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Pennsylvania Primary Results: Live Blog Two

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:15:41 PM EST
Tags: Pennsylvania '08, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton (all tags)
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New live thread here. This one's closing.

Fox and NBC call Pennsylvania for Hillary Clinton.

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    thanks Jeralyn and BTD (5.00 / 14) (#1)
    by daria g on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:54:06 PM EST
    for covering this!  Glad to have a place to visit and follow the results.  Just wanted to say that

    Yeah.... (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:54:41 PM EST
    thanks...

    [ Parent ]
    Me too (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:56:31 PM EST
    So nice..as Timmeh would say, thank you for sharing your views.

    [ Parent ]
    moi as well (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by tnjen on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:57:48 PM EST
    :) and w00t!!

    [ Parent ]
    So much word. You two are great! (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:58:22 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Thanks (none / 0) (#212)
    by chrisvee on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:39:47 PM EST
    Having a place to get some balanced analysis means so much.

    [ Parent ]
    So true! (none / 0) (#240)
    by Leisa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:53:37 PM EST
    I can not bring myself to turn on the television!  I have my candles glowing up the house and am hoping for a double digit win for Hillary tonight!  

    Thanks for being here!

    [ Parent ]

    Obama leaving the state (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by myiq2xu on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:54:34 PM EST
    says it all

    Yeah. (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by pie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:58:13 PM EST
    And he's lost the momentum he would have loved to have there.

    [ Parent ]
    Results coming in like molasses (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:54:47 PM EST
    There is no way that Hillary will win the city of Philadelphia, in my opinion. However, I think that Fox is right and that the early numbers were simply too high for Obama statewide. I await suburban Philly results.

    andgarden (5.00 / 4) (#75)
    by RalphB on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:04:58 PM EST
    Fox says the original exits showed suburban Philly for Obama but they've switched to Clinton winning there.

    [ Parent ]
    Really? (5.00 / 3) (#85)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:06:45 PM EST
    This will be an ridiculous landslide for Hillary, then.

    [ Parent ]
    Both my legs (5.00 / 3) (#95)
    by Marvin42 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:08:49 PM EST
    are tingling....wooohooooo.....

    [ Parent ]
    why do you say that (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:09:16 PM EST
    Oh Great Progenitor of PA?

    [ Parent ]
    Because you can't win with just Philly. (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:12:29 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    what are your new numbers on this (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:20:58 PM EST
    Andgarden?  You said landslide, but by how much?

    God, I would pay real money (to Clinton) to be a fly on the wall with the Obamas while they watch this come in!

    [ Parent ]

    I'm thinking 10% (none / 0) (#166)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:23:01 PM EST
    but it might be a little less, depending on how Philly turns out in the end.

    [ Parent ]
    aw, man! (none / 0) (#174)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:25:56 PM EST
    10% isn't landslide enough!  We need 16!!!

    [ Parent ]
    You can't always get what you want ;-) (none / 0) (#180)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:28:19 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    but if you try sometimes (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by RalphB on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:30:37 PM EST
    you just might find
    you get what you need  :-)

    [ Parent ]
    Schadenfreude not a laudable reaction n/t (none / 0) (#207)
    by rilkefan on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:38:09 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I just hope Michael Barone was right (none / 0) (#164)
    by RalphB on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:22:54 PM EST
    when he said that!

    [ Parent ]
    I agree (none / 0) (#184)
    by MichaelGale on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:29:23 PM EST
    at least from what little I know.

    Some of those counties have not been counted, like where I am from in SW PA.  I know they will go for Clinton.

    And the totals on the map appear to show her vote is increasing each time there is an update.

    [ Parent ]

    Suburbs for Clinton? (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:08:27 PM EST
    Well, that blows Rahm Emanuel's theory that it is going to be the suburbs that determine November. :)

    [ Parent ]
    gawd (none / 0) (#149)
    by tnjen on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:19:48 PM EST
    I hope that's true. I saw the suburbs going Clinton on one of the polls but can't remember which one.

