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WV Poll: Clinton By 38

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:57:07 AM EST
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Via MYDD, this WV poll says Clinton by 38:

56% of those surveyed indicate they will vote for Clinton compared to 18% for Obama. There are 26% undecided voters, according to the poll of 403 voters by Mark Blankenship Enterprises. Compared to a previous MBE poll in February, Clinton is up 13%, while Obama's numbers haven't changed.

In terms of the GE, Obama appears to have no chance in West Virginia while Clinton could likely win it:

The MBE poll also looks ahead to the fall election against the presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain. Of the Democrats and independent voters surveyed, Clinton shows up better against McCain in West Virginia. 62% of Democrats and independents indicated they would vote for Clinton over 24% for McCain. In a head to head matchup between Obama and McCain in WV, Obama received 37% support compared to McCain's 35%.

It seems clear that all the talk of Obama's 50 state strategy was just that, empty talk. His electoral map will look to the West.

By Big Tent Democrat

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    GO HILLARY...MAKE US PROUD...IT AIN'T OVER (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:58:19 AM EST
    People have got to see the light and that light is NOT obama.

    actually it is. (1.00 / 3) (#4)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:00:34 AM EST
    please lay out a realistic, rational path to the nomination.  there is none.  we need to move on to McCain.  together.

    [ Parent ]
    Look, you move on to McCain (5.00 / 10) (#6)
    by Stellaaa on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:01:22 AM EST
    and just let us amuse ourselves.  Have fun.  Ciao.  

    [ Parent ]
    what atrios said... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:04:13 AM EST
    At this point, however, Obama's won... I don't think Clinton has to drop out. She can continue to campaign through to the last contest if she wants (she doesn't need my permission to do so), though hopefully... the emphasis of the campaign shifts away from Obama's supposed lack of appeal to real Americans.


    [ Parent ]
    Atrios...another great thinker (5.00 / 8) (#20)
    by Stellaaa on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:09:31 AM EST
    Blogger boiz do not do my thinking.  

    [ Parent ]
    Oh Atrios (5.00 / 7) (#21)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:11:25 AM EST
    Keeper of all that is true. ;-).

    [ Parent ]
    Gotta understand (5.00 / 7) (#12)
    by Edgar08 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:05:24 AM EST
    anyone interested in real togetherness wouldn't have your attitude about other people and how they regard their candidate.


    [ Parent ]
    i would (none / 0) (#16)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:07:32 AM EST
    be behind hillary if the tables were flipped.  i care way more about the values, policies and execution of our party than either Obama or Clinton personally.  

    [ Parent ]
    Yes (5.00 / 4) (#17)
    by Edgar08 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:09:02 AM EST
    But I wouldn't be all over an Obama blog repeating some tired stupid talking point about "math" and "Path to victory" if the situation was reversed.

    Capeesh?

    [ Parent ]

    you're right (3.00 / 2) (#24)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:13:50 AM EST
    that this is a clinton blog.  whoops, wrong horse.  

    i love when facts are "talking points".  

    [ Parent ]

    Togetherness? (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by Edgar08 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:18:01 AM EST
    Stop lying and just admit you want to smack some people down?

    [ Parent ]
    Aren't you even curious about why (none / 0) (#92)
    by hairspray on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:45:00 AM EST
    Clinton blew Obama out of the water in Mass in February?  Did it have anything to do with their new governor, an Obama knockoff, who has done a miserable job there and the citizens know it?  But oh my, what a great speaker he is.

    [ Parent ]
    Aren't you even curious about why (none / 0) (#93)
    by hairspray on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:46:11 AM EST
    Clinton blew Obama out of the water in Mass in February?  Did it have anything to do with their new governor, an Obama knockoff, who has done a miserable job there and the citizens know it?  But oh my, what a great speaker he is.

    [ Parent ]
    Prove it: (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by feet on earth on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:15:25 AM EST
    Stand for Real Universal Health Care
    Stand for No Talk about privatization of Social Security
    Stand for Strong Real Income Redistribution Taxes
    Stand for Economic Justice Policies
    Ect.
    Ect.
    Ect.

    See you in Denver - Convention Floor Time after June 3rd to take  the party back

    [ Parent ]

    And (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by sas on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:11:04 PM EST
    stand for gays.

