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CNN Faith Forum, Live Blog II

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:33:15 PM EST
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    Hehee. (5.00 / 5) (#3)
    by lilburro on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:41:13 PM EST
    Clinton has somehow turned this forum into an opportunity to be a policy wonk (global warming).  So great.

    I was just thinking that (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by andgarden on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:43:33 PM EST
    and thank, ahem, god. An hour of wedge issues would be really tedious.

    [ Parent ]
    I want... (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by Alec82 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:44:45 PM EST
    ...to hear a question like this:

     A large and growing population of the United States is nonreligious.  Do you believe that you can represent their values as president?

    She's even managed to make this (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by RalphB on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:47:37 PM EST
    a positive thing and kind of interesting.  I'm not one to care for religion but it wasn't bad.

    So they make her sit there (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:48:49 PM EST
    while he makes a big entrance?  That is just rude.

    Agreed. Then they go to a commercial (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Cream City on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:56:09 PM EST
    when they could have given her a sendoff, gone to a commercial, and then brought him out.  Who the heck is producing this, and so badly?  (Or in this case, perhaps purposefully?)

    [ Parent ]
    what? does she have to be there while it's (none / 0) (#25)
    by Andy08 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:52:58 PM EST
    Obama's turn? That's absurd...

    [ Parent ]
    Why is Campbell Brown qualified for this? (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:49:44 PM EST


    GREAT question (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:51:32 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    She aced CNN's WORM entrance exam? (none / 0) (#45)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:57:07 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Man (5.00 / 4) (#23)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:51:30 PM EST
    this is like kindergarten.  I mean, I'm glad Clinton got to speak and all, but I'm just not crazy about this whole topic.  Of course, I realize that I am about as religious as a box of hair, religion annoys me on my best day and I am just waiting for my Sunday Soft Porn show to start (The Tudors) but I just don't have the patience to listen to Obama's answers on these Very Important Softball Questions.

    I will say that I think she handled the End of Life question in a  sane way.  I am completely for the right to die, but I don't want it misused and I agree there should be steps, whether they are medical steps or legal steps, before you can pull the plug (but maybe that's because some folks in my family aren't that crazy about me).  I think the process has to be seen as legitimate before people will sign onto the legality of it.  I'm not the only one with greedy, crazy relatives out there.

    Obama can't help but to preach (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:53:26 PM EST


    Didn't offend anyone (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:54:08 PM EST
    so I guess she did fine.  Politicians have to step on so many eggshells on these topics that is all just seems like feel-good blather to me.  But I understand it is important to others.

    His explanation (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by lilburro on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:54:44 PM EST
    of his gaffe is completly ignoring his anti-immigrant and anti-trade and gun comments.  

    thank you! (none / 0) (#70)
    by angie on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:01:25 PM EST
    The bible says to cling to good things --  how is clinging to bigotry a "good thing."  And I notice that the hosts didn't call him on it. pfft.

    [ Parent ]
    clinging to guns and religion (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by kredwyn on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:54:52 PM EST
    invokes scripture? Which one?

    ooh we are trying to misconstrue his words... (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:55:01 PM EST
    ...thank goodness for WORM...nobody has done more to reach out to the church...will anyone ever get sick of this?

    Traditions passed down from generation (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by Practically Lactating on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:55:21 PM EST
    to generation. Like antipathy toward other people?

    Oh. And no one has done more to reach out to the church. The hyperbolometer is in the red.

    Ego, thy name is Obama. yuck :-) (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by RalphB on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:56:08 PM EST


    Did he really go "No one has done more (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by MarkL on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:56:53 PM EST
    .. " again???
    OMG!

    Yes, again. He has got to stop that (5.00 / 3) (#58)
    by Cream City on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:59:18 PM EST
    as it has become silly, with some of the "no one elses" in recent days.  Even some Obamans mocked it.

    [ Parent ]
    Well, no one has mocked Obama (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by MarkL on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:04:20 PM EST
    as much as I have.. but this is getting ridiculous!!

