50% +1 of the allotted votes to me makes the number 2209 regardless of whether Florida and Michigan are seated. FL and MI still have delegates allotted to them, they're just presently not seated, but I don't see why they would not count in the final number.

For example -- and my personal favorite resolution -- they might strip both states of their SDs but count all of the elected delegates just as they were voted (maybe with MI undecided going to Obama).

I do agree with J that:

You can't expect an air of legitimacy to surround a nominee when 2.3 million voters are excluded from making the determination.

Why do you suppose that is, hmmmmm?  If they thought he had it locked up and were comfortable with that, they'd be trampling each other in the rush to get on board.

I am curious what the current polling in these states reflects for Obama and Clinton. I haven't seen an analysis of the change in pledged delegate counts if polling data is applied to the delegates (using either a full or 1/2 delegate measure and an averaged poll result).

Has anyone run that analysis? Just curious.

I think the public perception is that Obama has won the nomination at this point. I think that perception will be further enforced with the remaining primaries. Reversing that perception will only serve to increase Clinton's negatives for the General Election.

So, many here state repeatedly that Obama can't beat McCain. I don't think the polls bear that out. I think Obama will destroy John McCain on the major issues: the "War", the economy, and Healthcare.

Second, it's the election, not the ROOLz, that I'm focused on.  I don't give a frak about the ROOLz.  I want the White House.  I want MI and FLA to go Democratic.  As things stand now, FLA definitely will not go blue, and MI is problematic.

1. Obama feels he has no chance here in the general election, and therefore feels like it's okay to kill the Democratic party in Florida (and Michigan?): thanks for all that party-building, Obama!
   
2. The Democratic party could care less about enfranchising Florida Democrats; more party-building! and
   
3. the systemic breakdown of the Democratic party, as evidenced by its spinelessness on every subject conceivable since they won back Congress in 06, is on full display now.

2290 should have been the number all along, since the DNC refused to count MI and FL.  The job of Dean and Brazile is to educated voters, not use their position to back their candidate.

I can just tell you all very honestly...from the perspective of an environment I spend over 9 hours a day (WORK) and includes Americans of Hispanic origin from over 12 countries in Latin America and Spain and the political mood in our office about 55% for Hillary, 35% for McCain and 10% for Obama.  Although we come from different political campaigns, we ALL agree that Florida and Michigan must count and therefore the number to become a nominee is 2209.  Nothing less will be accepted from Floridians, McCain will be number 2.  Most in Florida feel cheated first by our own government and the DNC but now with Obama as well.  His high-paid lawyers assured we would be disenfranchised.  That's unity?  No.  Barack Obama is the Manchurian Candidate.  Florida will never support him.

And that's from a Miami Hispanic and Jewish perspective.  And after the comments from the CNN "DNC" spokesperson that WE the Hispanics are part of the old coalition...in what world does she live in?  Well after a failed political campaign career, I'm not surprised.

Our people for the most part all across America support Hillary Clinton.  Hispanics will flock to McCain if Obama gets the Democratic Election.

After Brazile flapped her mouth about not needing the white blue collar folks, we don't need her, Dean, or the DNC. So much for that 50 state thing, BTW.

The whole CNN panel (is there ever a single Clinton supporter in that lot? They were all Obama fans - Davis called in longdistance) ridiculed the MI and Fl vote count  thing immediately (esp. Gergen) and Brazile's blood pressure went up and she had the usual back and forth as expected w. Davis calling him "Baby" in her condescending manner, of course, and telling everyone Obama was not responsible and did nothing wrong. When Davis came back on air later he repeated that Obama was most def. at fault and that he had blocked the revote. Maybe CNN has a transcript available.  

Host Anderson Cooper is no help. He sounded like a total nitwit. Guess he never heard that the MI and Fl issue was a huge problem for the Dems. The rest also acted as if it was a nonissue. Not worth their precious punditry time.

And then we have people who just do not seem to understand the basic principles of democracy, the importance of the integrity of the vote, and some of the worst offenders are the people who are in charge of the process and who are making the rules - for my money, the DNC is worse than useless, it has crossed over to being dangerous.

There are 50 states in this union.  50.  Not 48, not 48 plus 2 half-states.  50.  And those 50 states each have delegates.  Add them up, divide them in half and add 1: that's the number, and there is no magic about it.  

Stop with the blather about Obama not being on the ballot and Clinton saying the votes wouldn't count.  Voting may be one of the most important things we do a citizens; as I tell my kids, it's the responsibility we have for the privilege of living in a free society, and I'm at a loss to explain people who never vote.

The nomination belongs to no one at this point.  It's not in anyone's bag.  And it will be a mistake for any candidate to get it without according Florida and Michigan the delegates that go along with their seats at the convention.  As to how they get divvied up - it's time to deal with what is, to suck it up and - if some people have to - act like adults who care more about the principles and less about themselves.

Stop gloating, please.  For some of us, this has been really painful, and we don't understand why that makes some of you so happy that you seem to live for coming here, twisting the knife and pouring salt in our wounds.  It's not winning us over to your side, not making us feel the unity or the hope, so have the decency to back off.

I am Independent now.  So I may vote for him or I may not.  Not sure.  

So the real question is -- what is the Obama camp afraid of?  They have every advantage imaginable (fund raising, media support, SD momentum, etc.), and they won't do the right thing.

Given the amount of participation we've had in IN, OH, I can't see anyone begrudging Hilary to run a clean campaign, stay in the race, and run the campaign against McCain.  

But Obama is going to be the nominee, barring meltdown.  By every conceivable metric, delegates, votes, states, etc.