The Big Ones: Ohio And Texas

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:58:13 PM EST
Tags: Texas '08, Ohio '08 (all tags)

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Update (TL): Hillary now leads in Texas by 1,800 votes. All the commenters agree, whatever happens in Texas tonight, Hillary will stay in until Pennsylvania. She has the momentum now. Most of those deciding who to vote for in the last three days picked her. She's got 2/3 of the Latino vote, which makes up 1/3 of all Texas voters.

By Big Tent Democrat

OHIO

Clinton 640,000 (57%)(WIN)
Obama 459,000 (41%)

51% reporting

TEXAS

Clinton 885,000 (50%)
Obama 867,000 (49%)

44% reporting

Update: (TL)Comments now closed here.

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The Big Ones: Ohio And Texas | 220 comments (220 topical)

And West Texas the last to report (5.00 / 4) (#1)
by andgarden on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:59:33 PM EST

I'm thinking the exit polls and reports of late momentum for Hillary were right .

I'm hoping you're right (5.00 / 3) (#25)
by vigkat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:10:03 PM EST

I would like to see more of this momentum. It's refreshing.

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Houston or Austin? (none / 0) (#57)
by A DC Wonk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:20:57 PM EST

On the front page of NYTimes dot com, there's a county map of Texas showing results, and it shows that there are no results yet from Houston or Austin.

Thoughts?

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According to CN (5.00 / 2) (#63)
by andgarden on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:23:07 PM EST

those are both reporting heavily. In the west, not so much. This is going to be very lose, and it looks like Hillary is about to take the lead.

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does anyone have a link (none / 0) (#67)
by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:24:36 PM EST

that shows the primary results vs caucus results? Or are they all tabulated together in a confusing TX mish-mash?

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CNN has it separately (5.00 / 1) (#87)
by jen on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:33:25 PM EST

HERE.

Oh!!Oh!! They're showing it 49% to 49% right now!

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CNN has HRC ahead by 1300 (none / 0) (#144)
by sumac on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:46:48 PM EST

...for a moment at least.

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: They've managed not to call it a lead (none / 0) (#186)
by vigkat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:56:30 PM EST

Not a lead. Only numbers. Temporary numbers. No need to panic.

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NYTimes front page has interactive map (none / 0) (#112)
by jawbone on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:38:37 PM EST

for each state, by party, and for TX has primary vote and caucus results--by county. Pretty neat.

MSNBC just said outlying areas of TX, Hillary's likely area, come in late.

http://www.nytimes.com/

TX--Hillary white women by 19
White men splitting evenly.

Independents and Repubs made up 1/3 of voters--Obama winning them.

Clinton winning late deciders.

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Well, maybe the White men are finally getting a (5.00 / 1) (#127)
by derridog on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:42:32 PM EST

clue.

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Maybe it was the Nicholson ad? nt (5.00 / 1) (#130)
by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:43:58 PM EST

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: You are Probably Right (none / 0) (#162)
by cdalygo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:52:23 PM EST

That and the military signers.
I want to see if the exit polls match up with the AA vote in Texas. If she pulled about 1/4 or 1/3 my bet goes to the military vets. (Highest concentration in Texas due to promised free health care and tradition of service in state.)
But I will wait to see final results. That alone will be worth tons of analysis.

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West Texas? (none / 0) (#86)
by plf1953 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:33:22 PM EST

No offense meant to Texans, but does anywone actually live in West Texas?

If so, what are the big towns?

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Amarillo. I used to live near there across (5.00 / 1) (#101)
by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:36:16 PM EST

the line in New Mexico. Lots of grain elevators and tumbleweed.

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Down in the west Texas town of El Paso... (5.00 / 1) (#103)
by echinopsia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:36:34 PM EST

Abilene, Lubbock, Midland, Odessa

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of course you know (none / 0) (#110)
by white n az on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:38:27 PM EST

that Marty Robbins was from Phoenix - go figure

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: I always think of (none / 0) (#188)
by Molly Bloom on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:56:56 PM EST

Bob Weir myself.

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El Paso (n/t) (none / 0) (#94)
by sumac on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:34:45 PM EST

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Hmm. . . (5.00 / 5) (#2)
by LarryInNYC on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:00:10 PM EST

if it continues the way it's going, I may be canvassing the blog for hat sauce recipes.

I note Obama has shared his chili recipe. (none / 0) (#4)
by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:01:51 PM EST

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Hat sauce. (5.00 / 2) (#6)
by LarryInNYC on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:02:32 PM EST

Not hot sauce. As in "eat my hat".

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Oh, I know. Hence that "5." Funny. (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:03:47 PM EST

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I;ve got a great recipe (5.00 / 4) (#12)
by echinopsia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:04:48 PM EST

The main ingredient is crow.

8-D

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Heh (none / 0) (#59)
by chrisvee on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:21:10 PM EST

And garnished with rue.

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: My, we're witty (none / 0) (#78)
by echinopsia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:30:42 PM EST

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PLEASE post pictures (none / 0) (#14)
by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:05:20 PM EST

Someone asked for the link to the ambush call. Wonder how many Rezko questions Wolfson will get in when he calls Bauer?

LINK

REALLY bad mood to do this sort of thing with the entire press corps listening. What were they thinking? Oh, well, at least NBC will cover it well for them. "Frustration at Obama camp over Clinton's cheating"

Here is my prediction: If TX stays this close, there are going to be lawsuits.

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I had a feeling (5.00 / 1) (#3)
by herb the verb on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:01:22 PM EST

she was going to trounce Obama in Ohio. It was a combo of the vibe from 60 minutes, the Obama Canada/Nafta thing and a general feeling that the wave is starting to break.
Texas I also think she will win but it will be close....

