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Hillary Wins Ohio

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:55:37 PM EST
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CNN projects Ohio for Hillary!

Hillary's on her way to speak to supporters, the networks will cover it.

Update: Hillary is jubilant. Live blogging her victory speech here and looks fabulous in pink. The song playing: Bruce Springsteen's "The Rising." She's smiling from ear to ear. "As Ohio goes, so does the nation."

"This nations coming back and so is this campaign."

"No one has won the White House in recent memory without winning the Ohio primary."

She lists all the states she has won. "Americans don't deserve more speeches, they deserve solutions and they deserve them now."

"We're ready for health care for every American." She does the 3 am call... "there's no time for speeches or on the job training." She looks forward to debating John McCain.

The crowd chants "Yes, We Will." She thanks Ohio. She thanks Gov. Strickland and Stephanie Tubbs. Then she praises Obama.

She reads an email from a poor supporter with 2 daughters. "Keep on watching, we're going to make history." "We will protect our country and our Constitution."

"We will turn hope into reality." Great speech, great delivery. I think she knows she's going to win the popular vote in Texas.

End of speech. [More...]

(BTD) CNN's current breakout of the delegates in Ohio has Hillary up 25-12.

(BTD) NBC, Tweety and Punchline going nuts, spittling and enraged. Hilarious!! Still demanding Hillary drop out. Never seen anything like it. No, NBC is not biased. Not at all. Ha!

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    WooHoo!!! (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by Josey on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:58:13 PM EST


    Congrats! (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by chrisvee on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:58:14 PM EST
    Congratulations to Senator Clinton!  She must stay in until PA so that I get my chance to vote for her.

    Well, I live in NC and I'd just as soon PA would (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by derridog on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:00:18 PM EST
    wrap it up. This is way too nervewracking.

    [ Parent ]
    Delegates, delegates. . . (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:58:30 PM EST
    who's got the delegate counts?

    I know -- too early.

    Doesn't Matter Tonight (5.00 / 5) (#13)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:02:17 PM EST
    She needed Ohio, tonight is her's.

    [ Parent ]
    She needs delegates. (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:06:31 PM EST
    She needs to cut into Obama's delegate lead tonight to have a complete victory.

    Looks like a big popular vote lead in Ohio (although Kos writes that Obama is leading in delegates -- I can't see that happening if the spread is really 15%).  And looks like she may take the popular vote in Texas, although she still needs to deal with the caucuses.

    She really, really wants to eat into Obama's delegate lead.

    [ Parent ]

    Larry, she just needs to prove that she (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:08:55 PM EST
    is a winner, where it counts. She is doing that.

    [ Parent ]
    She can win the big ones needed for (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Salt on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:13:57 PM EST
    Nov ......yeah go Hillary go Dems...

    [ Parent ]
    Well she still needs (none / 0) (#53)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:11:07 PM EST
    to come up with a way to argue that the pledged delegate count and popular votes don't matter assuming something something crazy doesn't happen.

    [ Parent ]
    Let's see what happens (none / 0) (#58)
    by Marvin42 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:12:51 PM EST
    We'll see, we'll see.....hehehehehehehehehe.....

    [ Parent ]
    There isn't much to see (none / 0) (#75)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:17:12 PM EST
    If she isn't leading in popular votes or pledged delegates in June she won't get the nomination.  It is as simple as that.

    [ Parent ]
    FL and MI (none / 0) (#100)
    by Manuel on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:22:26 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Keep believing that (none / 0) (#148)
    by Marvin42 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:33:11 PM EST
    Really.

    [ Parent ]
    When all the votes are counted that should be no (none / 0) (#151)
    by Salt on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:33:53 PM EST
    problem...Mich and Fla II

    [ Parent ]
    They can't be counted (none / 0) (#163)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:35:42 PM EST
    until the convention.

    With both states counted Obama still has a lead in both popular and pledge votes.  

    The DNC will not allow this to go to the convention.  They can't.

    [ Parent ]

    It's the win (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by vigkat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:12:10 PM EST
    The shift in the momentum.  It's critical in terms of perception and credibility.  It has a shelf life, but it buys time and space in which to maneuver.

    [ Parent ]
    I agree (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:15:14 PM EST
    it's the win.  Explaining to folks that you actually really did "win" even though you didn't actually "win" is a cumbersome prospect.

    For instance, technically, Obama "won" Nevada, but it played that Clinton "won."

    [ Parent ]

    FL and MI (none / 0) (#76)
    by bigbay on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:17:17 PM EST
    they can now argue for inclusion, or re-vote of those states, without seeming petty. And it will happen.

