call for FEMA to handle this better than they did Katrina.

    Then, today, he went to Iowa and filled sandbags along side the locals. Pandering. He should have brought the whole family.

    (yes, it's true, he can't do anything right as far as I'm concerned)

    Now Java, (none / 0) (#139)
    by ruffian on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:44:43 PM EST
    you know darn well that no one has done more for sandbags than Barack Obama.

    Glad you added that last line to save an Obamabot some work. ;-)

    [ Parent ]

    You're Not Alone (none / 0) (#166)
    by Spike on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 09:36:14 PM EST
    (yes, it's true, he can't do anything right as far as I'm concerned)

    That describes many who inhabit this site. :)

    [ Parent ]

    Just One Thing? (none / 0) (#178)
    by Spike on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 10:49:57 PM EST
    Obama ran a highly disciplined campaign that inspired thousands of volunteers, millions of voters and raised hundreds of millions of dollars to beat the strongest political machine in America. He is now on a path to become the next president of the United States. I'd say he did a lot more than one thing right.

    [ Parent ]
    He did (none / 0) (#185)
    by chopper on Sun Jun 15, 2008 at 12:13:08 AM EST
    He sent his thugs into the caucuses to steal delegates through the use of fraud, theft, threats, and force.

    Don't believe me?  Ask the DNC what they did with the more than 2000 complaints filed in Texas alone, and with the phone lines jammed.

    [ Parent ]

    BEE, Come out, come out, wherever you are (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 09:14:46 PM EST
    Don't lurk in the shadows. When you disagree with something, speak your mind. Your ratings have no substance if that's all you have to offer.


    I went past a gas station (none / 0) (#1)
    by kredwyn on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:49:28 PM EST
    earlier. Regular was at 4.09. I would've stopped then, but I didn't have my paycheck yet.

    When I went back some 3 hours later (paycheck arrived in the mail), the price had gone up .02.

    Two other gas stations in the area are at 4.25...another is at 4.15.

    ::sigh::

    I have solved my gasoline problem by (none / 0) (#3)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:50:26 PM EST
    never going anywhere... :)

    [ Parent ]
    I'm thinking of getting a car, but (none / 0) (#5)
    by MarkL on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:51:57 PM EST
    we'll see.
    The main reason I need a car is not for shopping, but for easier travel to other universities for conferences, talks, etc.

    [ Parent ]
    Cars certainly do come in handy, and mine (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:55:03 PM EST
    looks good sitting in the driveway.  

    [ Parent ]
    wish I could do that... (none / 0) (#8)
    by kredwyn on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:53:10 PM EST
    As it is, I think I may have over achieved my way out of a FT gig by doing the project in a timely manner.

    [ Parent ]
    That's me, too (none / 0) (#89)
    by zyx on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:00:34 PM EST
    Don't go out much.

    Saving it all for a long trip, midsummer--yay! Out to see the world!

    [ Parent ]

    I am lucky..I live in the country (none / 0) (#93)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 08:04:54 PM EST
    and don't have to commute to work. So my monthly gasoline bill runs around $80 which is about two tanks of gas. I go to the feed store every week and a half, combining that trip with grocery and sundry shopping. And for in between, I go to the little local store where I get my gas which is a mile from my house. I have curtailed my trips to the local "big city", Gainesville. I now go every four months or so, instead of the monthly trip I used to take. It's cheaper to buy online and have the UPS man bring it than it is to drive an hour to buy it.

    [ Parent ]
    Someone told me to buy gas midweek, (none / 0) (#10)
    by zyx on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:55:36 PM EST
    that it is generally a few cents higher on and right before weekends. Do you think that is true?

    [ Parent ]
    I dunno... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kredwyn on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:58:03 PM EST
    I saw one gas station where the price went up .10 overnight...mid-week.

    [ Parent ]
    The price goes up (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:03:48 PM EST
    when the stations get a new delivery from the mega-super-duper oil companies.  They have to pay what the companies charge them, and if the delivery is at a higher price, the price at the gas station has to go up.

