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Pelosi: Unity Ticket "Not A Good Idea"

Nancy Pelosi is just unbelievable. She is incapable of keeping quiet. Larry King asks her "do you think a unity ticket is a good idea?" Now, suppose you think it is not. What can you say? Here is a simple one - "It will be up to the nominee." Nothing more. But can Nancy Pelosi say that? No.

Nancy Pelosi feels compelled, by some unstoppable divisiveness in her, to offer her opinion that it is "not a good idea." More headlines tomorrow. Thanks for nothing Madame Speaker.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only.

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    Off With Her Head (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by squeaky on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:11:13 PM EST
    Why is she like this? Does she have Obamafever and Hillary hate?

    "It's off the table" (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:12:32 PM EST
    syndrome.  

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    But HuffPost headlines media turning on O (none / 0) (#124)
    by andrys on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:56:12 PM EST
    The Huffington Post, rabidly for Obama all this time is headlining in huge letters the following, written FOR Huffington Post

    (maybe Arianna wants to be sure of good relations with the Dem who might be the nominee after all?)

    Article headline:

    "Media jump ship from Obama to Clinton"

    and they quote ALL of the stories we've been seeing that throw doubts on Obama as a viable nominee.

    Of special interest, it headlines the entire site with huge banners showing

    THE NEW REPUBLIC

    T I M E

    THE WASHINGTON POST

    See that at http://www.huffingtonpost.com

    Here is the article itself Wow. Reader reaction is as expected.

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    Maybe she wants to be VP.... (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Maria Garcia on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:18:08 PM EST
    ...just like everybody else.

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    Obama Pelosi. (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Salo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:20:34 PM EST
    Lots and lots of vowels.

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    Hahhaha (none / 0) (#13)
    by squeaky on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:22:14 PM EST
    That must be it.

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    I think she is jealous of Hillary.. (5.00 / 3) (#120)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:15:23 PM EST
    Think about it. Two attractive women, and they are attractive even if they aren't your type, in positions of power. The Speaker of the House, the first woman Speaker, is directly in line for the Presidency. Of course, before she gets there people have to die, resign or be impeached and convicted. She doesn't get much respect these days, since she showed she has no spine. She will probably never be in a position to run for President, and she knows it.

    There she sits, in the House, watching Hillary who is a Senator, a successful one, run for President and doing one hell of a job at it. Nancy has to sit and watch Hillary be everything she isn't. Courageous, nationally popular, smart as a whip and very human.  

    Think prep school, co-ed, Nancy is the head cheerleader, and popular. Hillary is brilliant academically, in all the service clubs and Prom Queen and every one thinks she is great, whether they like her or not. Nancy must be eating her heart out. So she is being catty as hell.

    Personally, since she took impeachment off the table she has been on my DINO list. No guts, no glory. She has no guts and isn't going to get any glory. Poor Nancy.

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    perhaps more than just jealousy (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Chimster on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:45:50 PM EST
    I don't think she (Pelosi) wants to answer to the tough female commander-in-chief in November. That may be too bitter a pill for Nancy to swallow.

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    Clinton will demand they work. (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by kimsaw on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:06:06 AM EST
    Obama can be manipulated cause he's spineless. Pelosi is salivating. If the Dems have the majority, he's not going to buck it, and why should he. If he's in power he will spend most of his time straddling the issues to stay in power. If he can stay in a church that denounces his own country, its all about political position, not integrity. He is just a politician just like his pastor called it.

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    I agree... (none / 0) (#137)
    by stefystef on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:29:48 AM EST
    Pelosi is an alpha female.  Hillary is an alpha female.  Pelosi wants to seem still relevant because in either an Obama or Clinton administration, I think she will have her job.

    Pelosi's days are numbered and she knows it.  

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    As someone pointed in another thread (none / 0) (#91)
    by ghost2 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:19:15 PM EST
    They are out to make as much news as possible to take Rev. Wright off the headlines.  

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    Wright (none / 0) (#144)
    by AnninCA on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:50:41 AM EST
    has lined up more talks.  Hard to get it out of anyone's mind.

    I watched a bit of the interview.  It wasn't too horrible, but NC Republicans have an ad in the can using his clip.  

    I agree with BTD tht it apparently is just hard for Nancy to not insert her own opinion.

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    Rock You Like a Hurricane (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Petey on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:18:12 PM EST
    "Nancy Pelosi feels compelled, by some unstoppable divisiveness in her, to offer her opinion that it is "not a good idea." More headlines tomorrow. Thanks for nothing Madame Speaker."

    Give the good Speaker a couple of days to re-think.

    The reality of the role reversal in the nomination race Pelosi felt comfortable with is only just beginning to sink in on folks like her.  

    In 72 hours, the Speaker will have re-positioned herself appropriately.

    Could it be that the (none / 0) (#116)
    by Leisa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:52:59 PM EST
    Democratic party is no longer relevant?  I have heard that once a movement looses relevance their leaders start to fight with each other and implosion occurs.  I am very offended that Hillary is getting the blame for the problems here.  

    Many of us have heard about this concept with respect to the Republican party.  It has nothing to do with one individual, but with the way the machine works.

    Are we are on the verge of creating a Moderate party?  One that is tolerant of both sides and acts in a way that is actually beneficial to our country and our relations everywhere?

    I think  that the most important thing we must do as a country, as a world leader, is to take care of our children everywhere.  That means NO MORE WARS!

    I strongly believe that the only person currently running for POTUS that gets that and gets the underlying economic and humanitarian efforts that are needed to get us there is Hillary Clinton.

    I am now so soured from he Democratic party that I think I will actively engage this idea of a new party.  I am no George Soros, but who knows... real, unfunded grass roots ideas may have an appeal... (Yeah right, I know $$$ rules he world).  Anyway,  all I can do is what I am doing today.  Who knows what tomorrow will bring?  

