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If you're online today and looking for a place to chat, here you go.

And don't believe the rumors I'm seeing on other threads about the Denver Convention being canceled or scaled back to a single day due to lack of funds. The only thing canceled was the media walk-through for this coming week -- and the Sunday night parties are being combined into a single event.

For the latest, check the Rocky Mountain News and Denver Post. The fundraising is being done by the Denver Host Committee, not the DNC or the DNCC. What's the difference?

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    Booman loses mind and sense of reality, (5.00 / 8) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 12:36:22 PM EST
    again.  Another Obama supporter continuing to earn Obama zero new votes and lots of ticked off insulted people.

    Military....the article is appalling, as are (5.00 / 6) (#12)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 12:48:34 PM EST
    many of the commenters.  They truly have bought the b.s. hook, line and sinker.

    [ Parent ]
    I am sick of reading that any white woman (5.00 / 12) (#46)
    by Aqua Blue on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:21:48 PM EST
    who does ot support Obama is a closet racist.  Will not go to that site again.

    Reminds me of why I left kos after 4 loyal years.

    The disrespectful remarks just don't stop.  When I look back at fights that I fought against sexism and racism, in the workplace and as an early NOW and ACLU member, I just shake my head and wonder in amazement at the current situation.

    Instead of respecting the rights of individuals, there is a tone that is beoming more and more fascist.   Dissent is no longer tolerated.

    [ Parent ]

    Heh. (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by lilburro on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 12:49:09 PM EST
    Who can even take that seriously?  As Tim Wise might say, "Sister please."

    It's been a week.  Give people time to make the decision they want to make.

    [ Parent ]

    "Your whiteness is showing" (5.00 / 13) (#38)
    by tree on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:17:08 PM EST
    The title alone is highly bigoted and insulting. Ah, feel the unity. Another in the long line of "you're a racist if you don't vote for Obama" rants.  Feel the love.

    [ Parent ]
    So all us white folks are supposed (5.00 / 5) (#51)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:26:06 PM EST
    to do what?? Show up in blackface to show solidarity with Obama?? What is with these people?? Do they write in a vacuum of their own devising?? They must, it's the only way to explain that sort of drivel.

    [ Parent ]
    Don't you think you should not base those feelings (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by samtaylor2 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:35:46 PM EST
    On blogs.  I just don't understand that.  You don't know who is writing these statements, you have never met them, and besides it is a fraction of a population.  Personally I have felt for a long time that many of the most devisive statements (especially at the beginning) were made by people trying to divide us.  By the way, as a Black guy I will say with much love,   I love white ladies, my mom is a white lady :).

    [ Parent ]
    The opinion piece that Booman (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by tree on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:48:01 PM EST
    links to is written by Tim Wise,who's a well-known liberal anti-racism activist. You'd think he'd know better than to use racial stereotypes. Its sad. I've respected what he's done in the past, and most particularly respected his criticism of Zionism from his own Jewish perspective, but I have zero respect for what he wrote in that piece.

     It won't affect my decision about how to vote in November, though. That decision is based on my judgment of the candidates themselves, not on my judgment of any supporters, no matter how appalling, or appealing, they may be.

    [ Parent ]

    In terms of supporters, and supporting Obama (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by samtaylor2 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:55:45 PM EST
    Just so you know I am really, really, really good looking:)

    [ Parent ]
    Ha! You may very well be stunning (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by tree on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:15:37 PM EST
    but I'm afraid it still won't affect my vote. Now, when I was younger.....  ;-)

    [ Parent ]
    It seems that the (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:18:47 PM EST
    overweening ego is not limited to Obama, his supporters have it in plenty as well. I congratulate you on your good looks. I hope one day you will add good sense to them. :)

    [ Parent ]
    speaks VOLUMES (5.00 / 3) (#207)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 04:12:31 PM EST
    about Obama supporters:  "i am really good looking".  Who gives a sh1t?  Looks don't run the country, and neither do empty platitudes.

    this is the typical obama voter:  surface over substance.  plain and simple.  and WHY do you have to inject your racial background into it?

    oh that's right...another SOP for Obama supporters as well.

    [ Parent ]

    Booman Who Is Promoting The Meme (5.00 / 7) (#97)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:06:00 PM EST
    is not an unknown figure in the blog world. He has had a Democratic blog for quite some time and has not just entered the scene for the sole purpose of dividing the party. Many of the people who have peddled this theme from the beginning have been at the A-list blogs for years and are well known to the people who use to frequent those blogs themselves.

    It would be more productive IMO if you went on Booman and other blogs who are engaging in suggesting that all white women who are not Obama supporters are racists and tell them that their actions are counterproductive than trying to rationalize their behavior.

    Some of us racist white women were actually around in the sixties and seventies and have spent more years trying to ensure equality for all people than some of the people calling us racists have been on this earth.  

    [ Parent ]

    LOL! (5.00 / 8) (#41)
    by madamab on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:20:09 PM EST
    Their fear is showing.

    P.U.M.A.!

    [ Parent ]

    How nice (5.00 / 6) (#65)
    by Nadai on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:41:11 PM EST
    Yet another man -actually, two men: Booman and the author, Tim Wise - telling us little ladies (at least those of the white persuasion) how we ought to vote.  Do you think either of them would get it if I posted an open letter telling them their maleness was showing?

