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Election Results Live Thread: First Edition

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:02:23 PM EST
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Ohio's polls close in 30 minutes. Big Tent Democrat and I will be live-blogging the results and other election news coverage. We'll start when the polls close.

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Update [2008-3-4 19:20:44 by Big Tent Democrat]: Fox states that exit polls show tight races in Rhode Island, Texas and Ohio. Who knows what that could mean.

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    CNN declares VT for Obama (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by fuzzyone on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:06:56 PM EST
    No surprise even with 0% of the precincts.

    Why Vermont, College-Educated, San Francisco (none / 0) (#2)
    by catfish on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:08:26 PM EST
    Any guesses as to why these groups go for Obama?

    My theory: temperament. Obama's temperament is more liberal, even though on economic issues he might be more free-market.

    [ Parent ]

    For me and me only (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:13:37 PM EST
    all his voice modulation seems to soothe "liberal" but his actual record on many issues is not that liberal and Clinton's record on many issues is more liberal.  So I didn't lose my mind I've stayed away from the net since the whole mercenary thing and then Clinton cosponsored the bill getting rid of them in Jan 09.  Has Obama's stance on needing mercs changed these past few days?

    [ Parent ]
    No, he hasn't changed on Mercs (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by catfish on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:17:08 PM EST
    Can't believe these antiwar voters either don't know or don't care about that.

    [ Parent ]
    Because the anti-war folks (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:27:16 PM EST
    Have let being part of the movement to overtake the party trump their principles on the issue.

    If the DLC suddenly and inexplicably brought Bush up on charges at the Hague while Obama issued pardons in the hopes of creating bipartisanship, well, we know what would happen.

    [ Parent ]

    Wine Track Libs (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Dalton Hoffine on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:14:22 PM EST
    I happen to be a wine track liberal. :3 I love wine, at least, and I'm an elitist college student going to a private liberal arts school, so I'm firmly in his demographic.

    I think why Obama does well amongst this demo is due largely to the fact that he comes off as being more... confident and maybe presidential(?) than Clinton. What a lot of Clinton supporters see as arrogance and elitism, we see as confidence and visionary-style leadership.

    To us, I think the issues don't matter as much as the intangibles do. Not necessarily "hope" and "change", but things like... articulation, who has the better image abroad (they both have fantastic images abroad), and who seems like they have the bigger dreams. I think we're more emotional voters than maybe most of the electorate is. Obama, to us, is also heavily liberal (maybe not on economy or health care but in other areas), and we like 'em as leftist as we can get. I'm a self-proclaimed socialist/Marxist, for example.

    [ Parent ]

    yikes! (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by sarahfdavis on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:21:32 PM EST
    He's not liberal "on the economy and healthcare but in other areas".
    So what would those "other areas" be? You're a socialist/marxist but Obama isn't liberal on economic issues? You're not really making the case for supporting him other than being "more emotional".

    [ Parent ]
    Why go for O? (5.00 / 4) (#11)
    by cmugirl on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:19:17 PM EST
    No clue.  I am a huge HRC fan, but I'm under 40 and I have 3 degrees.  He doesn't appeal to me.  Frankly, the more I hear from him and about him, the more he completely turns me off.  He inspired me when he spoke at the 2004 Dem convention, but now I just see him as another opportunist politician.

    Hillary has her flaws, but with her, we know what we are getting.  He's too unknown, and he didn't come literally out of nowhere and not have some skeletons in his closet.  Too risky.

    [ Parent ]

    I'm gonna tell the truth (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:23:12 PM EST

    My opinion.  These folks aren't acting rationally.  When you have the military folks endorsing Clinton on the one side and people like Capt. Gay Marriage Newsom endorsing on the other, I don't really see much of a rational reason.  Nor have I seen a rational reason expressed by any of these people.

    In the end, all the arguments were based on electability playing up the Clinton polarization meme.

    I haven't really told the truth about what I really think.  It wouldn't go over well.

    The tamest way to say it.

    Sisko came before Janeway.

    [ Parent ]

    Maybe to them Establishment=Conservative (none / 0) (#33)
    by catfish on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:28:30 PM EST
    Because he's not the establishment candidate, he seems more liberal.

    Yeah, I don't voice my opinion in the offline world either.