    [ Parent ]
    Let's see (5.00 / 2) (#149)
    by nell on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:20:46 PM EST
    No one has ever done more to speak out against anti-semimitism

    No one has ever done more to speak out for LGBT issues

    No one has ever done more YET AGAIN???

    Damn. THIS is called being a serial exaggerator.

    [ Parent ]

    My friends...no on has done more... (none / 0) (#139)
    by Fabian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:17:44 PM EST
    What's the Hillary part...?

    [ Parent ]
    And that includes Gov Keane? (none / 0) (#48)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:57:36 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    A phrase I could wait a long time (5.00 / 5) (#49)
    by Anne on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:57:40 PM EST
    before ever hearing again..."the notion that."

    I hope you all realize the sacrifice I am making watching this on CNN online...

    I wish someone would ask him what, exactly, he did in his chirch to help lift people up.

    Obama just kept the story going all week (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:58:25 PM EST
    Triple flip-flop maneuver and the Russian judge doesn't look happy.

    Now he wants to talk about (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by andgarden on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:58:37 PM EST
    the "moral dimension" to abortion.

    UGH. He is not giving me any reason to like him tonight.

    Once again (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by stillife on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:58:50 PM EST
    it's the fault of the pro-choicers for not acknowledging the moral dimension of abortion.

    That's cause we are mistaken and (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by kredwyn on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:11:25 PM EST
    don't respect the opinions of the opposition...except that respecting their opinions as their's and acquiescing to their demands are two entirely different things.

    [ Parent ]
    Moral component to abortion (5.00 / 3) (#56)
    by Anne on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:59:15 PM EST
    please don't tell me that pro-choice people don't "get that."

    Oh Jesus! (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by angie on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:59:17 PM EST
    he actually said again that pro-choicers ignore the moral consequences of abortion. D'oh.

    Oh, no he didn't! (5.00 / 7) (#59)
    by stillife on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:59:38 PM EST
    Focus on abstinence?!

    YES HE DID ABSTINENCE WTF (5.00 / 5) (#88)
    by Marvin42 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:05:34 PM EST
    What is this George Bush Part 3? Sorry about yelling, but I AM YELLING HERE....

    [ Parent ]
    yell away.... (5.00 / 3) (#141)
    by Fabian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:18:40 PM EST
    I'll second that.

    [ Parent ]
    teaching sacredness of sexuality?? (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by LoisInCo on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:59:47 PM EST


    SACREDNESS OF SEXUALITY??? (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:06:48 PM EST
    Okay, he's officially picked up right wing talking points.  That's rhetoric from those frightening chastity ceremonies.  I swear on all that is sacred to me, I read that same phrase in one of their fliers that a friend sent me as a joke (it was left on her car).  It was ALL about the sacredness of sexuality.

    And speaking of sexuality, does he mean gay sexuality, too?  Or just women's sexuality, and the fact that they should cherish their virginity because it is the only thing of value that they have?

    Good Christ, can you imagine what the formerly progressive blogs would do with this comment if they had their heads outta their creative classes?  This is absolutely outrageous and disgusting and amoral.

    And now I really must go watch naked people.

    [ Parent ]

    By, I'd hate to be that woman (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:59:56 PM EST
    the camera stopped on when he was talking about preventing unwanted pregnancies.

    The sacredness of sexuality? (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by lilburro on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:00:11 PM EST
    Interesting.  

    I hate his answers on abortion. (5.00 / 3) (#65)
    by Anne on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:00:25 PM EST
    And nothing he is saying is making me feel better about what he will do on this issue.

    an instrument of G*d's will? (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by kredwyn on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:00:37 PM EST
    ummmmmmmm....

    Last time I heard that, Pat Robertson was talking about the president during the 2004 elections.

    Can't make himself say (5.00 / 6) (#67)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:01:04 PM EST
    'woman's right to choose' can he?

    What is the point of saying (5.00 / 4) (#69)
    by andgarden on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:01:24 PM EST
    that anti-choicers should have the right to try and change the law?

