Ohio Exit Polls

CNN's Ohio exit polls:

Hillary is getting voters without college degrees. College educated voters are going to Obama. That's all they reported so far.

CNN's Ohio results page is here.
MSNBC's Ohio results page is here.

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    Nothing new in that (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:39:25 PM EST

    But Ohio is low in college-educated (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:45:14 PM EST
    (as is my state) compared to the rest of the country. So it says something . . . although, again, not much without knowing their turnout.

    [ Parent ]
    Strange that I haven't seen (none / 0) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:50:07 PM EST
    any talking head pointing that fact out.  I hadn't even thought about it myself and though I have many well educated friends in Texas, Texas is not known for its pursuit of higher education.

    [ Parent ]
    Texas is a couple of points higher (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:00:06 PM EST
    at more than 23% of the population with college degrees or more, just under the U.S. norm at 24.4%. Ohio is low at 21%. For purposes of comparison with a recent primary, Wisconsin is in between at a bit over 22%. And no, talking heads and media often don't want to deal with these states -- as education is the key predictor of income, and we don't have a socio-economic class system in this country, do we? :-)

    [ Parent ]
    Why, why, why do college-educ. (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:39:36 PM EST
    voters vote for Obama and those w/o college degrees vote for Obama?  Can't wait for the post-election books analyzing all this.  

    Correction: non-college educ. (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:43:19 PM EST
    vote for HRC.

    [ Parent ]
    Wish I could understand that dynamic too (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:44:05 PM EST
    because I just don't get it either.

    [ Parent ]
    Definition of 'Intellectual' (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by blogtopus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:07:44 PM EST
    I think it was Clarke who said it, or Asimov: "An intellectual is someone who has been educated beyond their mental capacity."

    JK I don't understand what it is about the willful ignorance that goes with the really smart Obama supporters. Is Hope (TM) really that cloying? Or is this just another variation on the Shock Doctrine?

    [ Parent ]

    Love the Clarke quote ... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:09:21 PM EST
    I feel that way sometimes.

    But I think my mom just said:  "Too smart for your own good."

    [ Parent ]

    really incredible (none / 0) (#30)
    by A DC Wonk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:12:27 PM EST
    so now we're on some sort of anti-intellectual thread?  I'd expect that of a RW GOP blog.

    [ Parent ]
    Intellectual definition (none / 0) (#37)
    by blogtopus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:17:49 PM EST
    I think we're talking about two different things. RW sites despise education in general, because it is usually harder to bamboozle those people.

    Of course, that was before people like GWB managed to convince a whole swath of otherwise smart people to vote for him. I think Karl Rove probably remembers lesson #1 of a good con artist: Let the mark convince themselves that they are smart to play along.

    It's the emperor's new clothes all over again. If you don't like Obama, then you must be one of those un-smart people.

    Ok, that's too strong too. But we aren't complaining about educated people in general. Just those folks who don't really follow the a + b = c reasoning that we expect them to.

    [ Parent ]

    Yep, and I've detected a high level (none / 0) (#39)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:18:56 PM EST
    of highly educated folks here -- Ph.D.'s, J.D.'s, etc. Some of us really did find that, the more we went to school, the more we had to learn. But hubris and humilitas can only be learned, and some here may not have completed that course yet.

    [ Parent ]
    willful ignorance? (none / 0) (#29)
    by A DC Wonk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:11:27 PM EST
    I don't understand what it is about the willful ignorance that goes with the really smart Obama supporters.

    C'mon . . . is that kind of comment conducive to productive discussion at all?

    Is Sen Feingold (to take just one example) common to "willful ignorance"?

    [ Parent ]

    Granted (none / 0) (#32)
    by blogtopus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:14:06 PM EST
    I appreciate thinkers who support Obama; I know they are smart people. I just can't see their reasoning for supporting him, and when I ask them about it, they either can't name an exact policy or action he did (aside from the speech or his books) that supports their views, or they get snippy and defensive.

    If I've offended you, I apologize, that was perhaps too strong. But I can't see the logic in it.

    [ Parent ]

    I'd be happy to have (none / 0) (#44)
    by A DC Wonk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:23:12 PM EST
    an offline discussion about it with you.


    Not to try to convince you to change your preference.  But to convince you that thoughtful smart people on both sides of this have reasonable and defensible positions.

    [ Parent ]

    On Halperin's page (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Shawn on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:44:05 PM EST
    Clinton winning those who think "NAFTA takes jobs away" 51/48.

    I saw an exit poll on MSNBC (none / 0) (#8)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:49:54 PM EST
    ..that said that something like 87% of those polled in Ohio felt that Nafta had taken away jobs. So that's almost the election right there, if it's true.

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah, the link says 81% (none / 0) (#10)
    by Shawn on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:50:29 PM EST

    [ Parent ]
    with the late polls and the contrasting exit polls (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by sammiemorris on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:56:06 PM EST
    its been fun watching John Aravosis at AmericaBlog have a meltdown today. First, when late polls suggested that Hillary was surging, he unleashed a torrent of anti-Hillary posts on top of his earlier threats about rumors related to Bill. Now that the exit polls suggest more favorable results for Obama, he seems to have calmed down to referring to Senator Clinton as Hillary Huckabee.

    If anyone should be truly ashamed, it should be John Aravosis.

    While we wait (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by fuzzyone on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:00:39 PM EST
    Open left has some interesting charts of composite exit polls and late deciders.

    Fascinating to see (none / 0) (#21)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:03:55 PM EST
    how much those differ from U.S. norms in many categories -- who does and who doesn't vote.