    [ Parent ]
    it would have no effect - (5.00 / 10) (#69)
    by jeffhas on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:43:08 PM EST
    unless you told them it was barely visible.

    [ Parent ]
    Bwhahahaha (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by LoisInCo on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:44:37 PM EST
    oh that make made me laugh. :)

    [ Parent ]
    I would (5.00 / 3) (#80)
    by Nadai on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:50:51 PM EST
    give this a thousand 5s if I could.  Thank God I wasn't reading this at work or I'd have a dozen people coming in to see why I was cackling.

    [ Parent ]
    And I STILL don't get the purpose of (5.00 / 5) (#109)
    by Valhalla on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:18:22 PM EST
    such screeds.

    Is anyone persuaded by being called a racist?  Or condescended to?  I mean, even most racists don't like to be called racist, and most stupid people don't like to be called stupid.

    Or are all these pieces of intellectual dog-doo just supposed to be further fodder for the True Believers to lap up and circulate virally, in the hopes that there are white women out there weak-brained enough to go 'Oh no!  I had no idea I was racist!  I'll get right on that.'

    Or is it not even that clever or devious?  Maybe it's just to feed their own self-righteousness and narcissistic personality disorder?

    [ Parent ]

    Feeding Their Own Superiority IMO n/t (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:30:37 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Here's where Wise truly loses me: (4.75 / 4) (#126)
    by Robot Porter on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:28:43 PM EST
    Look, I couldn't care less about the Party personally. I left the Democrats twenty years ago when they told me that my activism in the Central America solidarity and South African anti-apartheid movements made me a security risk, and that I wouldn't be able to get clearance to be in some parade with Governor Dukakis. Yeah, seriously.

    So his reason to "leave the party" is all good and noble, but anyone else ... racist.

    I should also add that his statement is disingenuous. According to Wikipedia, Tim Wise was born in 1968.  That means that the first Presidential election he was eligible to vote in was 1988, the year Dukasis ran.

    So his 20 year old self had all the sense in the world to leave a party, which he didn't really belong to, and allow Papa Bush to get elected.  But older white women couldn't have any better reason than racism?

    I'm going to vote for Obama.  But when I read stuff like Wise's piece I really don't want to.

    [ Parent ]

    I dismiss blogs that try to (1.00 / 1) (#89)
    by 1jane on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:00:38 PM EST
    divide Democrats as this one did but seems to finally be returning to sanity.

    [ Parent ]
    This blog never tried to (5.00 / 5) (#149)
    by zfran on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:44:21 PM EST
    divide. Jeralyn always said she and BTD will be supporting whomever the dem nominee became. As soon as the #'s hit for Obama, she declared this site to be for his candadacy. Please do not make it any more than what it is.And, imo, we are not divided, we are of different opinions as to what we believe.

    [ Parent ]
    Love the way he also claims to speak (none / 0) (#154)
    by ruffian on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:50:02 PM EST
    for women of color.

    And you wonder why women of color have, for so long, thought (by and large) that white so-called feminists were phony as hell? Sister please...

    Where the hell does he come up with that? It would take me all day to dissect the pure and utter BS in that one sentence.

    I already have resigned myself to vote for Obama, even though he is plainly (to me) not the best candidate we could have put forward. But I live in Florida, and if it is not close enough for my vote to make a difference, I will write-in Hillary just to spite idiots like this. It has nothing to do with racism.  It has to do with who I want to be commander in chief when there are close to 200,000 troops in the field.  Amazing how Obama supporters just wish that fact away.

    [ Parent ]

    WTH?!? (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Josey on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 12:45:14 PM EST
    OK - at first I thought the pic of Che in the office of Obama's Texas headquarters was just a sole instance.
    But here's an AP photo of an Ohio judge in his office flanked by pics of Che and Obama.

    Castro must be smiling - Republicans too.

    USAToday -
    http://tinyurl.com/5rruxr


    birds of a feather.,, (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 12:49:29 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Oh come on (none / 0) (#23)
    by MKS on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:02:08 PM EST
    You are comparing Che Guevara to Obama?  That is ridiculous.

    [ Parent ]
    Perhaps (5.00 / 5) (#28)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:07:06 PM EST
    We should write that judge a letter and find out what he thinks the two have in common, if anything at all.


    [ Parent ]
    Guilt by association (none / 0) (#37)
    by MKS on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:16:01 PM EST
    is a tactic--used quite effectively in the 1950s.

    [ Parent ]
    I still think (5.00 / 4) (#52)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:26:07 PM EST
    we should write that letter.

    This judge seems to have some important things to say.

    [ Parent ]

    Perhaps Roger Stone (none / 0) (#54)
    by MKS on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:30:27 PM EST
    can help you write that letter.....

    [ Parent ]
    If you're so sensitive to (5.00 / 5) (#57)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:33:38 PM EST
    Obama and Che being compared I just think you should track down all those who do so to make sure no one does.

    I really thought you'd have been interested in what this judge had to say, so that you could refute it.

    Odd.


