Hillary Has Second Best Fundraising Month, $22 Million

Hillary Has Second Best Fundraising Month, $22 Million

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:01:47 PM EST
Tags: Hillary Clinton, 2008 (all tags)

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Hillary Clinton raised $21 million in April, her second best month ever. Barack Obama raised $31 million. And for the first time, Obama spent more money than he raised. He spent $36 million in April.

For a candidate the media has written off, that's an incredible achievement.

The amount includes the $10 million she raised in one night, but not the $5 million she loaned the campaign. In other words, it's all contributions. The full report is here.

Hillary also picked up two superdelegates yesterday, one in Ohio and one in Massachussetts.

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Hillary Has Second Best Fundraising Month, $22 Million | 162 comments (162 topical)

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Kind of odd that Obama outspends her 4:1 in all (5.00 / 8) (#1)
by Angel on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:06:44 PM EST

these primaries but he still can't close the deal. Guess it proves that money can't buy everything.

He spent more then he raised (5.00 / 6) (#2)
by angie on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:07:32 PM EST

and she won more states and popular vote then he did. Not a good sign, imo.

hey, now! (5.00 / 7) (#40)
by Kathy on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:47:03 PM EST

Where are all those folks who were screaming that the fact that Obama was running such a great campaign proves that he would be able to run the country? Wasn't that one'a them straw arguments they were using to prop up his experience gap? (Or, as the Orange Satan would frame it, "Experience has an Obama problem")

What's the argument now?

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"Experience has an Obama problem" (5.00 / 3) (#47)
by nycstray on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:53:42 PM EST

LOL!~ perfect.

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Slowly but surely (5.00 / 5) (#48)
by Ga6thDem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:54:06 PM EST

every argument has fallen by the wayside:

Republicans voting for him? No
Independents voting for him? No
Working class voters voting for him? No

And the list goes on. He peaked in Feb.

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you forgot (5.00 / 3) (#54)
by Kathy on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:56:35 PM EST

His favorables were lower than hers
He polled better against McCain
He polled better against Clinton
Her voters would vote for him; his would not vote for her
"Look, a shiny penny!"

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I heard the guy from HuffPo (none / 0) (#158)
by zfran on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:12:27 AM EST

say (actually he was shouting) that he won the working class vote in OR.

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Like all the Bubbles we have seen (5.00 / 1) (#91)
by Stellaaa on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:27:47 PM EST

Dot bombs, then real estate, then the Obamabubble. Of course the media had a great assist in those other bubbles.

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Experience has an Obama problem (none / 0) (#73)
by chrisvee on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:13:49 PM EST

Bwa! 21 million of them, apparently.

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she's running a great campaign... (none / 0) (#130)
by Ovah on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:58:28 PM EST

..right into the ground. HRC is $20m in debt, spent $2m more than she took in, in April, and had $29m on hand at the end of April.

Obama has $2m in debt, $46m on hand at the end of April, and spent $36m while taking in $31 for April.

Net campaign contributions for HRC $193m, net expenditures $185mil

Net campaign contributions for Obama $264m, net expenditures $218m.

Hillary had every advantage from the start of this campaign, the Clinton name, political infrastructure, and people yearning for the "Clinton era".

She is losing to an African American whose first name rhymes with Iraq, middle name is a man who people saw as one of the worst dictators of the world, and his last name sounds like the man who orchestrated the worst terrorist attack in history.

I don't think you can say she is running a great campaign.

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Isn't that a bad sign for our future economy? (none / 0) (#88)
by blogtopus on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:26:41 PM EST

If this guy runs a campaign on 2-3 times the spending of his opponent and still can't put it away without disenfranchising millions, ignoring national polls, bullying caucus goers, AND HE HAS THE MEDIA IN HIS CORNER, then what does this mean he'll do to our already fragile economy when he comes into power.

I don't think people are going to be willing to put out all that money for him once he's in office, especially if he demands it in the form of taxes.

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Heh. (5.00 / 6) (#3)
by madamab on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:08:04 PM EST

Obama is spending more than he is bringing in.

This proves that Hillary is more fiscally responsible! ;-)

I meant to tell you that (5.00 / 2) (#5)
by katiebird on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:09:56 PM EST

I signed your petition

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Thanks katiebird! :-) :-) (none / 0) (#10)
by madamab on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:15:32 PM EST

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: I missed it, plz link to petition? n/t (none / 0) (#121)
by eleanora on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:41:22 PM EST

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Didn't we just get this factor (5.00 / 2) (#29)
by waldenpond on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:39:07 PM EST

drummed in to us on the other thread (and on other days) that Obama was the better candidate because he could manage his budget? Oh the irony. :)

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well, (5.00 / 1) (#41)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:48:01 PM EST

our girl is in the red, though. she has to try and stay viable with big ad buys that the bottomless money pit of Oprah, er, I mean Obama has at his disposal.

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An odd statement... (1.00 / 1) (#19)
by EddieInCA on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:27:20 PM EST

...given that one (Obama) has a huge fundraising lead, and a huge donor base with no real debt.

And one (Clinton) has had to go into debt, personal debt, to finance her campaign.

I would suggest that the person with much more money in the bank in this case is more fiscally responsible.

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I think that odd smiley face... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
by Marco21 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:29:40 PM EST

is winking at you from that post.

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: [giggle] (none / 0) (#32)
by madamab on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:43:05 PM EST

Sometimes you just gotta laugh.