    [ Parent ]
    the clinton's are very smart. (none / 0) (#32)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:17:13 AM EST
    they won't be with you at the convention.  unless she is VP, which might happen.

    [ Parent ]
    The Noble Ted Kennedy did it (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by feet on earth on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:33:39 AM EST
    the less noble Clintons are supposed not to do it because they are smarter?  Watch out if Florida and Michigan are denied full participation.

    [ Parent ]
    I hope MI and FL are not denied because (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by stefystef on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:46:58 PM EST
    it will mean the loss of the General Election in November.

    Even my mother, life-long Democratic, is looking into switching to Independent.  After these last 28 years, Democrats have only had 8 years in the White House.

    Only 8 years!!!  And those were the best 8 years in the last two decades.  But do you think the Dems would applaud that?  No.

    Florida will go Republican in November and McCain's camp is already setting up shop in Michigan.

    I see 1972 again.  I guess it's appropriate that McGovern, the biggest loser in history would endorse Obama.  Well, the Dems wanted Obama.

    Be careful for what you wish for.

    [ Parent ]

    People here (5.00 / 3) (#58)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:09:36 PM EST
    keep trying to tell you that you are actually doing your preferred candidate harm with your constant attacks on us and our candidate. The nomination will be over when it's over. Until then please do us the courtesy to just go away. You are convincing no one and annoying just about everyone here.

     

    [ Parent ]

    In light of that, how do you feel about (5.00 / 4) (#46)
    by Joan in VA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:34:06 AM EST
    the Obama campaign flooding WV with calls telling people that he's won and not to vote? Is voter suppression one of our values, policies or correct execution?

    [ Parent ]
    Can you back that up? (none / 0) (#48)
    by Pootsteen on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:36:07 AM EST
    I haven't read a lot of news today but I have not seen this story.

    Do you have a legit source for this allegation?

    [ Parent ]

    I read it at Riverdaughter's blog. (none / 0) (#52)
    by Joan in VA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:56:41 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Not much of a source (1.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Pootsteen on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:25:08 PM EST
    but thanks for trying.

    [ Parent ]
    Well, don't pull that Electric Chair switch yet. (5.00 / 3) (#51)
    by BarnBabe on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:50:43 AM EST
    Our pulse is still beating. Now let's get back to West Virginia. Why is this state being ignored? It is surrounded by large states but never ever looked at really and yet Robert Byrd and Rockefeller, two very distinguished legislators are the Senators there. Hillary fought her heart out in NC even though it was a totally uphill battle. This is very telling about Obama. Someone better tell him that the GE will be about all of the people in the United States. 50 states, right? Enough about talking down McCain right now. He also needs to be talking to the people too.

    [ Parent ]
    It's just small (none / 0) (#54)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:57:51 AM EST
    that's all.

    [ Parent ]
    Winners never quit (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by DJ on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:04:24 PM EST
    quitters never win.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama hasn't laid out a realistic path (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Josey on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:09:11 AM EST
    to the general!
    There aren't enough Obama Girls and latte sippers to carry him over the top.


    [ Parent ]
    all those latte sippers (none / 0) (#29)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:15:55 AM EST
    in iowa, maine, wyoming, wisconsin, n. dakota, washington, south carolina, mississippi,etc?  

    apparently the majority of voters are latte sippers.   ok.

    [ Parent ]

    SC, ND, MS, WY - red now, red in Nov (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by Josey on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:22:02 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    When Farm Workers (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by feet on earth on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:29:00 AM EST
    will not be able to milk cows anymore and the "latte" from China does not make a nice cappuccino I wonder what wold they sip

    [ Parent ]
    all those latte (none / 0) (#87)
    by delacarpa on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:09:17 AM EST
    Have you checked his polls in those states you just mentioned?

    [ Parent ]
    all those latte sippers (none / 0) (#88)
    by delacarpa on Sun May 11, 2008 at 12:11:06 AM EST
    Have you checked the polls that you just mentioned lately?

    [ Parent ]
    The Path: The Convention Floor (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by feet on earth on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:09:16 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I am fascinated by your psychology (5.00 / 8) (#25)
    by Stellaaa on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:14:35 AM EST
     the need to come here and constantly make these jabs.  It's the Axelrod technique, psychological warfare.  Do you realize how crass and vulgar your attitude is?