Maybe these factors were both why they were hedging on needing to win Texas?

should call it for Ohio already... (5.00 / 3) (#5)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:02:16 PM EST

Looks like enough numbers in (along with exit polls) to call it for Ohio already. What's keeping them. Oh yea, it's not Obama. Snicker, snicker.

OK, bets on what percentage results in they call it. I'm going for around 30%. Any takers.

MSNBC just called Ohio for HRC (5.00 / 2) (#178)
by litigatormom on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:55:01 PM EST

Not clear what the final count or delegates will be, Clinton to appear on TV in about 20 minutes. Not waiting for Texas, according to KO.

Tweety: "Well, of course, she led there for a long time, although by less than before...."

He is sooooooo pissed.

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Alternative (none / 0) (#10)
by Socraticsilence on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:04:30 PM EST

Or, just a guess, the fact that Cleveland and Cincy are still at 0% reporting might be a factor.

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good point (none / 0) (#17)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:06:18 PM EST

Doh. I hate when that happens. You have a good point.

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: Cheer Up (none / 0) (#27)
by Socraticsilence on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:10:47 PM EST

If your a HRC partisan it might work in your favor in TX, El Paso should be the last place finished there.

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Around 70% (none / 0) (#16)
by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:06:06 PM EST

maybe higher.

Cayuga County is the 15th largest district in the country and has almost nothing reported in yet.

The percentages don't represent total votes.

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: Cayuga? There's one in NY but (none / 0) (#42)
by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:17:26 PM EST

I thought it was Cayahoga in Ohio (different Native dialects).

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past 30 already (none / 0) (#56)
by Salt on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:20:47 PM EST

I'll call it, Ohio absolutely went for Hillary..no matter the games up north in keeping the Obama friendly polls open. White males jumped off the Obama ship...

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McCain is now running on hope (5.00 / 3) (#7)
by Molly Bloom on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:03:08 PM EST

doesn't want to return to the failed policies of the past and ... Democrats are running due to ambition; McCain strictly patriotism.

I think I am going to be sick...

: I saw that (none / 0) (#36)
by vigkat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:14:54 PM EST

I've already brought out the barf bag. Started gagging on the word "hope." It appears that is the overarching theme of this entire election. It seems such a thin reed to me.

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Prediction (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by Socraticsilence on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:03:42 PM EST

Ohio will end up being HRC by 3-7% I'd guess (Urban Precincts are pretty much not in at all at the moment).
Texas will be interesting, Obama has a massive early vote lead, but as is mentioned above the West reports later.

: Where is this (none / 0) (#11)
by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:04:38 PM EST

massive early vote lead? I am only seeing a 1% early vote lead. Do you have a link?
http://enr.sos.state.tx.us/enr/mar04_136_state.htm?x=0&y=112&id=535

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: Texas keeps closing ... (none / 0) (#18)
by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:06:49 PM EST

it's now a 2% race. About 30K separating them.

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Texas (5.00 / 1) (#13)
by spit on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:04:57 PM EST

has lots of areas with very little reporting. Looks like it'll be close, either way.

My favorite TX county name just became Deaf Smith.

Very solid for Clinton in OH so far. I expect the numbers will tighten there some.

lol, I like "Lottawatta" Oklahoma. (5.00 / 1) (#26)
by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:10:37 PM EST

I may have spelled that wrong but that's my favorite town name ever. There's a nice lake there.

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Another good one is (5.00 / 1) (#40)
by A DC Wonk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:15:51 PM EST

Walla Walla, Washington

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: Winnemucca, Nevada (5.00 / 1) (#83)
by vigkat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:33:04 PM EST

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Lackawanna, NJ (5.00 / 1) (#121)
by jawbone on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:41:07 PM EST

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Two Egg, Florida (none / 0) (#128)
by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:42:42 PM EST

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: I'm also a fan of (5.00 / 1) (#139)
by spit on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:45:49 PM EST

Copperopolis, CA, entirely on the grounds that it's fun to say as I'm driving through.

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Favorite NJ names (none / 0) (#200)
by litigatormom on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:00:03 PM EST

Piscataway

Cheesequake

Hackensack

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Counties (5.00 / 1) (#29)
by Socraticsilence on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:11:37 PM EST

For irony sake I want Obama to carry Jeff Davis county.

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Obama (5.00 / 4) (#19)
by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:07:43 PM EST

called McCain and told hm he was looking forward to running against him in the fall.

What a tool.

<ahem> (5.00 / 1) (#21)
by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:08:48 PM EST

"Thank you, my friend, but have you looked at CNN lately?"

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Audacious. n/t (5.00 / 5) (#23)
by LarryInNYC on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:09:36 PM EST

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: And Hopeful! nt. (5.00 / 2) (#31)
by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:12:08 PM EST

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BO and McCain (5.00 / 1) (#34)
by Grey on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:12:57 PM EST

I cannot believe he called McCain and said that. Unbelievable. Literally.

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Talk about (5.00 / 1) (#51)
by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:18:50 PM EST

bulletin board material!

Doesn't he know how much this is going to fire up the Hillary lockerroom?

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It was reported on MSNBC (none / 0) (#35)
by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:14:16 PM EST

about the call.

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Yup (none / 0) (#46)
by Grey on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:18:18 PM EST

I know, I was watching. It's just unbelievable to me.

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: To clarify (5.00 / 2) (#53)
by Grey on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:19:08 PM EST

It's unbelievable because it's so obnoxious and arrogant.