    He's giving a similarly terrible answer to the "life begins" question.

    Did he (none / 0) (#227)
    by Just another person on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:51:02 PM EST
    actually say that? Really? I missed this question

    [ Parent ]
    Okay (5.00 / 7) (#71)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:01:32 PM EST
    he's worried about children being exposed to sexual situations.  I suppose he doesn't mean seeing  their preacher hump the podium on Sunday.  Oh, wait, he wasn't there.

    And I have been insulted again as not seeing abortion as a wrenching emotional issue, so it's time for the Tudos.  Boy, that was the heart wrenching decision: watch people f*cking or watch the guy who's f*cking us over.

    Heh, (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by RalphB on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:05:30 PM EST
    there's no hard choice there.  I've also exited the forum.

    [ Parent ]
    lol (none / 0) (#83)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:04:31 PM EST
    good point

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, he was there!!! (none / 0) (#220)
    by FlaDemFem on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:41:33 PM EST
    Check out the video of it and there is Obama, in the last two or so frames. He was there, he is on video being there.

    [ Parent ]
    Mandate living wills, but not healthcare (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:02:42 PM EST


    Ha! Campbell does a WORM (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:04:20 PM EST
    way to help him out there!!

    I am having an aneurysm (5.00 / 4) (#86)
    by Dr Molly on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:04:56 PM EST
    about the idea that he is focusing on abstinence education. please tell me he is not endorsing abstinence education. please.

    Is he saying that he's in favor (5.00 / 3) (#89)
    by andgarden on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:05:53 PM EST
    of abstinence education?

    That's what I heard (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by stillife on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:06:27 PM EST
    Unbelievable!

    [ Parent ]
    worse is that... (5.00 / 2) (#124)
    by Dawn Davenport on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:12:40 PM EST
    ...he sounds like he supports federal funding for religion-based abstinence programs.

    [ Parent ]
    I like him more (none / 0) (#98)
    by Marvin42 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:07:38 PM EST
    The less I know, honestly. Also doesn't know when life begins? Great, so you can make good decisions then.

    [ Parent ]
    I thought he was going to say re HIV in Africa... (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:06:39 PM EST
    ...an area in which he thought Bill Clinton did a good job. LOL.

    End of life answers (5.00 / 4) (#95)
    by Anne on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:06:55 PM EST
    were really bad - nothing but mush.  I am so glad he thinks the dying should get pain relief - is there any doubt they would?

    It's like he's afraid to really say what he thinks - but maybe he doesn't know until he checks with Hillary.

    Obama's new motto: (5.00 / 6) (#107)
    by Anne on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:09:43 PM EST
    "Don't Parse Me, Bro!"

    Awesome (none / 0) (#111)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:10:40 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Ha Ha, but wormng is okay. (none / 0) (#115)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:11:10 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    He is not being effective (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by MichaelGale on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:10:43 PM EST
    he can't get his mind working to give any thought out answers.  Nothing is direct or even a cognitive flow. grrrrrr

    Tired? Poor baby.

    on abortion (5.00 / 5) (#117)
    by marirebel on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:11:18 PM EST
    I am offended by Obama's understanding that a woman may choose abortion after consulting "with her pastor," who is most often a man.  Again, we are asked to give  control of our bodies to the man.  And, what if the woman is not religious?  I am not convinced that women's right to choose will be well protected with Obama . . .in fact, I am now convinced otherwise!

    Where is Monty Python when you need them (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:13:44 PM EST
    This reminds me of the skits about the Spanish Inquisition.  Are we a first world country?  WTF if going on.  This makes my stomach turn.  

    How can you have a religion forum with the (5.00 / 2) (#132)
    by Teresa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:14:30 PM EST
    most famous man/religion event in years and not ask about it?

    good pt (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by TheRefugee on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:19:33 PM EST
    I hadn't even thought about that but that would have been an interesting question...so faith has shaped your life so did your pastor help shape your belief in the bitterness of small town dwellers?  Did he teach you to be pro-choice only if you also understood the "moral dilemma"?  Is the reason Bush did a good job on AIDS in Africa because your preacher taught you that Bill Clinton couldn't have done a good job because he got a blow job?