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and that would be Hillary (5.00 / 4) (#26)
by angie on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:35:14 PM EST

with upwards of $90 million in the bank for the GE (Obama only has about $8 million). So, you really should get your facts straight before you start the "whoever has more money in the bank is more fiscally responsible" meme because, bless your heart, I'm sure that isn't what you meant.

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: I'd like to gloat on this one, too, (5.00 / 1) (#106)
by JavaCityPal on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:33:10 PM EST

but, logically, he needs to spend his money or give it back at this point. I don't believe they can move remaining money into the GE funds because of the donation limits.
His GE war chest might be getting the donations at this point. He'll just have to return all that money when Hillary gets the nomination.

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so did Hillary (none / 0) (#133)
by Ovah on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:03:10 PM EST

and can anyone explain why the FEC filing for April doesn't reflect the "record breaking" $10m raised in 24hrs the day after the PA primary. The FEC report only shows $1.7m for April 23rd.

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2008/M5/C00431569/A_DATE_C00431569.html

just wondering, I'm sure that she wouldn't make something up like that.

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Depends (none / 0) (#146)
by chrisvee on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:24:18 PM EST

Do the reporting requirements mandate reporting on the date pledged or the date received/collected?

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: I don't know, (none / 0) (#147)
by Ovah on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:32:44 PM EST

but I would think all the contributions made in that 24hr period were done on-line with a credit card and would be considered received. I know the contributions I have made showed the date of the transaction on my statement as the same day.

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(grinning) I'm smiling all over (5.00 / 5) (#4)
by katiebird on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:08:52 PM EST

I've supported a lot of losing candidates. Hillary's campaign doesn't feel like that at all.

I've been telling people at work that she's going to win. And they sigh with relief.

Thanks, Jeralyn, for sharing the good news.

: Hillary is a winner (5.00 / 1) (#110)
by stillife on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:37:12 PM EST

even if she doesn't get the nom. The Democratic Party is the loser.

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Been trying to keep up with all posts (5.00 / 4) (#6)
by Lil on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:10:42 PM EST

and comments today. A slow peacefulness is beginning to set in. This is all so far past a tipping point... Like a greek tragedy, it just all needs to play out. For the moment I feel like whoever wins there are bigger things at stake...race, gender, fixing our nominating system, the media, the blogging community, etc. No amount of fretting is going to change things. At this point each character needs to play his/her part to the conclusion of the darn play. I feel like an audience member who just needs to sit back and watch how it all plays out. Of course later I'll be wrining my hands like the chorus in the play, but for now...

Btw, just in case we still have some influence I'll send Hillary some cash. It did surprise me that she pulled in so much money, so I won't quite give up on her yet.

: your donating (5.00 / 5) (#44)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:49:20 PM EST

to Hillary is not making you an audience member, it puts you on the front lines.
And for that, I salute you.

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: I sent her cash yesterday. (none / 0) (#159)
by zfran on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:16:28 AM EST

Rise, Hillary, rise!!

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Obama's (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by Ga6thDem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:11:22 PM EST

money has to be starting to dry up somewhat after Mar 4 when he started losing all the swing states. I understand he has no money set aside for the general election either. I wonder if he'd be able to raise it. I'd certainly question giving money to candidate who continued to spend money hand over fist and lose. At this rate, there is no amount of money that can make him electable.

Does anyone know... (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by indymom on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:14:59 PM EST

Does Hillary have money put aside for GE?

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Yes, several million. (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by masslib on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:16:49 PM EST

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About 80M? Can she use to run for VP? (5.00 / 1) (#50)
by ineedalife on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:54:54 PM EST

If she has 80 million in the bank for the general that is the reason right there for Obama to choose her for VP if he makes it to the top spot. That maybe why the money folks are talking.

Personally, I think she should turn her back on him if it works out that way. He has train wreck written all over him. Meteoric rise leads to a meteoric fall.

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If he puts her on the ticket (none / 0) (#57)
by nycstray on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:59:31 PM EST

for her money (and experience but he won't admit that!), it will be a very sad day.

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: She Wouldn't Take It. n/t (none / 0) (#92)
by creeper on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:28:31 PM EST

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Question..the Constitution says (none / 0) (#160)
by zfran on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:18:59 AM EST

that the one who comes in second is the vice president. Am I mis-interpreting this?

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I've read that she has a lot for the GE if she (5.00 / 0) (#13)
by Lil on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:16:49 PM EST

can get to it.

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About 20 million (none / 0) (#46)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:52:44 PM EST

According to this:

http://2008central.net/2008/04/21/fec-report-hillary-clinton-april-monthly-2008/

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I heard on CNN (yeah, why should I trust them?) (none / 0) (#56)
by Kathy on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:59:28 PM EST

that it was much, much higher than that.

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: I read that she has (5.00 / 1) (#125)
by eleanora on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:44:18 PM EST

a ton of big donors lined up who have promised to donate for the GE if she gets the nom, but are maxed out in the primary. After Kerry retaining that last $13m in 04, I can see where people don't want to give until they're sure what it will go to.

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Her money people have been (none / 0) (#37)
by waldenpond on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:46:08 PM EST

meeting with his. Don't ask for the link, it was at noquarter or corrente. He is also in talks with the DNC. I also read Patty Solis-Doyle may go to PR for Obama. I know they are talking but I had no idea she would get involved in the primary. Sounds odd.

Question.. can the donors ask for their money to be transferred from Clinton to Obama? or will she just roll the GE money and her primary over to her NY senate race?