    [ Parent ]
    Sorry, but I don't (none / 0) (#169)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:23:44 PM EST
    think so.  It would be nice but..... I am anxiously awaiting the map!

    [ Parent ]
    That's a landslide scenario. (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:10:02 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    55-45 for Hillary (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by DaveOinSF on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:55:40 PM EST
    Two thirds of the vote counted so far is coming from Philadelphia, which only provided 20% of the Kerry vote.  Looks like a Hillary landslide to me.

    Praying you're right! (5.00 / 5) (#28)
    by eleanora on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:58:25 PM EST
    I'm happy with any win at all, but 10% would be so sweet. He spent an absolute fortune there, had great press and six weeks. As the media's much-trumpeted front runner, he should have won this in a walk.

    [ Parent ]
    Does it bother anyone how gross (5.00 / 4) (#51)
    by Andy08 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:00:59 PM EST
    it was the amount of money Obama poured in the state ? I keep on shaking my head to the cost of elections...and it's not even the GE yet. It's crazy ...

    [ Parent ]
    you have to wonder what that could (5.00 / 3) (#67)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:03:52 PM EST
    do if it was spread around to house and senate seats.

    [ Parent ]
    Inorite? (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by eleanora on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:07:03 PM EST
    If we had  even one-twentieth of what was spent by both sides on this one contest to use for Dems here in MT, we'd be looking at a true-blue state for the fall.

    [ Parent ]
    lt's kind of (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by Andy08 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:15:39 PM EST
    embarrassing to show the world we are spending these amount of money on primaries ...

    [ Parent ]
    absolutely! (none / 0) (#66)
    by Lil on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:03:47 PM EST
    imagine what we could do with the money spent on these campaigns. Ridiculous.

    [ Parent ]
    snap. (none / 0) (#71)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:04:19 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Rachel Maddow (none / 0) (#91)
    by chrisvee on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:08:04 PM EST
    Thinks that the Obama campaign strategy was to 'break Clinton's bank' and that they achieved it.

    [ Parent ]
    And still lose? (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Marvin42 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:10:23 PM EST
    Great strategy, because it nullifies the "I get more money and its good" argument and she can always loan herself more money! Not to mention the money she'll raise if this is a  blowout.

    [ Parent ]
    If she's worth 1000 million (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:11:58 PM EST
    she can clearly keep it going.

    that was the last large TV market.

    [ Parent ]

    100 million. (none / 0) (#175)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:25:56 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    She's off her head. (5.00 / 5) (#108)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:11:13 PM EST
    Clinton will reap a huge cash harvest after this.

    [ Parent ]
    Short Rachel Maddow: (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by lilburro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:12:06 PM EST
    They spent all their money and we can still buy kool-aid!  AHAHAHAHAHAHA

    John King is timetravelling on his map.

    [ Parent ]

    Well, now we have to help her replenish the bank. (none / 0) (#101)
    by derridog on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:09:52 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by chrisvee on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:29:28 PM EST
    I made a donation as soon as they called the state for her.  I hope she gets a huge fundraising bump tonight.

    [ Parent ]
    Bothers me a lot (none / 0) (#113)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:12:26 PM EST
    I wish we could have all public financing, at least in the form of a designated amount of free air time.

    I hope I would say that if the shoe were on the other foot.

    [ Parent ]

    But how would people get to know Obama? (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by Practically Lactating on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:17:17 PM EST
    That's not fair.

    [ Parent ]
    I agree with both (none / 0) (#137)
    by Andy08 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:17:24 PM EST
    your statements ...


    [ Parent ]
    It's gross (none / 0) (#127)
    by wasabi on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:16:12 PM EST
    It's gross how much both of them are spending.  Give some love to the down ticket candidates too.

    [ Parent ]
    he should have won this in a walk. (5.00 / 3) (#125)
    by echinopsia on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:15:23 PM EST
    And he would have, if he were the better candidate.

    [ Parent ]
    Yet (none / 0) (#69)
    by chrisvee on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:04:06 PM EST
    Timmeh and KO sit here and discuss the small current margin as if it's real.  They are in denial.