    [ Parent ]

    Do you think it is irrational of (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:43:15 PM EST
    military folks to endorse Clinton because she voted for the AUMF?

    [ Parent ]
    No (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:48:52 PM EST
    Do we want to discuss that?

    I agreed with Clinton's vote.  I would have a very unpopular opinion on that vote even for this otherwise refreshingly pro-(anti-anti-)Clinton Blog.

    [ Parent ]

    Well, John Kerry gave HRC a pass (none / 0) (#83)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:47:10 PM EST
    for not reading the NIE.

    [ Parent ]
    If that's why they endorsed her (none / 0) (#85)
    by catfish on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:47:15 PM EST
    it's strange, perhaps irrational.

    But if they endorsed her for other reasons, no.

    [ Parent ]

    These folks aren't acting rationally. (none / 0) (#229)
    by A DC Wonk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:49:05 PM EST
    Who?  All those who prefer Obama?  All 10 million+ who've voted for him before today?  Stellar Senators like Feingold?

    Am I misunderstanding you?

    [ Parent ]

    Feingold (none / 0) (#260)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:05:19 PM EST
    Feingold was also against Kosovo.

    And he voted for Roberts.

    I don't know what would be so questionable about the observation.  

    The college educated are suddenly prone to inspirational acts of faith in things like "bipartisanship," and "transformational change."  These are things that countless Politicians have promised in the past.

    [ Parent ]

    30 minutes! (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:09:27 PM EST
    I wish this night meant less to me than it does.

    Just heard from a Dem friend in Texas (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:12:04 PM EST
    She has been so excited about Obama. On Super Tuesday she could not sleep the night before. Tonight she is just waiting on the edge of her chair and believe it will all be over tonight. She even got her very very Republican husband to vote for O. So I asked her, would he vote for Obama in the GE or McCain. She said, Oh, no way he would ever vote for a Dem in the GE. Just will not happen. In fact, she added that she is well aware a Dem will never take Texas this year. I have not said who I was for at all and friendships are too important to argue with. But, it just makes me sick over these open primaries. I do not know who had this great idea but I feel so cheated that the Democratic candidate will be chosen not by the Democrats and that goes for Edwards, Obama, or Hillary.  

    I know what you mean about frienships. (none / 0) (#38)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:30:32 PM EST
    What I find strange is how many of my friends have just assumed I am for Obama and forward his fundraising emails to me. They never even asked! I don't get that.

    [ Parent ]
    My expectations for Hillary (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Coldblue on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:12:35 PM EST
    are very low, so just maybe I'll have another New Hampshire night.

    Not just Andrea... (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:23:32 PM EST
    Keith and Chris both looked like they were either going to cry or have a tantrum earlier.

    I've never seen Keith be so nasty (5.00 / 1) (#238)
    by vigkat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:54:31 PM EST
    It's unattractive.

    [ Parent ]
    That's a better predictor than exit polls! nt (none / 0) (#40)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:31:23 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    you want to see a nasty race? (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:35:45 PM EST
    Backstabbing, charges of religious impropriety, spinning the media to smear your opponent?  Look at what Jefferson did to his rivals.  The man was vicious and used every tool at his disposal, especially to attack John Adams.

    Founding fathers (none / 0) (#91)
    by Arabella Trefoil on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:48:17 PM EST
    Were no band of brothers. They fought bitterly amongst themselves. Hamilton's enemies wrote screeds about him and his mistress. They really knew how to write in those days.

    It was all "asses and elbows" as our basketball playing interns say.

    [ Parent ]

    I have to say it (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:39:09 PM EST
    I hate Howard Fineman.      

    Ha, me too! nt (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:42:02 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Me 3 (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:42:49 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Me four (none / 0) (#278)
    by vigkat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:18:08 PM EST
    He has that cringe factor.

    [ Parent ]
    Richardson (5.00 / 4) (#63)
    by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:41:09 PM EST
    walking it back on MSNBC. Now saying the race is wide open if Clinton wins Ohio and Texas by any margin.

    good for him (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by Turkana on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:42:26 PM EST
    his previous take was ridiculous.

    [ Parent ]
    Ha!!! (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:42:35 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    And the funny thing is (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:47:44 PM EST
    they called him on the phone to get his take!