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Wanna bet that, once again, Obama (5.00 / 1) (#50)
by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:18:40 PM EST

doesn't call Clinton with congratulations.

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Link? (none / 0) (#32)
by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:12:14 PM EST

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Please tell me you're kidding (none / 0) (#52)
by echinopsia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:19:02 PM EST

Or give me link. Gimme gimme. That is TOO rich.

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phone call? (none / 0) (#55)
by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:20:44 PM EST

audio is here.

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No, but thanks (5.00 / 1) (#74)
by echinopsia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:29:12 PM EST

I'm looking for the link to Obama's calling McCain.

Got a few noses that need rubbing in it.

(My dog, what an arrogant, pompous, self-important thing to do. Not that that will faze the Obammies)

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The Obammies will love it (none / 0) (#99)
by vigkat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:35:58 PM EST

The arrogance is a big part of the appeal.

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: Hillary will call him too, I bet (none / 0) (#119)
by echinopsia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:40:51 PM EST

Wonder if she'll say the same?

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that link (none / 0) (#71)
by white n az on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:26:26 PM EST

that server is on overload...must be a lot of interest in this.

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Heh (none / 0) (#168)
by chrisvee on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:52:54 PM EST

Tomorrow we'll be getting some WORM to explain it, I'm sure.

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I think they're waiting (5.00 / 1) (#20)
by Anne on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:08:39 PM EST

for the white light to shine down...

I won't hold my breath waiting for these yahoos to comment about the Obama campaign's underhanded and illegal tactics - my guess is they'll just call him "scrappy" and make it out to be a good thing. Or tell us that somehow, Cinton "gave them no choice."

hee hee (none / 0) (#28)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:11:35 PM EST

Scrappy doooo. Never liked that character. Does that make HIllary Scooby do.

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officially primary punch drunk (none / 0) (#33)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:12:44 PM EST

OK, that comment was way too silly. I'm now officially primary punch drunk.

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In my case (none / 0) (#37)
by Anne on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:15:02 PM EST

it's the yellowtail Shiraz... :)

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In my case, it's beer and no supper. (none / 0) (#41)
by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:16:09 PM EST

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: In my case (5.00 / 1) (#109)
by vigkat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:38:26 PM EST

It's left over soup and no alcoholic beverage because I am too riveted to go open a bottle of cabernet. Someone else will open it soon.

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: better you should eat (5.00 / 2) (#118)
by white n az on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:40:35 PM EST

it's going to be a long night (Texas)

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Joe Scarborough (5.00 / 1) (#43)
by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:18:07 PM EST

is defending Hillary on MSNBarack.

It's always the Republicans who defend her on MSNBarack.

Scarborough just mocked Fineman... (5.00 / 1) (#44)
by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:18:12 PM EST

...for spinning!!!! Specifically for his "grim determination remark. A few seconds later he backpedaled claiming that Fineman wasn't spinning, someone must have said something in his ear.

Snakes slithering and whispering (5.00 / 1) (#58)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:20:57 PM EST

is what I picture when I think of MSNBC. But maybe it's just me.

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Well Olberman just compared McCain.. (5.00 / 1) (#85)
by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:33:20 PM EST

..to Winston Churchill. So I guess we know which way he'll swing if Obama doesn't win the nomination.

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Stop (none / 0) (#143)
by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:46:38 PM EST

I just verped.

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: Is that military slang for (none / 0) (#214)
by echinopsia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:12:06 PM EST

threw up a little in my mouth?

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If (5.00 / 1) (#49)
by chrisvee on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:18:38 PM EST

If Hillary manages to win both of these states (speaking in terms of popular vote not delegates) get ready for the tornado-force spin headed our way about why these results are meaningless from the Obama camp & NBC.

Spin? (none / 0) (#54)
by Socraticsilence on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:20:27 PM EST

How could it possibly be any worse than the spinning Penn did in the last few weeks?

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: because it's spin in the opposite direction (5.00 / 1) (#62)
by A DC Wonk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:22:51 PM EST

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: good point, but (5.00 / 1) (#64)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:23:48 PM EST

the Obama mantra is that it's about a new, fair, unifying way of politics. Change, hope and all that. So when we see the usual slimy politics as usual, there's a bit of hypocrisy. But you're right in general, spin is universal.
Well, now that I've said that, spin from the camps is fine and dandy. Spin for one candidate from press outlets is not good.

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: good question (none / 0) (#65)
by RalphB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:23:59 PM EST

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: Uh (none / 0) (#66)
by chrisvee on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:24:32 PM EST

You're joking, right? The race is essentially deadlocked but you'd never know that from the spin.

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Tina Fey (5.00 / 1) (#60)
by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:21:52 PM EST

for a new post of Secretary of the Department of Take 'Em Down a Peg or Two and Restore Democracy. I hear that Fey wrote the skit for Clinton this past week, too.

Tina (5.00 / 1) (#68)
by Athena on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:25:44 PM EST

For sure - an unsung heroine of the last few weeks.

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Finally some hip young women coming (none / 0) (#157)
by hairspray on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:50:40 PM EST

out for Clinton in a big way. Too bad the SNL skit wasn't a few weeks ago, but then we wouldn't have this roller coaster ride.

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: Not so young here ... (5.00 / 1) (#218)
by echinopsia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:13:59 PM EST

I guess I could be a hip old woman, though.

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Finally some hip young women coming (none / 0) (#158)
by hairspray on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:51:09 PM EST

out for Clinton in a big way. Too bad the SNL skit wasn't a few weeks ago, but then we wouldn't have this roller coaster ride.