    All I know is that I feel that I and many of my fellow Americans are getting ripped off by the powers that be in the DNC.  I do not feel that their system of nominating the presidential contender is democratic in any way, shape or form.  The caucuses were,indeed, fraught with problems.

    Since I have been accused of not being a Democrat for supporting Hillary, I am starting to think that maybe those accusers are correct...  I want more than the DNC will deliver.

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    The Democratic leadership is no longer (5.00 / 3) (#122)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:34:08 PM EST
    relevant. The Democratic Party is alive and well in the hands of the citizens. We need to get new leaders. And when Hillary wins, we will. My guess is that all the people who have lost sight of the goals of the Democratic party will either be told to get some glasses and start seeing them again or go find another job.

    Hillary really does care about the working people of this country. I was at Oaklawn Park, the race track in Hot Springs, Arkansas, when Bill Clinton was Governor. Hillary was the one that showed up to talk to people about community concerns and problems. She KNOWS what people in all walks of life face every day. One of the things she worked on was children's health care for transient workers, like the race track people. We would come to town for two or three months that the track had racing, and the social services people tended to ignore us. She made sure that services were made available, and that the children got health care while they were in Arkansas. This was years ago, when she was a young governor's lady.

    She has continued those same concerns as she has progressed up the political ladder. Hillary is the real thing. And when she is President, she will make sure, as leader of the Party, that the focus of the Democratic Party returns to where it should be.

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    I apprecate your (none / 0) (#151)
    by Leisa on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:26:13 AM EST
    optimism.  But what if Hillary does not get the nod from the SD's?  

    What if she does and there are riots at our convention in August as some Obama supporters have threatened?

    Ugh.  I am so frustrated.  Can we motion to have these DNC leaders recalled?

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    If there are riots, then it will be clear (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by FlaDemFem on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:48:03 AM EST
    that the Obama supporters are not Democrats, they are anarchists. And any party that will nominate a candidate due to threats of violence, or actual violence, doesn't deserve to be part of the American electoral system. If there are riots and Obama gets the nomination out of fear of his "followers", that will be the absolute end of the Democratic Party in America. They will be gone by the end of the election. We cannot have a party that can be held hostage. We won't.

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    Please engage that new party! (none / 0) (#121)
    by RalphB on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:30:37 PM EST
    A Moderate party which is truly tolerant, and not just kneejerk, would be wonderful.  I'm currently an Independent, former Dem, because they just didn't cut it for me.  There is only one Soros but since we now know large bucks can be raised via the intertubes, who knows?

    The Democratic leadership are such a bunch of clowns and the bizarre nomination process such a mess that I doubt any would be worse.  If you decide to form the Moderate, count me in.


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    Don't you see (5.00 / 5) (#8)
    by themomcat on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:18:12 PM EST
    that if Hillary becomes President then Nancy's position as the most powerful woman in the US is diminished. All snark aside, is the final ticket up to her? Isn't it the choice of the nominee who the VP nominee will be?

    that assumes a lot (none / 0) (#63)
    by angie on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:53:20 PM EST
    First, it assumes Obama will be the nominee.
    Second, it assumes Obama can make his own decisions.

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    It's call the queen bee syndrome (none / 0) (#110)
    by IKE on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:20:58 PM EST
    This lady is a disgrace, if she keeps this up I don't think she will remain speaker very long come November. Heck, I don't even think she will become minority leader as I am sure a represenative who can think clearly will challenge her.

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    Why would she have control over that? (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Salo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:18:58 PM EST
    Was that a tell about how much sway she may have over Obama?  Or at least how much sway she thinks she has over him?

    It's absolutely none of her business to be nixing the suggestion.

    She is really clueless (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by andgarden on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:19:54 PM EST
    The Peter Principle in action IMHO.

    If i'm not mistaken... (5.00 / 9) (#14)
    by Salo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:22:27 PM EST
    ...Dean, Pelosi, Kerry and Kennedy do not want clinton to win anything.

    fair enogh I say, but it's obviously a long planned exclusion of the Clintons.

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    Are (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by sas on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:26:29 PM EST
    they all jealous of the Clintons or what?  

    Are they trying to rip the party apart?

    I don't get it.

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    maybe they are afraid (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by sancho on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:10:21 PM EST
    of no longer being the "opposition" leaders. maybe they don't want to have to push through the legislation hillary will ask for--b/c my opinion is that she is probably more like FDR (a committed dem) than obama is. they know hillary will be a formidable president and will require they work to earn their status.

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    They are scared of getting the WH back... (none / 0) (#21)
    by Salo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:28:59 PM EST
    ...and losing everything in a midterm election?

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    If they do as poor (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by RalphB on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:34:25 PM EST
    a job as the Dems did in Congress from '92-'94, they will deserve to lost the midterms.  Come to think of it, they've been pretty miserable the past 2 years.


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    Actually (none / 0) (#130)
    by debrazza on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:40:28 AM EST
    Those mid-term losses in '94 were more complicated than that.  Voting for the tax increases in the Clinton economic plan left a great number Dems vulnerable and unprotected and the economy had not fully recovered for them to get the benefits.  And sad but true, but the failure of health care reform was damaging as well.  By the time "Harry and Louise" drove a stake through the heart of the plan, Americans hated it and it made the Dems highly unpoplar.  Also, with the end of the cold war, there was a final realignment of the party as many southern Dems changed party because they did not have an affinity a party whose leader protested Vietnam.  The culture wars were still being fought.  A lot of the Congressional Dems were old and past their times and could not adapt to the new Republican party.  Etc, etc.