    [ Parent ]
    So that must mean (none / 0) (#78)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:44:31 PM EST
    that he thinks she's going to lose Texas.

    [ Parent ]
    The reverse I think (none / 0) (#82)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:46:45 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Me, Too (none / 0) (#124)
    by BDB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:58:21 PM EST
    My guess is that Governor Richardson saw that 67% of Democrats think she should stay in if she wins Ohio OR Texas.  And is worried that she might win both and therefore could still be the next President and he might need a job.

    What a joke.

    [ Parent ]

    I'll give Bill Richardson a pass (none / 0) (#158)
    by Virginian on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:11:41 PM EST
    I think he was probably hedging his comments against the polls at the time...politics...pass

    [ Parent ]
    Richardson (none / 0) (#275)
    by Athena on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:16:14 PM EST
    Can the press please stop covering him and what he thinks about a race that he lost?

    [ Parent ]
    I kind of suspected (none / 0) (#84)
    by spit on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:47:11 PM EST
    having watched Richardson for years, that he didn't mean that last quote the way it came out, and the way it was interpreted.

    No evidence, though, just a suspicion. The guy just... he misspeaks a lot, so I always watch for that.

    [ Parent ]

    I've noticed that as well... (none / 0) (#105)
    by reynwrap582 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:51:23 PM EST
    I liked him at first when he announced, but the more I heard him speak, the more often I cringed.  His appearance at the LOGO forum was extremely disappointing and I think that's about the time I stopped really following his race.

    Wes Clark wasn't exactly on top of being a politician in 2004, and I was a big supporter back when the draft movement started.  It was painful sometimes, especially because I knew what he was trying to say, but the media were coloring his statements in a completely different way.  So... Frustrating...

    [ Parent ]

    Abt Richardson (none / 0) (#93)
    by AmyinSC on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:48:28 PM EST
    I know peple who worked for him at DOE and said he was a huge sexist pig.  I was not surprised that he was trying to get CLnton to drop out - he was probably mad that she did SO much better than he did...

    STILL - NO ONE should be calling for her to drop out - there are still lots of states to go, and people who want to have their say.  When are the Dems going to learn that AMERICANS DO NOT LIKE TO HAVE OUR VOTES DISCOUNTED?!?  Just wondering.

    [ Parent ]

    It sounds like they're holding out (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by reynwrap582 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:48:58 PM EST
    on calling Ohio because polls in Sandusky(sp?) county are staying open until 9pm.

    Jeralyn, Networks Not Calling Results (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by BDB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:49:37 PM EST
    The exit polling is too close for them to be sure it's right.  If their weighting is wrong just a bit, they'll be wrong.  So they'll wait to see some votes to see if they weighted the results right.

    Hmmm...what could this mean? (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:51:32 PM EST
    The exit poll also shows that Obama won Republicans (9% of the vote) by just 10% and Independents (22% of the vote) by just 8%.

    Limbuagh!! (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:52:25 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    I just love you BTD (none / 0) (#118)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:55:52 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Me, Too (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by BDB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:00:08 PM EST
    Hearts and Kisses to the Tepid Obama supporter!  And, Jeralyn as well, of course.

    Hey, during down time tonight, why don't folks drop some money in the Talk Left tip jar (or whatever their equivalent is).

    [ Parent ]

    Just knew you'd see the light. (none / 0) (#128)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:59:06 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    That tracks with some of the late polls (none / 0) (#115)
    by Shawn on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:54:38 PM EST
    I'm going to guess Clinton did better than the exits so that will probably be recalculated.

    [ Parent ]
    Get this... (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:56:49 PM EST
    Watching the Ohio News Network on C-SPAN; the Secretary of State says the Obama camp has violated rules in several counties in Ohio, from campaigning too close to the polling locations to trying to pass some workers as "monitors" in a county when they were not qualified to do so.

    Also, the Obama campaign has sued in another country and is now in front of a judge. No details yet.

    Ah, this is how Obama won in Chicago (none / 0) (#127)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:59:04 PM EST
    running others out of the race.

    [ Parent ]
    Suggestion for a poll (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by blogtopus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:57:53 PM EST
    How many people here considered themselves as part of the younger crowd until this primary?