    [ Parent ]

    I suspect the Judge (none / 0) (#102)
    by MKS on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:10:51 PM EST
    has the Che poster because he believes the "poor are oppressed" but overlooks Dr. Ernesto Guevera's personal failings, his dislike of democracy and his reliance on violence.....

    Jon Anderson has written what most consider the definitive biography of Che.  He had access to a lot of records in Cuba and various records held by Che's widow, I believe.

    I lived in Guatemala during the civil war....I know about the power of Che's pull on various people.  I would be more than happy to discuss it with you....  

    But somehow, I just get this sense you were more interested in the mischief of comparing Che to Obama....

    [ Parent ]

    truth be told (none / 0) (#155)
    by Edgar08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:50:27 PM EST
    I think its all superficial boutique activism.  Look at the judge with the pictures of revolutionaries on his wall.  I wouldnt have such a good time making mischief if your defensiveness wasnt so predictable.

    [ Parent ]
    you're targeting the wrong people! (none / 0) (#33)
    by Josey on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:12:34 PM EST
    It appears Obama and his followers are promoting Che.
    If you think it's ridiculous, talk to them about
    Obama's Che-Che-Change...


    [ Parent ]
    So, Obama is promoting Che? (5.00 / 0) (#53)
    by MKS on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:29:22 PM EST
    That is absurd.

    As to followers, you have two incidents to point to.....The first was by a Latina campaign worker in Texas who took the sign down.....The second is a judge who has not been identified as part of Obama's campaign.

    And people talk about irrational Hillary hate.

    As to Che, he has reached iconic status in Latin America....Those who support Che in Latin America often do so for reasons totally unconnected to his actual historical actions and beliefs.  He has become (right or wrong) a symbol of the oppressed and poor.  

    Che only joined up with Castro in Mexico City after the CIA toppled the Arbenz government in 1954.  If that had not happpend, he would most likely have remained a feckless doctor in Guatemala....

    In any event, I am not so sure you wanted to talk about Che so much as take a cheap shot at Obama.

    [ Parent ]

    Obama's core support ... (4.50 / 2) (#132)
    by Salo on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:31:30 PM EST
    ...are the hard left of the party.  It's fairly typical for antiwar people to admire Lenin or Che or Trotsky and see guys like Stalin Castro as aberations.

    Now, I'm saying this as a social Democrat who grew up in Western Europe. I'd like the US government to gbe more left wing and pass a National Health Service reform, but you tend to find the more ingenuous lefties don't realize how dangerous the Che's and Trotsky's were...and the Democratoc party is packed with em.

    [ Parent ]

    I kinda like Che (none / 0) (#104)
    by MichaelGale on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:11:57 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    In the 60's, (5.00 / 2) (#140)
    by MichaelGale on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:36:08 PM EST
    I had a picture of him on my wall too as well as several t-shirts.

    Yep.  Che, RFK, Janis Joplin and James Dean.  :-)

    I was so enlightened. (sigh)

    [ Parent ]

    An interesting person (none / 0) (#120)
    by MKS on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:23:54 PM EST
    I blame the Dulles boys for pushing Che into Castro's arms.....I think Che had potential at one time.....I doubt that can be said about Castro.

    [ Parent ]
    Politically, it's ridiculous (none / 0) (#91)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:03:03 PM EST
    In terms of self image, uh, maybe not so much.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm not comparing anyone....left out the (none / 0) (#176)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:24:30 PM EST
    question mark.  yikes...

    [ Parent ]
    It just seems to be an open (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 12:50:35 PM EST
    spout. I think these things have stopped surprising people.

    [ Parent ]
    Why are there any political pictures (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Foxx on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:55:08 PM EST
    on his wall? It's important for judges to maintain the appearance as well as substance of neutrality.

    [ Parent ]
    McCain wooing (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Mary Mary on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 12:57:46 PM EST
    voters in PA. My husband got an auto-poll. The first question was who did he vote for in the primary. The second was would he consider voting for McCain.

    And then they ask you to participate (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by BarnBabe on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:15:03 PM EST
    in the live broadcast and actually ask a question to McCain. I declined. But I suspect they would have your question there and a good response ready. Ha. That was yesterday morning. Interesting, as I am in PA too. Any other states get this auto call?

    [ Parent ]
    Interesting. (5.00 / 4) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:39:17 PM EST
    I know that Obama will have to carry two of PA, OH and FL to win the presidency. Since Obama has already written off FL I guess McCain thinks that he can take PA from him and even if Obama managed to win OH, it wouldn't matter in the end.

    [ Parent ]
    Hmm, I thought current polling (none / 0) (#116)
    by Valhalla on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:21:53 PM EST
    looked like Ohio was more amenable to McCain.  Are there any Ohioans on the board today?  Maybe he's autopolling both?

    [ Parent ]
    Obama (4.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:41:27 PM EST
    does poll worse in OH. Perhaps McCain is just hedging his bets. Or maybe the demographics in PA make it more favorable for him.

    [ Parent ]
    I did...... (none / 0) (#178)
    by michitucky on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:27:53 PM EST
    Received the same call on Thursday in Michigan.

    [ Parent ]
    Yep (5.00 / 5) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:19:43 PM EST
    McCain is rounding up all the names of the Hillary voters that he can find and trying to get them in on conference calls where he answers their questions. They are really fighting for our votes. I find it very interesting.