    [ Parent ]
    Russert, et al, ridiculous, saying super-d's (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:06:20 PM EST
    are gonna call on HRC to cave and leave, based on the 52-48 in, essentially, Philadelphia.

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah, KO is the king of (none / 0) (#117)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:13:04 PM EST
    ridiculous hypotheticals.

    [ Parent ]
    Timmeh and KO are whinging (none / 0) (#170)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:24:23 PM EST
    about how Clinton said last year that FLA and MI wouldn't count, but now they want to count the FLA and MI popular votes to count.

    KO: whinging about how popular vote is not the metric.

    Timmeh says something that actually makes sense: Obama has to win the matchpoint. So far, he hasn't been able to do that.

    KO: When you are marketing a new product, you can't take down a known product that's been leading the market in just one year.

    I'm going back to American Idol. It is much more rational.

    [ Parent ]

    Well, Thank Goodness (none / 0) (#246)
    by BDB on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:55:47 PM EST
    McCain has not been a leading product on the market for more than a year or else Keith just said Obama can't win in November.

    Oh, wait...

    [ Parent ]

    Hillary may win by double digit (none / 0) (#258)
    by PennProgressive on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:03:57 PM EST
    Currently, CNN is showing a 6-8% margin for Hillary. But 25% of the precints from Philladelphia have already reported and Obama is leading there  by about 10,000 votes. Nothing is in from Scranton or Allentown area. Today I went door to door as part GOTV effort in parts of Scranton where it seemed like more than 80% of the voters were supporting Hillary. Paper ballots were used in Scranton. So perhaps the results from that area will be  delayed. I will not be surprised if she wins by double digit. Annd I did not think it was  possible. Donna Brazile seems to be in pain now. I will love to see her face if Hillary really wins  by double digit.

    [ Parent ]
    CNN (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:55:54 PM EST
    not enough results for call, but that map is awesome.  

    So will Obama concede.... (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:56:05 PM EST
    ...or we he declare victory because she didn't beat him by 20.

    This is how it'll go (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:58:12 PM EST
    White Pennsylvanians are racist gun toting Xenophopic BITTER ENDERS.

    Goddamnem!

    They are like holding up the victory and the mission accomplished aircraft carrier landing!


    [ Parent ]

    he has two choices (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by dws3665 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:59:45 PM EST
    Declare a moral victory for "keeping it close in her territory" (despite being the foregone conclusion winner and outspending her at least 3:1)

    or

    Some version of the low information voters/Archie Bunker/racist PA voters don't count to us "true Dems" meme.

    I anticipate a little of both.

    [ Parent ]

    he'll blame archie bunker. (none / 0) (#115)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:12:33 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Nope, he'll blame Edith Bunker (5.00 / 4) (#124)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:15:19 PM EST
    old white woman that she is. :-)

    [ Parent ]
    Oh, man, what a great episode (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by echinopsia on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:18:16 PM EST
    that would have been. Edith votes for a Democratic woman. Archie has a sh*tfit. Edith stands up to him. Meathead and Sally support Edith and the Democratic woman.

    I miss that show.

    //yes I am old.

    [ Parent ]

    Hmm, could we get Rob Reiner (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:29:26 PM EST
    to do a sequel for this election?  Some fun!  I'd love to see Archie talk about Obama's bowling form.

    I think Meathead and Sally would support Edith voting her choice -- but I think Meathead and Sally would split their votes, too; he for Obama, she for Clinton.  And that could make some interesting tv, with the generational and gender divides.

    And then get the former neighbors, the Jeffersons, back for a visit. . . .

    [ Parent ]

    Meathead for Clinton, (none / 0) (#235)
    by echinopsia on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:51:04 PM EST
    Sally (why can I not remember her character's name?) for Obama. She was the really ditzy one, remember?

    [ Parent ]
    Gloria (none / 0) (#251)
    by leis on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:57:29 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Did you know that was a (none / 0) (#204)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:37:44 PM EST
    Britsh sit com rip off?