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    Thanks for the laugh, Salo. (none / 0) (#26)
    by MarkL on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:33:33 PM EST
    The Clintons (none / 0) (#145)
    by AnninCA on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:53:56 AM EST
    have never been "insiders" in the traditional sense.  The theories range from a bit of snobbery since he was the Arkansas governor to more political reasons that he was too centrist to the more mundane reasons that his affair and the fall-out lost some people their seats.

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    Did you see the Mass poll Tie Obama n McCain (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Salt on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:53:53 PM EST
    recall Patrick was another Axelrod client.

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    OMG (5.00 / 4) (#16)
    by sas on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:24:15 PM EST
    why doesn't she just say - that it could be a possibility, or it could not be-we have to wait to find out.

    Although, Howard Dean is coming off lately as a nincompoop too.

    Why don't these people just keep their mouths shut?

    Does anyone think, Pelosi, a politician from age 5 (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by Prabhata on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:33:09 PM EST
    doesn't know what she is doing?
    She is a messenger for BO. He wants to kill that idea.

    This Is What I Think Also (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by MO Blue on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:04:50 PM EST
    Guess the Dems are willing to bet the whole wad on Obama. Wish I had any confidence that they knew what they were doing. Lately one of the few things that I agree with Obama on is that the Dem party is the stupid party.

    OTOH, I've never been a fan of an Obama/Clinton ticket. So if Obama is the nominee, I personally will be thrilled that Clinton is not on the ticket.

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    The media (none / 0) (#146)
    by AnninCA on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:55:22 AM EST
    won't give up the Obama meme that he's inevitable, and now they are in a corner of their own making which is that they don't think he's electable.

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    Which For Many Sad To Say Is The Whole Point (none / 0) (#149)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:19:44 AM EST
    Corporate America would prefer a Republican president so that they can continue to rape the country. America media is owned and operated by Corporate America.

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    She is a disappointment (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by Coldblue on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:33:43 PM EST
    in so many ways.

    Maybe if a Democrat gets elected president, she might improve. Unlikely, but possible.

    Nancy Pelosi (5.00 / 9) (#36)
    by txpolitico67 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:35:48 PM EST
    and the rest of the "old style politicians" who support the divisions in the Democratic party should all be effectively voted out of office.

    Here is a group of "insiders", Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, who have so much disdain for the wife of the only Democratic two-term president since Johnson, and, who's administration, gives them great talking points highlighting the differences between R's and D's.

    I don't think that these pols wouldn't know HOW to manage, much less survive the kind of attacks Hillary and Bill Clinton have endured.  They live in safe, liberal places.  The Clintons are from Arkansas.  HRC had to compete in upstate NY.  

    Not to be juvenile, but I think this all boils down to the basic feeling of jealousy:  Ted Kennedy knew he could NEVER be president; Kerry lost to a buffoon like Bush 43 and Pelosi knows that she is where she is, save Bush and Cheney from keeling over before January 2009.

    I am not a Democrat...anymore because of these kind of actions but support HRC all the way by donating my time and money to her campaign.

    She's the only one who can get us out of this morass brought on upon the republicans and the DINO's like Obama and Pelosi.

    Amen (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Prabhata on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:38:19 PM EST
    I never thought it was envy, but I think you're right. All those losers.
    Go Hillary!

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    since FDR you mean (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by angie on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:05:04 PM EST
    LBJ didn't serve 2 terms -- he finished JFK's term and then served 1 of his own.  He did not run for re-election when that term ended ("I will not seek . . .").  To get to the last 2 term Dem. president you have to go all the way back to FDR -- yeah, makes a lot of sense for the DNC to be vilifying Bill Clinton.

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    Bill Clinton (none / 0) (#102)
    by txpolitico67 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:43:46 PM EST
    won in 1992 and 1996.  I remember quite well voting for him twice.

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    The preview button is my friend (none / 0) (#104)
    by txpolitico67 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:45:23 PM EST
    yes, I stand corrected:  since FDR.  I thought you were saying that WJC wasn't a two-termer.

    I don't want to be one of those revisionist history types.  :)

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    I should have been clearer (none / 0) (#119)
    by angie on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:06:10 PM EST
    I see how you misread it -- I should have written "to get to the last 2 term Dem before Bill Clinton you have to go all the way back to FDR."
    I often wish for an edit feature myself. :-)

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    ah, clarity (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by txpolitico67 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 12:32:40 AM EST
    that would be nice in an election year huh?  ;)

     

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    I really do (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Iphie on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:36:01 PM EST
    believe in party unity -- try keep the whole big tent idea alive, and even though I often don't agree with everything they do, I try to remember that especially for the Democratic leadership, they are juggling the interests of many different and sometimes competing groups.

    But this is beyond the pale. I cannot believe the statements that have been coming out of the mouths of Reid, Pelosi and Dean. Dean! I was his biggest cheerleader! Do they really not get how harmful their behavior and actions are? This is not merely a case of not agreeing with their positions, and I try to not to be a conspiracy theorist, but it's beginning to be harder and harder to give them the benefit of the doubt and to trust their motives.

    Conspiracy (none / 0) (#38)
    by txpolitico67 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:38:09 PM EST
    that came to mind too.  However, I don't like to fall into that line of thinking.  I look for the better sides of ourselves.

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    My Theory: why they don't want Clinton (5.00 / 13) (#41)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:39:23 PM EST
    She will bash their heads in, she knows how the House and the Senate work.  She knows they White House.  They will have to deliver health care and her platform and all the money these guys have been getting all these years will vaporize.  They want the newbie in DC.  

    I'll buy that statement (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by txpolitico67 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:46:28 PM EST
    and raise you a full work week and actual accountability to the American people.

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    Amen (none / 0) (#44)
    by Prabhata on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:42:56 PM EST
    This comment is spot on.  I believe that too.  With an inexperienced president, they will have more freedom to do their political games.