    [ Parent ]
    Who would that be? (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:19:44 PM EST
    I remember when we couldn't mention Mr. Wright on this forum.  But he's old news now right?  The media tells me this and it will never come up again.  I mean look, the media dropped it!  He's safe for the general election now.  They will never just put it on the backburner until they can really hit him with it when it counts or anything... nope sireeee.

    [ Parent ]
    Sorry.... (5.00 / 3) (#135)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:16:06 PM EST
    He is not in Hillary's league.  

    I disagree (none / 0) (#155)
    by TheRefugee on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:21:38 PM EST
    with that whole statement except the part where you say that "he isn't in Hillary's league"

    But he does have a league of his own---it is just a lesser league of backslapping sycophants telling each other how much smarter they are than the rest of the world.

    [ Parent ]

    I wish someone would tell Obama (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by Anne on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:16:58 PM EST
    that the word is pronounced "to" and not "tuh;" for some reason, that just grates on my ears.

    I know...picky, picky.

    OMIDGOD Anne, yes, yes, yes.... (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:20:49 PM EST
    ..This drives me crazier than anything. I'm glad someone else feels this way.

    [ Parent ]
    I hear you (none / 0) (#148)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:20:23 PM EST
    Bush does it too, and it drives me nuts.

    [ Parent ]
    His discomfort should be a clue (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:19:24 PM EST
    Unity is not easy.  Duh.  

    I think... (5.00 / 3) (#152)
    by Alec82 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:20:55 PM EST
    ...asking a question like "who seems most sincere in their faith" is unseemly.  That is precisely the reason this entire event seems inappropriate.

    But that's entirely THE reason for the forum (none / 0) (#175)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:25:48 PM EST
    This show on CNN has no purpose if not to allow voters the opportunity to judge these candidates precisely on their answers to faith issues.

    So I don't think it's out of bounds for TL to put up this poll since that's the whole point of watching the CNN event.

    It is sickening that politicians are put to yet another religious test, but oh well...  our Democratic "leaders" have shown very little backbone when it comes to pushing back against these media frames and being boxed in as "godless" liberals by right wing and/or MSM media.

    [ Parent ]

    This whole process is kinda dumb (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by Lil on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:21:35 PM EST
    Let's get to the 16th and debate.

    He makes his religion sound like... (5.00 / 2) (#159)
    by Dawn Davenport on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:22:19 PM EST
    ...a career opportunity rather than a leap of faith.

    Well...Wright demoted to just his pastor (5.00 / 1) (#160)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:22:20 PM EST


    He's not a spiritual advisor (none / 0) (#167)
    by stillife on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:23:44 PM EST
    or mentor - just the pastor.  Just a guy whose church Obama attended for 20 years.  It's not like Obama bought into his ideas or anything.

    [ Parent ]
    Oh man (5.00 / 2) (#163)
    by stillife on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:22:47 PM EST
    totally in the tank for Obama.  Who are these people?

    what do you think ? (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by delacarpa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:22:54 PM EST
    It seems that CNN was going for a break for Clinton to get off the stage and Obama rushed out while Hillary was on stage. Very telling to me and so what do you think?

    No (none / 0) (#168)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:24:12 PM EST
    They specifically asked Clinton to stay on the stage while Obama came out.

    [ Parent ]
    Catholic school for urchins (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:24:30 PM EST


    Did they get to plant the guest questioners? (5.00 / 1) (#186)
    by ruffian on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:29:44 PM EST
    Seems like Wallis teed this one up for him.

    Where is the eloquence? Am I that tone deaf? (5.00 / 2) (#199)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:34:56 PM EST


    he's the great communicator (5.00 / 2) (#210)
    by DandyTIger on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:38:57 PM EST
    what do you mean you can't tell that. Are you saying the emperor has no clothes. Next thing you'll be saying he's just like Reagan and is an empty suit. Snark.