    The English version is Alf Garnet.

    It was a made a few years earlier than the American version.

    [ Parent ]

    he can can claim a victory... (none / 0) (#70)
    by white n az on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:04:16 PM EST
    because as the 'neutral' Donna Brazille says...anything under 20% loss is a victory for Obama.

    [ Parent ]
    I think it will still be by 18% ;) (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by rooge04 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:56:35 PM EST


    more around 10% (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:59:17 PM EST
    But i'll bet the demographics are astounding proof that Obama will be wiped out in November.

    [ Parent ]
    She should quit while she is ahead (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by Practically Lactating on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:26:19 PM EST
    and go out with some dignity. Ha. Just kidding. I'll be throwing more than "change" her way shortly.

    [ Parent ]
    Holy Hemiola! I pledged $20/point (none / 0) (#36)
    by goldberry on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:59:33 PM EST
    I'm going to be broke.

    [ Parent ]
    you should've asked BarnBabe (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:11:15 PM EST
    which horse to bet on!

    [ Parent ]
    and you are basing this on.......? (none / 0) (#55)
    by telaensarto on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:01:30 PM EST
    I'd like to agree.

    [ Parent ]
    Hope! And change too! (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by rooge04 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:09:02 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Yes! (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Oje on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:56:37 PM EST
    And thanks for keeping me sane for the last 6 weeks. Now, where to get more money for Hillary in North Carolina...

    I'm going to find more, again (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:01:24 PM EST
    even heading into a teacher's summer (no pay).

    My payback will come in November. :-)

    [ Parent ]

    Did Casey really say (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by pie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:56:43 PM EST
    that you can't win in the fall if you don't win PA?!

    Whoa.

    So (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:58:28 PM EST
    is he now going to switch his vote? Or does he think that winning isn't important?

    [ Parent ]
    If we get a Dem in teh WH (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:00:18 PM EST
    it always interferes with our majority of Senate And House seats.

    Most of the Freshmen  would prefer to be in opposition  rather than have the Presidency.

    [ Parent ]

    Where did Casey say that? (none / 0) (#58)
    by jawbone on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:02:28 PM EST
    And was that must win the Dem primary or must win PA in the Fall?

    [ Parent ]
    yes. He most certainly did. (none / 0) (#99)
    by rooge04 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:09:28 PM EST
    He ain't too bright that one.

    [ Parent ]
    ABC just called for Hillary (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:57:53 PM EST
    But Charlie and George say she still doesn't have what it takes to beat Barack. Not enough delegates, not enough popular vote and no money. George says Hillary must now win both Indiana and N. Carolina.

    What does she have to do for these people to see the light?

    Dems need to fiddle with the map (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:16:45 PM EST
    http://www.270towin.com/

    and see that Obama can't beat McCain if he loses Penn and Ohio and any single NE state.

    [ Parent ]

    KO keeps trying to spin it as (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:57:57 PM EST
    bad for Hillary.  I guess I am not surprised.

    Look at the suburban Philly counties (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Makarov on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:58:02 PM EST
    They're where the margin will be determined.  The exits say he's won the philly burbs, but I'm skeptical.  I guess we'll know in an hour or two.

    FYI: PA official returns (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by DandyTIger on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:58:55 PM EST
    can be found here.

    I think I can safely say (5.00 / 8) (#32)
    by magisterludi on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:59:03 PM EST
    Jeralyn and BTD have kept a lot of us from going stark ravin' the last few weeks and months. Many thanks.

    CNN's coverage (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by nowar99 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:59:37 PM EST
    Wonder what CNN is waiting for...  seems to be Hillary's victory everywhere else. I guess that this is one way to keep junkies dialed in to their network...

    Less fun to play with the map (none / 0) (#48)
    by lilburro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:00:51 PM EST
    if they call it...

    [ Parent ]
    Fox thinks about Clinton by 10 at least (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by Salt on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:59:48 PM EST


    i'm thinking (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Turkana on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:00:05 PM EST
    that if that philly margin doesn't expand, that 7 point victory margin will- maybe by quite a bit.