    [ Parent ]
    Why (none / 0) (#92)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:20:55 PM EST
    how does this change that in any way?

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, delegates count, but, right now, Big Mo (5.00 / 3) (#82)
    by jawbone on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:19:14 PM EST
    is in the house!

    You know what they say, "As Ohio goes, so goes the nation."

    We're going on, we're going strong, and we're going all the way!

    [ Parent ]

    Yes, she needs delegates (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by litigatormom on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:22:52 PM EST
    But she needed this first.  Let her enjoy it.

    The woman is tough. She doesn't give up. I really really admire that.

    [ Parent ]

    No she doesn't (none / 0) (#35)
    by Marvin42 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:07:24 PM EST
    Watch the news, read the papers tomorrow, watch the story turn.

    [ Parent ]
    No story. (none / 0) (#72)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:16:05 PM EST
    It's too late for a story.

    If she wants the nomination she needs to start cutting into Obama's delegate and popular vote leads.  She has to close that gap.  Maybe she'll wind up behind, but less far than at present.  But a series of victories in which she falls further behind is not going to help her attract the superdelegate support she would need at the convention.

    [ Parent ]

    Especially when you consider (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:19:28 PM EST
    that most of the remaining states are likely to go Obama's way save PA, IN, and perhaps OR.

    The next 2 primaries are Wy and MS.  Then a month and a half until the next primary in PA.  45 days of having only delegate counts and vote counts to talk about.

    [ Parent ]

    Uh (none / 0) (#117)
    by Shawn on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:24:34 PM EST
    You consider West Virginia and Kentucky likely Obama states?

    [ Parent ]
    Fair enough (none / 0) (#132)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:28:06 PM EST
    Actually I think WV is but Kentucky probably isn't.

    [ Parent ]
    Seriously? (none / 0) (#139)
    by Shawn on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:30:35 PM EST
    West Virginia is Ohio without the black people, young people and yuppies.

    [ Parent ]
    I think (none / 0) (#156)
    by Boston Boomer on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:34:48 PM EST
    There may be some talk about the momentum shift.  The press has begun to turn on Obama.  And of course there will be the Rezko trial to watch.


    [ Parent ]
    Respectfully disagree (none / 0) (#162)
    by Marvin42 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:35:35 PM EST
    I think the story is the entire thing, no matter how many time the delegate count is brought up by Obama supporters. Now, I think Obama still has the better story and chance, but not because of the delegate numbers. Rather because he started as an unknown and has outrun and outshined (so far) the established candidate.

    Let's see if it stays that way.

    Also, may I suggest that on a night that is a win for Hillary supporters you can be a little more gracious. No harm.

    [ Parent ]

    No photo of HRC? (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:06:07 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Anyone dared (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Practically Lactating on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:58:47 PM EST
    tune to MSNBC?  I'm curious but not quite ready to brave it.

    See below -- I surfed over (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:00:45 PM EST
    and nearly lost my dinner within minutes, with Andrea Mitchell spinning the Ohio win into doom and gloom about the delegate count.

    [ Parent ]
    This was rich (5.00 / 6) (#22)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:04:34 PM EST
    KO said (slight paraphrasing: Well, Hillary wins Ohio, but if later tonight Barack wins Texas, doesn't that mean the momentum switches back to him?

    And Tweety said, "That's a great point!"

    I am not kidding.

    [ Parent ]

    Ugh. (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Iphie on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:09:47 PM EST
    I can't take it. Thanks for watching MSNBC so I don't have to. Clearly, I very much want Hillary to win TX, but now to add to my reasons why, I'm hoping that her wins tonight will make him rethink the wisdom of his comments to McCain tonight. I hope some reporter rubs his nose in it tomorrow.

    [ Parent ]
    CNN (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by rooge04 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:10:35 PM EST
    is no better. They've got the Obama pundit saying that HRC will lose texas and Bill said she should get out of the race. Pathetic.

    [ Parent ]
    Yeh, and another fool on CNN (none / 0) (#61)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:13:27 PM EST
    just said her win in Ohio could prove to be a Pyrrhic victory. At which point I hit mute.

    [ Parent ]
    I noticed KO's cringe factor (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:10:38 PM EST
    long before I decided I couldn't stand him.  

    He really isn't all that bright when he speaks off the cuff.

    [ Parent ]

    I was laughing my ass off at that (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by litigatormom on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:25:34 PM EST
    Plus this one, from my ex-boyfriend, Keith Olbermann:

    "She wins Ohio, but what will make her realize she has to put the Party first?  The Clintons are so ambitious and entitled, what will make them stop."