    I'm 25 (5.00 / 3) (#129)
    by reynwrap582 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:59:25 PM EST
    and this primary has made me feel like an old fart.

    [ Parent ]
    More than Grey hair (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by blogtopus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:03:07 PM EST
    This has made me feel like I should be putting together a bucket list. And I'm 35.

    [ Parent ]
    That's hilarious (5.00 / 1) (#166)
    by NecSorteNecFato on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:18:53 PM EST
    I just turned 24 last week, and I agree, I feel ancient by the political standards of this race.

    [ Parent ]
    Fascinating (none / 0) (#206)
    by catfish on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:35:24 PM EST
    Hope this isn't off-topic but would love to hear what makes you feel old. Is it the hope thing - do people call you cynical for choosing your candidate?

    I'm 38, and yes, feel quite old. My 70-something friends like Obama and look forward to when his "army of young supporters" start changing the country. Ack!

    [ Parent ]

    Sign me up (none / 0) (#155)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:09:56 PM EST
    But I'm 45, so maybe I was kidding myself.


    [ Parent ]
    I didn't think of my self as "young" (none / 0) (#160)
    by vj on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:14:07 PM EST
    But certainly not old.  But this election has made me feel a bit older.  I'm 45.

    [ Parent ]
    Nope, I'm a teacher, so I (none / 0) (#169)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:19:49 PM EST
    am reminded daily of how incredibly old I am.

    [ Parent ]
    Right. Me too. I keep getting older and older and (none / 0) (#210)
    by derridog on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:36:52 PM EST
    the students stay always the same age.

    [ Parent ]
    Women like Obama (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by catfish on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:59:56 PM EST
    Am I the only one to get a misogynist vibe from both the candidate and his campaign?

    No you aren't (5.00 / 2) (#142)
    by Arabella Trefoil on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:03:44 PM EST
    I definitely feel the vibe. I can't quantify it, though.

    [ Parent ]
    You are not alone (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:06:25 PM EST
    But I would say sexist, not necessarily misogynist.

    [ Parent ]
    No. (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by Boston Boomer on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:07:34 PM EST
    You're not the only one by any means.


    [ Parent ]
    I know it's been counted (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:10:59 PM EST
    But how many women are in Obama's campaign/inner circle?

    [ Parent ]
    Apart from Michelle? (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:25:52 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Decidedly no (5.00 / 1) (#170)
    by echinopsia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:20:32 PM EST
    you are not the only one.

    A non-sexist would not take advantage of the sexism that's been used against Clinton. It would not hurt him to denounce it - it would help him, especially with the demographics that are staunchly pro-Clinton. But he won't do it.

    Not only sexist but a dumb campaign move. I guess he doesn't want to risk losing the misogynist vote.

    [ Parent ]

    Vibe (none / 0) (#257)
    by Athena on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:04:46 PM EST
    No, you're not alone.  A barely disguised contempt is apparent.

    [ Parent ]
    CNN reports Bush and Cheney (5.00 / 3) (#134)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:01:40 PM EST
    will be arrested for war crimes if they go to Brattleboro, Vermont, which voted for that measure by about two to one. Blitzer now is asking what that means. Uh, Wolfie, it means that Bush and Cheney will be arrested . . . etc. But this shows how significant the issue of the war is in Vermont -- as it also is reported that it leads all the states in war casualties, per capita.

    I would pay to see that. (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:03:43 PM EST

    "Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
    [ Parent ]

    We gotta start taking bets.. (none / 0) (#139)
    by reynwrap582 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:03:20 PM EST
    I put my money on the Secret Service over the Brattleboro Police.

    [ Parent ]
    you're right, jeralyn (5.00 / 2) (#144)
    by Turkana on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:05:34 PM EST
    the whole key to clinton's chances is to have a credible argument, for the super delegates. that means winning tonight, winning pa, winning revotes in fl and mi. that would mean big momentum, obama clearly looking like he's stumbling, national polls probably trending clinton, and head-to-heads showing her at least as strong against mccain. it's an inside straight, but not impossible. if she wins tonight...

    Ohio (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:09:13 PM EST
    Ohio New Netwok reports that 59% of voters in Ohio were women. They voted for Clinton by more than a 10 point spread. This is based on exit polling.