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    No health care (none / 0) (#46)
    by waldenpond on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:45:33 PM EST
    I was over at Corrente.  They had a piece with statements from a Clinton supporter and an Obama supporter backing off health care.  Health care is my issue.  I was disappointed to see that.

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    Exactly right (none / 0) (#87)
    by angie on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:11:03 PM EST
    Heck, Kerry admitted UHC was a "non-starter" in congress -- hmm, wonder why? Because it would force these alleged "progressives" to vote for something the "special interests" who provide the $ to get them in office don't want OR force them to vote against something they have been telling their constituents they would vote for?  After what I've seen in this election, I believe this with all my heart.

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    Will They Really Have to Deliver? (none / 0) (#97)
    by BackFromOhio on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:34:15 PM EST
    What happens if Hillary shouled become President, and Pelosi & Reid don't push her legislative agenda -- such as healthcare????

    What are the consequences to them?

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    We the people vote them out ;) (none / 0) (#100)
    by nycstray on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:40:53 PM EST
    Obama (none / 0) (#147)
    by AnninCA on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:57:12 AM EST
    would be a president in their pocket.  Totally agree with you.

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    Everybody is winding down (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by waldenpond on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:43:45 PM EST
    The media is tired of the voters.  The powers that be are tired of the voters.  (The Clinton campaign is the only thing not tired of the voters)  Obama is their nominee.  They are pushing the superdeez to declare and letting Clinton supporters know now that Obama will not accept Clinton as a VP so they won't be disappointed in the future.  I expect that once NC and IN have voted they will be discussing the Obama VP possibilities.  The memo will go out to the media soon.  pffffffft!  It is very disappointing.

    Man, not half as tired as this voter is of them!!! (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by ruffian on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:37:56 PM EST
    I don't think that either (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Same As It Ever Was on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:51:37 PM EST
    candidate will settle for the second spot on the ticket.  But I'm coming around to the idea that it is the only way to heal the rift in the party.

    Pelosi has been such a disappointment.  Can't say I'm surprised.  I've found some of her comments this cycle marginally defensible.  But she had absolutely no business opining on this publicly.

    Protect and Deflect (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Josey on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:51:52 PM EST
    great article on Obama -
    http://tinyurl.com/3uzawj


    What is her motivation here? (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by daryl herbert on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:55:59 PM EST
    I think she doesn't want Sen. Clinton to be on the ticket at all.

    She, along with Reid, Dean, and a few other party insiders, are furious at Sen. Clinton for refusing to shut up and go home after Sen. Obama's initial triumphs.

    There is something to be said for party unity, but you're supposed to wait until after the primary is over to demand it.

    Ah, the motivation. Good question. (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Prabhata on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:03:06 PM EST
    I never say this, because people don't think that way, but I believe that when a guy with little accomplishments comes out of nowhere and becomes a big name, someone is pushing him.  The question I've been asking, is: Who? Who is putting this Trojan Horse? Why?  I don't have answers for that.  We'll find out, like with Bush, later.  We now know that the neocons carried Bush and put Cheney to to do the job Bush couldn't do.  Who is/are the king maker(s)?

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    Me too (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by cawaltz on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:41:02 PM EST
    I keep mulling the words and actions of Obama's mentor, "I'm going to make me a US Senator"(all the while using other peoples ideas and selling them as Obama's)  and wondering who is now saying "I'm going to make me a US President" and what kind of Trojan Horse goodies he is being loaded with once he attains office.

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    This also feeds into (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by txpolitico67 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:57:08 PM EST
    the whole "Dems can't get their act together" .  Pelosi will probably be getting another letter from the deep pockets within the party machinery and tell her to go to Muir Woods for the rest of the primary season.

    Bad enough Howard Dean is blowing his stack about "Make a decision NOW super d's!".

    Once again, the dems replace defeat in the jaws of victory.

    So smart they're stupid.

    Party leaders (5.00 / 3) (#72)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:58:42 PM EST
    Party leaders cannot look frantic or taking sides at this time.  They have to be totally up lifting, about how great this is for the party.  That this is the process and they are both doing a great job.  The voters are being heard.  We as a party will put a great ticket together and bring the Dems to victory.  It's not hard, why get people mad?

    It's not (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by sas on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:46:49 PM EST
    hard at all - but these people are stupid.

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    It's all about the power. (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Radix on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:00:04 PM EST
    I think a compelling argument can be made which has the Clintons as two of the most, if not most, powerful Democrats around. Dean, et al, want that power, pure and simple.

    Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

    Don Henley-The Garden of Allah


    a unity ticket is far better for Obama (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by athyrio on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:01:02 PM EST
    than it is for Clinton...I think it actually might hurt her to be his VP and if he was her VP it still might hurt her with some working class whites...

    What has this woman done (5.00 / 5) (#82)
    by joanneleon on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:05:27 PM EST
    to help this country or help this party since she was elected Speaker?

    IMHO, she's done a lot of damage and she's the very model of missed opportunity, arrogance and bad judgement.  She had a few good moments but has done much more harm than good.

    I was supportive of her before.  I was a big supporter of Dean.  I love the 50 state strategy and I considered him a hero.  But they are both screwing up in a major way right now.  Reid, he is and has been an embarrassment for some time now.  He should have resigned months ago.

    God, I always heard about the dem circular firing squad but I've never seen a more stark example of it than this primary season.  We started out with an incredibly strong slate of candidates.  They were head and shoulders above the gang of buffoons the Republicans put up.  I've never seen a more clear cut situation for democrats to prevail and virtually sweep through Washington.  Their white horses were sitting right there for them, groomed and ready.  But they chose to slog through the mud instead.  And now, it's not even clear that we can win in November.