    Hard to know which precincts are coming in (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:01:07 PM EST
    first. Frankly, it's usually the white ones. Still, Obama should be doing better with so many votes counted in Philly.

    [ Parent ]
    Landslide (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by IKE on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:00:28 PM EST
    Can you say landslide, that's what I see

    Clinton by 10 (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by otherlisa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:00:55 PM EST
    is my guestimate.

    Clinton by 10 is near the margin for calling it (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:12:53 PM EST
    a big win for Hillary, IMO.

    [ Parent ]
    52-48 is not a great result for Obama (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:01:16 PM EST
    in Philly, is it?
    I saw on CNN a while ago that 58% of late deciders chose Hillary. That is typical, right?

    Yes - (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:03:27 PM EST
    they said that is her typical late decider lead.

    [ Parent ]
    Don't underestimate... (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by dws3665 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:07:11 PM EST
    the fact that Nutter and his machine are pro-Hillary. We'll need to wait and see what the final numbers are, obviously, but if it's closer than predicted, it could be due to Nutter's influence.

    [ Parent ]
    I hope the machine worked for her (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by Redstar on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:22:21 PM EST
    Love listening to Terry McAuliffe (on CNN right now).  He's so damn peppy.

    [ Parent ]
    it's atrocious (none / 0) (#72)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:04:28 PM EST
    I expect his margin to go way up there, or he gets blown out.

    [ Parent ]
    No... (none / 0) (#77)
    by Dawn Davenport on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:05:43 PM EST
    ...John King said Obama's campaign was counting on 80 percent or more.

    [ Parent ]
    My "no" answer... (none / 0) (#84)
    by Dawn Davenport on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:06:36 PM EST
    ...was in response to the Philly results question.

    [ Parent ]
    still to early to tell about Philly... (none / 0) (#188)
    by Leisa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:30:46 PM EST
    Hopefully the late deciders were late in casting their votes ;)

    [ Parent ]
    They keep talking about Obama's money (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:02:29 PM EST
    advantage in Indiana.  Does that matter that much if she wins by 7 or more here?  Seems like the money is only effective up to a point.

    But I'm glad MSNBC keeps telling people how bad she needs money.  I wonder if viewers are taking this as a pledge drive and calling in.

    Money is important and she needs some (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by goldberry on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:05:47 PM EST
    She has to pay staffers and TV ads and lawn signs and all kinds of stuff.  He outspent her by 3:1 but she is still in need of money. So, send her a few if you have it.

    [ Parent ]
    Big Obama money in Oregon (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:09:49 PM EST
    Cannot turn on the teevee without getting assaulted by Obama ads. Nothing from Hillary, and I am kind of glad. Ads have been all Obama all the time for over a week. Our primary is May 20! I can't stand it! I may be forced to give up television if Obama keeps this up.

    [ Parent ]
    Counties (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by DaveOinSF on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:03:10 PM EST
    Coutnies with significant numbers already in:

    Warren (42% reporting) - 70-30 for Hillary
    Luzerne (31% in) - 75-25 for Hillary

    Once the results stop being so Philly-centric, this will be a rout.

    Will vote for McCain (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:03:28 PM EST
    Here we go:

    Clinton supporters.. 26% will vote McCain; 19% will stay home... 45%

    Obama supporters... 17% will vote McCain; 12% will stay home... 29%

    Based on primary results, Clinton survives even with a 20% increase in Repub turnout.

    Based on primary results, Obama even without losing any independents to McCain nor an increase in Repub turnout.

    Please realize that many Republican women (5.00 / 1) (#213)
    by Leisa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:40:29 PM EST
    will vote for Hill in the GE!!!  She will trounce McCain.  Obama has too many issues that have yet to be exploited.  
    I do not care if he claims that Hillary has thrown the whole kitchen at him...  I think she has just tried to respond in kind without bringing in the real dirt.  
    She kind of reminds me of my daughter trying to deal with her younger brother's taunts.  He is sneaky and gets away with them because her response is more high profile (and usually correct!)
    Go Hillary!  Get a double to pop the bubble!