    [ Parent ]
    So much clapping. (5.00 / 2) (#201)
    by lilburro on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:35:23 PM EST
    Ridiculous.  And also, supporting faith-based initiatives is a big no no in my book.  It was one of the first things I disliked about GW Bush.

    And now he throws Democrats under (5.00 / 3) (#205)
    by Anne on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:36:34 PM EST
    the bus - man it's getting crowded under there...

    we're riding a pony (none / 0) (#213)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:39:23 PM EST
    the unity pony can hop over the little people who get in the way, unlike a bus.

    [ Parent ]
    Attacking Democrats (5.00 / 3) (#208)
    by lilburro on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:37:25 PM EST
    for saying separation of church and state is somehow wrong.  Why does he have to take us down a peg everytime he wants to make a point?

    A "false debate" (none / 0) (#216)
    by Practically Lactating on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:40:04 PM EST
    I think is what he called it.

    [ Parent ]
    Boooriiiiiiing (5.00 / 1) (#214)
    by GOPmurderedconscience on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:39:54 PM EST
    That's my final word.

    I did not watch, but it sounded (5.00 / 1) (#218)
    by MarkL on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:41:08 PM EST
    incredibly silly to me.

    Wow... (4.66 / 3) (#126)
    by Alec82 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:12:44 PM EST
    ...are we watching the same forum? because his answers seem fine to me.  

     

    It's striking that there's a "trolling is not (3.00 / 2) (#226)
    by jibal on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:49:52 PM EST
    tolerated here" message here, and yet the great majority of comments here are inflammatory one-line snipes at a man who has at least (and of course more) than 50% chance of being the Democratic nominee. It's tragic that identity politics has produced this sort of result, and will be even more tragic if it leads to John McCain winning in November. I myself have been committed to voting for the Democratic candidate, whoever it is, since ... well, since 2000, and for decades before that when I voted for Bill Clinton twice, and for decades before that when I recognized the disastrous consequences resulting from a Republican occupying the WH, and yet never foresaw during the Nixon years that we could get so much worse with Reagan, or during the Reagan years that we could get so much worse with GWB. And John McCain would be a continuation of that disaster, which becomes worse and worse as time goes on.

    [ Parent ]
    Its alright (4.33 / 6) (#100)
    by TheRefugee on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:08:12 PM EST
    I can see that Obama is a moron even his supporters can't.  They can have him cuz I don't want him. Uh...because I want a president...uh...who can take a stand...uh.uh..on an issue...uh..any issue.

    haha (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by TheRefugee on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:11:24 PM EST
    he sucks when asked questions...jehesus k-ristomas I didn't understand a single thing about the aids question..good lord he juked left, juked right, faked a spin, then did the spin and as he dove for the goal line I thought?  How the hell did he get to the goal line again?

    [ Parent ]
    You'd get a straight answer (none / 0) (#161)
    by RalphB on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:22:36 PM EST
    from him with a taser I'll bet.  :-)   Otherwise, forget it.

    [ Parent ]
    I don't think (3.66 / 3) (#80)
    by rooge04 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:04:14 PM EST
    I've ever seen such clear arrogance from a politician even.  Unbelievable. I think Obama is taking large gulps from his own Kool Aid.

    He compliments Bush, Reagan.... (3.66 / 3) (#97)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:07:31 PM EST
    anyone ever hear Obama compliment Bill Clinton for anything?

    I am truly digusted at this continuing pattern from him.

    ah he finally did it (none / 0) (#105)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:08:59 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I don't think I can take this his voice is (3.66 / 3) (#99)
    by gish720 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:07:54 PM EST
    droning on and on--I would rather go watch a movie or something...this is as dull as ditch water to me.

    OMG (3.66 / 3) (#127)
    by andgarden on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:13:39 PM EST
    did he just joke that God plans for him to be in the WH???

    He did indeed (5.00 / 2) (#133)
    by stillife on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:14:50 PM EST
    and he looks forward to their collaboration.


