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Pennsylvania Primary Results: Live Blog One

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:44:49 PM EST
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Big Tent Democrat and I will live blog the election results. We'll begin when the polls close and start new threads when comments reach 200 or so.

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    I'll be spending the night (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:48:15 PM EST
    at the CNN results page. Personally, I love their map--it makes me feel a bit like John King with the big board.

    My first big question of the night: who wins Montgomery County, and by how much?

    I'm going to say Clinton. (none / 0) (#27)
    by lilburro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:56:18 PM EST
    Montgomery Co. has plenty of democrats, but the area itself is somewhat conservative, not huge activists.  Older, settled people.  I used to canvass there.  KOP, Pottstown, Norristown, Lafayette Hill, Upper Dublin...I see these as being more Clinton than Obama.  

    [ Parent ]
    I wonder about Jenkintown (none / 0) (#36)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:58:47 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Jenkintown... (none / 0) (#55)
    by lilburro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:02:08 PM EST
    what I find weird about Montgomery County, is that it does have Democrats with money, but I don't think they are the typical "creative class" monied Democrats on the whole.  More of the professional type.  That's why I think Clinton might do better in Montgomery County.  But maybe I'm wrong.

    [ Parent ]
    canvassing in Montgomery Cty (none / 0) (#95)
    by Kensdad on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:11:52 PM EST
    i just canvassed for 4 straight weekends in montgomery county.  i don't see any way that obama can win there.

    [ Parent ]
    Per some guy at Kos who used gender extrapolation (none / 0) (#90)
    by magster on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:11:14 PM EST
    51 C 47 O

    He said this method was spot on in TX and OH.

    [ Parent ]

    Turnout (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:49:21 PM EST
    81% White, 14% A-A, 5% Other.

    58% Women (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:50:22 PM EST
    42% Men.

    [ Parent ]
    No undecideds? (none / 0) (#15)
    by frankly0 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:53:05 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Heh (none / 0) (#19)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:53:58 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    demographically (none / 0) (#150)
    by boredmpa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:29:17 PM EST
    Undecideds tend to cluster in CA...

    But anyway, the scientific term is Intersex.  And accepted definitions suggest 1% are intersex at birth, with .1-.2% attracting medical attention (altering/correction into a normative male/female category).

    Gender wise, undecideds prefer to be called gender queer or genderless as "undecided" implies a dichotomy they most don't believe in.

    And that's my story for today from SF.

    [ Parent ]

    sexuality is so fluid (none / 0) (#181)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:36:32 PM EST
    I prefer to just call us all human beings!

    (except for some republicans)

    [ Parent ]

    heh (none / 0) (#209)
    by boredmpa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:47:47 PM EST
    but but we can't be polled easily if aren't categorized!  And how can we maintain group cohesion without groups!

    [ Parent ]
    fluids? (none / 0) (#229)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:07:36 PM EST
    oh misread.

    [ Parent ]
    oh and (none / 0) (#183)
    by boredmpa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:36:43 PM EST
    having done questionnaires in the queer community...these things come up as part of the survey process. Though I forget what we've gone with (depends on if you want to identify trans folk, intersex, etc)

    terminology soup.  and mine may not be accurate. im too lazy to keep up on PC terms.


    [ Parent ]

    27% of PA Voters ... (none / 0) (#22)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:55:14 PM EST
    over 65, according to CNN.

    [ Parent ]
    SUSA got race correct (none / 0) (#32)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:57:54 PM EST
    But age and Gender, not so much.

    [ Parent ]
    I mean, really close (none / 0) (#50)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:00:20 PM EST
    but not as close as race.

    [ Parent ]
    and according to fox 61 to Clinton (none / 0) (#108)
    by Salt on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:15:23 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    same as ohio (none / 0) (#48)
    by Salt on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:00:09 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Fox saying Obama 92 of AA vote (none / 0) (#58)
    by Salt on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:02:52 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Big surprise. (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by BrandingIron on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:32:15 PM EST

    And yet it's somehow "racist" for anyone to say that blacks are voting for Obama.  eyeroll

    [ Parent ]
    Is that a prediction or data? (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:50:55 PM EST
    If it's the latter, SUSA gets its first gold star of the night.