    [ Parent ]
    Scary and sad. (none / 0) (#222)
    by eleanora on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:44:41 PM EST
    But I think we'll all come together once we figure out the ticket. I was so mad over Obama's health care ads last night I was ready to stay home, but I'd already calmed down even before her win in PA and was thinking straight again. I hope most lifelong Dems will do the same.

    [ Parent ]
    If Obama (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:03:33 PM EST
    is only winning by a few points in Philly, he's in big trouble.

    God. KO is asking Timmeh (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:04:41 PM EST
    what will happen if the margin is exactly like it is now - 4%.

    Funny though - he told them to stop the Clinton telethon. Guess he got the same impression I got from his own coverage.

    Lets all send Hillary $$$$$$$$ (5.00 / 3) (#74)
    by Mrwirez on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:04:51 PM EST
    I just sent another $100.00.
    I predicted 11-15% after I voted today I think she will hit about 12 when its over. Hopefully BHO is out of super delegates, and she can pick up the 6 in PA that did not commit......

    I'll give her $10 for every %age pt. (5.00 / 3) (#120)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:13:44 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I'm giving her $20 (5.00 / 2) (#177)
    by angie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:27:24 PM EST
    for every point she wins over Obama in PA -- if she wins by 20, I will be maxed out for the primary, and then I will die happy.  

    [ Parent ]
    Wooo!!!! (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:06:14 PM EST
    CNN.com just called it for HILLARY!!!!

    Time to go buy that champagne!!

    Double Digit Defeat? (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by Decal on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:06:57 PM EST
    Rachel Maddow said all the millions Obama spent in PA was well worth it because it "broke Hillary Clinton's bank".  Pat Buchanan countered that the money went down the chute as all it got Obama was "a double digit defeat"!.  Hmm.  How does he know?  

    That's General Haig's (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:21:43 PM EST
    defense of his Somme battles.

    Obama is not that good a candidate. He'll lose many of the battle ground states.

    [ Parent ]

    Old Reagan strategy... (none / 0) (#119)
    by white n az on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:13:28 PM EST
    arms race that broke communist Russia

    [ Parent ]
    Nope (none / 0) (#143)
    by lorelynn on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:18:28 PM EST
    The Soviets only increased their defense spending by a point or two for one year, IIRC. We, however, went nuts with military spending. Mostly, that's a myth created to explain Reagan's massive deficit.

    [ Parent ]
    I have a new channel changing rule (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:08:26 PM EST
    It used to be commercials, now it is whenever Timmeh opens his pie hole.

    Yeah Hillary! (5.00 / 3) (#97)
    by heineken1717 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:09:11 PM EST
    Hilarious that Obama can't win one big state outside of his home. Go Hillary go!!!!!

    Hey, Barack won Alaska, biggest state in the union (5.00 / 3) (#134)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:17:15 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    If you can not win FL, MI, PA ,OH,NY,NJ (none / 0) (#241)
    by Mrwirez on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:54:14 PM EST
    or California..............You ain't winnin' JACK in November. If I were a superD I would be calling the Obama camp and work a deal

    [ Parent ]
    Accept a VP position (none / 0) (#249)
    by Mrwirez on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:57:00 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    TL kid! (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by lilburro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:09:54 PM EST
    Wow Jeralyn wasn't kidding about corn on the cob.

    Here in the eastern time zone, we are in white wine zone.  

    URGGGHH I wish I was at that Philly rally!

    Chiming in 12 time zones away from PA... (5.00 / 5) (#107)
    by OrangeFur on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:11:12 PM EST
    Great news for this Hillary supporter!

    For months now, the good people of Pennsylvania have been told that it's over, that Obama has won, that it doesn't matter what they do. Their job was to ratify Obama's inevitable nomination, finally end Hillary's campaign, and move on.

    Well, not so fast.