    Thank goodness MSNBC isn't biased.  ;-p

    [ Parent ]

    KO, I ask you: You win ratings (none / 0) (#137)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:30:12 PM EST
    but what will make you realize you have to put journalistic objectivity first? You are so ambitious and entitled, what will make you stop?

    [ Parent ]
    Yes (none / 0) (#154)
    by chrisvee on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:34:00 PM EST
    Yes, how dare she keep running despite the fact that  the race is only separated by the smallest margin of delegates, FL & MI are waiting in the wings to have their votes counted, and people keep voting for her?  For shame!  Put that scarlet A on her -- for Ambitious.

    This garbage is what passes for political commentary on MSNBC.  Geez.

    [ Parent ]

    HRC on the way to the hall and mic now (nt) (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:59:49 PM EST
    And Andrea says, even though HRC can't win, she's behind in the delegate count, blah blah. Back to CNN. . . .

    Pretty much what I expected, (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by Practically Lactating on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:04:12 PM EST
    but was there a small piece of crow catching in her throat as she eked out that analysis?  That's what I am interested in seeing.

    [ Parent ]
    heh (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by Turkana on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:00:03 PM EST
    markos announces it, and also has to point out that obama's ahead, 32-28, in the current delegate count. with 141 still to be allocated...

    Is Markos still saying (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Shawn on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:03:32 PM EST
    that Obama will carry Texas by double-digits?

    [ Parent ]
    dunno (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Turkana on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:05:24 PM EST
    that was his prediction, this morning, though.

    [ Parent ]
    That was his prediction this morning? (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:10:18 PM EST
    Truly?  How could I have a better grasp of Texas than Markos?  He had em and smoked em early ;)

    [ Parent ]
    they're so sad (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by Nasarius on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:07:11 PM EST
    Over at Big Orange. It's pretty funny.


    I'm hitting the mute button when she makes her victory speech.


    I can't stomach her condescending speeches. I don't enjoy being talked AT.

    And for 20+ recs...


    Ohio fails us again.


    [ Parent ]
    They like to be orated AT ;) (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:10:55 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    And here I was thinking, Thank God for Ohio. (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:13:33 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    So will (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by rooge04 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:22:23 PM EST
    that site implode if HRC wins? LOL. They have made themselves utterly irrelevant. I started going there in 2004 and will never give them one site click ever again.

    [ Parent ]
    So will (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by rooge04 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:23:10 PM EST
    that site implode if HRC wins? LOL. They have made themselves utterly irrelevant. I started going there in 2004 and will never give them one site click ever again.

    [ Parent ]
    Congratulations to Hillary Clinton (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:00:35 PM EST
    a very big win for her.

    Still a very uphill battle for her but this is a great win for her.

    Woo-hoooo!!! (5.00 / 5) (#11)
    by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:01:04 PM EST
    I am trying hard not to gloat too much because I know how bad it felt when Obama supporters did it (and did it, and did it) but this feels really, really good.  Yay, Hillary!  We might have stumbled, but you never did!

    Kathy, you have every right to say (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:03:45 PM EST
    "woo-hoooo" at least 11 times - one for every state in Obama's 'winning streak'.

    [ Parent ]
    12, counting Vermont (none / 0) (#39)
    by Bob In Pacifica on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:08:10 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    True. We'll give you Vermont, if we can have (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by derridog on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:11:01 PM EST
    California, New York, New Jersey, Ohio, Texas, Florida and Michigan et. al.

    [ Parent ]
    12 indeed (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by white n az on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:13:41 PM EST
    but now a 3 state losing streak.

    you can feel better because the next 2 states that are in the offing are those great democratic bastions of Wyoming and Mississippi.

    [ Parent ]

    3? (none / 0) (#118)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:24:58 PM EST
    How you get 3?

    [ Parent ]
    easy (none / 0) (#130)
    by white n az on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:27:48 PM EST
    Rhode Island
    Ohio
    Texas

    [ Parent ]
    Clinton ahead with 50% in TX (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:02:00 PM EST
    to Obama's 48%, a third of the precincts reporting. And Tweety says super-delegates are the end of democracy as we know it, not just suppressing our vote but ignoring it. Bleh.

    when did Tweety (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:02:42 PM EST
    become a member of the democratic party?

    [ Parent ]
    Who knew (none / 0) (#37)
    by Practically Lactating on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:07:53 PM EST
    his corporate monopolistic handlers were so in love with democracy and "the people"?

    [ Parent ]
    When did he start caring about the end (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:12:25 PM EST
    of democracy as we know it?