    [ Parent ]
    Data (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:51:58 PM EST
    Saw it scroll on MSNBC

    [ Parent ]
    Thanks (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:52:27 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    NO! (none / 0) (#6)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:50:57 PM EST
    14???  Wasn't it 17 for Kerry?  Wtfrack?

    [ Parent ]
    Maybe it means (none / 0) (#169)
    by BrandingIron on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:34:56 PM EST
    they got really p oed about the whole Wright issue exposing the way "black churches" are.  Maybe some of that "hope and change" was lost when they saw how the Wright thing exploded, or how Obama p oed the white voters with the whole clinging to guns and religion thing.

    Or maybe they didn't see any point int turning out for a losing cause (in the state).

    [ Parent ]

    Is that AA number (none / 0) (#14)
    by americanincanada on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:52:54 PM EST
    accurate?! That can't be right can it? What will that mean?

    [ Parent ]
    That's just how many they asked (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:59:34 PM EST
    and still to be adjusted by turnout data, I bet.

    [ Parent ]
    Exit poll number (none / 0) (#18)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:53:43 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    what are the main (none / 0) (#17)
    by Turkana on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:53:39 PM EST
    "others" in pennsylvania?

    [ Parent ]
    I didn't know there were that many others (none / 0) (#23)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:55:27 PM EST
    but my best guess is hispanics in Philly and Reading.

    [ Parent ]
    how large (none / 0) (#26)
    by Turkana on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:56:10 PM EST
    is the asian population?

    [ Parent ]
    Very limited (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:56:58 PM EST
    A few here and there, mostly in Philly.

    [ Parent ]
    would that there were (none / 0) (#46)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:00:04 PM EST
    stealth asians scattered in key areas...

    [ Parent ]
    Not sure (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by nell on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:59:00 PM EST
    but I talked to a volunteer who was covering Chinatown in Philadelphia and he said the turnout for Clinton in Chinatown was big and people were very enthusiastic about supporting her. That being said, I don't think the population is big enough to really make a dent.

    [ Parent ]
    Yay Chinatown! (none / 0) (#205)
    by Redstar on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:45:43 PM EST
    Love that Chinatown bus.  :)

    [ Parent ]
    All is black and white (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by andrys on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:06:04 PM EST
    We golden ones don't exist in political minds  :-)

    [ Parent ]
    hey! (none / 0) (#88)
    by Turkana on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:10:59 PM EST
    great to see you! hope you got some traffic when i linked your takedown of the drudge rumor!

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, that did help (5.00 / 1) (#232)
    by andrys on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:31:45 PM EST
    Turkana, there was quite a bit of traffic on the photo in native garb, from your link and jawbone's.  Many thanks for all the eyes that got to see it wouldn't have been 'leaked' by Clinton, as Obama again told his audiences in Mississippi on March 10, in order to rile them up against her (while media calls him St. Francis or "too decent to go negative."  )

    (He did this after the debate in which he said he took her at her word and they were going put it in the past and go forward.)

      He also complained to the same crowds that she didn't defend him on 60 minutes and quoted that one clause that came after a question asked 3 times and which she followed by saying how she just did not like seeing anyone smeared by rumors because she knew what that was like.   It helped him with his crowds though to leave out her defenses, and that was all that mattered.  More unsettling is that this encouraged his crowds to hate her for what she was doing to him.  Mr. Unity struck again.

      I'm so happy about tonight's results.  

      - A forgotten golden  :-)   Even finely aged!

    [ Parent ]

    Golden ones....... (none / 0) (#118)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:18:28 PM EST
    May I plagarize?

    That's classic.  Very good.

    Isn't that the truth?

    I bet you do feel pushed out this year,  Talk about irrelevant!