     Of course you do and you derive some kind of perverted satisfaction from this behaviour. Obviously you are very clever and well read, cause you use your skills with us, who are also very clever and well read, purposefully.  

    Frankly, I have no problem with opposition, its the well thought out attack that I find rather perverse on your part.  It does not bother me cause we all here recognize your ploy.  It's just that I am fascinated by the satisfaction that you get.  

    [ Parent ]

    Like I told you (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Stellaaa on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:19:35 AM EST
    Your "1" are badge of honor.  Could not respond, so you jab.  

    [ Parent ]
    You think (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by sas on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:14:26 PM EST
    things are bad now?

    Wait 'til Obama declares himself the winner on 5/20!

    Thing are really going to get UGLY>

    Of course he will do this because he wants to say it BEFORE Puerto Rico puts her over the top in popular vote.

    What a FREAKIIN' WEASEL!

    [ Parent ]

    Off topic AGAIN N/T (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Marvin42 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:35:05 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    OK (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by wurman on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:18:06 PM EST
    Sen. Obama shows up at the convention with about 2100 to delegates.

    Sen. Clinton show up with about 2000 delegates.

    Lots of "stuff" happens in the Rules & By-Laws and the Credentials committees----LOTS!

    No matter what the 2 committes decide, Sen. Obama doesn't have 2209 delegate votes on the first ballot.  A major floor battle ensues & it will be won by the candidate with the most skillful parliamentarians & the most advanced abilities in horse-trading, palaver & fulfillable promises.

    Some folks stupidly think that the convention is a gig where all the Obama folks stand on one side of the hall, all the Clinton folks on the other & then the superdelegates choose sides, the chair counts & Obama wins.

    It's a roll call vote, by state, beginning with Alabama.  They will yield to some huge state--if it's New York, the Obama crowd can go make their airline reservations to fly home.

    See ya' in 8 years, turkey.

    [ Parent ]

    It'll be CA before NY ;) (none / 0) (#61)
    by nycstray on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:21:20 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    It's telling (5.00 / 3) (#64)
    by Kathy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:29:27 PM EST
    that she went into NC and other hostile territories, even though she knew she'd lose, while Obama is choosing to ignore two whole states.

    Reminds me of the oft-quoted Michelle Obama screaming at his advisors about how Obama should never go into a room that's stacked against him.

    We need a leader.  We need a fighter.  We need Clinton.

    [ Parent ]

    Never heard that one re:Michelle (none / 0) (#65)
    by nycstray on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:39:29 PM EST
    He'll be a puppet president I suspect . . .

    [ Parent ]
    It was in Newsweek (none / 0) (#66)
    by Kathy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:38:14 PM EST
    and presented as positive that she was "taking care of her man."

    [ Parent ]
    But, Kathy. Don't forget (none / 0) (#75)
    by oculus on Sat May 10, 2008 at 02:39:42 PM EST
    Michelle wouldn't a job offer until Barack met the interviewer.  

    [ Parent ]
    That job of hers was with the machine (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Cream City on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:11:51 PM EST
    in Chicago, the Daley machine -- so that was her spouse's entre into the inner circle that put him on the path to where he is today.

    And, of course, his entire lead in the popular vote today is entirely from his state, almost all of it from Chicago.  The Daley machine did it almost half a century ago and is doing it again -- doing whatever it takes to win the presidency.


    [ Parent ]

    One positive (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:59:08 AM EST
    outcome of her seeing this out to the end is that politicians who supported her will have no problem justifying their commitment.

    Her performance in the upcoming primaries and the obvious weaknesses of Obama as the nominee will make that clear.

    Home, home on the range (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by andgarden on Sat May 10, 2008 at 10:59:23 AM EST
    where no electoral votes lie.

    Ugh.

    BTW, in WV (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by andgarden on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:01:58 AM EST
    SUSA says that Dems make up 53% of the electorate and indys 12%. HIllary would walk away with it in November.

    [ Parent ]
    Sorry, Not True (none / 0) (#23)
    by Spike on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:13:33 AM EST
    No Democratic candidate running on a serious platform to curtail climate change will "walk away with it in November."