    Yay for the new server! (5.00 / 2) (#154)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:09:23 PM EST
    I want HC to win Texas and Ohio so we can see Obama speaking after not having a great night. Maybe he will learn some humility and I'll like him so much more if he goes on to win.

    I thought history has shown (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by Virginian on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:18:13 PM EST
    he doesn't give speeches after a loss...

    [ Parent ]
    okay, one thing is now clear (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by Turkana on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:18:36 PM EST
    only 11,000 people voted, in Ohio...

    Texas is looking bad. Especially compared (5.00 / 1) (#168)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:19:09 PM EST
    to exit polls. Too early?

    Very earlky especisally since you have no idea (5.00 / 3) (#171)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:21:02 PM EST
    where the vote is coming from. South Texas is the key to Hillary.

    [ Parent ]
    Based on the awful Texas SOS Website (5.00 / 2) (#186)
    by BDB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:26:17 PM EST
    It looks like most of it is early voters in Dallas county.  But, again, the SOS website sucks.

    [ Parent ]
    Too early (5.00 / 2) (#177)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:22:50 PM EST
    Obama got some polling stations in Ohio reopened apparently.

    [ Parent ]
    Obama Spin (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by BDB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:21:49 PM EST
    Clinton can't win.  As Jerome Armstrong pointed out, neither can Obama!

    Did anyone see that Obama has sued in Ohio? (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:22:41 PM EST
    Got this by email: The Secretary of State in Ohio says Obama has filed a lawsuit. here's the email.

    Secy of State Brunner just confirmed ton C-Span hat Obama has filed a lawsuit in Cuyahoga County regarding insufficient ballots, although she says that no voters were turned away, and that the polling places were authorized to photocopy ballots where necessary (provisional ballots, I believe). She also said that there have been issues with the Obama campaign all day, so the suit did not surprise her. Her exact words were that there had been "significant difficulties" with the Obama campaign today. She mentioned 2 issues specifically:

    • Obama observers w/out credentials
    • Reports of Obama people standing w/in 100 feet of polling places.

    I believe she said that it is in Sandusky County were they are allowed to photocopy ballots. She said that her office issued a directive on the procedure for hand counting ballots.
    Yes (5.00 / 2) (#184)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:25:54 PM EST
    He wanted to extend the hours for Cleveland claiming that the weather and a lack of ballots has restricted voting.  The judge agreed and extended the polls until 9:00.  

    I think this is why the Ohio results are holding at the same number.

    [ Parent ]

    Case like that was thrown out here (5.00 / 2) (#189)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:27:37 PM EST
    in Wisconsin a while ago. As long as ballots are provided -- photocopied is fine -- it's no case. This seems reminiscent of the sort of legalistic, last-minute stuff in Obama's past in Chicago . . . or like a way to cloud the coverage of results if not going his way.

    [ Parent ]
    Yes (none / 0) (#198)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:29:30 PM EST
    Clearly a nefarious plot by Obama.  

    His lawsuit to extend the poll hours is all part of his evil plan.

    [ Parent ]

    Nothing about poll hours (none / 0) (#202)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:33:58 PM EST
    in the post to which I replied. Calm down.

    [ Parent ]
    They had some (none / 0) (#207)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:36:16 PM EST
    state official on Fox explaining that the lawsuit is about keeping the polls open.

    [ Parent ]
    The law suit (5.00 / 1) (#193)
    by Arabella Trefoil on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:28:13 PM EST
    is significant news. If Obama's people are crossing the line like this, does it help him to call attention to it?

    I can't wait to hear "But Clinton did it too!" Or "Clinton made it rain!"

    This makes Obama look weak.

    [ Parent ]

    these early texas returns (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by Turkana on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:25:49 PM EST
    are largely houston, dallas, and austin.

    Why do you say that? (none / 0) (#187)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:26:32 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    go to the cnn site (none / 0) (#197)
    by Turkana on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:29:22 PM EST
    and put your cursor over the county maps.

    [ Parent ]
    Be careful with the data (none / 0) (#204)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:34:44 PM EST
    The cities are still reporting 0% of the delegates on that map.  

    From a sheer numbers pov the vast majority of Dems in Texas will be in the cities.