    [ Parent ]

    HRC loves gold.... (none / 0) (#152)
    by Shainzona on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:29:30 PM EST
    and black and brown and white and every color in the rainbow!

    [ Parent ]
    A Foucaultian construct. (none / 0) (#230)
    by Salo on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:08:35 PM EST
    The homosexual dystopian utopia?

    [ Parent ]
    Bar is lower than I thought (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by ineedalife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:50:23 PM EST
    Harold Ford just said an 8 point Hillary win should cause all the SDs to re-think. Joe Scarborough said 5-6.

    Nice to hear. (none / 0) (#10)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:52:13 PM EST
    It should, given the discrepencies of campaign spending between the two.

    [ Parent ]
    re-think (none / 0) (#13)
    by Turkana on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:52:29 PM EST
    what?

    [ Parent ]
    Their position (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by ineedalife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:00:15 PM EST
    Harold Ford, while stressing his neutrality, said that with that margin some Obama delegates may begin to re-think.

    [ Parent ]
    CNN: Decided Last Week - 58 C/42 O (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Lysis on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:51:36 PM EST
    CNN just flashed an exit poll:

    Voters Who Decided in the Last Week

    Clinton  58%
    Obama    42%

    yes...but were they bowlers? (none / 0) (#11)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:52:17 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    bitter bowlers? (none / 0) (#25)
    by white n az on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:55:55 PM EST
    alliteration just glides off the tongue...

    Actually, CNN showed that gun owners and people who attend church regularly exit polled at 58/59% respectively in favor of Hillary...but sorry to say, they apparently didn't exit poll either bowlers or arugula lovers.

    [ Parent ]

    40% of PA voters are gun owners (none / 0) (#35)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:58:19 PM EST
    per an AP exit bowl.  I hope the bowlers are not the same people.  It could really destroy the ambience of the bowling alleys, if they start totin' guns along with their shoes, and if someone blows a natural strike. :-)

    [ Parent ]
    Russert is taking (none / 0) (#16)
    by bjorn on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:53:16 PM EST
    this one on and then adds women are what keep Obama from closing the deal!

    [ Parent ]
    pesky voters! (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:03:44 PM EST
    Why won't they let him win?!

    [ Parent ]
    now he is implying if (none / 0) (#20)
    by bjorn on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:54:10 PM EST
    Obama were white the white women would not have been as loyal to Clinton. What kind of crap is that?

    [ Parent ]
    Even worse, Russert and Olbermann (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by andrys on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:03:34 PM EST
    ... they actually said that perhaps Obama should choose another WOMAN for running mate and would that satisfy the white (hmmmm, I'm not white) women who so strongly support her.

      What an incredibly dense thought -- that the support is because or only because she's a woman, and that any other woman might be able to do the trick and get Clinton's base of supporters!  It was stunning to me that they are quite this thick.  

      It doesn't occur to them that her support comes because she is so extremely smart, fluent about the issues because she CARES about the problems that much and has a zillion ideas on how to fix them and is ready to go.  

      Her experience as a senator has shown someone who can turn her enemies around and work with them on joint projects.  Something Obama only says he would be able to do.

      Night of New Hampshire I was hoping Edwards and Obama would knock Clinton out of the race as I never wanted to hear the dramas of the Clintons again, but when I heard her speak about many issues, that turned me around completely - and it was helped by Obama NOT talking about the issues but making the same slick stump speech for all these months.

      He stumbles and halts when asked about issues because, really, he has not thought much about them.  He can talk well if it's on something he cares about, but they're not issues, only on wanting to make change -- or to promise a list of about 21 costly things for all of us while saying he would never pander as other politicans do ( ! )

    [ Parent ]

    Maybe (5.00 / 3) (#67)
    by chrisvee on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:05:53 PM EST
    They could just transplant someone else's head on Senator Clinton's body. Would that solve the 'obstinate older white woman' problem?

    [ Parent ]
    Women (none / 0) (#188)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:38:24 PM EST
    aren't Obama's biggest problem.