    [ Parent ]
    Have you ever read Small Gods? (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Salo on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:23:58 PM EST
    You have to fight for every soul.

    [ Parent ]
    Well (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by Valhalla on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:22:36 PM EST
    at least someone's fighting for my vote.  /snark

    [ Parent ]
    Saw McCain's pitch to Clinton women (5.00 / 8) (#157)
    by davnee on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:55:18 PM EST
    Saw a 5-minute video recorded by Carly Fiorina on behalf of McCain directly addressing women who voted for Clinton.  The directness and respectful tone of it really blew me away.  At the end of it, she hadn't really explained any tangible issues where a vote for McCain would be almost as good as a vote for Clinton.  Of course not, how could she?  

    What was really spell-binding about the video, however, was how forthright Fiorina was about how unfairly Clinton was treated, how she as a fellow woman breaking glass ceilings and wielding power could relate to how profoundly difficult it is to thread the needle of power as a woman, and how critical it is for all women to support each other and to not shy from expressing their political power.  Everything about the video was measured and respectful.  She just asked for the opportunity to talk to Clinton supporting women about McCain, and asked them to keep an open mind about him.  It was very well done theater.  And it felt good to watch, when you are being clubbed over the head with a coat hanger by your own side.

    The Obama camp and Dems in general could learn a thing or two from this video.  Quit treating women like electoral low-hanging fruit and start treating them with respect.  Quit demanding votes and start asking for them!  Wasn't Obama the one that told us words matter?  So quit using hateful, demanding and demeaning words that actively drive women away from voting on the issues that matter most.

    [ Parent ]

    Yep... (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by otherlisa on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:03:46 PM EST
    I don't have much to add to that.

    I got into a spat on some blog or another (it might have been MyDD) with an Obama supporter who told me, TOLD me that I would support Obama in the fall, regardless of how I was "feeling" about him now.

    No question, no doubt, no choice.

    [ Parent ]

    I half expect the convention (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by LoisInCo on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:16:08 PM EST
    to open up with a disembodied voice saying:

    "Identify"

    (Logan's run reference sorry couldn't resist.)

    [ Parent ]

    Lois...most of us wouldn't even be able to (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:33:05 PM EST
    attend...didn't they kill people when they turned 30, or something along those lines?  

    [ Parent ]
    Well (5.00 / 2) (#184)
    by LoisInCo on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:40:33 PM EST
    when your time was up( at 30) your clock (embedded in your hand) flashed red. You were then sent   to commit ritual public suicide in the hopes that your spirit would be renewed. The ritual (as well as other things) were opened with "Identify" to show your clock. My sister has taken to refering to me as a "runner" ( one who flees instead of attending the ritual) because I refuse to "renew" as an Obama supporter. Heh. We love that movie.

    [ Parent ]
    I would be proud to join you as a runner :) (none / 0) (#192)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:53:18 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    LOL what a goof (5.00 / 1) (#214)
    by Ellie on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 04:31:25 PM EST
    What's the plural of goof anyway? Gooves like roof/rooves? Goofs? Goofuses (like doofuses)?

    I'd like to know for formal business correspondence and such.

    [ Parent ]

    "clubbed over the head (5.00 / 0) (#175)
    by tree on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:22:09 PM EST
    with a coat hanger". I just had to repeat that phrase of yours. Very apt. May I steal it?

    [ Parent ]
    Of course (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by davnee on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:59:05 PM EST
    But only if it is used in the spirit of reforming the unity pony rather than just propping it.

    [ Parent ]
    Did the call (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Nadai on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:46:52 PM EST
    say who the poll was being conducted by?

    [ Parent ]
    Not conducted BY (none / 0) (#117)
    by Fabian on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:22:15 PM EST
    but conducted FOR.

    Companies conduct surveys FOR various interests.  I did one survey that obviously was done for a right wing religio-con interest (election 2006).  Lousy survey and totally leading questions.  The worst I've ever participated in.

    [ Parent ]

    McCain n/t (none / 0) (#186)
    by Mary Mary on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:42:43 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    News from Detroit (5.00 / 5) (#31)
    by Steve M on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:11:00 PM EST
    Important left topic (5.00 / 4) (#71)
    by samtaylor2 on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:45:56 PM EST
    I was cutting some watermellon today and thinking about the fact that I hate the fact that I love watermellon, and watermellon is a aweful stereotype of black people (same with fried chicken).  Why can't the stereotype be of star fruit.   A useless fruit.  Umm watermellon and fried chicken, my Oberlin College education has ruined my delicious Saturday meal.  Cops must hate the donut stereotype for the same reason.

    Ha! (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by tree on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:04:46 PM EST
    I say just embrace the watermelon! And then eat it! I love watermelon! Fried chicken too!

     Absolutely nothing wrong with loving it. Just ignore the stereotype and realize that at some point on some level every person alive with have some trait, or characteristic or like or ability that just happens to coincide with some stereotype or another.

     I understand the trepidation though. I'm female and I tend to have a hard time making a decision. I don't think its hard-wired to my femaleness at all, but it is a little disturbing to have to admit to fitting the female stereotype on this. Ah well, such is life.  