    [ Parent ]

    if we knew the margins (5.00 / 1) (#211)
    by Turkana on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:37:21 PM EST
    each side needed, in the cities, we could get an idea of where things stand.

    [ Parent ]
    Very true (none / 0) (#218)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:41:46 PM EST
    Heck if we knew how many Dems voted today we would get an idea of what's going on.

    With 800,000 votes already in I have to imagine that is somewhere between 40-50% of the total vote in Texas.  New York has 19 Million people to Texas's 23 but a much more Democratic base.  And they had 1.8 Dem voters.

    [ Parent ]

    and yet it says (none / 0) (#223)
    by Turkana on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:45:47 PM EST
    1% of precincts.

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    That's the problem I'm noticing (none / 0) (#228)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:49:01 PM EST
    Ohio has 1% voting and about 20,000 votes.  Texas has 1% voting with 800,000 votes.  What the heck is that all about?  I think they are messing with us.

    [ Parent ]
    early voting? (none / 0) (#236)
    by A DC Wonk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:54:00 PM EST
    Perhaps the 1% means "all the early voting we've collected, plus 1% of precincts reporting for votes cast tonight?"

    That's the only way it makes sense to me -- but I'm just grasping at straws here.

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    All early voting (none / 0) (#246)
    by Democratic Cat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:57:52 PM EST
    counts as one precinct, I think.

    [ Parent ]
    Blitzer just said (none / 0) (#252)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:01:36 PM EST
    that the 1% represents the number of precincts that have completed counting and that a lot of precincts had provided partial numbers.

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    You would be wrong (none / 0) (#232)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:51:20 PM EST
    There will be over 2.5 million votes cast tonight

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    2.5 million (none / 0) (#241)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:55:38 PM EST
    votes in the Dem primary?  As I said I didn't know the total vote count.  

    No need to be a snot about it.

    [ Parent ]

    Check RCp (none / 0) (#230)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:49:15 PM EST
    Nothing surprising in the margins YET though Hillary's  margins in the South. It's way early though.

    [ Parent ]
    Someone should tell (5.00 / 1) (#192)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:28:07 PM EST
    Blitzer that Cayuhaga<sp> is still open and that's why the results have been frozen for 30 minutes.

    CNN's map looks like the Texas vote is (5.00 / 1) (#196)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:29:12 PM EST
    from big cities so far.

    gotta love it - (5.00 / 1) (#208)
    by Briana on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:36:47 PM EST
     .. Chuck Todd .. ;)

    Hi All .. . and thanks for doing this ..

    looks like Hillary is doing fine in the rural areas in Texas , so far - on the Cnn map thing anyway .. battle going on in Houston . Hillary 50&
    Obama 49% ..

    HC is racking up in West TX and South TX. (5.00 / 2) (#209)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:36:48 PM EST


    Tiny numbers in those counties though. (none / 0) (#222)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:44:41 PM EST


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    Awwww...gie her a hug! (5.00 / 1) (#212)
    by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:38:58 PM EST
    MSNBC - Andrea Mitchell now saying that, contrary to her previous reports, Clinton will have enough institutional support to continue on after tonight even if she does not win both Ohio and Texas.

    Institutional support.... (none / 0) (#216)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:41:45 PM EST
    Like we crazies at the talk-left asylum? ;-)

    In other words, did she give any specifics?

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    That means that the party leaders (none / 0) (#235)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:53:37 PM EST
    will not listen to Andrea Mitchell or others in the media but, instead, will listen to the voters. That must be making Andrea's mophead explode.

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    Polls staying open (5.00 / 1) (#242)
    by robertearl on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:55:50 PM EST
    In Ohio due to bad weather.

    I cannot stand this anymore (5.00 / 1) (#250)
    by MichaelGale on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:00:20 PM EST
    I am just to anxious.  Will check back later.

    You are doing a great job.  Thank you BTD and TL

    TX Exits released ... (5.00 / 1) (#256)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:04:45 PM EST
    looks like another win for Hillary

    Turnout:  Women 57, Men 53

    Clinton 53 Women, Obama 52 Men

    Of course ... (none / 0) (#261)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:05:49 PM EST
    I mean 43 men in turnout.