    It is the older Dems.  Wave bye!  And pray those college kids remember next Fall when election day is.  :)

    [ Parent ]

    Class, more than race or gender (none / 0) (#214)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:50:37 PM EST
    decided early primaries, per a pollster.com analysis -- perhaps primaries since, too, since the analysis.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, we're just interchangeable body parts (5.00 / 5) (#70)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:06:51 PM EST
    as I noted on another thread about this.  It was an astonishingly stoopid discussion, but that's KO and the Boiz.

    I dated guys like this.  Once.  So as noted on the other thread, sing along with me: Mothers, don't let your daughters date MSNBC commentators.  The creeps.

    [ Parent ]

    As I said before, I think Hillary should just (5.00 / 2) (#151)
    by derridog on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:29:28 PM EST
    choose another black man as her VP.  That should work just as well, right?

    [ Parent ]
    Saw that, loved it, and how I wish (none / 0) (#159)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:32:05 PM EST
    I could send it from your magic typing fingers to their insensitive ears!

    [ Parent ]
    I'd love Harold Ford as running mate BUT (none / 0) (#233)
    by andrys on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:57:55 PM EST
    he's short of experience, alas.  SO sensible though and rational and totally natural, unlike most politicians...

    [ Parent ]
    Obama supporters often say (none / 0) (#77)
    by Josey on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:08:32 PM EST
    they want Obama to choose a woman VP to appease angry Hillary supporters.
    Crass and divisive remark!

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by chrisvee on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:11:41 PM EST
    That's a winning strategy, I'm sure.  MSNBC is striking out tonight (again).

    [ Parent ]
    like women are (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by bjorn on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:12:36 PM EST
    completely interchangeable, and women will support any woman????

    [ Parent ]
    As if that's why (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by pie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:22:16 PM EST
    I would vote for her.

    SHE'S THE MORE QUALIFIED CANDIDATE!!!

    Sorry for shouting.  :-)

    [ Parent ]

    Well that settles it (none / 0) (#112)
    by phat on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:16:49 PM EST
    He should pick Condoleeza Rice.

    [ Parent ]
    oh... (none / 0) (#224)
    by Oje on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:55:24 PM EST
    I can't wait to sign the American Progress / Eschaton / DailyKos / TPM media criticism petition for the unabashedly racist and sexist coverage of the Pennsylvania results!

    And, great capture of Obama network / blog punditry.

    [ Parent ]

    Tim is an a-hole. (none / 0) (#29)
    by Marco21 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:57:06 PM EST
    I stand by that. Not implying a thing.

    [ Parent ]
    I heard that and changed the channel (none / 0) (#33)
    by TalkRight on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:57:57 PM EST
    I wonder if he asks, AA is the one that are keep HIllary from closing the deal... if she was an AA she would not had a problem and would had closed the deal long time back..

    [ Parent ]
    Also (none / 0) (#63)
    by chrisvee on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:04:45 PM EST
    Russert says that if Clinton were a man, Obama would be the nominee already.

    I don't get how with these exit polls how it's too close to call.

    [ Parent ]

    Exit polls aren't turnout data (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by Cream City on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:08:36 PM EST
    and have to be adjusted when that hard data starts to come in . . . and exit polls will keep being adjusted as more data comes in . . . and that's why we went nuts, not knowing this, in 2000 when the exit polls were adjusted after the fact.

    They're always adjusted after the facts.:-)

    [ Parent ]

    Huh. (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Iphie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:14:28 PM EST
    Well that's an interesting thought from Russert -- I wonder if this means he thinks that if Obama were white that Hillary would be the nominee already. That he could say that after the Ferraro contretemps is just astonishing. Complete and total lack of self-awareness.

    [ Parent ]
    if Clinton were a man (none / 0) (#116)
    by kimsaw on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:17:39 PM EST
    Obama wouldn't stand a chance.