    [ Parent ]

    Doesn't stop cops (5.00 / 5) (#103)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:11:19 PM EST
    from eating a lotta donuts.  Watermelon and friend chicken are beloved by all Americans.  Can't imagine why it got stuck to black folks.

    [ Parent ]
    Did you (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by DFLer on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:18:08 PM EST
    ever have watermelon seed spitting contests? Lots of fun, and a reason to eat watermelon by hand, outdoors.

    [ Parent ]
    In my young adulthood, the best use of watermelon (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:20:14 PM EST
    was to fill it with vodka to take to softball games on fields that did not allow any booze on the premises.

    Personally I think stereotypes are more useless than star fruit and need to scorned at every opportunity. I am old enough to know that I do not have to own someone's opinion of me. Unless I value the person and my relationship with them, why should their opinion matter?  Even in personal relationships judgments often have more to do with how things are perceived when filtered through their own rules and not how they are perceived though mine.

    [ Parent ]

    Did you inject it or just store the (none / 0) (#180)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:29:02 PM EST
    bottle in it? We used to use the huge 60cc. syringes, and 18 gauge needles, to inject watermelon with vodka. Then the watermelon was chilled and served for dessert at the bbq. Great way to end a meal on a hot day. Heh.

    [ Parent ]
    Never Got That Technical (5.00 / 2) (#210)
    by MO Blue on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 04:19:03 PM EST
    Just cut a few small triangles in strategic places and poured the vodka in and then chilled. Refreshing food (drink) while playing ball on a hot and muggy night in St. Louis.  

    [ Parent ]
    Fuel injected, baby! (Drink and dessert for a bbq) (none / 0) (#205)
    by Ellie on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 04:09:19 PM EST
    Take an ice cream scoop and lay out 1/2 spheres of very cold watermelon on a tray. Inject with vodka and freeze. You could just use them like that in the cocktail of your choice. OR ...

    Scoop into or line frozen martini glasses with vanilla ice cream. (Use cornonets pressed into slightly softened vanilla ice to keep the shape of the martini glass, or whatever creates a well in the serving gobelet of your choice.)

    Load the frozen vodka melon ball into the ice cream and it's the dessert/drink slurpy of the gods.

    You can also fuel inject and freeze other melons and fruits and just add fizzy water, syrups etc.

    I also add the frozen fuel injected fruits to sangria instead of ice cubes. Frozen seedless grapes make great "cubes".

    [ Parent ]

    Stereotype (5.00 / 2) (#125)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:27:48 PM EST
    The fact that many AA culturally identify with southern cooking is no different from Chinese Americans who like chinese food. The fact that these foods are used along with racist messages is the problem not the foods themselves.

    [ Parent ]
    Neat technique. (5.00 / 4) (#131)
    by Fabian on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:30:48 PM EST
    Take your watermelon and cut in half on the "equator".

    Stand one half melon on the cut side on a cutting board.

    Cut off the top of the melon - deep if you cut the blossom end, shallower if you cut the stem end.

    Now start "peeling" the melon by slicing the rind off by cutting from top to bottom.  Adjust your cuts to leave nothing but a hemisphere of pure, sweet, juicy goodness.

    Cut the melon into slices and then into cubes.  Enjoy!

    (Kids frequently leave a lot of edible melon on the rind when you give them slices.  Cutting the rind off the melon eliminates a lot of nagging. And remember to compost the rinds!)

    [ Parent ]

    Mmmmm (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by squeaky on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:38:46 PM EST
    That got my mouth watering.....  I like your technique, although there is something nostalgic about greedily eating a slice of watermelon and stopping only when encountering the slightly sour taste of rind.

    [ Parent ]
    hey fabian (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by DFLer on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:42:48 PM EST
    did you mom ever make watermelon rind pickles? Not my fav, but around here people will anything.

    [ Parent ]
    meant to say (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by DFLer on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:47:59 PM EST
    but around here people will PICKLE anything. (including themselves with Mo blue's recipe)

    [ Parent ]
    LOL (5.00 / 4) (#159)
    by ruffian on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:55:42 PM EST
    enjoy your watermelon sam.

    I'm Irish and feel the same way when I drink a beer before noon.

    O c'mon, it's not like it's every day.

    [ Parent ]

    You've inspired me (5.00 / 3) (#166)
    by otherlisa on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:04:36 PM EST
    I just opened a beer - a Mackleson's Triple Stout, in fact!

    [ Parent ]
    Enjoy! (5.00 / 2) (#171)
    by ruffian on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:17:01 PM EST
    I don't have anything that good handy.

    Disclaimer - i meant I'm of Irish descent - don't want anyone to think I'm impersonating the real thing! But I do love my Guinness.

    [ Parent ]

    mmmm...Guiness (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by otherlisa on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:21:41 PM EST
    that and Anchor Steam - my introduction to quality beer.

    [ Parent ]
    Heh (4.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Steve M on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:56:36 PM EST
    When I was in college, they served watermelon and fried chicken on MLK Day.  No joke.