    [ Parent ]
    believe it or not (none / 0) (#71)
    by white n az on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:15:46 PM EST
    Chris Matthews worked for Jimmy Carter (I'm pretty sure anyway - not gonna bother to look it up).

    His brother however is staunch Republican in Pennsylvania...I think he was Lt. Gov. running mate with Lynn Swann who lost to Rendell in 2006.

    My Pennsylvania politics is not knowledgeable though...

    [ Parent ]

    Tweety was trying every which way from Sunday (none / 0) (#119)
    by jawbone on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:25:01 PM EST
    to create a gruesome ending for this primary and the Democratic Party. Tear it apart! Run it into the ground! The Clintons think it's their party! Somebody stop her!

    Before she kills again or something. Give it a rest, Tweets.

    [ Parent ]

    Earlier someone tweaked Tweety (none / 0) (#133)
    by litigatormom on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:28:30 PM EST
    for being a former Democrat -- "after all, you worked for Tip O'Neal."  Tweety looked as horrified as if someone had announced on the air that he was suffering from leprosy.

    [ Parent ]
    CDS (none / 0) (#159)
    by white n az on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:35:16 PM EST
    Chris Matthews embodies all that is known as CDS - it's his trademark...he lives, breathes it.

    [ Parent ]
    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by chrisvee on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:06:00 PM EST
    If the Bush Admin hasn't ended democracy as we know it in this country, I doubt a few superdelegates will.  Tweety needs to extract his head from his butt.

    [ Parent ]
    I wonder about the rumors (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:02:41 PM EST
    about Obama announcing his fundraising tomorrow as well as a bunch new superdelegates.  

    Yeah! (5.00 / 5) (#16)
    by trishb on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:03:18 PM EST
    And I voted for her today.  As did my mom, dad, sister, and roommate.  Whoo!

    Okay, so there's no reasoned commentary in this post.

    Congratulations to Hillary (5.00 / 5) (#17)
    by AF on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:03:20 PM EST
    and her supporters.  

    Thanks AF (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by blogtopus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:23:19 PM EST
    I posted a thanks earlier but it didn't come through for some reason. Comments like yours (and FlyerHawk's) give me hope that the Democratic Party is not as doomed as some might think. No matter who wins, I think we'll all rally.

    [ Parent ]
    Thank you (none / 0) (#65)
    by sumac on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:14:26 PM EST
    I know I appreciate it. And I will say that all of the Obama voters at the caucus tonight were polite and the experience was far from unpleasant.

    [ Parent ]
    I am so proud of Hillary right now (5.00 / 7) (#23)
    by A little night musing on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:04:54 PM EST
    I read this today while riding home on the subway:

    "Every time I am going to walk away from her candidacy, I think, she has absorbed more hate than anyone I can think of over the past twenty years, and she hasn't cracked under it. That's a kind of iron fortitude that maybe we need in the President of the United States."

    (Sara Paretsky interview in The Progressive, March 2008)

    Paretsky (5.00 / 5) (#30)
    by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:06:21 PM EST
    a great writer; a great feminist.

    I don't care how the talking heads are spinning this.  It FEELS like a victory.  Actually, it feels like a vindication.

    [ Parent ]

    Paretsky (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by chrisvee on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:08:29 PM EST
    Awesome!  I hadn't read that interview.  Thanks for sharing.

    [ Parent ]
    So now we will start to see (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:05:04 PM EST
    the really nasty stuff coming from both parties.  This past weekend has shown that negative works and this is a bloodsport.

    Politics has always been bloodsport (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:07:16 PM EST
    It's the bloodsport we wage so we don't step it up and get into some really bloody sport.  We fight our wars at the ballot box.

    [ Parent ]
    sure it's a blood sport (none / 0) (#81)
    by white n az on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:18:18 PM EST
    but I don't think it's as negative as the whining from Obama supporters would have us believe it to be.

    I think it's been reasonably tame considering the fact that the main stream media coverage has been so lopsided.

    [ Parent ]

    Of course negative works. (none / 0) (#122)
    by lilburro on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:25:39 PM EST
    I'm surprised some seem to think it won't.  It's usually working somewhere in a campaign - on fliers, on ads, in the tone, etc.  Obama's been passive aggressive.  Clinton went with a traditional negative ad.  What are the important (moral?) differences between these two tactics?

    [ Parent ]
    If Obama goes negative (none / 0) (#128)
    by Socraticsilence on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:26:44 PM EST
    He'll play the integrity card.