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I'm for that (none / 0) (#73)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:26:50 PM EST

Just another great UVA grad. OK, RFK might hold on to the favorite UVA grad (law school at least) mantle, but she's doing well.

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TX could soon flip ... (5.00 / 1) (#61)
by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:22:43 PM EST

race now closes to 1%. About 16K separates them.

I just got back from our caucus. I live in a (5.00 / 3) (#79)
by Angel on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:31:47 PM EST

mixed area outside of Austin city limits. Upper middle class, middle class and a little below. I signed up people at the caucus and got a pretty good idea of what is going on here. The middel-aged white males were for BO, some of the older white males were for Clinton, most of the women were for Clinton unless they were with their husbands, then if they were younger women they were for BO, older for Clinton, AAs were for BO, and Hispanic were for Clinton. Our caucus was split 16 BO, 13 Clinton. A LOT of angry white males were there and they were totally obnoxious.

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Angel (none / 0) (#90)
by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:34:04 PM EST

Obnoxious how?

And I know Cream will find it interesting, as do I, that if a woman was there with her husband, she was more likely to vote Obama. Not to over-extrapolate (too late!) but this is why voting has got to be absolutely private.

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Well, the lead BO guy tried to tell everyone they (5.00 / 1) (#131)
by Angel on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:44:04 PM EST

could leave and we still had a line snaking out the door for people to sign up. Rules say you have to stay until the meeting is called to order and the votes are tallied. We had about 250 people there. Long story short: he was wrong and he huffed and puffed until the meeting started and then tried to get himself elected chair. We didn't allow that to happen. It was just a disgusting thing, could have been nice and civil but his ego and attitude said he knew it all, etc.

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: Well, this is why women need to be in (5.00 / 1) (#165)
by derridog on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:52:33 PM EST

charge of things. We read the rules. We don't just make up our own.

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I wouldn't have any problem caucusing (none / 0) (#132)
by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:44:12 PM EST

with my current spouse. But the ex (aka the "insignificant other")? It would have been misery. Btw, Angel, see the excellent piece on gender at pollster.com re the "Embarrassed Voter" theory -- and it's one of the few I've seen that is an excellent analysis of socioeconomic class, age, etc., too. Having read that early on in this primary season, I understand much more of what we see. (Except, I guess, for why anyone dates my ex.)

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Now 49-49 .... (5.00 / 1) (#89)
by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:33:56 PM EST

Obama ahead by about 8K.

Supposedly they've about wrapped up counting early votes. Looks how the vote went today will decide it.

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Certainly not statistically significant... (5.00 / 3) (#72)
by sumac on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:26:31 PM EST

..but at my precinct there were approximately 200-250 people (all crowded into a tiny elementary school gym). It wasn't an awful experience (just hot). What was interesting is that the split was not as dramatic as I would have thought. I am going to estimate 55%-45% in favor of Obama. Maybe more important than (or at least as important as) the red phone commercial is getting the word out about caucusing.

One woman I spoke to said she has been caucusing for years and has never seen anything like the turnout tonight. Usually a handful of people at best.

CNN now showing Clinton 49% (5.00 / 2) (#76)
by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:30:26 PM EST

Obama 49%.

: Gravel coming up fast? (5.00 / 1) (#81)
by LarryInNYC on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:32:23 PM EST

Who's got the other two percent?
I'm starting a lawsuit!

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CNN Exit numbers from Texas (5.00 / 1) (#80)
by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:32:00 PM EST

voters deciding last 3 days
38% obama 61% Hillary

Republicans 9% of voters
46% Clinton 53% Obama

Independents
Clinton 46% Obama 53%

Latinos
Clinton 63% Obama 35%

White Voters
Clinton 55% Obama44%

I think BTD went to sleep on us. (none / 0) (#92)
by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:34:17 PM EST

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Does that mean we can curse now? (5.00 / 1) (#136)
by Democratic Cat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:45:14 PM EST

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: Can we be off topic? If so, I like your name (none / 0) (#212)
by jawbone on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:10:35 PM EST

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Are those Gators playing again? (none / 0) (#113)
by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:38:39 PM EST

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No, they play my Vols tomorrow night. (none / 0) (#120)
by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:40:52 PM EST

Someone wake him up!

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send in a Drone. (5.00 / 1) (#126)
by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:42:04 PM EST

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It must be hard to be a tepid (5.00 / 2) (#173)
by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:54:08 PM EST

Obama supporter on a night like this.

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: Ha, I just spit beer through my nose. I can't (5.00 / 1) (#202)
by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:00:35 PM EST

believe that turd deserted us tonight.

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Fox (5.00 / 1) (#93)
by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:34:28 PM EST

news is reporting that Obama had no basis for his legal challenge in keeping the polls open in Ohio. They said there was no evidence shown of shortage of ballot or sworn statements to show issues were there.

They also said the state voting regulators believe these districts were cherry picked because of the A.A strong areas and that they were not notified of the legal challenge until 6 moniyes before the hearing started.

: ouch (5.00 / 2) (#116)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:40:28 PM EST

and it will have been for nothing since Hillary will win Ohio handily. Kind of a rookie move if you ask me.

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: If this is true, this is truly stupid of the Obama (5.00 / 2) (#150)
by jawbone on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:48:14 PM EST

campaign!
Way to lower your trust factor, newbie. He doesn't have the years of being known by the public as a solid, good, really honest pol to pull this stuff--and get caught.
In November Obama gave an interview (to New Yorker?) saying he was not yet ready for prime time, not ready to take on a presidential run, that he needed to spend to complete his first senate term. I think Axelrod told him he really didn't have to do all that much, that Axelrod had the magic formula, the perfect narrative--and Obama already knew the lines. So, over Christmas, he decides to give it a go.
I wish he had waited to get more seasoned. Of course, there was also the problem of taking stands and making votes on issues for all those years.... Who knows, maybe he made the right move.