    [ Parent ]
    OMG, the arrogance! (3.66 / 3) (#131)
    by stillife on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:14:03 PM EST
    Should it be God's plan to have me in the White House, I look forward to our collaboration.

    He's Bush III.

    These are not the kind of 3am (3.66 / 3) (#140)
    by Practically Lactating on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:18:38 PM EST
    phone calls I had in mind. Yeesh.

    [ Parent ]
    The collaboration he was referring to (1.00 / 1) (#184)
    by jibal on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:28:48 PM EST
    was with the man in the audience he was talking with, not with God. And "should it be God's plan" was just a jokey way to say "if I'm elected" (since presumably that result would be consistent with God's plan, just as Clinton implied the same about herself). Thus, no arrogance and no Bush III, except in the eyes of those committed to finding it.

    [ Parent ]
    He's so boring (3.66 / 3) (#200)
    by stillife on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:34:58 PM EST
    for a charismatic candidate.  

    They both were a little (none / 0) (#202)
    by Lil on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:36:14 PM EST
    I think it is the topic.

    [ Parent ]
    yeah but he apparently (none / 0) (#222)
    by TheRefugee on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:43:05 PM EST
    got Casey to turn out Casey voters to fill the audience.

    [ Parent ]
    Ok, now he says he was "misconstrued" (3.00 / 2) (#31)
    by andgarden on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:54:39 PM EST
    and then goes into his own biography.

    I HATE this answer, especially because I know what his "reaching out to the church" has looked like.

    His followers will love it though. (none / 0) (#53)
    by Teresa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:58:31 PM EST
    He should have just apologized.

    [ Parent ]
    Obviously the crowd is not from Messiah college... (3.00 / 2) (#130)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:14:01 PM EST
    ...he must have ringers in there cause evangelicals no way would have applauded that answer. Oh god, he just said he would collaborate with creationists? Scientists are going to have a hissy fit about that.

    here's your scientist hissy fit, right on cue (5.00 / 2) (#194)
    by Dr Molly on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:33:07 PM EST
    HE SAID WHAT????????????

    CREATIONISTS???

    I'M GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER ANEURYSM.

    [ Parent ]

    Ugh (none / 0) (#219)
    by nell on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:41:08 PM EST
    Creationism = bad. McClurkin = bad. Not everyone belongs at the table.

    And I just text messaged my once neutral partner who is now drinking the kool-aid (he believes only in science, no god) how he feels about Obama bringing creationists to the table. This should be good, I am excited to see my partner WORM Obama out of this one...

    [ Parent ]

    Nonstop media manipulation for Obama (3.00 / 2) (#191)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:31:09 PM EST
    this is reminding me of the lead up to the Iraq War on FOX News.  Every opportunity to advance an agenda was taken advantage of... not a broadcast or pundit panel or interview or caption went to waste to seek their goals.

    I can't imagine (none / 0) (#211)
    by Lil on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:39:02 PM EST
    very many people are still watching this. Taking a nap, while it is on maybe. Not sure it is to Obama's advantage tp be putting people to sleep, but you are so right about the questions advancing an agenda.

    [ Parent ]
    Hmm (3.00 / 2) (#215)
    by lilburro on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:40:00 PM EST
    didn't ask Obama about evil or whether God wanted him to be President..instead he got softballs about torture.  
    When time is limited for this kind of thing such disparities are important.  And it's happened over and over.
    Ugh.

    If he says aaaannnddd one more time... (1.00 / 1) (#180)
    by gish720 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:26:45 PM EST


    Nice, save the poverty question for Obama. (1.00 / 1) (#183)
    by Teresa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:27:43 PM EST


    Yes because they want to send a message to.... (5.00 / 2) (#187)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:29:45 PM EST
    ...John Edwards.

    [ Parent ]
    I think (none / 0) (#185)
    by LoisInCo on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:29:38 PM EST
    Hillary gave longer answers and got fewer questions actually.