    [ Parent ]
    YEAH! This was a HUGE win! (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by vicsan on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:05:13 PM EST
    GO, Hillary! Bring home Texas now!

    Just turned on (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by NJDem on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:05:34 PM EST
    msnbc for sh*ts and giggles, and they're still talking about her dropping out!  Unbelievable!  

    I think I'm going back to Fox (did I just say that?).

    Thank you, the people of OH--can't wait to see what the final #s are.  RI is pretty steady at 19 points.  

    Won't it be interesting to see how (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:07:27 PM EST
    the votes shake out in the counties where the polls stayed open later?

    [ Parent ]
    Jeralyn, would you call & wake up BTD? (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:06:30 PM EST
    We are missing him.

    He is updating above. Kind of (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:16:59 PM EST
    solo live-blogging w/o the software.

    [ Parent ]
    I feel like I can breathe a little, (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by Anne on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:08:01 PM EST
    finally...have been on pins and needles.

    The big win in Ohio really ought to change the dynamic of this race - but I have little confidence the media will make that leap.

    Maybe we have to give them a couple of days to grieve, work through the various stages, ya know?

    When all is said and done, once again Hillary comes through with grace and honor - played fair, against all odds, with the media naysayers chained to her ankles.

    That's the kind of fighter I want.

    Cheers, all!

    Congratulations Hillary and Dems (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Salt on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:08:35 PM EST


    Thanks. (none / 0) (#85)
    by derridog on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:19:32 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Oh God, Do it For the Children!!! (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:08:58 PM EST
    Or at least that's what Andrea Mitchell says. Hillary needs to drop out because the ever so passionate Obama supporters will drop out of the process. For the love of God, they act as if Hillary has miraculously won without anyone voting for her. Enourmous Democratic turnout and she wins, and yet somehow HE has more supporters? Boggles the mind.

    CNN just said Barack called McCain (none / 0) (#46)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:10:08 PM EST
    to congratulate him on his win.

    [ Parent ]
    Tweety just referred to... (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:10:47 PM EST
    ..the illusory notion of changing momentum.

    Oh God, KO and Tweety... (none / 0) (#60)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:13:11 PM EST
    ..convincing themselves that Bill and Hillary are evil. Omigod KO is saying that with Hillary's entitlement she has a special obligation to bow out for the party's sake. I HATE THESE PEOPLE.

    [ Parent ]
    I commented on that statement (none / 0) (#165)
    by litigatormom on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:36:17 PM EST
    somewhere on this thread.  I can't believe I used to like KO.  I'm not sure I'll be able to go back to listening to him when the primaries are over and he goes back to bashing McCain.  Or will he?  So many media types are in the tank for the Faux Maverick.

    Tom Brokaw giving Hillary her props for winning Ohio by a significant margin, in a bellweather state.  Wow. Objective analysis.  

    KO now pays lip service to Hillary's double digit victory in Ohio.  But she's committed to continuing to Pennsylvania.  Russert: she can't back out now.  What are they going to do about Florida and Michigan?  They need some determination from those states to settle the nomination. Duh, Timmeh.  I've been saying that all along. You can't base your magic number for the nomination based on those delegates being in, and not have a way for those delegates to be seated.

    [ Parent ]

    Someone (obviously, not NBC) needs to ask (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:11:16 PM EST
    how come it is that Obama outspent Clinton a zillion to one, had his much touted 11 state winning streak, and still could not wrap this up tonight?

    That's the question that needs to be put out there again and again, because it makes people think instead of feel.

    The Obama Hammer misses? (none / 0) (#70)
    by Coral Gables on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:15:38 PM EST
    Hillary doubled down on Super Tuesday, spent a ton and didn't accomplish her goal. Obama tried the same thing today. We'll know by the end of the night if he failed also.

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah (none / 0) (#123)
    by chrisvee on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:25:55 PM EST
    At some point, he actually has to win in order to win.  My mind is boggled at the list of states he's lost, yet he's still being discussed as the presumptive nominee.  If he lose the TX popular vote (or it's close) and he loses PA...huh?

    MSNBC is ridiculous.  It can never be said enough.

    [ Parent ]

    The intrigue continues (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Coral Gables on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:11:21 PM EST
    Should Hillary squeak out a Texas win, the talk of Florida and Michigan will begin to intensify as to when and how to have a new election. I suspect a by mail election will be settled on sometime middle to late May and set in stone if things are still hopping after Pennsylvania.

    If neither can get to 2025 on their own, there is no reason at all not to have them both continue on.

    Wait, Tweety is making sense (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:14:48 PM EST
    KO says it's Clinton's responsibility not to damage the party.