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: The Obama team lawyer.... (5.00 / 1) (#211)
by ineedalife on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:08:03 PM EST

that filed the challenge should be disbarred. This is serious stuff.

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El Paso (5.00 / 1) (#97)
by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:35:42 PM EST

reports last. I am hearing heavy for Clinton.

While Fox has been (5.00 / 1) (#100)
by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:36:05 PM EST

pretty good in its coverage of the primaries up until tonight, with McCain getting the official nod, it would appear that they are returning to their normal GOP shilling.

: finally! (5.00 / 1) (#108)
by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:38:13 PM EST

Change we can believe in.

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: Heh (none / 0) (#181)
by chrisvee on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:55:25 PM EST

My worlds are no longer colliding.

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Pat Buchannan is making sense (5.00 / 3) (#106)
by DaleA on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:38:02 PM EST

Must have entered an alternative universe. He was telling them that Hillary is getting the Reagan Democrats back. The ethnic blue collar voters are returning to the party because of Hillary. She is putting back together the FDR coalition. And he is saying she can win the Presidency with this. How come the conservatives can see this, and seemed worried while the liberals on MSNBC can't. Or won't.

: I always thought this (none / 0) (#169)
by catfish on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:53:07 PM EST

but my fellow liberals told me I was in denial. Wish I wrote down the day I said it.

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Texas SoS (5.00 / 2) (#111)
by Coldblue on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:38:37 PM EST

Clinton 50.49

Obama 47.44

17.75% reporting

MSNBarack said ... (5.00 / 2) (#115)
by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:39:33 PM EST

that late deciders went with Clinton.

: Hasn't that been sort of the standard though (none / 0) (#125)
by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:41:48 PM EST

this Dem primary?

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She's 3,000 votes short with 22% (5.00 / 3) (#117)
by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:40:30 PM EST

reporting. Bad day for Clinton supporters to quit sniffing glue ;)

600 votes and closing (5.00 / 1) (#135)
by white n az on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:45:03 PM EST

not much of a huffer myself...sorry. How's the koolaid?

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: oh oh (5.00 / 1) (#148)
by white n az on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:47:34 PM EST

Clinton now up by 1700 votes (24%) per CNN

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Check out the county map (5.00 / 1) (#124)
by jen on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:41:27 PM EST

of TX at CNN. Light blue is Clinton.

: Yep... (none / 0) (#133)
by sar75 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:44:21 PM EST

...just like most of America looked red in 2000, even though Gore won the popular vote.

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It is about to FLIP ... (5.00 / 2) (#138)
by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:45:48 PM EST

Obama lead has shrunk to less than 500 votes!

OMG Clinton ahead by 1700 in TX (5.00 / 4) (#152)
by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:49:10 PM EST

That's it folks. I'm having myself a cosmopolitan on a Tuesday night in the little town ;)

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: Yes! I'm gonna pour me a SoCo (5.00 / 3) (#161)
by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:52:17 PM EST

and ona school night, yet.

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IT FLIPPED!!! CLINTON LEADS IN TX!!! (5.00 / 5) (#147)
by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:47:26 PM EST

Now that Clinton's ahead, (5.00 / 1) (#163)
by Lena on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:52:23 PM EST

I think all of the panels on CNN and MSNBC will momentarily start weeping.

(and how can FOX now be fairer than MSNBC? has anyone watched it? It's actually more balanced than MSNBC. What is going on?)

Finally Ohio called for Hillary!!!! nt (5.00 / 1) (#164)
by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:52:32 PM EST

: Ohio (none / 0) (#176)
by Athena on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:54:30 PM EST

Hooray!!!!!! What took so long?

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CLINTON WINNER IN OH!!! (5.00 / 2) (#166)
by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:52:38 PM EST

CALLED BY MSNBC

And Kos puts up an open thread... (5.00 / 1) (#193)
by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:58:01 PM EST

...just as its being called. That's one way not to have to front page a Clinton victory. (Was that bad of me?)

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: Never mind, he posted it... (none / 0) (#197)
by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:59:44 PM EST

..but had to post that even still Obama will win more delegates in Ohio. Is that possible?

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NBC--Hillary takes OH (5.00 / 1) (#167)
by jawbone on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:52:38 PM EST

HOLY CRAP! (5.00 / 1) (#170)
by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:53:27 PM EST

MANBC just called Ohio for Hillary1

Hillary Wins OHIO!!!! (5.00 / 2) (#171)
by kenosharick on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:53:48 PM EST

but MSNBC now saying momentum does not matter- only math. This after talking up Barack's momentum for months.

: Can't forget the Rules... (5.00 / 1) (#189)
by sumac on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:57:34 PM EST

:)

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: And it's a "razor-thin victory" (none / 0) (#208)
by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:04:44 PM EST

says Jessica on CNN. She's almost 20 pts ahead now (I know it won't stay that way, but still. . . .).

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Hillary message (5.00 / 1) (#175)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:54:22 PM EST

should be meet me in Florida. Obama can't win any big states other than his own. If he wants to be president, he must win Florida, so let's have a do over. At least that's what I'd say.

I'm looking at the demographics (5.00 / 1) (#185)
by white n az on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:56:19 PM EST

The demographics of voters in Texas is incredibly surprising...

According to CNN, Democratic voters in Texas...