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Doyle (5.00 / 2) (#53)
by Ga6thDem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:56:01 PM EST

said that she wasn't going to work for Obama.

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Doyle (none / 0) (#85)
by delacarpa on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:25:24 PM EST

You are right as she said she has been with Clinton for 17 years. When Clinton was 1st lady her office was right next to CLinton's and when her baby was sleeping Hillary would hang the sign on the door,,,,baby sleeping.

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: I love that story (none / 0) (#155)
by thereyougo on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:07:13 AM EST

She's such a great role model for the American way.
just wow.

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She will roll it over to her NY Senate race (5.00 / 2) (#61)
by angie on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:00:17 PM EST

and she will also transfer the debt that the Obama supporters are getting so hysterical about -- that way, at the end of the day if she is not the nominee her campaign debt will be paid in full and she will have a healthy little nest egg for her next run.

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Those SD's (5.00 / 2) (#8)
by Ga6thDem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:13:09 PM EST

like Ben Chandler have got to be having major heartburn after last night. I'm sure Obama is trying to hold off some of the defections.

Obama picked up 2 more SDs today (2.00 / 0) (#14)
by IndiDemGirl on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:16:51 PM EST

His lead keeps growing. The only ones defecting are those in the Hillary camp. In fact, can you name one SD who has defected from the Obama. Nope.

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Hmm (5.00 / 3) (#24)
by Ga6thDem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:32:17 PM EST

don't you think Chandler is having heartburn when the candidate he endorsed got blown out in his district?

The defections are probably going to start soon for Obama. He can't continue to post 30-40 point losses. He's in serious trouble right now. Even the news is reporting that Obama "is calling himself the presumptive nominee" not that he actually is. He's spending money hand over fist to lose. Yeah, that's really great isn't it?

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Hey Indigirl- those of us not supporting Obama (5.00 / 2) (#70)
by kenosharick on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:10:12 PM EST

are already called ignorant racists among other things. Can you imagine how any superdelegates that would dare leave him would be attacked?

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: Appalachians maybe? (none / 0) (#111)
by IndiDemGirl on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:37:54 PM EST

LOL!

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they can't defect (none / 0) (#79)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:18:55 PM EST

once they are in the compound they are not allowed to leave.

THOSE ARE THE RULZ!

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Reread your post (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by Lil on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:15:52 PM EST

and was reminded about the SD's that came out for her. It felt like that may never happen again, while Obama was pulling them in. That felt good to see some SD's finally come out for her. Has Obama picked up any since yesterday, if you know, and is there a sense that she may start getting a few more in her column or is this just a one time thing for now?

google (5.00 / 1) (#17)
by nellre on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:22:01 PM EST

7 Ore. superdelegates mum on presidential choices

Democratic superdelegate Rep. Joe Courtney backs Obama

Ohio Superdelegate goes for Clinton

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Martha Coakley in MA (5.00 / 4) (#64)
by Boston Boomer on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:04:21 PM EST

endorsed Hillary yesterday. I'm sure more would like to come out for her. She is looking more and more like a winner, while Obama looks weak. As Lanny Davis said last night, why would superdelegates want to send the weaker candidate against McCain?

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All the Southern SDs (none / 0) (#148)
by Eleanor A on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:00:09 PM EST

are waiting to see what's going to happen. No WAY are they going to embrace a candidate who's going to lose their state by 30+ points unless there's absolutely no way around it.

This thing will get decided at the Convention. I'm getting more sure of it every day.

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: Oh, and by (none / 0) (#149)
by Eleanor A on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:03:27 PM EST

"lose their state by 30+ points" I mean Obama. He can kiss every state in the South - including Florida and Virginia - goodbye. There's just no way.
(It's been cracking me up to see people putting Virginia in his camp. It's still chock full of Republicans. And Tim Kaine and Jim Webb are NOT Massachusetts-style liberal Democrats....Kaine, who everybody loves to hold out as their favorite Southern "progressive" for Obama, is anti-choice and has not stopped the death penalty from being implemented, though he claims he is personally opposed to it.)

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Yes he picked up 2 plus (none / 0) (#15)
by IndiDemGirl on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:18:32 PM EST

the United Mine Workers endorsed him -- if those things really mean anything anymore.

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UMW (none / 0) (#81)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:20:13 PM EST

i would think a very big deal. but ur attitude makes me think different.

just more of that unity pony creative class lovin'!

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I wasn't putting the UMW down -- I just (none / 0) (#122)
by IndiDemGirl on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:42:16 PM EST

don't know how much "union" endorsements mean anymore. I think there was a day when the members really voted for who was endorsed. Today, not so much.

Of course, as an Obama supporter I'm glad he got the nod, just like I'm glad Edwards endorsed him. But I don't know how much that will help in the remainder of the primary.

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ANYTIME (none / 0) (#128)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:46:21 PM EST

labor supports or endorses you it's a good thing.

I see that ur independent. REAL Democrats value and seek those types of endorsements. Hopefully more on the Obama side do not diminish that fact.

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: I am a REAL Democrat (none / 0) (#145)
by IndiDemGirl on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:05:52 PM EST

and belonged to a teacher's union before having my daughter a few years ago. I also helped organize the support staff in our district and was there verifying the vote when they voted for the union. I'm thrilled Obama got the endorsement of the United Mine Workers.
I guess my tone didn't come through accurately in my comment. I can't get the knack of these blog comments - I still prefer old-fashioned letters.
Remember, I was replying to a question about SuperDs for Obama. I listed the SUperDs, then added the UMW endorsement. My comment had more to do with whether the other poster only cared about endorsements which translated into nomination votes than a slam against unions.
I am a union lovin' Dem. Always have been; always will be.
Though, I still feel that unions, sadly, have lost some of their power in delivering votes. See comment below yours for another view.