    Tweety says why should she walk away, her voters reflect what the Democratic party really looks like (women, working class, etc.).

    KO won't let it go.

    (I'm watching MSNBC so you don't have to.)

    And believe me I'm grateful. (none / 0) (#94)
    by clio on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:21:01 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    How did Paul Begala lie? (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:14:53 PM EST
    Keith and Tweety are really coming up with some outlandish spin tonight.

    oberman and matthews (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:16:19 PM EST
    Oberman says to Chris, is there anything tonght that means anytyhing. Chris says yes, Obama has the most delegates, and that's all that matters. Man, these guys don't quit.

    Even Russert is telling them they are wrong. (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:17:25 PM EST
    But KO won't let it go.

    [ Parent ]
    A GOP strategist on CNN just said (none / 0) (#83)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:19:18 PM EST
    "if Clinton goes negative on Obama it'll be like killing Santa Claus in front of the kids"....Isn't it about time?

    [ Parent ]
    Yes, Virginia, there is no (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:25:13 PM EST
    better time to grow up. There is no Santa Claus. There are two wars, a recession, and children in this country who can't imagine what presents under the tree must be like. And we know which candidate has spent decades working for children. . . .

    [ Parent ]
    Please tell me you're making that up. (none / 0) (#108)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:23:03 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Let's see if (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:17:54 PM EST
    Obama steps on her speech again.  And CNN lets him.

    Hey, he won Vermont! LOL. nt (none / 0) (#88)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:20:31 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    If I hadn't sworn (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by clio on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:18:03 PM EST
    I'd never turn on MSNBC again I'd click over just to watch them choke on this.

    As I keep saying, Senator C has never been a favorite of mine, but her treatment by the media, many of the A-list lefty blogs and Senator Obama himself, has been enraging.

    If Michigan gets a do-over Senator Clinton will have my vote.

    Senator Clinton isn't my ideal candidate (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:20:40 PM EST
    It's just that I feel she's the only one running who truly has the capacity to lead right now...and be a Democrat at the same time.  Yes, she can...multitask!

    (with the caveat that I'm still just a liberal, not actually a Democrat)

    [ Parent ]

    I'm going to let them choke a little (none / 0) (#98)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:22:04 PM EST
    more on what's happening in Texas and then I'm going to flip them on.  Haven't watched them in about three weeks now but I'm not going to miss this.  I just can't stomach the coming the Jesus problem they are having at this minute, I have to give them a little more time to stew before I want a taste.

    [ Parent ]
    Heh. (none / 0) (#138)
    by clio on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:30:25 PM EST
    Go, go, go Senator C.!  
    Bring Texas home!

    [ Parent ]
    Wearing Defiant Red! (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Klio on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:18:18 PM EST
    doesn't she look spectacular!

    Hillary is on (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by magisterludi on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:20:42 PM EST
    looking and sounding great, I must say.
     John Glenn was onstage with her. How cool is that?

    It's. . . (none / 0) (#145)
    by LarryInNYC on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:32:13 PM EST
    out of this world.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm really happy by this (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by blogtopus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:20:57 PM EST
    I was completely ready to 'bury' Hillary tonight. There is such a thing called Hope. I believe in a place called Hope.

    Memories...I will never forget the Clintons (none / 0) (#115)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:24:30 PM EST
    and Gores greeting all those supporters in Arkansas on election night. I was so proud.

    [ Parent ]
    Don't Stop (none / 0) (#168)
    by blogtopus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:36:24 PM EST
    Thinking about Tomorrow...

    [ Parent ]
    My friends... (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Chisoxy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:22:42 PM EST
    KO and Mathews are completly ridiculous. For weeks we have to hear about Obama and his momentum, and now Hillary wins all of a sudden if Obama wins Texas later he kills her momentum. What a joke.

    Also, who wants to bet some NBC/CNN joker is going to try and compare Hillary naming the states she's won with Howard Deans' scream?

    they sound like babbling idiots (none / 0) (#125)
    by thereyougo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:26:15 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Congrats... (5.00 / 2) (#106)
    by mindfulmission on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:22:56 PM EST
    ... to Hillary.  It looks like she will win Ohio by MUCH more than I expected.

    As much as I want this to be over and for Obama to get the nomination, this is great political theater.

    The rest of the night should be interesting with the news coming out of Texas.

    Thanks, you are most gracious. nt (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:24:15 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Yep, Texas still looks iffy (none / 0) (#124)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:25:58 PM EST
    could go either way.  