    [ Parent ]
    Clarification (none / 0) (#30)
    by Spike on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:15:57 AM EST
    I should have added "...in West Virginia" to the end of that sentence.

    [ Parent ]
    SUSA shows her winning it (none / 0) (#31)
    by andgarden on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:16:25 AM EST
    so go figure.

    [ Parent ]
    Remember 2000? (none / 0) (#38)
    by Spike on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:23:31 AM EST
    Gore was expected to win West Virginia too. But strong environmental credentials that are an asset almost everywhere else are a liability in a state where coal remains king.

    [ Parent ]
    Bill Clinton won WV (5.00 / 3) (#50)
    by RalphB on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:47:42 AM EST
    and so can Hillary I believe.

    [ Parent ]
    Gore wanted more gun control (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by ding7777 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:57:40 PM EST
    which is why he lost 3 pro-gun states (WV, TN, AR) and barely won PA

    [ Parent ]
    Yup!! thats what the exit polls said. Gun (none / 0) (#89)
    by hairspray on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:28:25 AM EST
    control was the issue most associated with Gore's loss in those states.

    [ Parent ]
    I would like (none / 0) (#36)
    by waldenpond on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:22:46 AM EST
    to have registered voters and the breakdown for my spreadsheets to run different scenarios.  Know a good site?  

    If BTD or Jeralyn are interested, I will e-mail it to them and they can share it.  :)

    [ Parent ]

    Just did a bunch of calls today (5.00 / 6) (#5)
    by Stellaaa on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:00:41 AM EST
    support is solid.  

    Me, too on the calls. (5.00 / 5) (#15)
    by Cal on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:06:27 AM EST
    Not only is the support solid as a rock, they love her in WVA.  Extremely enthusiastic supporters.  He is getting trounced.  A preview of Nov if he gets the nom, no?

    [ Parent ]
    Are they going to turn out? (none / 0) (#56)
    by DJ on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:03:36 PM EST
    What are they saying about the attitude of voters?

    [ Parent ]
    From my calls (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by Kathy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:27:25 PM EST
    that I've been making since 12:30, it seems that folks are pretty angry about (1) being painted as rural, racist hicks whose votes don't matter and (2) seeing folks trying to push Clinton out of the race.

    I think what's getting lost here is the American spirit.  I'm not talking Obama's 57 state manifest destiny, but the thing that makes us truly Americans: we never give up.  We take pride in our fighting spirit.  Those who have traveled to other countries know what I am talking about (heck, in England it's embarrassing to be patriotic).  We identify ourselves first as Americans, and all that entails.  One old guy (who, unfortunately, I caught during the middle of his nap) said, "Why are they telling her to stop if she still has a chance?  That's un-American!"

    There is a change in the air, and Tuesday's results are just going to see lots of white male pundits reinforcing point # 1, above, and helping our girl even more.

    [ Parent ]

    Interesting. I'm worried (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by oculus on Sat May 10, 2008 at 02:42:18 PM EST
    WV Hillary and Hillary-leaning voters won't bother voting due to the media and Obama meme it is over and Clinton campaign's publicized lack of funds.  

    [ Parent ]
    Didn't John Kerry mortgage his house (none / 0) (#90)
    by hairspray on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:32:35 AM EST
    and loan his campaign money during 2004?  Somehow I didn't read that as 'the sky is falling'.  By the way how do these bills get paid off?

    [ Parent ]
    Thank you Kathy (none / 0) (#86)
    by DJ on Sat May 10, 2008 at 05:39:38 PM EST
    for all you are doing for Hillary.

    [ Parent ]
    If he's looking to the West, he's in trouble. (5.00 / 5) (#9)
    by tigercourse on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:02:54 AM EST
    Nevada and New Mexico have both swung red in recent polls (gee, that couldn't be because our oponent is their neighbor, could it?) and Colorado is being held onto by finger nails. If he doesn't win New Mexico, he won't win Colorado.

    I knew (5.00 / 8) (#11)
    by AnninCA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:04:42 AM EST
    that would happen.  Brazile isn't worried, though.  Remember, the Dems no longer need the Latino voters.  :)

    [ Parent ]
    it is may (none / 0) (#13)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:05:51 AM EST
    Big Bill was behind Perot and Bush everywhere...  things change and these "polls" mean little.