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Let me put it to you this way, (none / 0) (#140)
by RalphB on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:16:54 PM EST

Union endorsements mean a lot or nothing, depending on the members. The Culinary Workers endorsed Obama in NV, but the majority of the members voted for Hillary. The voters of WV and KY already voted for Hillary by wide margins so, in this case, I'd say the endorsement isn't worth too much.

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On the union endorsement, I heard (none / 0) (#161)
by zfran on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:22:27 AM EST

that not all their workers are lined up behind "management"

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UMW (none / 0) (#105)
by creeper on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:32:57 PM EST

You're kidding, right?

After her wins in West Virginia and Kentucky?

Crazy. Scratch that. Curious...

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John Edwards I believe has some pull (none / 0) (#123)
by IndiDemGirl on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:42:55 PM EST

with that UMW endorsement.

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: Gosh, I Wish (none / 0) (#137)
by creeper on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:09:38 PM EST

you hadn't said that. Now I'm mad at Edwards all over again.

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The SD fear of being called racist What say you? (5.00 / 2) (#16)
by Saul on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:21:39 PM EST

No matter how good Hilary looks in winning the GE, the supers do not have the guts of moving her way for fear of a looking like racist if they do not move to Obama. I feel their decisions in deciding have nothing to do with who has the better chance of winning the GE. I don't think that is even in their minds. Look at Byrd. You know that in the back rooms he probably said,

Yeah Hilary won my state big time and I know I should follow the will of the people of my state by picking her and I also know that she is the better candidate overall to win the GE but if I vote for her I will look like a racist.

Which is why Hillary must take it to convention. (5.00 / 3) (#23)
by felizarte on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:31:47 PM EST

The supers at least will not get harassed between now and the time they cast their vote in the convention. That goes for some who were pressured into supporting Obama like Lewis of New York who was threatened with political blackmail by AA leaders.

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Well you can say that..... (5.00 / 2) (#67)
by Mrwirez on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:07:32 PM EST

but Hillary won 61 of 67 counties in PA. ANYONE of the SD's that vote against her must run again..... There will be a price to pay somewhere. NUMBER 1 on my list is Bob Casey Jr. From now until he has to get re-elected I will tell everyone of my union brothers NOT to vote for him. My union used money from my labor to vote his a$$ in. He is a wimp.

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: Only two SDs in TN have gone Obama (none / 0) (#150)
by Eleanor A on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:06:30 PM EST

Jim Cooper and Steve Cohen...from the only two counties in the state, just about, that went for Obama.
Which is why I continue to think this will go to convention. People are just not going to cross their states and districts in mass numbers to support Obama.
Even SDs in caucus states aren't going to embrace him, because they know that had those states held primaries, Hillary would have won.
I just can't believe these Obama people that are completely underestimating the self-interest of the average politician.

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Then, he needed to keep his vote to (none / 0) (#118)
by JavaCityPal on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:40:10 PM EST

himself.

He may have helped with getting the union to endorse.

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Meaning that another narrative... (none / 0) (#152)
by lambertstrether on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:26:40 AM EST

... must be created. No doubt those who are supposed to be paying attention to such things are paying attention....

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This Ain't Over (5.00 / 6) (#18)
by facta non verba on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:24:45 PM EST

I'm fired up. If you read the pro-Hillary blogs, there is a buzz, an energy, more than just hope but a drive and a zeal to close the deal for Hillary. It's just amazing.

The Confluence
Anglachel Journal
By The Fault
Suburban Guerrilla

And I am sending Hillary more cash because she deserves my support. She's amazing. I have never been so proud of a politician. She stands for all of us, not just some of us.

Just Watched That Video Posted On By The (5.00 / 1) (#42)
by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:48:18 PM EST

Fault...spectacular!! And, unless you are completey stupid, you can see exactly how she has been run thru the wringer by the sexist msm and talking heads. Honestly, Edward R. Murrow should come back from the dead and have a heart-to-heart with KO and tell him...Keith, you are NO Edward R. Murrow. You aren't fit to shine my shoes.

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Facta- I am a die hard Hillary supporter, but (none / 0) (#77)
by kenosharick on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:17:58 PM EST

have none of your confidence; I wish I did. There is no gaffe or scandal that will make the media slow down the love-fest. His supporters,the DNC, and many supers seem OBLIVIOUS to political reality. Unfortunately we will all pay the price.

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No Soup For You! (5.00 / 3) (#82)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:22:53 PM EST

We will have none of that defeatist talk around these parts ya here?

It's okay to be realistic but there's also nothing wrong with some guarded optimism. Remmeber, as long as Hillary fights, stand with her.

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oops! (none / 0) (#84)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:23:32 PM EST

meant to type "hear"

damn homonyms

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: don't give up, you knuckleheads!!! (5.00 / 1) (#97)
by Kathy on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:30:21 PM EST

don't you feel that breeze at your back? The winds are changing in our favor. Rise, Hillary, rise!

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I'm a realist (none / 0) (#144)
by facta non verba on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:58:40 PM EST

and I know it is a tough Hill to climb but you know there are moments when I just have so much confidence in Hillary. She never quits. That keeps me going too.