    [ Parent ]
    For what it's worth! (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by liminal on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:23:01 PM EST
    I've been listening to WOUB tonight, as they report on local results in ESE Ohio.  I think they said that the 6th Congressional District went 74/26 for Clinton.  That's Strickland's old district, following the Ohio River hard against WVa.  I believe that they also reported that the 18th Congressional District went for HRC by a 2-1 margin, though not quite as dramatically as the 6th district.

    oh... (5.00 / 4) (#126)
    by mindfulmission on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:26:26 PM EST
    ... and I do appreciate the Hillary win in Ohio for the sole fact that it will piss off MSNBC and the rest of the idiot talking heads.

    While I know that my candidate has benefited from their bias, it still offends me.

    wow (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:32:37 PM EST
    police were called to open doors to a caucus in TX when Obama folks locked them out.  This is going to go on forever.  Off to bed now.  Thanks to all of y'all for being here tonight-and TL for keeping this place safe for all of us.  I'm thinking TX is not locked, but I hope I am wrong.  Go, Hillary!  Yay, team!  

    Me to Kathy, goodnight. (none / 0) (#161)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:35:29 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    You have to win Ohio (none / 0) (#4)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:58:40 PM EST
    to win the White House, for the last century or so! But of course, KO is already saying BO won TX -- with no call yet, just KO spinning. And Russert says it's all about delegate count. Bleh.

    any prediction (none / 0) (#20)
    by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:04:10 PM EST
    as to whether it's a single digit or double digit win?

    Paul Begala is lying on CNN (none / 0) (#44)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:09:28 PM EST
    Guess I can't be surprised.  

    what was the lie? (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:13:04 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    That Obama's econ adviser (3.00 / 1) (#69)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:15:19 PM EST
    told Canada the exact opposite of what Obama said in the debate.  It was the same thing.  

    [ Parent ]
    I'm sure Begala would lie (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by RalphB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:22:02 PM EST
    but I don't know enough about that to have a real opinion.  Seems like a bit of an open question.


    [ Parent ]
    Obama campaign (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by white n az on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:22:39 PM EST
    has completely fumbled the whole story and no matter what they say on the matter, they look stupid. Clearly Clinton supporters like Begala will keep referring to this massive screw up because Obama's campaign can't seem to clean this problem up.

    [ Parent ]
    If Begala quoted the Canadian memo, it would (none / 0) (#143)
    by jawbone on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:31:40 PM EST
    not be a lie.

    There is now so much dust being stirred up about who said, did what that the only thing standing out is that 1) Obama made a clear statement that there was no contact with any Canadian officials, but there was, and 2) he said no one told him about this contact, so it doesn't count.

    That doesn't fly--unless you Dear Leader and the MCM is blinded by your glory. Not happening in this situation.

    [ Parent ]

    No (none / 0) (#149)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:33:12 PM EST
    You can talk about Obama's response.  You can talk about his denial.

    The memo said that he wouldn't fundamentally change the agreement but look to change labor and environmental rules which is EXACTLY what he said in the debate.

    [ Parent ]

    Hillary's on The Daily Show right now. (none / 0) (#86)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:20:03 PM EST
    If you're interested.

    She is coming across as very sincere. Nice job.

    she is! (none / 0) (#104)
    by thereyougo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:22:48 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Ok, ok. It was taped yesterday. (none / 0) (#116)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:24:34 PM EST
    Didn't seem right...

    Still did a nice job.

    [ Parent ]

    last night's appearance? (none / 0) (#112)
    by white n az on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:23:46 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Ohio folks are fired up! She's saying (none / 0) (#87)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:20:24 PM EST
    the right stuff here.

    Impossible (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by chrisvee on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:28:06 PM EST
    I have it on good authority that crowds never get excited when she speaks and that she's unpopular.  ;-)

    [ Parent ]
    Hillary on C-Span 2 NOW! (none / 0) (#91)
    by jen on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:20:51 PM EST
    HERE.

    She's so gracious. Almost hoarse ! (none / 0) (#95)
    by thereyougo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:21:49 PM EST
    What a dame ! she worked haard! she's tired, man that pancake makeup is  working overtime!!

    50 ATTA GIRL for Hillary.......!

    But it's looking better than Andrea's. LOL nt. (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:23:06 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Hillary is tested and ready? (none / 0) (#96)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:21:51 PM EST
    Is she really going to go with that?  

    BTW: Our good friends at SUSA (none / 0) (#101)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:22:29 PM EST
    were right again!

    I just HAVE to see Tweety's face after this speech (none / 0) (#114)
    by vicsan on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:24:25 PM EST
    I bet it's GREEN! LOL!