    [ Parent ]
    Here's the Dean quote I was talking about (5.00 / 6) (#75)
    by janarchy on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 01:47:22 PM EST
    When Mr. Dean reached out to Cynthia Ruccia, who started an organization of female Clinton swing-state voters threatening to vote for Mr. McCain, Ms. Ruccia asked that the Democratic convention include a symbolic first ballot for Mrs. Clinton's delegates. Mr. Dean discouraged the idea on the grounds of unity.

    Link from the New York Times

    I think that is short-sighted (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by stxabuela on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:02:25 PM EST
    and will actually discourage party unity.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm more disgusted with Obama supporters... (5.00 / 0) (#115)
    by dianem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:21:46 PM EST
    ...than I ever was. They are over on Daily Kos promoting how Obama is "helping" with flood relief efforts. Can't they figure out that this is not a time for partisanship? Can't they just once set aside their adoration and recognize that this is not a campaign event? There are tragedies happening right now. Hopefully, there will be minimal loss of life because of the evacuations, but there will be losses, of both lives and property. Everybody should be setting aside partisanship and working together. Are we completely incapable of doing that?

    "helping" (5.00 / 0) (#123)
    by smott on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:25:18 PM EST
    ...did he even go to visit the state?....

    [ Parent ]
    He shouldn't (5.00 / 0) (#134)
    by dianem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:32:56 PM EST
    That would be irresponsible. They have enough on their hands without having to deal with visiting dignitaries. It's bad enough that his supporter's are trying to capitalize on people's miserty. If this goes public from the Obama campaign itself, he will not score any points - people will feel he is being opportunistic.

    Come to think of it - it doesn't ever have to come from the campaign. They have their army of fans to spread the word. The best way.

    [ Parent ]

    It might help (5.00 / 3) (#151)
    by Valhalla on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:47:58 PM EST
    if he rounded up his rock concert fans and sent them out to help as volunteers.

    I say might because I really don't know the details of the situation, sometimes it's worse with inexperienced volunteers.  But it would be something to overcome the image that the 'We' in the 'We are the change we can believe in' isn't just a bunch of self-centered college kids.

    [ Parent ]

    He's considering getting the waters to recede (5.00 / 4) (#190)
    by Ellie on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:46:38 PM EST
    The best thing public figures can do is make a plea for donations to local aid agencies and stay the hell away from exploiting tragedy for photo ops. Obama would keep it in the news anyway with a reference.

    Upstream commentary is bang on about how swooping in with the entourage and campaign reporters only leeches preciously needed local resources into security, etc.

    [ Parent ]

    as a messiah... (5.00 / 5) (#212)
    by jeffhas on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 04:25:48 PM EST
    He's considering getting the waters to recede

    Can't he just raise his hands and part the flood waters?

    [ Parent ]

    Finding Fault (5.00 / 2) (#169)
    by Spike on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:16:03 PM EST
    The Obama campaign is using its website to encourage donations to those in need and to organize volunteers to work in shelters for people who have been forced to flee their homes.

    Only the most cynical of political opponents could find fault with using the resources of the campaign to help those in need.

    [ Parent ]

    As far as I can see (5.00 / 4) (#200)
    by tree on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 04:04:57 PM EST
    the help consists of a link to a blog by an Obama supporter urging people to contribute to the American Red Cross. Hillary Clinton has an appeal to contribute to the Red Cross on her main page. One click instead of two to get there.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm monitoring the various defections... (5.00 / 3) (#122)
    by Salo on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:25:08 PM EST
    ...that have resulted from the primary controvercies, and i'd say it's serious.  It will depress our turnout in November and make McCain's job easier.  One thing I learned from this primary is that the sites like Dkos were predictve of the support Obama got and were not that far off the support that Edwards got.  The underrepresented demo on Dkos was teh Clinton support.  Well, if that 10% really repped the 50% of the party that supported Clinton the online defections and  pronouncments of defection add up to serious trouble.  The netroots may have pushed obama into the nomination, but there's a counterpush going on...

    So what to do about it?

    There's nothing to be done. If (5.00 / 3) (#127)
    by MarkL on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:28:46 PM EST
    Obama wins the Presidency, it will be by using the same methods he used in the primary.
    He may win, but those who don't vote for him will really loathe him. It's a bad way to start, IMO.


    [ Parent ]
    Those methods won't work (5.00 / 5) (#183)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:37:48 PM EST
    against McCain. He can retaliate with stuff that was off-limits to Hillary. And that stuff is dirty...Ayers, Rezko, Blagojevich, Wright, etc. etc. None of this was available to Hillary, due to "party unity", but it is available to McCain and don't think for a minute he won't use it, and use it well. By the time November rolls around, the DNC is going to be collectively bemoaning their choice. If they had vetted him in the first place, none of this approaching disaster would be occurring. You guys think that 2004 was bad? Wait a few months. This time they have a target with real and major weaknesses, and they are salivating to get at him.
    GOD better help Obama, because GOP won't.

    (sorry, couldn't help that last line..a bad pun is better than no pun, right?)

    [ Parent ]

    what is with you people? (2.00 / 2) (#187)
    by tben on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:44:15 PM EST
    you call yourselves Dems, and spend all your time trying to convince fellow Dems that the world is coming to an end, that we will lose,,,blah blah blah.

    You are wrong. And you contribute nothing positive to the effort. What are you trying to accomplish?