    With a very few exceptions, it's not the gas station operators who are doing this to us, so it's not right to blame them.  The operators are folks like you and me struggling to earn a living.  I'm not aware of any who live high on the hog and have second homes on the Riviera at our expense.

    [ Parent ]

    I know the son... (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by kredwyn on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:10:19 PM EST
    of this station owner. And though I like his son, he's engaged to a friend of mine, I don't trust him  not to add a few pence to the xtra cost.

    That being said, I understand what you're saying.

    But it's really frustrating in that I live on a very tight budget. And I hadn't expected my Pontiac Sunfire to cost me $50 for a tank of regular gas.

    [ Parent ]

    Hey, tell me about it (none / 0) (#182)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 11:08:57 PM EST
    I have a 4-mile drive to the nearest place I can buy a bottle of milk, and the nearest real supermarket is 20 miles from here.  And there is zero, nada, zilch public transportation.  Lucky for me, I'm self-employed and work out of my home office, so I don't have a commute (well, mebbe 25 feet from my bedroom to my office) and can ration my driving if I plan really carefully.

    Not suggesting gas station operators are saints, just saying they're not the ones reaping the obscene profits from our wallets.

    [ Parent ]

    There are all kinds of things being said (none / 0) (#16)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:58:13 PM EST
    about buying gas...another one is buy it early in the morning and you actually get more gas...who knows what is true. The only thing I know for sure is that we are being rooked by the oil companies.

    [ Parent ]
    I just read (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:05:17 PM EST
    a complete debunking of this idea somewhere, maybe Consumer Reports?  Something like that.  It's a good theory, but in practice it saves you something like one tenth of a cent for every fill-up.


    [ Parent ]
    Snopes sort of debunked (none / 0) (#56)
    by Burned on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:34:17 PM EST
    sort of not.

    snopes

    [ Parent ]

    When I was driving home today (none / 0) (#11)
    by lilburro on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:57:02 PM EST
    there was a very elaborate local commercial about a guy so mad he blew up his car to protest the gas prices.  It was very interesting.  It's not just bloggers and Matt Lauer kicking and screaming.  This could be the issue that puts it away for McCain or Obama.  It amazes me, but it's eclipsed health insurance and Iraq.  

    I hope the Obama campaign will fight for us.  I know that's a longshot, but I also know McCain won't at all, and if he does, it'll be at the cost of a load of other things.

    I'm in NC, 40 mins from work.  Give me a hand, dangit.

    [ Parent ]

    Well, the candidate who tells the truth (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by MarkL on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:58:06 PM EST
    will not win on the issue of gas prices.
    "Your suffering has only begun" won't go over well.

    [ Parent ]
    What I really want (5.00 / 2) (#164)
    by zyx on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 09:30:41 PM EST
    is trains, more passenger trains, lots of trains.

    I love to look out the windows.

    I hate to fly. I am a chicken who believes I'll crash and I hate airports and security checks. And did I mention that I love to look out of the windows? And to read and walk around while someone else drives? And America is BEAUTIFUL. I love America.

    [ Parent ]

    Obama voted FOR the Cheney Energy Bill (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by nycstray on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:06:50 PM EST
    McCain didn't.

    I actually had to take a car service today for the first time in ages. The only other time I can remember taking a car in the last year was a late night taxi. I'm going to be in a rude wallet awakening next year when I will have to drive. Ugh.

    I have to wonder if all the cab drivers who were ticked at Bloomberg having all the taxi's be hybrids by a certain year are happy now!

    [ Parent ]

    Actually, I (none / 0) (#13)
    by lilburro on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:57:47 PM EST
    really want a Prius, but I'm only 23, and buying a car is waaaay too complicated for me right now!!

    [ Parent ]
    I think that's what my mom bought (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by nycstray on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:10:23 PM EST
    a couple of months ago. She loves her new car and it does get some kick butt mileage. It's kinda funny when you get an email from your 73yo mom and she's talkin' about the bluetooth in her car and sending me pictures, lol!~

    [ Parent ]
    My parents have one... (none / 0) (#18)
    by kredwyn on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:59:48 PM EST
    But I can't afford a new car at this point. I'm not sure if there's a point in the near future where I will be able to afford to get one.