    [ Parent ]
    if Clinton were a man (none / 0) (#119)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:19:59 PM EST
    Obama would have waited eight years for his turn.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm SO glad I'm not watching this (none / 0) (#132)
    by nycstray on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:24:49 PM EST
    is it REALLY 2008 and this is all the farther we've come?

    [ Parent ]
    Ouch. (none / 0) (#193)
    by pie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:40:53 PM EST
    You're right, of course.

    [ Parent ]
    You hit that nail on the head (none / 0) (#206)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:46:12 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    That's because we white women are racists. (none / 0) (#147)
    by derridog on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:28:11 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Damn Us! (none / 0) (#135)
    by goldberry on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:24:58 PM EST
    Why won't we just go away and leave them to their own games?  

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah. Well I hope we can keep on doing that. (none / 0) (#143)
    by derridog on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:27:19 PM EST
    I live in NC.

    [ Parent ]
    They really shouldn't (none / 0) (#162)
    by leis on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:32:43 PM EST
    have given us the right to vote. Who would have believed we'd actually use it the way we see fit?

    [ Parent ]
    Those women voters (none / 0) (#154)
    by litigatormom on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:30:36 PM EST
    They are so loyal, so dedicated, there is nothing that can peel them away.

    I'm not sure whether I heard Tweety or Timmeh utter these words, with a tone of absolute disgust in his voice.

    [ Parent ]

    They noticed... (5.00 / 7) (#21)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:54:19 PM EST
    women, matter.  Imagine that.  

    that's just crazy talk (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:58:56 PM EST
    would someone please shoot Roland Martin?  Thank you.

    [ Parent ]
    Thanks for live blogging. (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:57:10 PM EST
    Can't watch. Obama supporting spouse sitting next to me on the couch watching basketball. We are pretending not to care. Shhhh.

    LOL* (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:59:17 PM EST
    Marcia......I think TOU should write about how this has affected your life personally.

    What a great story.

    Obama versus Clinton in a marriage.

    I love it.

    [ Parent ]

    We only had one fight about it... (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:02:05 PM EST
    ...it helps he's not a Clinton hater.

    [ Parent ]
    Ha...I'll only say that (none / 0) (#44)
    by Teresa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:59:52 PM EST
    personally, I divorced my Republican husband. :)

    I'd have to whop this one on the head but he loves Hillary.

    [ Parent ]

    My Republican Husband (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by honora on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:24:54 PM EST
    In Maryland, being a Republican during the primaries is no fun so my Republican husband (he really does have other redeeming traits) is registered as a Democrat.  He happily voted for Hillary in the primary.  He honestly believes that she is better. Now, in the general he will vote for McCain, but Hillary will not need his vote then.  So it may be better to have a Republican husband than a Democratic husband that likes Obama.

    [ Parent ]
    Look for (none / 0) (#153)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:30:23 PM EST
    Redbook articles about how the primary affected the sex lives of couples this year.  :)

    [ Parent ]
    Democrats... (none / 0) (#164)
    by white n az on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:33:37 PM EST
    have sex lives?

    Who knew?

    [ Parent ]

    remember when Coulter said (5.00 / 1) (#192)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:39:46 PM EST
    dems have joyless sex?  And all I could think was, "maybe when they have it with you, lady."

    Speaking of crazy things...blink-blink-blink...does CNN have a pie chart showing how close Clinton and Obama really are?

    [ Parent ]

    Dems (none / 0) (#197)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:43:47 PM EST
    have great sex lives even when they aren't married. Big Wink

    [ Parent ]
    Look for (none / 0) (#155)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:30:52 PM EST
    Redbook articles about how the primary affected the sex lives of couples this year.  :)

    [ Parent ]
    Rush Limbaugh... (none / 0) (#158)
    by white n az on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:32:03 PM EST
    would be oh so proud of him...

    [ Parent ]
    Me either- (none / 0) (#84)
    by magisterludi on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:09:40 PM EST
    Click and Clack from Car Talk are on PBS about cars of the future.