    [ Parent ]

    I am a realist. (5.00 / 9) (#197)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 04:01:57 PM EST
    And I have been watching politics in this country for a long time. Obama is the most unqualified candidate that has ever been run for the Presidency by a major party. That is a fact. He was chosen by the DNC to be the candidate in the face of the obvious popular vote win by Hillary Clinton. We may be Democrats, but we are not blindly loyal to the party. We think for ourselves. What we are trying to accomplish is to have the Democratic nominee be a competent and able person who can clean up the mess that George Bush is leaving behind. Obama is not the person who is capable of doing that. Nothing in his record says he has any experience tackling hard jobs and getting them done. And no amount of BS from his supporters about "change and hope" is going to make a difference in his non-accomplishments. It's not about the party, it's about the country. I will write Hillary in, I will not vote for McCain. And when McCain wins, I will be keeping a very close eye on him and writing regularly to my representatives in Congress. All of them. Perhaps they will listen when the Obamabeat isn't ringing in their ears. Perhaps.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm no longer a Dem (5.00 / 7) (#204)
    by janarchy on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 04:08:05 PM EST
    This current circus of hate and thuggery had me change my party affiliation a month ago. I just got my new card in the mail today. According to New York State, my party affiliation is now "Blank" so I belong to the Blank Generation and I can take it or leave it each time...

    Good luck with YOUR party.

    [ Parent ]

    FlaDemFem (1.00 / 0) (#195)
    by Spike on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:58:25 PM EST
    Will you be disappointed if Obama wins by 10 points?

    [ Parent ]
    No, I will assume election fraud. Heh. (5.00 / 4) (#199)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 04:04:20 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    thats the way it always works (1.00 / 0) (#185)
    by tben on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:41:25 PM EST
    Modern political campaigns are designed to provoke loathing of the other.

    You support CLinton, and now loathe Obama. Those who supported Obama now loathe Clinton. Romney supporters ended up loathing McCain, and vice versa.

    Having little chat circles like this only speeds the process. EVery incident gets chewed over, with the most diabolical spin imparted to the opponent, and the most virtuous spin imparted to the preferred candidate.

    Keep at it for a few months and its a miracle that people arent taking up arms...

    [ Parent ]

    Gotta love the New Politics Obama inspires (5.00 / 3) (#203)
    by davnee on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 04:08:00 PM EST
    "All modern political campaigns are designed to provoke loathing of the other."  Gotta hand it to you.  At least you are honest about the scum your guy traded in to get where he was going.

    So we have established that his candidacy was built on a sham (new politics), and peddling scum (villainizing opponents).  So is there anything else?  You know like an issue that your candidate stands for, or a qualification your candidate offers?  We've seen sham, and we've seen scum.  I await substance.

    [ Parent ]

    Garden - part three (5.00 / 4) (#147)
    by waldenpond on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:43:00 PM EST
    Front garden:  The tulips are gone and in their place are purple heuchera with feathery white flowers on tall stems, multitudes of purple, pink and white dainthus.  I have just added some small mounded purple daisy called brachycome and two more salvia for the hummingbirds.  Interesting that love-in-a-mist is growing in the redwood sorrel as they have never been planted in my yard.  Birds perhaps?

    Under the two paper bark birches...Purple pincushion flowers are abundant tucked within their rocks.  Stocks of purple veronica poke up through scarlet verbena and lime green succulents.  Three globes of lavendar have small buds and smell wonderful when brushed up against when weeding, they sit next to a silvery santolina whose round, yellow buds are just beginning to open.  In the background are the ferns and a large yellow yarrow whose heads are so heavy the branches bend when the sun warms them.

    Backyard garden:  In the stacked block bed, just picked another 30 or so strawberries that are growing under the roses and around the snapdragons.  The dusty rose callas, that were a gift, are thriving and the hummingbirds have been visiting the deep purple salvia.  The globe allium are about 4 ft tall and the tops are getting larger.  The fun part is tearing the last of the paper cover off when the globe is ready to pop free.  The best part is when they are six inches across and covered with bumblebees.  Cheerful johnny-jump-ups, small sorrel and dianthus make the bed is so full no dirt shows.

    Over the playhouse the clematis dances in the breeze.  The sedum is so huge this year the saxifraga is barely visible.  Though the bearded iris were slow this year, the white foxgloves that thrash when a hard wind hits them made up for it.  White and pink astilbe hide against the fence to avoid the sun.  Who knew that dead nettle has pink blossoms?  That's been a well-kept three year secret.

    Westside garden: The quaking aspen and fig trees are full.  The wisteria is done but the memory of the scent one gets when brushing against them while tending it's garden neighbors still lingers.  The penstemon are satisfying the hummingbirds after just one years growth and the scarlet fuchsia that will take over when they are done is coming on strong.  Monarch butterflies rest on the orange daisy type flowers.  Across the driveway, the huckleberry is covered with red-purple berries that the birds will enjoy this fall.  The large needled pine tree is shading ever spreading baby tears and wild violets.  Herbs are budding and the rosemary looks oily when the sun hits it.  The iris are done and the drying stems are quickly being covered by growing twinspur.