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Heard Mike Barnacle last night (none / 0) (#162)
by zfran on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:26:26 AM EST

dissing Hillary by saying that if Obama would put her on the ticket as vp it would "make Obama seem ordinary"...Imagine ordinary!@!!!! What a rude, bigoted thing to say. As if he were a saint!!! Unbelievable.

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I Pray That Everyone Of Your Comments (5.00 / 3) (#21)
by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:30:43 PM EST

are just as you say. Hillary HAS to be the next president. America cannot afford for her not to be....GO HILLARY!!!!

Yaay! Go Mass! n/t (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by Valhalla on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:30:59 PM EST

Does Anyone Else Notice That Every Time (5.00 / 1) (#25)
by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:34:52 PM EST

there is the least little bit of good news, trolls come on to rain on the parade. Do they just hover in the background here? Is obama paying them? Bueller, Bueller...

They do it becuase (5.00 / 5) (#35)
by angie on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:44:11 PM EST

their guy is in trouble and they actually think they can discourage us so that we can stop supporting her. HA! They forget that us "old" people know that slow and steady wins the race.

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: Old Age and Treachery (5.00 / 1) (#113)
by creeper on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:38:05 PM EST

will overcome youth and enthusiasm every time.
(evil grin)

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: Seems like ordinary politician tricks (none / 0) (#163)
by zfran on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:27:55 AM EST

to me...no change, oh, except this year there's more internet, business, tho', as usual.

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Nah, That's Just Unity Obama Style n/t (5.00 / 3) (#38)
by MO Blue on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:46:29 PM EST

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It's a great achievement for Hillary (5.00 / 4) (#27)
by bridget on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:35:35 PM EST

Her supporters really came thru for her.

I feel a lot better again today - was sort of depressed after listening to the pundit talk late last night - all acted as if it was all over for Hillary. Hillary won the night. And despite their not nec. better judgement it will make a difference for her campaign IMO.

Obama spent more than he took in last month (5.00 / 2) (#31)
by OxyCon on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:41:27 PM EST

..in a mostly losing effort. That's pretty bad return on his contributor's investment in him.

: Remember how Giuliani spent $48M (5.00 / 2) (#34)
by madamab on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:43:55 PM EST

for one delegate?
Now THAT was poor money management. LOL

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Hillary is raising all of this cash (5.00 / 5) (#33)
by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:43:36 PM EST

because people really do believe that her candidacy is about more than Hillary Clinton.

It's really about fighting to steer the DNC back on the right track.

Stay in until the convention, Hillary.

Gonna shoot her some cash right now.

This is how I know I'm (5.00 / 3) (#36)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:45:14 PM EST

a softie: When Hillary tells the story of that young man who sold his bike and raised a litle over $400 for her campaign. She was SO sweet to give him credit for his donation that "put Kentucky over the top for her."

I totally choked up, went for my wallet and made a donation. I WISHED I could find out how to buy that kid a new bike. I would do it in a heartbeat.

I think that she is very understanding and humble to say those kind of things. And when you do cruise her website she asks for just $5.

Five dollars. What a way to make someone feel that they are part of the process and truly make a difference. Because a lot of $5's adds up quick!

I absolutely love Hillary Clinton.

Okay (5.00 / 3) (#39)
by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:46:33 PM EST

I'm grabbing your string. Come back to earth ;-).

Remember, she is a politician. She's a good one, but she's still a politician.

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I heard the best description (5.00 / 4) (#49)
by madamab on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:54:11 PM EST

of her on Eschaton a while back:

"I believe she is motivated by a wonkish desire to do good."

Couldn't have said it better myself. :-)

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: I love that word (5.00 / 3) (#62)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:02:21 PM EST

"wonkish". Never heard it before until I started coming here.
Maybe I will make a donation because HRC is "wonkish".

OH! Guys, we need to make a donation to Talk Left/Jeralyn. All this talk of helping Hillary and we need to remember our fearless blog leader Jeralyn Merritt.
Going now to make a donation. She's got to need more bandwith by now!

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darn Teresa (5.00 / 1) (#59)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:59:58 PM EST

can't I have my moment? ;)

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I'm willing to bet that little boy (5.00 / 1) (#45)
by angie on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:49:47 PM EST

is getting a bike from the Clintons this Christmas. But you are right -- I donated when I read the story the first time and when she said it again last night.

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the old lady in the nursing home (5.00 / 4) (#51)
by Kathy on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:55:06 PM EST

who was born before women could vote, and died just after she cast her ballot for Hillary Clinton, got me.

And both cats.

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Every Time... (5.00 / 1) (#76)
by AmyinSC on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:17:43 PM EST

You mention your Hillary-supporting cats, Kathy, it makes me smile! Good kitties!!

It WAS a great story abt the boy, and the elderly woman who filled out her absentee ballot. I would be SHOCKED if that boy didn't get a new bike...

And I think Hillary is freakin' awesome, and I love her, too, Txpolitico!! Right there with ya!! I know she's a politician and everything, but she has done SO MUCH GOOD in her life - she is inspiring, and seems to be far more in touch with regular people than most pols. And she's FUNNY! I think she's dreamy... :-)

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hey now! (5.00 / 1) (#89)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:27:00 PM EST

there are two dogs AND a cat here in Fort Worth that are die hard Clinton supporters. Anytime I put her up on YouTube tails start waggin and barks and meows galore! (maybe moreso because everyone sees the Ziploc treats bag).