57% women
43% men

16% 18-29
28% 30-44
32% 45-59
22% 60+

Clinton is clearly going to win Texas and now CNN has just projected HRC to win Ohio...

big night for HRC

Wow... (5.00 / 2) (#191)
by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:57:58 PM EST

Even though I predicted this...I am typing through tears...

: There's no crying in baseball ;) (none / 0) (#194)
by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:58:36 PM EST

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CNN now showing Clinton 50% (5.00 / 1) (#192)
by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:58:00 PM EST

Obama 49% and who drank the Grand Marnier? Swine!

: I have some Tracy! Come up to TN and (5.00 / 1) (#205)
by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:02:49 PM EST

you can have it. I'll stick to the beer, it works for Hillary. :)

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Brokaw: 67% of voters say economy most imp (5.00 / 2) (#195)
by jawbone on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:58:41 PM EST

Said ahead of healthcare and war in Iraq. I think of healthcare as part of the economic worries--sure is for me.

Can you imagine not having to worry about losing your healthcare along with your job? OMG! The sense of not totally falling through the bottom.

wait for caucus results though (5.00 / 2) (#203)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:01:30 PM EST

because they could turn the tide back if things tighten up again. But it sure looks good.

So the question will be about delegates in Texas. How much do you want to bet that if Obama slides by in delegate count in Texas that's all MSNBC talks about -- it's not the popular vote, it's the delegates.

Clinton up to 50 % in TX (5.00 / 1) (#210)
by vigkat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:06:30 PM EST

Obama at 49.

CNN has (none / 0) (#15)
by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:05:54 PM EST

TX 9.4% reporting:
C 49.52
O 48.64

not what I see (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:08:59 PM EST

I see:

CNN: with 12% in, 50% Obama, 48% Clinton
MSNBC: with 11%, 50% Obama, 48% Clinton

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I am looking at these numbers (none / 0) (#24)
by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:10:02 PM EST

from Texas.

http://enr.sos.state.tx.us/enr/mar04_136_state.htm?x=0&y=112&id=535

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Interesting that the Texas (none / 0) (#38)
by RalphB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:15:15 PM EST

Sec of State website doesn't match CNN in leader.

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: Very interesting indeed (eom) (none / 0) (#47)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:18:25 PM EST

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: Does anyone know (none / 0) (#48)
by Shawn on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:18:25 PM EST

if the network tallies include exit polls?

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Thanks for this (none / 0) (#69)
by annabelly on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:25:48 PM EST

I'll be tracking it here now.

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cbsnews.com (none / 0) (#77)
by white n az on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:30:37 PM EST

shows 49% both HRC and BHO with 19% reporting

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Good one Kathy! (none / 0) (#30)
by NJDem on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:11:55 PM EST

McCain likes and respects HRC, so I can't imagine him taking that comment too well.

I recall that they took forever to call NH and a few hours to call CA, so I guess this is par for the course...

: he didn't call after NV at all (5.00 / 2) (#39)
by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:15:45 PM EST

but his campaign did call the press to tell them that Obama actually won.

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who won (none / 0) (#70)
by myed2x on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:26:03 PM EST

Vermont, I haven't seen an individual post here regarding that one like RI or TX or OH???

;)

: It's in the live blog thread. There were no (none / 0) (#75)
by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:29:18 PM EST

other posts while it was going.

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Still only 1% (none / 0) (#82)
by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:32:34 PM EST

of Houston has reported yet. Only 4% of Austin. Heavy Obama cities.

San Antonio is a heavy Clinton city with 4% reporting.

those precinct reporting numbers are way off (5.00 / 2) (#102)
by Turkana on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:36:18 PM EST

harris county (houston) shows 1% in, with 180,000 total votes. i seriously doubt there are 18 million voters in harris county...

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pollster.com explains that (5.00 / 1) (#142)
by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:46:22 PM EST

the tally is for early ballots, already counted -- but they're not in the percentages yet. Why, who knows. . . .

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That isn't what the numbers mean (none / 0) (#107)
by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:38:07 PM EST

1% of precincts have completely reported.

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even so (5.00 / 1) (#129)
by Turkana on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:42:44 PM EST

how many voters do you think are in harris county?

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: Largest county in the state. Several million (5.00 / 1) (#140)
by Angel on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:45:58 PM EST

people live there.

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: Living or Dead? (none / 0) (#153)
by DaleA on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:49:22 PM EST

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are you getting the county percentage (none / 0) (#96)
by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:35:23 PM EST

reporting from a state website or CNN? I was checking the CNN site and some counties show 0% reporting but have some pretty big numbers up, not sure if CNN is keeping up with percentage reporting per county.

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: That was John King (none / 0) (#104)
by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:37:09 PM EST

who said that.

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: CNN's number for % reporting (none / 0) (#123)
by RalphB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:41:23 PM EST

have got to be completely wrong.

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Wonder if one of them will speak soon? (none / 0) (#84)
by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:33:13 PM EST

: What would they say ? (5.00 / 2) (#105)
by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:37:17 PM EST

Smoke em if ya got em?

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49/49 according to CNN 7:33pm PT (none / 0) (#88)
by thereyougo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:33:45 PM EST

she's catching him (none / 0) (#91)
by thereyougo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:34:15 PM EST

John King (none / 0) (#95)
by rooge04 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:35:09 PM EST

is apparently unfazed by being lampooned on SNL. Every analysis is about how "Clinton needs this" and Obama wins "where the people are" The OH breakdown was an exercise in trying to hold off so that they hope Obama wins.

Pathetic.

She's ROUTING him in OH and they refuse to call it...just in case!