    Go, Hillary!

    33,215 seperates HRC from O (none / 0) (#164)
    by thereyougo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:35:53 PM EST
    she's pulled ahead with 48% in......

    its a huge psychological win for her.

    [ Parent ]

    Just curious (none / 0) (#127)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:26:43 PM EST
    But all of those people who called Obama arrogant for calling McCain and saying that he looks forward to running against him.  

    What do you think of Hillary doing the EXACT SAME THING in her speech?  Just curious if that was arrogant as well.

    I wasn't one of those who called him on it (none / 0) (#142)
    by white n az on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:31:29 PM EST
    but it occurs to me that it takes an amount of arrogance just to get this far and thus it isn't the arrogance but rather the perception of unseemly.

    The simple fact is that they are all Senators, they all know each other and calling John McCain to congratulate him doesn't seem to be a big deal by itself...I think it rather stupid to make it a matter of record by publicizing the fact that he did it.

    [ Parent ]

    But doing it in a speech (none / 0) (#152)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:33:56 PM EST
    is fine?

    [ Parent ]
    Of course not :-) (none / 0) (#160)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:35:18 PM EST
    She won tonight (I know, Vermont, still don't know about Texas), but she won, tonight not him. So his comment(assuming he did it) is kind of pi**ing on her.  That's how I view it anyway.

    But clearly, I like her a lot, so take that for what it is worth.

    [ Parent ]

    Calling to congratulate is far different (none / 0) (#167)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:36:19 PM EST
    from Obama declaring himself the nominee, especially when he didn't even know yet about Ohio or Texas. He really ought to wait until, y'know, the Dems decide if he's the nominee -- the real Dems, the ones who will be at the national convention, not his Dems for a day at the caucuses and in the open primaries. That's why.

    [ Parent ]
    Unbelievable (none / 0) (#129)
    by Slado on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:26:46 PM EST
    She has now won 2 of the last 13 states and is claiming momentum in her speech.   This will only get nastier in the coming days.   She will all but ignore Wyoming and Mississippi which will go Obama and then pretend as if she still has momentum.

    The colored glasses of Clinton supporters is astonishing.  If she was any other candidate they'd be demanding she quit but she's not.   She is Hillary.

    This thing is far from over.  I think we will now see the true fervor of Clinton and she won't quit till the convention no matter what.  Voters be damned she will destroy the democratic party before giving up.

    I can't wait.

    Is this snark? (none / 0) (#140)
    by catfish on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:30:46 PM EST
    So, it's not who wins the most consecutive states that decide the nominee. It's who wins 2,025 delegates first.

    [ Parent ]
    O/T (none / 0) (#134)
    by Mary Mary on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:28:48 PM EST
    But did anyone else see the county in TX that went for Dodd?

    Never mind (none / 0) (#158)
    by Mary Mary on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:35:04 PM EST
    It went to Clinton. But I swear it was there!

    [ Parent ]
    yes she will (none / 0) (#135)
    by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:29:27 PM EST
    is what the clinton supporters are chanting in Ohio. Priceless.

    OK, can I be the first to say it tonight. Hillary is the come back kid.

    Man! (none / 0) (#136)
    by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:30:02 PM EST
    That first part of her speech was pitch-perfect: wooed the audience in front of her and made the case to the super d's all at the same time.  Talk about knowing what you are doing!

    And she looks radiant.  I love that flush in her cheeks.

    She is really on tonight. I love that pro- (none / 0) (#141)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:30:52 PM EST
    Democrat talk.

    very good speech (none / 0) (#144)
    by mindfulmission on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:31:44 PM EST
    Though I think the "Yes she will" thing is a pretty lame ripoff of the "Yes we can" chant.

    But it was a strong speech, one of her better one's.

    lame when Obama stole it too. (none / 0) (#153)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:33:59 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    We've got spirit yes we do (none / 0) (#157)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:35:04 PM EST
    We've got spirit how about you?

    [ Parent ]
    Who brought up the Dean Scream??? (none / 0) (#146)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:32:18 PM EST
    Keith bought it. Holy cow.

    How did that man get so sad so fast.? (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:34:31 PM EST
    He just couldn'y wait to go there.

    [ Parent ]
    Madame President (none / 0) (#150)
    by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:33:40 PM EST
    Promises into action, words into solutions, and hope into reality...
    Did she get to use that song with the (none / 0) (#166)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:36:18 PM EST
    Boss' blessing?

    Looks like Josh has turned in for the night; no (none / 0) (#169)
    by Angel on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:36:27 PM EST
    updates on his site.

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