    It's an atrocity.  After what has happened since 2006 in Congress, and after what's happened in this primary with the DNC, all the leaders should either step down or be voted out.  Dean, Pelosi and Reid are a disgrace, and harmful to both this party and this country.  They had their chance.  They blew it in an astronomical way.  They can't be trusted.  They need to go.

    Dean and Pelosi (none / 0) (#84)
    by Salo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:08:15 PM EST
    have shown the same sort of leadership that General Sir Douglas Haig exhibited at the Battle of the Somme.

    He got a lot of his own men killed (1,000,000) for no reason.

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    Wonder if Sam Rayburn (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by txpolitico67 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:06:31 PM EST
    would have made such a comment during the Kennedy-Johnson primary back in 1960?

    My guess would be, um, no.

    Mr. Sam (none / 0) (#85)
    by andgarden on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:09:58 PM EST
    was firmly in Lyndon's back pocket, IIRC.

    Then again, there was no confusion about that.

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    As a Texan (none / 0) (#90)
    by RalphB on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:15:03 PM EST
    allow me to say that more likely Lyndon was in Mr Sam's back pocket!


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    Fair enough (none / 0) (#92)
    by andgarden on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:19:26 PM EST
    it was a fascinating relationship, and documented well by Caro.

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    In fact (none / 0) (#109)
    by Shawn on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:06:02 PM EST
    It's well-known that Rayburn urged Johnson to take the VP nod after he lost at the convention.

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    Quick Comment About Pelosi Interview (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by KevinMc on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:19:31 PM EST
    I only watched for a couple of minutes.  Larry King was asking her about gas price and Pelosi said the price of gas was a dollar something when Bush took office and that it is now $2.56!!!  Larry King said no I think the average is over $3.00 a gallon now.  Shouldn't she know the average price of gasoline?

    I'm just saying...

    I gave (5.00 / 3) (#115)
    by sas on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:49:57 PM EST
    her the benefit of the doubt....she was saying $1.25 when Bush took office.

    Then she said the $2.56.  I thought, she can't mean $2.56 per gal, maybe she means $2.56 more than $1.25.  That would mean a gallon costs $3.81.  Well, maybe it does in CA.

    Yeah, that's what she meant.

    Now we have not only WORM (what Obama really meant) we have WPRM.....

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    Hmmm . . . good thing I didn't see that! (none / 0) (#106)
    by nycstray on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:47:01 PM EST
    teaser for tonight's news is that folks are filling up tonight before the price hikes .22 tomorrow morning. Our 'average' price right now is $3.69. Some stations it's $3.90+

    Oh, and I don't even drive.

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    Don't Live In A Particurly High Gas Market (none / 0) (#107)
    by MO Blue on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:49:49 PM EST
    and it is running about $3.50 here.

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    IMO there is something going on with (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by athyrio on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:23:57 PM EST
    the DNC leadership, that they think if they can just shore up the nomination for Obama, they can get all of Clintons supporters back no problem...They have something up their sleeve, that they think will do this...Wonder what it is...

    They are the ones out of touch (5.00 / 4) (#99)
    by txpolitico67 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:38:03 PM EST
    I am Latino.  My whole family is quite engaged in what's going on politically.  I have 6 brothers and sisters, their spouses and their children (roughly about 14 nephews and nieces) are all voting age...and are all going Clinton.

    If Pelosi & DNC, Inc. think that she would get even HALF of my family to go Obama I can sell her shares of the Bay Bridge.

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    You (none / 0) (#117)
    by sas on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:54:05 PM EST
    know, I think they really believe that we are all going to "come home" when this little fiasco plays out.  

    They better be damn careful, if it is even possible at this point.

    I think there are alot of people who don't come home.

    They have no clue how frackin' angry we are, and how unsatisfactory is their candidate to alot of us.  Plus, don't try to shove that guy down my throat, especially if Fla and Michigan aren't resolved fairly.

    The people are voting and they are voting for Hillary.  What voters don't want is someone making their choice for them,  I see media backlash too.  You just watch the voters...they will send a message, I think.

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    I think you're (none / 0) (#126)
    by txpolitico67 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 12:35:41 AM EST
    right about the media.  Looks like things are turning around.  Huff Post has it on their front page on how the media is leaving Obama.


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    Pelosi is an Obama supporter (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by PennProgressive on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:28:45 PM EST
    and like  many other Obama supporters she does not  support this idea. Pelosi is a disaster as a leader.

    FYI re: Unity (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by magster on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:24:35 PM EST
    I just got back from an Obama Colorado state delegate strategy meeting prior to conventions, and "directions from Chicago" were to respect the Clinton supporters and not try to convert them at the state convention.

    Convert or "change" (none / 0) (#112)
    by txpolitico67 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:43:49 PM EST
    wow...very interesting.  But I have to agree smart.  The ones going to the convention will be firmly planted in their respective candidate's camp.

    Conversion is futile.

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    New party? (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by Jane in CA on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:46:29 PM EST
    I have been saying for the last six weeks that I really see the opportunity for the emergence of a viable third party on the political landscape as a result of this election.

    Kennedy, Kerry, Dean, Dashle, Reid, Pelosi -- they're ineffective, and way past their sell-by date. A marginalized dem party keeps them powerful. A strong dem party -- the party the Clintons oversaw in the 1990s -- marginalizes them (the old guard).

    Make no doubt -- the fierce attempt by the old guard to keep HRC out of the White House is both personal and idealogical in scope. The Clinton presidency of the 1990s proved that the party must become more centrist to survive. That is anathama to the old guard. Really, the war between the old guard dems, and the Clinton dems, as exemplified in this primary, is a war for the future of the party.

    Ah well, either way, Clinton will be on my ballot come November.