    [ Parent ]
    in June (none / 0) (#14)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:06:21 AM EST
    I meant to add re: perot/bush. sorry... wish there was an edit button

    [ Parent ]
    WV (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Addison on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:27:17 AM EST
    Obama is going to win the nomination, however, I never expected him to completely blow off WV like this. It's stupid. Even if he wants to give the impression that WV isn't enough for Hillary, there's really no excuse for his not competing there. I'm really disappointed.

    I'll repeat what I keep saying (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Marvin42 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:29:39 AM EST
    His campaign only seems to see the primary race, with no care or vision for GE. This is yet another example: why campaign in WV? Because you don't piss off another state, start building a base for taking shot at the state in the GE, and because you make yourself look good for the GE.

    But hey, that makes too much sense.

    [ Parent ]

    I'm guessing Obama is low on funds too (none / 0) (#91)
    by hairspray on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:37:03 AM EST
    and would rather suppress the Clinton vote in WVa and KY than go into debt a look like Clinton in the money department.  Obama has been spending lots of money and has lost a lot of races in spite of his profligate ways.  That should not look good with the SD's either.

    [ Parent ]
    It's the strategy that worked in Michigan (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by Cream City on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:57:18 AM EST
    if he gets all those delegates there from the DNC.

    Heck he might as well have taken himself off the ballot in WV, too, and then have Ted Kennedy call it "noble aspirations."

    Btw, my spouse's previously Republican relatives in WV, highly educated and in a college town, are voting for Clinton.  Why?  Because they care about their less well-off neighbors, and the relatives say that it's clear that she cares about them, too.

    [ Parent ]

    Yeah, instead of doing 2 days of (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by nycstray on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:19:47 PM EST
    deals in DC and campaigning in OR, he should have been trying to close the gap. Doesn't help his image for making inroads with Hillary voters. Isn't he coal friendly?

    [ Parent ]
    He'll be there on Monday (none / 0) (#44)
    by bumblebums on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:33:22 AM EST
    Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama will campaign in West Virginia on Monday, Obama campaign officials confirmed Friday afternoon.

    ...

    Obama's campaign in West Virginia has run television and radio spots, opened 11 regional offices around the state and brought in surrogates to campaign for him since this week's primaries in North Carolina and Indiana.

    more...

    [ Parent ]

    Yes... (none / 0) (#49)
    by Addison on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:37:37 AM EST
    ...but it's clear he not taking it that seriously. Monday is two days from now. He's got the nomination all but wrapped up, he can afford to fight hard and lose, as long as he closes the gap. From the standpoint of the primary Clinton's popular vote deficit must be maintained, and pretending that WV doesn't matter won't demoralize Clinton voters, so it's a stupid strategy to do that. From the standpoint of the general election, unless he's planning to pick Hillary as VP (do it Obama, do it) he's missing a good chance to get some WV voters on board.

    [ Parent ]
    How many people went to bed on Election Night (5.00 / 4) (#43)
    by Anne on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:33:18 AM EST
    in 2000 and 2004 thinking that the Democrats had eked out a win?  And how many woke up the next morning to find out that they may have gone to bed happy, but would spend the next 4 years - now 8 - feeling like they woke up in hell?

    It may well be that, in the end, Obama will have the necessary delegates to be the nominee - but he doesn't have them yet.  For crying out loud, John McCain has the delegates he needs, and I am still hearing him referred to as the presumptive nominee because he has not been officially nominated.  Is it possible for all of you Obama supporters to at least accept that the Democratic Party does not have a nominee?  I swear, you must be the ones who always leave sporting events before the game is over, or who turn off the TV assuming your team won.  Keeping in mind that no one has won or lost anything yet, it might be good to remember that being a good sport isn't just for "losers," it's also for "winners."

    As for Obama adopting the Western States Strategy - whatever.  I still do not see how winning some of the western states makes up for losing states he has to have if he expects to be taking the oath of office in January.

    Maybe it's me, but I feel like Obama is deluding himself into thinking that the strategy that had him winning caucus states will also win him those states in the general election.