    Patio garden:  yes, the fish are doing fine in their tile surrounded container.  The fish expect food when the gray cat sits on the cedar edging and licks at the water.   The umbrella has just gone up.. more to shade the fine needled eucalyptus that suffers from the sun rather than the people and gives the heliotrope, campanula and pansies (all purple) a rest. The honeysuckle is done, so is the rose that sits on the trellis.  They have been pruned back as they will be commanded to give another performance this summer.   The patio doesn't lack from their absence though as the eucalyptus, carnations and scented geranium take on the job.  It's nice to sit on the benches, watch the bright yellow goldfinch on the feeder, maybe take a picture or two, lean the head back to enjoy the sun on face only to be startled by a diving hummingbird.

    How goes it in your yard?

    My yard is a mess... (5.00 / 2) (#153)
    by kredwyn on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:49:04 PM EST
    I did some weeding earlier today and yesterday. But there's more than I can handle right now.

    Planted some verbena and a few other plants to try and add some color. I have wildflowers from the seeds I planted. But I'm having trouble discerning between them and the weeds...they aren't flowering yet ::sigh::

    The high winds and showers have been tossing other seeds around. So I've got strange stuff coming up in my herb pots with the regular herbs.

    Have decided to talk to the guy who does the neighbor's yard. He's trying to get a business started...and offered to help out with the weeding and the mulching.

    I just started a new job a couple Mondays ago...so that's made it even worse.

    Here comes another thunderstorm...

    [ Parent ]

    I'll bite (5.00 / 1) (#216)
    by echinopsia on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 04:39:05 PM EST
    Since I am waiting out the hottest part of the day before I go back out to mow the grass and water in the cool of the evening. (watering roolz) I'm sitting by an open window and the fragrance of flowers is drifting in with the breeze.

    In the front, the iris and the peonies are done, and the tansy is flowering in clouds of miniature daisies in all the beds where it self-seeded. I'll cut it back or pull it out after the blooms fade. The blue penstemon is in bloom, and has also seeded itself everywhere, including in the buffalo grass. The grass itself is in its third summer from seed and is filling in nicely - and I love that it's kind of blue-green and very fine, and it has to be watered and mown about one-quarter as much as KBG.

    Asiatic lilies, Shasta daisies, columbine, Parker's yarrow, veronica, salvia, catnip, red pine-leaf penstemon, dianthus, centranthus, blanket flower, and geraniums are all in bloom - in orange, yellow, blue, red, pink, magenta and purple. It's a riot of blooms, a xeriscaped cottage garden. Day lilies, butterfly bush, coreopsis, globe thistle, kniphofia, torch lilies, coneflower and Joe Pye weed are all coming on strong for July. Unfortunately the picket fence I laboriously painted two springs ago is starting to peel and fade.:-(

    This morning I hand-pulled weeds from the beds and grass in front, snipped the iris flower stalks and spread a thick layer of mulch. I'm slowly depleting the ten-yard pile of mulch I had delivered two years ago.

    In back, almost everything in and around the pond is in full bloom - heucheras, centranthus, penstemon palmeri (one plant from two years ago has reseeded itself around in every shade from pure white through pale pink to lavender to purple), yellow pineleaf penstemon, salvia, columbine, geranium. The water mint is blooming pale blue, the moneywort bright yellow, and the water parsley white. I'm going to have to cut them back, they're about to obscure the waterfall. The waterlilies aren't budding yet, but the leaves are spreading - soon the white koi that is visibly engorged with eggs will spawn under the leaves and then I'll have baby fish.

    The herb garden is ridiculously lush, with the tarragon flopping all over everything, and the lovage over six feet tall, dwarfing the bronze fennel. The chives are just about done blooming. Lavender is just about there.

    The vegetables (tomatoes, collards, cukes, artichoke, corn, squash, beans) are getting off to a slow start because we've had an unusually cool spring. Today it's almost 90 so that should give them a boost.

    The purple osteospermum are tracking the sun, the zinnias and moss rose are about to bloom for the first time, the feather reed grass is about three feet tall. My old cat Henry is sprawled out in the grassy shade like a tiger in a jungle. The Herbstonne redbeckia I snagged at the end of last summer from the bargain bin - root-bound, straggly, all but dead - have come back like gangbusters and are already two feet tall. By August they'll be over six feet tall and crowned with blooms.

    I love summer. I love my garden. As much work as it is, there is nothing that gives me more pleasure.

    Pictures here.

    [ Parent ]

    Politalkix, please (5.00 / 0) (#161)
    by Valhalla on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 02:59:50 PM EST
    use the hyperlink function in your posts instead of copying in the whole url.  Jeralyn has asked us to to that bc the urls mess with the site formatting.  (you can use the little chain symbol in the Post Comment screen, next to the underline symbol).

    The percentages of each party that is satisfied with their nominees means fairly little without knowing overall numbers of each.  And showing that satisfaction determines voting behavior.  Goodness knows I've been dissatisfied with Dem nominees in the past but voted for them anyway.

    Not this year, though.

    Chinese Drilling Off Cuba! (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by creeper on Sat Jun 14, 2008 at 03:03:39 PM EST
    Found this on the McClatchy website.  (I love McClatchy.  They report the news.)

    Citing columnist George Will, Cheney on Wednesday told the U.S. Chamber o