: The just called OH for Hillary (n/t) (5.00 / 1) (#207)
by ineedalife on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:03:22 PM EST

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: MSM knows they are fair and objective (none / 0) (#217)
by litigatormom on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:13:42 PM EST

Tweety says "by the way we keep score, Obama has won already, in a regulation game, but we have never had a former First Lady before, very ambitious, and very entitled, in their lights."
KO says, "But by virtue of their position, don't they have a greater obligation to make sure they don't damage the party."
They don't call it MSNBarack for nothin'.

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Ohio numbers (none / 0) (#98)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:35:55 PM EST

are:

CNN: 47% in: 56% Clinton, 42% Obama
MSNBC: 46% in: 56% Clinton, 42% Obama

No call from either yet.

No doubt... (none / 0) (#114)
by sar75 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:38:47 PM EST

...Clinton takes Texas. There are too many votes left to be counted and the gap is closing to rapidly.

Good for her. She got her game together, fought hard, and has blunted Obama's momentum. She'll now almost certainly go to the convention with fewer delegates (the math, yes, the math...), but she has every right to fight on. If she can persuade the superdelegates to overturn Obama's pledged delegate lead and probably popular vote lead, well, those are the unfortunate rules we play by.

While I do support Obama, I'd happily vote for Clinton. But right now, I'm just depressed that we don't have a clear winner and that this is going to the convention. I almost wish Clinton had pulled out 20 point wins in these states. But these results, I think, are going to hurt the nominee, whoever it is.

And even though I think the candidate with the most pledged delegates and popular vote should win (out of principle), I will say this: the only thing that probably saves us now is a Clinton/Obama unity ticket. I have a feeling that some kind of bargain will ultimately be struck that will produce that ticket. I'll be annoyed that Obama didn't win despite garnering more pledged delegates, but it will be for the best of the party - and man, what an unstoppable force they'll be.

I think drawing this out is good (5.00 / 1) (#146)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:47:22 PM EST

for the dems because they stay in the news and no one hears about Walnuts McCain. And I disagree with others about nasty hurting. The dems will never be as nasty as the repugs, so I'm not worried. The only thing I worry about is if they don't unify behind the winner once it's decided. If the looser is really behind the winner in the end, I think it will be a big win in the end. My two cents of course.

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I respect your comments, but have you ever (5.00 / 1) (#180)
by Angel on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:55:10 PM EST

attended a caucus? They are stupid. And that is putting it mildly. We need one person, one vote. And that is it. The caucuses have turned voting into a blood sport. And they disenfranchise people. I know that I saw no disabled or extremely elderly people at my caucus tonight. And I know they live in my precinct. Caucuses are not fair. I know, nothing is life is guaranteed to be fair. But our voting should be. And the caucuses these days have been taken over by the militant wing of the campaigns and have become ugly by their use of force and intimidation, etc. I witnessed it tonight.

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: I agree about caucuses... (5.00 / 1) (#216)
by sar75 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:12:32 PM EST

...I don't like them either. BUT (and this is very important) both candidates are similarly disadvantaged. Each side knows that what the rules are and have to play by them. One side did that better than the other. I'd also like to remind you that Obama has won several primaries as well.
If I were king for a day, I'd create a new five-region, all-primary, rotating nomination process. The whole thing would last from January 15 to March 30, with three weeks of campaigning per region. Proportional delegates according to popular vote, not districts. No superdelegates. If no one candidate received more than 50%, the top two could have one final runoff.
But unfortunately, we don't have such a system. I will accept (but not like it) if superdelegates overturn the results of a flawed, but still competitive and largely democratic voting process. Those are the rules. (Superdelegates, as far as I know, were not created to remedy the deficiencies of the caucus systems.) And then I'll get behind the Democratic nominee (which is something the more selfish Obama AND Clinton supporters, including several who frequent this board, won't say). But my sense is that overturning the pledged delegate/popular vote winner - whether Hillary or Obama - will have a deleterious impact on turnout in November. I think that would be much more undemocratic than the caucuses, but again, I'll accept it, because those are the rules.

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I really don't think the race going on (none / 0) (#145)
by RalphB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:47:16 PM EST

will hurt chances in November. If they keep the campaigns as mild as they've been up to now, it could provide a valuable platform for the eventual nominee.

I think they should get together and do some more debates like the on in LA. That showed the best of both and would showcase the talent as opposed to McCain.

The Republicans will also not be able to concentrate fire on one particular person. That could be very helpful in the end.

I also agree with you about a unity ticket. A force of nature.

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: mild? (none / 0) (#174)
by Nasarius on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:54:21 PM EST

I generally agree, but they really need to drop the petty nonsense. It hasn't been truly ugly, but it's been getting pretty stupid.
I know it will never happen, but I would love it if they could drop the usual campaign schtick and instead have a conversation on the issues and the direction of the country. Including especially the areas where they agree, but disagree with McCain. Start making the case for November.

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: I think it will hurt... (none / 0) (#196)
by sar75 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:59:20 PM EST

...it is getting nastier. Clinton very effectively went negative on Obama (I tip my hat to her, and hope she'll fight this way in the general if she's the nominee), and Obama wasn't a prince charming either. I think they can bludgeon each other to the point that a unity ticket becomes difficult. I also think that if Obama's supporters (not me, but many of them) think he really deserves it because he won more pledged delegates and, probably, the popular vote as well, they might say "screw it" and stay home.
Here's hoping I'm wrong. If they can keep it civil (enough), maybe it will help. But I'm just very afraid of a convention fight. I think it would be a disaster.