Anyway, neither man nor beast can resist Hillary at this domicile.

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do they put their money (none / 0) (#93)
by Kathy on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:28:39 PM EST

where their snout is?

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u betcha! (5.00 / 2) (#100)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:31:05 PM EST

last night i caught one of the pups with my credit card punching in the numbers at hillaryclinton.com

sneaky little puppy! i let him finish though.

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I listed one of mine as "home maker" (5.00 / 1) (#112)
by Kathy on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:38:00 PM EST

My Maine Coon is a self-employed researcher. (Highly educated)

We all have emailed Clinton in the last hour to URGE her to PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE represent herself in front of the Committee on the 31st. No one can present her case better than she can. She speaks for all of us. She is our voice. And PS: please send Purina Whisker Lickin' Tender Moments tuna flavored to the above listed address. It's the one in the blue jar. Thank you.

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: My ME coon (5.00 / 1) (#116)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:40:01 PM EST

is smarter than your Honor Student. THAT should be a bumper sticker for you! :)

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ROTFLMAO! (none / 0) (#102)
by AmyinSC on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:31:41 PM EST

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You ROCK (none / 0) (#120)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:41:06 PM EST

Amy!!!!

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Why, (none / 0) (#135)
by AmyinSC on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:07:54 PM EST

Thank y! :-)

Yes, that story was VERY moving. And SO nice to see a GOOD story abt Clinton instead of the CONSTANT framing for her to get the heck out of the race (which they are no doubt doing to try and make it difficult for the DNC to do the right thing, and make HER the nominee - shades of Gore v. Bush).

Did you see the "Memo to Hillary Clinton: Please Don't Quit" in the Kansas City Star? It was written by one of the editors! GREAT piece - again, nice to see some POSITIVE press on her!

And I love how y'all's pets are stealing your credit cards and going to Hillary Clinton Dot Com! SMART little things (or not so little, in the case of the Maine Coon!!)! Hmmm - maybe my border collie mix could figure out how to use the keyboard...(My cats and the other dog like Hillary a lot - especially when she laughs, but they keep spending their allowance on treats...)

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Once Again... (none / 0) (#136)
by AmyinSC on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:08:57 PM EST

Don't know WHAT the heck is goin on here, but here's the link for the Memo piece (old-school, and my apologies!): http://pd.kansascity.com/sp?aff=100&keywords=Memo+to+Hillary+Clinton%3A+Please+DOn%27t+Quit& submit=Go

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OK (none / 0) (#139)
by AmyinSC on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:14:43 PM EST

Thanks to WaldenPond, I can now do this:

Memo to Hillary Clinton

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waldenpond (none / 0) (#141)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:19:47 PM EST

HELP! I'm a low info voter and can't do they wonky link thing like Amy!

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Amy, can't get (none / 0) (#142)
by caseyOR on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:29:33 PM EST

Kansas City Star link to work. Help?

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: My Apologies!!! (none / 0) (#143)
by AmyinSC on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:37:18 PM EST

Let's try this one more blankety-blank time:
Memo to Clinton
And, TXPolitico67, WaldenPond has the directions down below a few posts! :-)

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howabout that story that a little girl bit her leg (none / 0) (#156)
by thereyougo on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:37:54 AM EST

at one of her campaign stops? strange!

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damn (none / 0) (#72)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:12:19 PM EST

i didn't hear that story.

hopefully a relative of hers will go pull the lever in her honor when HRC is the nominee.

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It's a GREAT Story! (none / 0) (#95)
by AmyinSC on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:29:22 PM EST

Here's the link:

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Darnit (5.00 / 1) (#98)
by AmyinSC on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:30:25 PM EST

I tried using the link function, and apparently failed...

Here it is the old-fashioned way: http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2008/05/11/news/top/doc4824d1811e44b266882827.txt

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Thank you (5.00 / 1) (#109)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:36:30 PM EST

for the link. I am sitting here with tears streaming down my face.

I just wished she could have lived long enough for her to win the nom and then the White House.

Here's to Florence Steen, and all those women who will hopefully see a woman take the White House this fall.

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Link function (none / 0) (#131)
by waldenpond on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:00:36 PM EST

Here you go: :)

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: THANK YOU! (none / 0) (#138)
by AmyinSC on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:10:24 PM EST

And I am sorry I didn't see this before doing the OTHER article!! I'm gonna go practice now...

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me too. (5.00 / 2) (#60)
by proudliberaldem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:00:01 PM EST

love her. i have admired her for a long time, but this is really something special. just amazing grit, smarts and class.

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Obama totally Fu@ked (5.00 / 2) (#55)
by Mrwirez on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:57:11 PM EST

up this whole election cycle. He divided the party....so much for the uniter, next he will say he is the "DECIDER" and nominate himself president. He's not gonna beat McCain, not in the swing states. We actually have a chance to take WV, Kentucky, Arkansas, Oklahoma, NV,NM along with the bluest of states. Obama can't win .... to many places and demographics to list. He GAMED the F'ing system. This was the time for Hillary to take command of this country while everyone's chips were down. I still don't see Obama winning around here (PA). I have never fought so hard (or spent so much $$)for a candidate as I did for this woman, Hillary Rodham Clinton! Time to donate $44.44 more.