    [ Parent ]
    My sons are 22 and 25 (none / 0) (#35)
    by zyx on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:09:08 PM EST
    22-year-old only has a learner's permit--he'll never have a real license. Well, not until he has an income. The 25-year-old has no car, never has. He lives in the SF Bay area and recently signed up to use a ZipCar sometimes, if a bus doesn't work very well.

    Good for them. Spouse and I make do with one car, and I wish we could do with one less.

    A Prius is pricey--probably a better starter for a tight budget is a Civic or Corolla or Scion. Very good mileage, excellent reliability, and they cost thousands less. On the news a week or so ago they said that the best-selling car in the US right now is a Honda Civic. Good cars, those. But bicycles are good, too, if you live in a good climate.

    [ Parent ]

    Have a Scion (none / 0) (#160)
    by Molly Pitcher on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 09:19:26 PM EST
    after years of Toyotas (Corollas and sub-compacts).  It is an xA, out of production, but I love it--much nicer than the xB.  Gas mileage is suffering with hot gases filling up the gas tank here in the south.  (Also had to change to an auto shift because of a leg problem.)

    oh--people think it is a Mini-Cooper for some reason.

    [ Parent ]

    My brother has one (none / 0) (#44)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:19:35 PM EST
    The headlamp needed to be replaced (or something most cars allow the owner to handle) and they had to rent a car while the dealer took a couple of days to handle the task. Theirs is from the 1st or 2nd year of existence.

    Before the gas prices started this, the higher cost of the hybrids would not pay for itself for many years. Now that hybrids are on backorder, the prices of those should go up amply, as well.

    Can't win.

    [ Parent ]

    Found gas today for $3.97, and put (none / 0) (#53)
    by Anne on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:31:50 PM EST
    almost 12 gallons in the tank; spent $45.00.

    I buy gas as early in the day as possible, when it's cooler, as they say that buying it when it's really hot out means you don't really get as much gas as you think you are - something about the gas expanding when it's hot.  And I'm buying it when I'm at half a tank - can't stand the pain of filling it when it's almost empty.  

    I do errands once a week - period - and try to do them on my way home from work so I'm not making a special trip.

    I'm driving a little slower, keeping an eye on the "instantaneous mileage" readout - loving the downhills!

    Am conserving at home, too - as we are all electric, and electricity, now that it is de-regulated here, is through the roof.  We keep the air at 82, but keep the fan running all the time to keep the air moving.  

    It's beastly hot today - stifling humidity.

    [ Parent ]

    I'm lucky (none / 0) (#66)
    by suki on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:40:20 PM EST
    I have an enormous attic fan.
    Seriously, when I stand under it, it raises my long hair!
    I did an experiment last summer and watched the meter when the AC was running versus the fan.
    The meter spun three times faster when the AC was running.
    Still, when it gets in the high 90's with high humidity I can't take it - I have to turn the AC on.

    [ Parent ]
    Costco (none / 0) (#69)
    by echinopsia on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:44:04 PM EST
    membership gets you gas at ~.10 less than the cheapest price in town.

    [ Parent ]
    Last night we were talking about (none / 0) (#4)
    by MarkL on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 06:50:39 PM EST
    diet and so forth. I really love butter. If I have it at home, I'll eat it and cook with it.
    If I don't have it, I actually don't mind... but I have to have the will power not to buy it.

    Personally (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:07:08 PM EST
    life without butter is not worth living.  I'd give up absolutely everything else first.


    [ Parent ]
    Well, olive oil is wonderful. (none / 0) (#34)
    by MarkL on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:08:58 PM EST
    That's the only reason I can do without.
    I love Mediterranean types of cuisine.
    But yeah, butter, egg yolks and cream are essential for so many delicious dishes.

    [ Parent ]
    None of those are unhealthy (none / 0) (#62)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 07:38:06 PM EST
    by today's rules.  Really.

    [ Parent ]