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600 votes seperating HRC and Obama _ DANG ! (none / 0) (#137)
by thereyougo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:45:30 PM EST

she's inching closer and closer !!

: HRC just pulled ahead in TX! (5.00 / 2) (#151)
by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:48:31 PM EST

2,000 votes ahead with more than a third of the precincts reporting.

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: HRC just pulled ahead in TX! (none / 0) (#155)
by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:49:35 PM EST

2,000 votes ahead with 24% of precincts reporting.

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Never hurts to be prudent.... (none / 0) (#149)
by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:48:07 PM EST

...and today is a good day to have that pin.

And HC takes the lead..but never fear, (none / 0) (#154)
by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:49:30 PM EST

Wyoming and Mississippi are coming up. Yay, Go Democrats!

Wyoming (none / 0) (#159)
by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:51:43 PM EST

is a caucus. Miss has demographics that favor Obama.

Does anyone know what Clinton's ground game is like in WY? I can't find any polls.

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I haven't lived there for awhile (none / 0) (#172)
by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:53:54 PM EST

I don't expect a large Dem turn out. Never has one. Very Republican state and very racist general population not liking the Clintons much.

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I was being a smart as*. That was the (none / 0) (#179)
by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:55:04 PM EST

Obama camp analysis I just heard on MSNBC.

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According to Huff Post, (none / 0) (#190)
by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:57:55 PM EST

Bill Clinton is campaigning there.

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He's campaigning in Wyoming? (none / 0) (#201)
by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:00:22 PM EST

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Yep. (none / 0) (#221)
by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:30:34 PM EST

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See, that just amazes me (none / 0) (#222)
by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:49:13 PM EST

I love it. I love Wyoming. The least populated state in the union and much of what is wrong with Wyoming is that nobody runs up there and challenges them to rub some different neurons up against each other. I just love it that Bill Clinton is there. I bet Dr.Kate at Orange is having the Wyoming time of her life ;)

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: I picture him leaning out of a (none / 0) (#223)
by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:09:11 PM EST

helicopter waving, smiling, and dropping leaflets.

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flipped!! (none / 0) (#156)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:49:43 PM EST

She's 8,000 votes ahead now (none / 0) (#160)
by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:51:47 PM EST

on CNN

NYTimes had Harris Cty reporting at 2% (none / 0) (#183)
by jawbone on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:56:08 PM EST

That is supposed to go big for Obama, right?

I should just turn the TV off, get off the computer, and try to zone out. This is way too stressful. How am I going to handle the general election (GE as an abbreviation for the general always makes me think of GE, the NBC owner, and th influence it has....)

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: Well, Hillary's heading for the hall in OH (5.00 / 1) (#209)
by jawbone on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:05:45 PM EST

so guess I'll listen to her speech.
Stay in good voice, Hil! Give 'em hell, Hil!
Tweety, get over it--she's going all the way, babe. Tweets now ranting about the Democratic Party being undemocratic. Like he never saw a brokered convention? Where after the first round, all delegate are free to change votes????
Oh, his crocodile tears.
Now, Andrea's going on about Hillary being pressured to stay in the race. Huh? Talk about filling time.
Why would she quit on April 23rd, Tweets? Seven weeks is a lifetime in politics--and the newbie might make some real huge mistakes by then.

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: I think she's going to carry TX (none / 0) (#204)
by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:02:38 PM EST

Seemed that way to me around Sunday and when I read the early latino vote turning out....I think she'll take it.

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CNN (none / 0) (#177)
by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:54:52 PM EST

is calling Ohio as well!!

Ohio Called for our Girl (none / 0) (#182)
by Salt on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:55:48 PM EST

CNN CALLS OHIO for HRC (none / 0) (#184)
by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:56:11 PM EST

No one in a century has been elected to the White House without Ohio.

: For the 1st time (none / 0) (#198)
by sumac on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:59:56 PM EST

in a month, I am allowing myself a teeny bit of hope. I shouldn't. I hate heart break...

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HRC pulls farther ahead in TX ... (none / 0) (#187)
by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:56:51 PM EST

almost 20K.

Late deciders... (none / 0) (#199)
by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:00:00 PM EST

breaking HUGE for Clinton in both Ohio and Texas.

Mo has shifted.

chris matthews (none / 0) (#213)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:11:30 PM EST

is on trying to explain away these wins for Hillary and how Barack is still the presumptive nominee. Priceless. Hillary is about to speak. Definitely a great night.

oberman and matthews (none / 0) (#215)
by DandyTIger on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:12:29 PM EST

Oberman says to Chris, is there anything tonght that means anytyhing. Chris says yes, Obama has the most delegates, and that's all that matters. Man, these guys don't quit.

: Tweety (none / 0) (#219)
by litigatormom on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:17:45 PM EST

By the rules of the game, Obama has already won, its a regulation game, Clinton's are so ambitious and entitled.
And Tweety suffers so badly from CDS (Clinton Derangement Syndrome).
Russert: "Clinton will spin Ohio." Like its not a real victory.

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Hillary on C-Span 2 NOW! (none / 0) (#220)
by jen on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:18:47 PM EST

Here.

Comments now closed here (none / 0) (#224)
by Jeralyn on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:13:58 PM EST

new threads are open,

Hmm (none / 0) (#225)
by chemoelectric on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:14:56 PM EST

My conclusion from all that I have seen is that there is no such definable thing as momentum in all this. It's rationalization made mainly by people who are wasting their time that could be spent doing something creative.

I'm just sitting back and letting the results come in, and they seem simply to divide up regionally and so forth. Meanwhile, my stupendous brain is free to solve the problems of the world. (I expect results in about 20 or 30 years.)

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