    [ Parent ]
    CNN Exit poll (5.00 / 1) (#259)
    by Shawn on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:05:06 PM EST
    Hillary ahead 50/49.

    If 14% more women voted, how can it be (none / 0) (#264)
    by Teresa on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:10:44 PM EST
    that close?

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    Headline Chicago Sun-Times today (5.00 / 2) (#266)
    by RalphB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:12:07 PM EST
    Sen. Obama, time to call us about Rezko: (312) 321-2417

    Come Clean (none / 0) (#271)
    by Athena on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:14:59 PM EST
    Saw that.  The Sun-Times people are really going after him now - emboldened by his poor performance before the press yesterday.

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    Dare I point out how thrilling it is (5.00 / 2) (#274)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:15:56 PM EST
    HRC seems to be beating the odds?

    Still There (none / 0) (#277)
    by Athena on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:17:24 PM EST
    She won't go away....and I'm watching the mourners gather on MSNBC.

    [ Parent ]
    Pesky, isn't she? (none / 0) (#279)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:18:41 PM EST


    [ Parent ]
    Tenacious! (none / 0) (#284)
    by echinopsia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:25:03 PM EST


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    I'm getting a laugh (none / 0) (#280)
    by Arabella Trefoil on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:19:50 PM EST
    over the folks who demand the HRC step down for the good of the party. C'mon, play fair. Get out of Obama's way.

    [ Parent ]
    my sister just called from a texas caucus (5.00 / 1) (#281)
    by hellothere on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:21:19 PM EST
    i could hear yelling in the background. she cut me off and said she couldn't talk anymore.

    Seneca (none / 0) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:17:41 PM EST
    Not here. not tonight.

    Go to Daily Kos.

    Honestly, BTD (none / 0) (#20)
    by Seneca on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:23:28 PM EST
    Was that comment uncivil? I expressed my view about a candidate. It certainly is not your view, but it was a reasonable, bona fide view.

    [ Parent ]
    Not here not tonight (none / 0) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:25:49 PM EST
    Seneca. Go express that "reasonable" view at another web site.

    [ Parent ]
    MSNBC spin (none / 0) (#12)
    by americanincanada on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:19:29 PM EST
    is now that Obama can get more delegates from Vermont than Clinton may get from a win in Ohio and Texas. What is that about? Weird and funny spin.

    Andrea Mitchel looks like she is going to a wake.

    Heh ... (none / 0) (#13)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:21:23 PM EST
    will they be putting on their mourning clothes before the night is over?

    [ Parent ]
    Mitchell (none / 0) (#15)
    by Shawn on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:22:07 PM EST
    Andrea Mitchel looks like she is going to a wake.

    Whose?


    [ Parent ]

    Gloria Borger on CNN (none / 0) (#17)
    by Coldblue on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:22:23 PM EST
    said pretty much the same thing.

    [ Parent ]
    Good news about Mitchell (none / 0) (#18)
    by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:22:37 PM EST
    they always look so depressed when they think Clinton might win.

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah (none / 0) (#21)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:23:31 PM EST
    but what color is her pantsuit?

    [ Parent ]
    So Because Obama Won Vermont (none / 0) (#66)
    by BDB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:41:36 PM EST
    it won't matter if Clinton wins Texas and Ohio?  And they complain about Clinton moving the goal posts.

    [ Parent ]
    Liberalism (none / 0) (#25)
    by Dalton Hoffine on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:25:14 PM EST
    Specifically, I like Obama's stances on federal student aid funding (as well as Clintons--Obama's are a bit more promising), his former support of single-payer health systems (I don't believe much either of them say in the race), his globalist voting record, and strong support for veterans' rights and the environment.

    I also like the sort of "High Broderism" that has been critiqued a lot lately. I don't care too much about Democrats or Republicans, and I'm not for firm standing on issues--I'd rather make compromise after compromise as long as we get things done, because I think it's the best way to get to the heart of most of America.

    I have to ask which Republicans can Democrats (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by Molly Bloom on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:51:17 PM EST
    compromise with?

    I am fairly pragmatic, I just don't this version of the GOP compromising... on anything. The Bob Michael Republicans (the old compromisers) were taken out back by the Newt- Delay gang and shot at dawn.

    "Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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