    And I wish I could convince myself that his attitude was something other than a petulant, "fine - if you lower-class types won't vote for me, I'll just go get the votes of people better than you - so there!"

    I don't think (none / 0) (#94)
    by themomcat on Sun May 11, 2008 at 11:55:11 AM EST
    we will have to wait until morning. November is going to be a disaster from the start that I will want to sleep through only to wake up in reliving 2000 and 2004.

    [ Parent ]
    Poor Gore & Hari Kerry . . . (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by wurman on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:59:52 AM EST
    Watching Sen. Obama "triangulate" with the wrong surveyor's instruments (through a glass, ayeh?) starting from the wrong markers (with no historical monuments) and using the wrong maths (none of his supporters can even do add & subtract arithmetic much less trigonometry) is very much like watching our 2 previous presidential candidates sleep-walk through an unfolding reality with a dazed sense of "why won't that idiot go away."  He didn't.

    Genuine opponents don't ever go away.

    "Alternative" Delegate Votes (link)
    (no sanctions)
    Need to Nominate 2,209.0
    B Obama             1,932.5
    H Clinton             1,889.0
    (available)              508.5
    Uncommitted    55.0
    J Edwards        32.0
    No Preference     0.0
    Total                   4,417.0

    Let's see how this plays out in the 57 state strategy & the one he didn't go to: AL & HI.  [full on snark for the trolls]

    And? (1.00 / 7) (#8)
    by bumblebums on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:02:16 AM EST
    She goes nowhere from here.

    Hey kiddo (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:11:57 AM EST
    I an trying to be analytical here.

    And bring a reality check.

    We need to go West with Obama.

    See my latest post.

    [ Parent ]

    Unity (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by janarchy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:15:06 AM EST
    It's what's for dinner.

    Thanks for playing.

    [ Parent ]

    "unity" - just a word to Obama (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by Josey on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:23:27 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    And sadly (5.00 / 8) (#41)
    by janarchy on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:29:21 AM EST
    to a lot of his supporters. They keep talking about Unity but all I see is more gloating and hubris. If constantly throwing our candidates "loss" in our faces is supposed to make us all sing kumbaya and share in group hugs, I think they need to rethink their strategy.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama dropped 7 pts overnight in Rasm! (5.00 / 6) (#27)
    by Josey on Sat May 10, 2008 at 11:15:20 AM EST
    Hillary jumped 5. Hillary leads 48-43.
    Could be blowback from Obama's arrogance in changing the goal posts and crowning himself on May 20 - and Brazile's comments about the new Dem Party - the Obamacrat Party.
    With the Washington establishment in Obama's corner, it's no telling the deals that are being made to woo SDs.

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    The Washington Establishment (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by joharmon86 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:43:30 PM EST
    in Obama's corner? LOL!

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    Basic Factual Information (1.00 / 3) (#67)
    by joharmon86 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:41:24 PM EST
    The fact that Hillary appeals more to white, uneducated, rural democratic primary voters in West Virginia doesn't mean that Obama can't win those voters. A vote signals PREFERENCE not unwillingness to support another candidate under any circumstances. There is no evidence he "has trouble winning" or "can't win" that demographic; there is only evidence that Hillary does better in that demographic (for obvious reasons). This race is clearly over and Hillary's insiders in her campaign understand that. They are only continuing to appease the gung-ho obsessed supporters. The idea that any Hillary supporters would stay home or vote for McCain is mindboggling especially considering the SCOTUS appointments and the issue of CHOICE among other things like global warming and energy independence.

    You're supporting choosing Obama (5.00 / 5) (#73)
    by MarkL on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:59:37 PM EST
    on the basis of his energy policy??
    You're kidding, right?

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    Obama The Great Energy Champion (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by MO Blue on Sat May 10, 2008 at 03:34:52 PM EST
    voted for Cheney's energy bill, supports nuclear energy and introduced a liquified coal bill which Gore said was horrible.

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    There (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by sas on Sat May 10, 2008 at 04:18:47 PM EST
    was a time he might have won these voters....but no more.

    1.  They don't like being called racists.
    2.  They don't like being called "bitter".
    3.  They really really don't like him saying they "cling" to religion and/or guns.


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