    [ Parent ]
    they're not (none / 0) (#122)
    by Nasarius on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:22:05 PM EST
    Covering the election? Because that would be worth watching.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes. I would love to hear Click and Clack's views (none / 0) (#172)
    by derridog on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:35:14 PM EST
    on the election. It would cheer us all up to laugh a little bit right now.

    [ Parent ]
    The CNN exits show Hillary a couple of points (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by andgarden on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:01:57 PM EST
    above 50%. This is closer than I expected.

    52-48 per CNN exits (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by DaveOinSF on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:02:15 PM EST
    CNN exits also had Rhode Island tied....FWIW

    Thank God BTD knows (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by bjorn on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:07:24 PM EST
    all the facts of previous calls. They need you on MSNBC for commentary.  

    i just calculated and posted that gender result (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Turkana on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:08:07 PM EST
    clinton by 51.6-47.8, which would not be good for her. but big grain of salt, as btd indicates.

    Did anyone (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by Iphie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:08:29 PM EST
    catch Donna Brazile on CNN awhile ago saying that she was still undecided? She sees no reason to get off the sidelines and make a choice at this point. She says that she's pretty sure in her heart of hearts, but is still conflicted.

    If this is what she's like when she's conflicted, imagine what she'll be like when she chooses a side.

    Hmmm... (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:11:26 PM EST
    CNN asking why he can't close the deal.

    I just saw that! (none / 0) (#102)
    by eleanora on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:14:17 PM EST
    If we get some actual fair commentary on this tonight, I'll be happy. Doesn't have to be HRC slanted, just even-handed.

    [ Parent ]
    I am getting the least (5.00 / 1) (#189)
    by rooge04 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:38:28 PM EST
    upset watching Fox.  It's BIZARRE. They're honestly talking about them BOTH fairly.  

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    I've never watched Fox (none / 0) (#196)
    by eleanora on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:43:21 PM EST
    in my life, but I'm desperate :)

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    exit polls are wrong (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by tnjen on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:14:41 PM EST
    These exit polls are way off.

    There's no way that 69% of the electorate is college educated.

    Well, yeah, it can be.. (none / 0) (#228)
    by FlaDemFem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:02:53 PM EST
    in PA there are lots of community colleges as well as private colleges and of course the state universities. If someone is asked if they are college educated and they have ever taken a single course in anything at any college or university, they can legitimately say yes, they are college educated. And after the "bitter and clinging" remarks, I am pretty sure than anyone in PA who has any claim on any sort of higher education is saying YES!! to that question. College-educated doesn't mean a degree to many people. It means some education at a college. And yes, lots of Pennsylvanians have that.

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    Sidebar. (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:16:29 PM EST
    I love CNN.com's Reggie Aqui and Melissa Long.  I hope they make the bigtimes.

    I just think my gay bias is making me love Reggie.

    I need results, in other news.

    How many think (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:20:00 PM EST
    They 're saying the race is too close to call just for ratings....

    KO doesn't even consider that Hillary (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by Teresa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:22:30 PM EST
    might be change, too?

    MSNBC had a discussion of what (5.00 / 2) (#146)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:28:02 PM EST
    Obama has to do to win over white women over 50.  They think another female VP selection (not Hillary) might do it.  Does anyone else find that really insulting?  How much of it is about her being a woman?  For me, you can't slot in Kathleen Sibelius and expect me to get excited.

    Ridiculous (none / 0) (#157)
    by stillife on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:31:39 PM EST
    We white women over 50 will not be appeased!

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    Unappeasable (5.00 / 1) (#211)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:49:07 PM EST
    Your post made me chuckle.

    Want to locate the group in America who cannot be spun?

    It's women in their 50's.

    We have sooooooooooo heard every line, had every guilt trip put on us, and it just won't work anymore.

    Suit up and show up, buddy...or kiss it goodbye.  

    grrrr

    LOL

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    Maybe they can rub up against (none / 0) (#161)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:32:39 PM EST
    the cell phone he keeps in his pocket?