Even the hated Karl Rove can't believe Obama can not knock her out. Interesting read : http://tinyurl.com/56gkva

Interesting article (5.00 / 1) (#63)
by Ga6thDem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:03:14 PM EST

Rove added, "The problems that Barack Obama has with working class voters are real, and they're not going away. It's cultural. They view him as an elitist -- as somebody who's condescending and doesn't share their values

This is true. He also said that he went to OR because he saw the poll numbers closing. Interesting thought is that in granola cruching oregon he couldn't get as big a win as Hillary did in KY.

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I heard him say that , too (5.00 / 2) (#80)
by bridget on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:19:12 PM EST

btw. I still don't understand why Obama had to go Iowa to do this song and dance thing when he knew he was going to win in Oregon. Why not talk to his supporters there? Why not have a celebration?

The only answer I have is that Obama knew Hillary would trounce him again B I G like last week - which she did of course - and so they decided to trump up some screenplay and asked the Obama stations to turn it into a film hoping everyone would forget all about Hillary's 35 point margin WIN.

I was not impressed by Obama's speech praising Hillary to the heavens after all what he and Edwards have thrown at her for months. All of a sudden he remembers his daughters?

Ah well.
I didn't buy it. Turned the TV off early.

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His speeches (5.00 / 1) (#94)
by Ga6thDem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:29:13 PM EST

are getting tedious. Of course, if this is all you have then it's all you have. If he's the nominee, by the time Nov. rolls around we'll all be so tired of being preached at that we'll be throwing shoes at the TV everytime he comes on.

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For someone (5.00 / 2) (#104)
by stillife on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:32:36 PM EST

who's run a "brilliant" campaign, Obama is politically tone-deaf, IMO. I think that the Iowa speech was originally supposed to be a "victory" speech until his advisers talked him out of it. Despite the MSM's determination to ignore the results in WV and KY, there's been considerable blow-back in the past week, with "Operation Turndown" and the women in Ohio and other states who are vowing not to vote for Obama. Now he's trying to make nice. I'm not impressed.

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He had a bit of a (5.00 / 1) (#107)
by Stellaaa on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:35:15 PM EST

"Dean Scream" thing going. And way, way too many words in each sentence. It's the kitchen sink speech approach, after a while it loses the listener.

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: I honestly don't think he is listening (5.00 / 1) (#114)
by Kathy on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:39:30 PM EST

to what he is saying anymore. He's just doing it by rote.

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Why Did He Go To Iowa? (none / 0) (#132)
by creeper on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:00:50 PM EST

I think he came here expecting that when the night was over the media would declare him unstoppable. He wanted to claim the mantle in the state that started it all and he thought the media would pave the way.

That didn't happen. It must have been a rude awakening.

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: Pushback, and some of it from us... (none / 0) (#153)
by lambertstrether on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:30:42 AM EST

... they really run when we call WWTSBQ. Ditto when we started labeling it a coronation. All that propagated like wildfire, and rightly so. They walked it back, had a committee go over the speech, and it was dull, dull, dull, and didn't detract from Hillary's victories.

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Give the Devil his due (5.00 / 2) (#69)
by stillife on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:10:10 PM EST

KKKarl gives good analysis. I hate to say it, but I always find his commentary interesting.

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Know thine enemy. (none / 0) (#78)
by madamab on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:18:24 PM EST

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: LOL (5.00 / 1) (#90)
by stillife on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:27:40 PM EST

The thing about KKKarl is, he's evil but he's rational. He knows a thing or two about political strategy and he can discuss it in an objective manner, as opposed to, say, Dick "Toe-Sucker" Morris.

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yep (none / 0) (#96)
by bigbay on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:30:03 PM EST

he's a good strategist. Completely wrong on the issues.

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: KKKarl doesn't do issues. (5.00 / 2) (#101)
by madamab on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:31:30 PM EST

He believes in power and winning and plutocracy.
Anything else is just window dressing.
He has no soul.

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Power (5.00 / 3) (#75)
by chrisvee on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:17:38 PM EST

For a candidate the media has written off, that's an incredible achievement.

Yes, it is. Despite the rhetoric of Obama advocates about how Hillary's career will be at an end if she doesn't cease and desist immediately, I think she's going to be in a very powerful position at the end of this primary regardless of the outcome.

Of course, I'm still rooting hard for her to be at the top of the ticket where she can have the most effect.

an extremely conservative republican told me (5.00 / 4) (#87)
by athyrio on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:26:22 PM EST

today that he is convinced that a democrat will win this election and of all the three people running he prefers Hillary over McCain or Obama...What a statement!!! She is winning the Reagan Democrats big time....

OMG, I was just fighting (5.00 / 1) (#119)
by eleanora on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:40:35 PM EST

about this issue another thread, wish I would have seen this first. I loved in the KY victory speech when the jazzed-up and excited audience chanted with her "hillaryclinton.com!" She's gotten so great at asking for money, which was really hard for her at first. She seems to understand now that we want to give what we can, so it's our campaign too. Go Hillary!

I bit the bullet and gave up lattes for April, so I could donate what I saved. The symmetry of the thing makes me happy :)

Gang, it's going to be a joint ticket (none / 0) (#28)
by Jim J on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:37:36 PM EST

just like a lot of us (no, not just you BTD) have said all along.

We'll see. (5.00 / 2) (#30)
by madamab on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:40:08 PM EST

I could reluctantly go for Clinton/Obama if necessary.