    I would like to see a viable third party but . . . (none / 0) (#129)
    by MojaveWolf on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:09:33 AM EST
    I think the most this election will do is set the groundwork for one, not start a new one -- neither the Clinton nor the Obama supporters form a sufficiently coherent group of people -- Clinton supporters range the gamut from the more conservative elements of the party to the most progressive, with many different individual agendas, as do Obama supporters.  

    Neither group is more diverse than the Democratic party as a whole, but it takes a lot more focus to start and keep going a third party movement, especially since neither candidate is going to defect.  

    Also, as a Clinton supporter, the last thing I want is for the Democratic party to move further right.  If that's your goal, I think Obama would be the better candidate--have you read The Audacity of Hope?  

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    You're Got A Point That (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by Jane in CA on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:13:41 AM EST
    it would be nearly impossible to put together a party coalition before November.  I also agree that it's more likely the Clintons would use this electoral process as a fundamental building block toward designing a future political party.  I don't see Obama having either the ability or the ambition to put that kind of coalition together.  He's been treated very well by the democratic elite; not much percentage for him in biting the hand that feeds him.

    Oddly enough, my initial concern was that Obama was a conservative in liberal's clothing. I've read early analyses of his positions and senate votes, most notably by David Sirota, that led me to suspect Obama was not deeply committed to some of the causes Dems hold very important.  Many of his early remarks played into this perception as well -- i.e. he would unilaterally invade Pakistan based on "credible intelligence" that bin Laden was in the country (and I'm still waiting for someone to explain how that is different from what Bush did in Iraq).  Now, I see him as a tool of democratic elite, and his recent rhetoric (double capital gains taxes?) reflects that.

    And my first vote for President Clinton was a reluctant one -- I simply thought he was too conservative for a Democrat.  By the time he left office, though, I was a believer. The Clintons are masters of incrementalization. The first President Clinton said that "all change occurs at the margin," and he is absolutely right. You nibble away at the margins and eventually the center shifts.  The Clintons understand this like no one else in politics.

    Look at Hillary's plan to institute pre-school for four year olds.  Universal pre-school has been unilaterally rejected by voters in the most progressive state in the union. It clearly is not going to fly at the national level, so Hillary narrows the focus -- instead of trying to ram universal preschool down people's throats, she suggests the eminently reasonable alternative of allowing four year olds to attend pre-kindergarden classes.  Change at the margin, and a brilliant strategy.

    Sorry for going off-topic -- as you can see, I've given this subject a little bit of thought :).

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    Clinton (none / 0) (#148)
    by AnninCA on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:01:35 AM EST
    understood that all change is slow and steady.  I so agree with you, Jane.  What's fascinating to me about this campaign is that is how you truly achieve bi-partisanship.  Compromise, one step here, another step next year.  Slamming things in because of power moves hardly ever stays won.

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    Have you read (none / 0) (#133)
    by BrandingIron on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:36:57 AM EST

    Dreams from My Father?

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    Pelosi is a major disappointment. (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by BrandingIron on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:35:34 AM EST

    And a failure.  A complete failure and an embarrassment to me, as a Californian, to have her representing our state.  She's probably jealous to all Hell that there's actually a woman smarter than she is poised to take a position that IS the most powerful position in the nation.  Gawd, the jealousy...it burns and it sure shows.

    There have been so many times I have wanted (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:04:42 AM EST
    Pelosi to say something and she was mum.  She continues to be disappointing in her leadership role.

    What an idiot. (4.00 / 4) (#30)
    by rooge04 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:33:57 PM EST
    Seriously. That's all that can be said about this woman. She is simply an idiot.  Not to mention one of the biggest disappointments in government ever.

    Why is this news? (1.00 / 1) (#22)
    by 1jpb on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:30:38 PM EST
    This comment is less assertive than the time she implied HRC's dirty campaigning had poisoned the well for HRC being offered the veep by BO.

    Do you think this is good leadership? (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by Fabian on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:32:03 PM EST
    Or maybe it's Liebership?

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    She's behaving (5.00 / 6) (#28)
    by andgarden on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:33:46 PM EST
    like Donna Brazile. Is there some new rule were you can only call out a person's idiocy once, even if it's exhibited multiple times?

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    Such a rule does not seem (none / 0) (#141)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:46:20 AM EST
    to exist.  Otherwise, how could BTD keep going after the cable news folks?

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    When she lied you mean? (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by rooge04 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:34:44 PM EST
    Ugh.... (none / 0) (#1)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:10:00 PM EST
    Another embarrassing export from San Francisco.  

    Dean's projecting onto McCain too. (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by Salo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:05:05 PM EST
    He's suggesting that McCain's failure to get the NC State GOP to remove an ad is a failure of leadership on Mccain 's part.

    McCain will snap back:

    "Look at the debacle in the Dem Primaries where they are eating their own....what's that about leadership again Howard?"

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    yeah (none / 0) (#55)
    by boredmpa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:49:47 PM EST
    the land of fruits and nuts tends to keep the best people local.  everyone is just too afraid of the good ones, so the crappy folks with no backbone get exported and become "sf liberals" which is actually just code for, "safe liberal."  They get the in-party bump of having come from SF/liberal land, but don't exhibit anything other than party loyalty.  Pelosi is a party loyalist/elder, but she is not a leader.  

    But that's what happens when you're comfortable with never being challenged in your state.

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    This makes me (none / 0) (#4)
    by Lena on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:13:37 PM EST
    strongly want to donate much $$$ to any Nancy Pelosi challengers out there (preferably not Cindy Sheehan).

    In fact, if Clinton doesn't win the nomination, the money I've set aside for her will have to go into the challenger's coffers.

    (how did the Democratic party wind up with this bunch of losers anyway?)