    Did anyone see Newsweek quoted that?  There's no way they thought it'd be interpreted as a "Jesus, what a creep!" moment, but I had two different friends call me and independently say, "BLEH."

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    They'd better not even think about it. (none / 0) (#165)
    by Teresa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:33:41 PM EST
    A women VP to make up for Hillary would be the last slap to my face that I'll take.

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    holy crap (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:28:58 PM EST
    CNN nailing the Wright thing!  Wow, there's some real anger there.

    Brazile saying that about Hagee is just laughable.  And that, "we shouldn't look at who they're friends with crap"--gimme a break.

    MSNBC said late deciders went 60-40 for Hillary (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by ruffian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:32:54 PM EST
    but I don't remember if they said what % of total were late deciders

    17 percent... (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by Dawn Davenport on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:35:34 PM EST
    ...decided in the last 3 days; 83 percent before that.

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    that was CNN (none / 0) (#182)
    by Dawn Davenport on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:36:39 PM EST
    that I cited, btw.

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    Late deciders (none / 0) (#186)
    by cymro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:37:47 PM EST
    I think it was 17% in the last week, 10% today.

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    OK -- last 3 days, not the last week (none / 0) (#190)
    by cymro on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:38:59 PM EST


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    Late deciders 18% (none / 0) (#187)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:38:20 PM EST
    George Stephanopolous just told me late deciders were 18%.

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    Fox called for Hillary (5.00 / 1) (#200)
    by Salt on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:45:23 PM EST


    I'm here with a big bottle of wine... (none / 0) (#7)
    by lansing quaker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:51:03 PM EST
    ... ready for nothing but results!  Look forward to your commentary, BTD and Jeralyn! <3

    Ooh, good idea! (none / 0) (#81)
    by waldenpond on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:09:17 PM EST


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    Bourbon pours at 5:00 (none / 0) (#24)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:55:31 PM EST
    It is now 5 pm in Oregon, so the bourbon has been poured. Let the results begin.

    Bourbon? (none / 0) (#34)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:58:00 PM EST
    That's a Southern drink, girl.

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    Politics drink (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:00:05 PM EST
    I was raised up in central Illinois. The drink of democratic politicos in the childhood was always bourbon. So, I bring it out for all political events.

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    Bourbon (none / 0) (#65)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:05:09 PM EST
    That's interesting.  I have so enjoyed learning these little bits of information about various parts of the country.

    I was married to a guy from Gridley, Illinois.

    But....Bourbon was the drink of my parents who were raised in the mid-west and settled in Arkansas.

    (I can't even stand the smell, frankly.)

    I click my glass of Chardannay.......CA gal here......

    Here we go!

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    I started out drinking Scotch (none / 0) (#78)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:08:33 PM EST
    then got involved in state politics and was firmly told Scotch was a Republican drink, and Bourbon (being American-made) was the Dem. drink, so I switched.  Is that silly or what!

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    easier... (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by white n az on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:10:44 PM EST
    than changing political parties I would expect

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    Bourbon (none / 0) (#92)
    by AnninCA on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:11:35 PM EST
    Well, I'll be darned. My parents were most definitely Dems.

    I had no idea that their alcoholism was related to their politics.  LOL*

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    Works for me. Scotch tastes like medicine. (none / 0) (#98)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:12:55 PM EST


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    mmm... (none / 0) (#113)
    by Kathy on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:17:08 PM EST
    my dad used to make cough medicine for us using scotch and sugar.  

    We got sick a LOT.

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    Usually, my dad and my uncles (none / 0) (#86)
    by caseyOR on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:10:29 PM EST
    drank beer, and my mom and my aunts drank whiskey. As a kid I thought I would grow up to be a whiskey drinker 'cause I'm a girl. And so I did. Although a nice Oregon pinot is almost always appropriate.

    For my political drinking, however, I draw the line at cigars.

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    Xanax works better (none / 0) (#43)
    by Stellaaa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:59:46 PM EST
     

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