    [ Parent ]
    I expect Obama to be much more (none / 0) (#1)
    by Teresa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:40:01 PM EST
    interesting if the moderators participate as they should.

    because he's so adept at putting his foot in it (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:44:33 PM EST
    when he's not in a scripted format.

    [ Parent ]
    why? (none / 0) (#4)
    by bjorn on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:41:23 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Because there are many questions on faith (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by Teresa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:44:41 PM EST
    that they could ask him. Rev. Wright for one and clinging to religion from bitterness for two. If CNN ignores these issues in this forum, they are selling out.

    [ Parent ]
    got it, thanks (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by bjorn on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:45:21 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    But but.. (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Andy08 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:51:17 PM EST
    haven't they already sold out?

    [ Parent ]
    She is being very careful (none / 0) (#2)
    by bjorn on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:40:36 PM EST
    to compliment all religions, Jewish, Catholic, in very specific ways.

    I don't think it's difficult (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by stillife on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:42:07 PM EST
    for her to do that.  I fully believe that she has plenty of Jewish friends, for instance.  She's a Big Tent Christian!

    [ Parent ]
    Obama just said he said it was "a faith" (none / 0) (#32)
    by Cream City on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:54:41 PM EST
    that he was talking about in his infamous comments, that "a faith" was important in people's lives, etc.  Anyone else catch that?  Uh, only one faith?

    [ Parent ]
    These questions are crazy (none / 0) (#10)
    by lilburro on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:45:03 PM EST
    completely crazy.

    Actually audience (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by lilburro on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:45:39 PM EST
    questions are okay.  But Campbell and Meacham are nuts.

    [ Parent ]
    For the love of (none / 0) (#13)
    by Practically Lactating on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:47:22 PM EST
    oh nevermind. Yes, some insane and inane questions, but I think Hillary has handled it with aplomb.

    [ Parent ]
    Who is sponsoring this and why? (none / 0) (#14)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:47:30 PM EST


    Easy stomach...he gets to come out like... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:48:48 PM EST
    a rock star? Did Hillary walk out through the crowd?

    Weird that in Clinton County, Obama gets a (none / 0) (#19)
    by Teresa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:50:29 PM EST
    bigger welcome.

    It's a college.... (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:51:29 PM EST
    ..albeit a Catholic one.

    [ Parent ]
    Did CNN pick the crowd? (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:54:46 PM EST
    just saying, we know this question is on the minds of not just me.

    [ Parent ]
    Clinton CountRy, I mean. (none / 0) (#21)
    by Teresa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:51:26 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Did CNN pick the crowd? (none / 0) (#36)
    by diplomatic on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:54:54 PM EST
    just saying... we know this question is on the minds of not just me.

    [ Parent ]
    I may have to bag this.... (none / 0) (#26)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:52:59 PM EST
    ...I can no longer stand this man. And this crowd is going to eat up everything he says.

    Thank you Bible google (none / 0) (#28)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:53:27 PM EST
    "clinging" is a word from the scripture.

    So is "liar."

    Way to rephrase Obama. It's all good now. (none / 0) (#29)
    by Teresa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:53:47 PM EST


    Yeah, BTD, what happened to the apology. (none / 0) (#37)
    by Teresa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:54:57 PM EST
    Sounds like revised justification to me.

    Terrible and damaging answer (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by andgarden on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:56:26 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    His apologies, at least some of the four (none / 0) (#51)
    by Cream City on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:58:20 PM EST
    count 'em four yesterday, have made it worse.  I haven't seen any media move on to those yet, so they'll probably move right past them . . . but the Repubs won't.  I could just see some of those self-justifications aka so-called apologies in ads.  Ugh.

    [ Parent ]
    No one else (none / 0) (#40)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:55:29 PM EST
    but him has spoken about religion...."ahhhhh"

    No one else but him (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:57:33 PM EST
    has done a lot of things.

    Except maybe McGovern.

    I'm going to force myself to listen to him through his abortion response (ooooh...let's see where he stands tonight!) and then I am so going to watch the Tudors.

    [ Parent ]