    Unbelievable (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by janarchy on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:17:20 PM EST
    I'm with you. I saw the interview and wanted to throw something at my tv. It's hard to believe that 2 years ago, I was proud to support her campaign and couldn't wait to see what she would do taking over from the Republicans.

    Maybe she should actually worry more about doing something for the country and her own position than anyone else's. Her explanations about why they couldn't end the war were just mindblowing. "We expected the President to listen to us."?!

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    Don't waste your money - send it to HRC (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by dwmorris on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:38:42 PM EST
    The best course of action would be to help rally support for Pelosi's challenger when she stands for reelection to Speaker of the House in early 2009.  She failed to effectively engage the Bush administration on many issues (esp. the war in Iraq), so one would think she'd be vulnerable.

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    You mean John Boehner? (none / 0) (#42)
    by andgarden on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:39:46 PM EST
    Unless we lose seats, Pelosi is going to be nominated by the Dem caucus unopposed.

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    Why no opposition from with the caucus? n/t (none / 0) (#47)
    by dwmorris on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:45:52 PM EST
    Who would oppose her? (none / 0) (#60)
    by andgarden on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:52:10 PM EST
    Hoyer? Rahm? Clyburn? Those are pretty much your choices. None of them would be offended by this.

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    That may explain a lot (none / 0) (#108)
    by dwmorris on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:01:55 PM EST
    Maybe it's no surprise then that the Democratic caucus has been so ineffectual at confronting the Bush administration. If someone like Pelosi is able to emerge as the alpha dog and then hold onto power after her performance the last 15 months, what's the party coming to?

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    waste of time (none / 0) (#11)
    by Salo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:19:58 PM EST
    her district was heavily Obama.

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    >:-z (none / 0) (#15)
    by magisterludi on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:24:13 PM EST
    Grrrrr....

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    She has some frickin' nerve.. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Saul Goode on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:24:22 PM EST
    ..actually speaking what's on her mind. How dare she tell the truth!!!!

    Hey...who wants to play Name That Party?

    she's a party elder (5.00 / 7) (#19)
    by Salo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:27:53 PM EST
    much like the Chairman.  She's the highest ranking elected official in the party.  Third in line.

    She's supposed to be a referee.

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    "She's destroying the party!!!" (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Fabian on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:30:58 PM EST
    "She must be stopped for the good of Democrats everywhere!"

    Okay, now I feel dirty.

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    She (5.00 / 8) (#32)
    by sas on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:34:36 PM EST
    has a responsibility as a party leader to say nothing at all about it.  Let it play out.  She leads House Members who support either or both candidates.  Sometimes leaders in her shoes best be diplomatic.

    To speak your mind on a hot button item like this, over which you have no control, and in which you have a vested interest, creates many more problems than it solves.

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    Both Pelosi and Reid make me want to (none / 0) (#20)
    by Anne on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:28:24 PM EST
    pound my head on that table that neither one of them is ever willing to put anything really important on; the only silver lining to these frequent bursts of inanity from Pelosi - and Reid - is that maybe in January, 2009, the Democrats might be able to elect real leaders to the Speaker and Majority Leader positions.

    Assuming Barack Obama is not the nominee and downticket Dems don't go down with that ship.

    Shes upfront she cares about marigin in the House (none / 0) (#29)
    by Salt on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:33:50 PM EST
    only, it is obvious the White House having a Dem in it would is not her priority, and dose not provide and avenue to avoid ownership and responsibility her style has been for some time to turn that finger of blame to Bush. Her goals are not my goal.

    Btw, it's not a good idea. (none / 0) (#34)
    by Prabhata on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:35:05 PM EST


    I'd rather hear more of Rev. Wright (none / 0) (#35)
    by IndiDemGirl on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:35:36 PM EST
    than anything else from Pelosi, and I am an Obama supporter.

     I think the unity ticket may be the only way out of this mess, as things look right now.

    I don't agree. (1.50 / 2) (#48)
    by 1jpb on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:46:11 PM EST
    BO and Rendell or Strickland would be unstoppable.  And, they are strong HRC supporters, so that's plenty of unity.

    HRC would make a good Justice.

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    Strategery? (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by RalphB on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:12:41 PM EST
    Wow, pipe dreams.  Strickland as VP to try and take OH and Rendell as VP to have a shot in PA.  Too bad there's only 1 VP slot, he could have a different one for each state.  By the way, people don't generally vote for VP: see Quayle, Dan for an example.


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    It's only (1.50 / 2) (#95)
    by 1jpb on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:28:31 PM EST
    anecdotal, but I have seen (tv) and heard (radio) many person on the street interviews; it looks like a large proportion of HRC supporters are explicitly voting for her because they think WJC will help her.  So, voters do look at the whole picture, and a VP can be important in this way.

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    Heck yes (5.00 / 2) (#105)
    by wasabi on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:46:39 PM EST
    I think our country's problems are so deep and so wide I want someone with experience in the job at this time.  That extra set of eyes from WJC is just whipped cream on top.

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    Many? (none / 0) (#118)
    by sas on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:57:49 PM EST
    WJC does not even enter my mind.

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    Michelle factor (none / 0) (#138)
    by honora on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:11:25 AM EST
    I would never vote for Obama, because I know that Michelle would 'help' him and that is a terrifying prospect.  Thanks for the GOP talking point that Hillary's election is unconstitutional because it is in actually Bill's third term.  Personally, I find the 'Billary' attack one of the most sexist of the attacks against Hillary.  I agree with Chelsea, Hillary will be a much better president than Bill was, and Bill was an amazing president.

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    Rendell sounds like our only hope. (none / 0) (#61)
    by Salo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:52:43 PM EST
    A lot rides on exactly (none / 0) (#62)
    by IndiDemGirl on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:53:08 PM EST
    how it ends.  How the remaining states play out, how the "loser" loses, how the supers chose, if there is a floor fight, etc.