    Go and tell Ted Kennedy. Go and tell Pat Leahy. Go and tell Donna Brazile. Go and tell Nancy Pelosi. Go and tell Markos, Josh Marshall, Matt Yglesias, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann.

    Hillary Clinton is still going, and so are we. Universal health care hasn't breathed its last yet.

    CNN Dukakis (5.00 / 3) (#121)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:14:43 PM EST
    John on CNN with map.... showing the votes with colors and pointing out that Obama will do a Dukakis in Penn.  Watch the belts on the left and right of the map for the wins on the cities and those 'lunch bucket' 'Reagan Democrats'

    WOOHOO 10% in 10 pts!!!!  (ok, I know it's not going to end there, but it's great to look at)

    Interesting to see them (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by lilburro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:16:41 PM EST
    seriously consider Obama Dukakis-esque...without a pundit immediately shouting them down.

    An enjoyable moment for me.

    [ Parent ]

    Yes! Finally they are discussing the problem ... (5.00 / 3) (#152)
    by cymro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:20:31 PM EST
    ... with Obama's candidacy. This is the first time I have seen this analysis on TV.

    Can this possibly be a sign of a new level of realism in the media's analysis of what is happening in this primary?

    [ Parent ]

    Ha! Ha! No! (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:25:28 PM EST
    You find that discussion by Joe on MSNBC.  It is talked down elsewhere.

    [ Parent ]
    That would sure make it a lot easier (none / 0) (#256)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:03:00 PM EST
    for the SDs to pick Hillary.  I hope the media finally starts socializing that idea.

    [ Parent ]
    Indiana a must win for Obama (5.00 / 4) (#129)
    by DandyTIger on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:16:30 PM EST
    Harold Ford on MSNBC just said his message to Obama is he must win Indiana to have a chance at the nomination. He said earlier today that if Hillary wins by 8% or more, the SD's must rethink their current position. Wow, Harold is a realist. Stunning.

    WOW other than the GE Obama networks (5.00 / 3) (#138)
    by Salt on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:17:30 PM EST
    Clinton is receiving fair coverage FINALLY, her comment today on close the deal and the heat in the kitchen will end up being GOLD.

    And Donna Brazile actually praised (none / 0) (#260)
    by BlueMerlin on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:09:14 PM EST
    Bill Clinton's civil rights record.   I nearly fainted!  Maybe the CNN pundits have finally gotten the memo.

    [ Parent ]
    It might be -- it could be -- (5.00 / 4) (#142)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:18:22 PM EST
    IT IS!! A home run!

    This has the makings of a big night for HRC. Now, why won't she quit?

    Holy Cow! (none / 0) (#156)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:21:29 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Can you imagine? (none / 0) (#198)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:35:56 PM EST
    Harry Carey doing election coverage?

    [ Parent ]
    I still think (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by wasabi on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:18:31 PM EST
    I still think that a Clinton/Obama ticket wins in the fall.

    MSNBC Joe and Harold (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:19:20 PM EST
    Great discussion on MSNBC... Clinton, roll up sleeves, get in with voters, you want to discuss issues, I'll discuss issues, challenge Obama to a debate once a week, outspent 4 to 1 and still won, what's wrong with that guy, Obama can have all the money in the world but unless he does what you (Harold) did, go and roll-up his sleeves and gets the blue collar workers, he's not going to put Clinton away.

    Harold: Obama advantage in IN, he's got to hold on to it.  Don't complain about running against Clinton's, put on your armor and run.

    WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS GUY? (5.00 / 4) (#148)
    by TalkRight on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:19:38 PM EST
    Finally Joe Scarborough nailing Barrack Obama.. he got all the money.. all the money.. all the advantage.. STILL he can't win.. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS GUY?

    Aww.. the Exit Polls scared some (5.00 / 3) (#150)
    by MarkL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:20:05 PM EST
    Kossacks. Mommy, please tell me it's going to be ok!

    I just read some of the comments.. (none / 0) (#254)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:58:45 PM EST