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Let's not rehash this again (5.00 / 2) (#43)
by angie on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:48:20 PM EST

Clinton/Obama is the only choice that isn't an insult to every self-respecting woman on the planet. Hillary Clinton would have much more influence where it matters as the Senator from NY (in RFK's seat no less) then she would as VP -- and Lanny Davis agrees.

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Since when is rehashing anything a problem here? (5.00 / 1) (#52)
by Jim J on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:55:15 PM EST

Come on. Have we got to the point where the only acceptable comment here is how Obama is inevitably going to lose 49 states?

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I apoligize Jim J (5.00 / 1) (#68)
by angie on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:08:10 PM EST

I can see how you read what I wrote as my saying "rehashing isn't allowed here" but that is not how I meant it when I wrote "let's not rehash this" -- I meant it as an expression of my own personal frustration about an Obama/Clinton Unity Ticket. Such a ticket will do little to nothing to assuage women like me -- however well intentioned, such a ticket will only reinforce the sexism that has been the driving but unacknowledged force in this campaign -- that the older more experience woman is inferior to the man. I am sure that your suggestion of it is meant well, but I see such a ticket as a slap in the face to Hillary and to me -- no amount of cheerleading for it is going to make me come around.

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naw, (none / 0) (#58)
by Ga6thDem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:59:42 PM EST

he's not going to lose 49 but article after article shows that it's unlikely that he'll reach 270. Too many demographic problems that can't be over come.

Hillary has turned down the joint ticket offer.

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Uh, what now?! (none / 0) (#66)
by madamab on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:05:22 PM EST

Where did you see this? Seems like huge news!!!

Details Pleeeez!

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: Lanny Davis (none / 0) (#99)
by Ga6thDem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:30:44 PM EST

said it last night on CNN. He said that Hillary WIL NOT be the vp candidate if she doesn't get the nomination. He said she'll go back to NY and be their senator. Good for her I say. I wouldn't want to be on a ticket with him anyway.

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What comments led you to (none / 0) (#71)
by waldenpond on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:10:46 PM EST

believe she would turn down a joint ticket? The only way I would ever vote for Obama is if Clinton were on the ticket. If Clinton chooses Obama, I could care less. I don't trust a Dem ticket that doesn't have Clinton on it.

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She did not "turn down" the VP spot (3.00 / 1) (#74)
by angie on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:17:19 PM EST

Lanny Davis said that in the unlikely event that Hillary is not the nominee, she would stay in the Senate where she would have more influence on policy then she would as VP.

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Thank you (5.00 / 1) (#86)
by stillife on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:26:12 PM EST

I really hate the meme being promulgated by the MSM talking heads that the only reason she's in it is b/c she wants to "force herself" on the ticket.

If Obama's the nominee, I do not want her to be the VP candidate. She has better things to do with her talents than bailing him out of his messes. It would be a thankless job, and I have no doubt that the press and the Obama supporters would blame her for his loss in November.

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: Well (5.00 / 2) (#103)
by Ga6thDem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:32:12 PM EST

it really wasn't put the way you think it was. They were asking would she consider VP and Davis said NO. I say good for her!

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: She'd Never Get The Chance (5.00 / 2) (#124)
by creeper on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:44:12 PM EST

to "bail him out" as Vice-President. Even with Hillary on the ticket I'm convinced we lose the election if Obama is the presidential nominee.
Something about silk purses and sow's ears.

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Ah, okay! (none / 0) (#83)
by madamab on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:23:19 PM EST

I see where that rumor was coming from. :-)

A telling remark from Lanny Davis.

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How (none / 0) (#65)
by txpolitico67 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:04:35 PM EST

mcGovernesque of you!

Barack will not best McGovern out of his 1972 whompin'. That would take a SUPREME loser.

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Joint Ticket (none / 0) (#115)
by creeper on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:39:50 PM EST

Scr*w that. There's no way anyone as smart as Hillary would board a sinking ship.

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Facta- I am a die hard Hillary supporter, but (none / 0) (#108)
by delacarpa on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:36:10 PM EST

Maybe there is hope because tomorrow at 2:00 there will be a press conference to tell wha the Media hasn't done and this info on William Ayers, and another party in Hawaii connected to Obama. Keep the hope that we will someday know the real story. Want info and I will it to you.

Hehn? (5.00 / 1) (#117)
by Kathy on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:40:02 PM EST

Who is calling a presser? Do you have a link?

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: beat me to it, Kathy. (none / 0) (#127)
by Lil on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:45:52 PM EST

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whose press conference? n/t (none / 0) (#126)
by Lil on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:44:32 PM EST

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Fundraising (none / 0) (#129)
by Teo1234 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:53:11 PM EST

yes, Hillary had a good fund raising month. Her supporters are clearly committed and I think that's good. I know there are some that won't vote for Obama. Heck a quarter of her people last night in Kentucky won't vote for Obama, either, based on his race alone.

I do think when this is over, the Obama people and the Clinton people will hug. . . or there will be a McCain first term. /

: False (none / 0) (#134)
by Steve M on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:07:17 PM EST

There is absolutely no factual evidence that "over a quarter of her people in Kentucky won't vote for Obama based on his race alone." That is an utter smear and fabrication.

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: How often have you hugged (none / 0) (#151)
by eleanora on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:29:28 PM EST

someone who called you a racist?

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What a Joke (none / 0) (#157)
by LefterNutter on Thu May 22, 2008 at 07:27:05 AM EST

Wow, just think of how many hungry Orphans that money could feed. Politics is such a pathetic joke!

JT
http://www.anondo.alturl.com

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