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    Pelosi (none / 0) (#43)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:40:39 PM EST
    Was the last one standing from the Burton SF machine.  If I had money to bet, she was not the smartest tool in the shed.  

    I disagree (none / 0) (#52)
    by Prabhata on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:48:35 PM EST
    Pelosi is smart and grew up in a political environment, like Gore.  She's smart, savvy and shrewed. You can disagree with her, but don't think she's not smart. Burton was my representative, that's how long I've lived in SF.  Btw, I vote for her.  Please forgive me.

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    Forgiveness? (none / 0) (#56)
    by txpolitico67 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:50:24 PM EST
    Not necessary.  If there is a competent challenger to her post next election cycle, just take a look and make your most informed decision.

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    What I am saying (none / 0) (#65)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:53:58 PM EST
    she had it easy in SF to get where she is.  I worked for a prominent politician back then, and I remember her.  

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    What's happening here? (none / 0) (#49)
    by Polkan on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:46:12 PM EST
    I just read through this thread and felt like I was reading comments about Clinton from Huffington Post or sites like that.

    Am I being too sensitive or are we trashing Pelosi now in exactly the same way Obama supporters are trashing Hillary? Idiot, power-hungry, etc?

    No, not HARDLY (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by txpolitico67 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:48:50 PM EST
    the Huffington Post here.  Blistering comments yes but nothing of the level of vitriol over there.  First, JM wouldn't allow it, or BTD for that matter.

    Any forward-thinking person who would rather see the party come together as opposed to it being torn apart can rightly take pause with Speaker Pelosi's comments.  Her best course of action is to let the campaigns speak for themselves.

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    It's a family quarrel. (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Prabhata on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:51:42 PM EST
    People are blaming Pelosi because she's the messenger for BO that HRC and BO will not be united. Ugh!

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    Messenger? (5.00 / 3) (#67)
    by squeaky on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:55:07 PM EST
    She is the house majority leader, not a messenger. The least she could do is keep her mouth shut and act neutral.

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    For all powers, there is someone above (none / 0) (#81)
    by Prabhata on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:05:06 PM EST
    She needs to be ambiguous... (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:55:52 PM EST
    and positive.  It's wrong to take sides.  

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    She could take her cue from (none / 0) (#143)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:49:14 AM EST
    Obama, who is personally always ambiguous and positive.

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    Pelosi, Maj Leader in w/below 20% approval (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by BackFromOhio on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:44:45 PM EST
    Since Pelosi is Majority Leader of the House in a Congress with below 20% approval rating for a long time, why does she think anyone, least of all American public, heed what she is saying?

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    do you mean moi? (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Salo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:54:23 PM EST
    She is supposed to act a a referee.

    Bush stayed out of this 2008 primary.

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    No you are right she being thumped (none / 0) (#54)
    by Salt on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:49:03 PM EST
    Suicide Pack if Obama can't win (none / 0) (#51)
    by Salt on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:47:50 PM EST
    Lanny Davis says ain't gonna happen Nancy.

    Neither candidate wants a unity ticket (none / 0) (#71)
    by Prabhata on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:58:16 PM EST
    Charlie Rose interviewed a guy who is a supporter of HRC about 3 months ago. I don't remember his name. But when asked about a unity ticket, he said it was a very bad idea.  He said that BO is a big change for the country, and HRC is another huge change.  The two would be too much for the voters to overcome. I think that point is valid.

    Only if you buy into the media narrative (5.00 / 3) (#73)
    by andgarden on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:59:41 PM EST
    instead of the demographic reality.

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    speaking of the nomination (none / 0) (#74)
    by Josey on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:59:50 PM EST
    Have you seen this??  WOW
    Recreate 1968 - havoc in Denver!

    http://www.recreate68.org/

    So the RNC (none / 0) (#89)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:14:45 PM EST
    gets nothing.  You know for all the bashing of us boomers, they keep imitating.  

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    The Sad Fact (none / 0) (#135)
    by bob h on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:14:05 AM EST
    is that she is just not very smart.

    I think (none / 0) (#140)
    by chrisvee on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:23:45 AM EST
    that Pelosi (like a lot of the leadership) is excited by Obama's ability to draw young voters into the Democratic Party.  They probably think it's the way out of the 50%+1 problem and into a more permanent Democratic majority.  I think that consideration, combined with the fact that she will likely be more powerful in an Obama presidency than in a Clinton one, is probably driving her remarks.  Unfortunately that may actually put our goal to regain the White House at risk.

    That said, I continue to be surprised how many of the party leaders are willing to show their hands rather than try to maintain an appearance of impartiality.  At the end of the day, what honest broker will remain? I'm afraid there may be a certain underlying blind arrogance that assumes the country will go Dem this fall no matter what so they don't need to be concerned about losing potential Clinton voters.  I hope they're guessing right but I fear they are wrong.

    I feel the party leadership missed the boat here by not clamping down early on the race/gender baiting and by not throwing their support into a Clinton/Obama ticket before everything got so crazy.  We could have had the experience and competence that we so desperately need after eight disastrous years of Bush while at the same time expanding the electoral map and engaging younger voters.  It would also have given Obama time to develop a 'voice' with all segments of the party base.

    With Obama is in a dead heat (none / 0) (#152)
    by misspeach2008 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:26:19 AM EST
    with McCain in "Don't blame me - I'm from Massachusetts", the party leaders should pause before assuming that Clinton supporters will "behave themselves" and vote for Obama.

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    If you send email (none / 0) (#150)
    by misspeach2008 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:22:14 AM EST
    to Howard Dean about anything, all you get back is a canned request for a donation.