    [ Parent ]
    Did BC also (none / 0) (#7)
    by NJDem on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:47:48 PM EST
    loose the college-educated vote?  I get why blue-collar workers support her/them, but I don't understand why more (formally) educated people don't like the person with more experience and specific plans?  

    I mean, who doubts how smart the Clinton's are?  I think it may be a classist thing, i.e. viewing the Clinton's as some type of hicks.  Plus liberal guilt.

    Well non scientifically (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Virginian on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:56:43 PM EST
    I imagine you'd find similar splits among marketing lines too; specifically trend savvy splits.

    Who buys the iphone...etc...I don't discount viral marketing, and Obama kicked off his campaign with viral marketing...I would bet my bottom dollar that the same demographic that viral marketing targets, is BOs market...starting at the college campus.

    [ Parent ]

    We haven't purchased an iphone yet (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:05:07 PM EST
    because it is still getting all the kinks ironed out and when you become a "mature" adult it is hard to get excited about getting to stand in line and pay a ton of money for something unproven and iffy.  Once again I sound just like another Hillary voter though ;)

    [ Parent ]
    Eh (none / 0) (#11)
    by spit on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:52:33 PM EST
    anecdotally, it makes a kind of sense to me that Obama's arguments, many of which are essentially about process and governing philosophy, resonate better with the college crowd.

    [ Parent ]
    And some educated people don't like people (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Angel on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:54:44 PM EST
    who are smarter.....

    [ Parent ]
    Heh, I know a couple of those ;) (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:02:12 PM EST
    Is that what it is?  They've paid a fortune for this giant sheep skin and by God they are the smartest!  They may not be able to recover their education costs but you will respect them as the smartest ones and you will have a hard time finder anyone smarter, they'll make sure of that ;)

    [ Parent ]
    Just remember: Education doesn't equal (none / 0) (#22)
    by Angel on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:04:40 PM EST

    [ Parent ]
    Only debt ;) (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:06:37 PM EST

    [ Parent ]
    Um... (none / 0) (#33)
    by AmyinSC on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:15:53 PM EST
    As a VERY well-educated person (Master's plus additional post-grad work), I do not know who the heck they are asking - not me, that's for sure.  I know a number of PhD's, including my uncle (who lives in TX), cousin, and others, who are STAUNCH Clinton supporters, as am I.  

    To be honest, it seems like the media is trying to portray some kind of class division, which is offensive.  That is to say, why do they have such a hard time acknowledging that Clinton has a RANGE of supporters?  Oh, wait - I know - because that does not fit their narrative of OBAMA as the great UNITER.  Yeah.  Right.

    And yes, I do still have debt - mainly from grad school in NYC, though!  :-)

    [ Parent ]

    Bingo! (none / 0) (#36)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:17:45 PM EST
    Of course that's what they're doing.

    Think of the Demographics of people who cable news and you understand it better.

    [ Parent ]

    I can't type ... (none / 0) (#38)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:18:35 PM EST
    "who watch cable television" i meant

    [ Parent ]
    Because (none / 0) (#45)
    by flyerhawk on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:23:16 PM EST
    even a commanding lead in a demographic still means that 30-40% of people are voting the other way.

    Even Utah has liberals although you would never think that based on the narrative about red state vs blue state.

    [ Parent ]

    And honestly (none / 0) (#26)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:08:20 PM EST
    ...it takes some pretty astounding intelligence to survive when money is estraordinarily tight, you're working 3 jobs while raising kids, etc, etc.

    ...talk about creative class!  

    (yes, I come from the worker class).

    [ Parent ]

    um, typo (none / 0) (#40)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:19:36 PM EST

    Typo Queen Estraordinaire.

    [ Parent ]

    That stat is not about intelligence (none / 0) (#42)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:21:33 PM EST
    not about IQ; it's about educational level. And allow me, as an educator, point out that all it takes to get a college degree is a C average.

    [ Parent ]
    my theory (none / 0) (#35)
    by Kathy on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:17:42 PM EST
    college education = more money = more time to stop and smell the hope.  It's easy to rail against the system when it won't affect your standard of living one way or another.

    Working class people are too busy trying to get by.  I'm sure someone will remember who said this in California: they don't need hope.  They need help.

    [ Parent ]

    Magnificent Maxine Waters (none / 0) (#43)
    by RalphB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:22:44 PM EST

    [ Parent ]
    Some Exits via Jonathan Springer MyDD (none / 0) (#13)
    by sar75 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:55:43 PM EST
    For what they're worth (not much).  Basically, deadlocked.  We might not know until tomorrow.

    Vermont: Obama 67, Clinton 33
    Ohio: Obama 51, Clinton 49
    Texas: Obama 51, Clinton 49
    Rhode Island: Clinton 49, Obama 49


    Those aren't looking good for Clinton (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Cream City on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:01:44 PM EST
    with losing Ohio. Why are his exit polls not good?

    [ Parent ]
    I have no idea... (none / 0) (#31)
    by sar75 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:13:29 PM EST
    ...although Clinton within 1 or 2 in Ohio still isn't good for her.

    But let's face it, it's going to be a long a night....

    Also, for what it's worth, Tom Brokaw said a source told him Obama has 50 supers lined up, ready to announce.  Who knows, but that would be devastating.

    [ Parent ]

    They look bad (none / 0) (#34)
    by Shawn on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:17:07 PM EST
    But remember the Super Tuesday exits:

    Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45
    Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48
    New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47
    California: Clinton 50, Obama 47
    New Mexico: Obama 52, Clinton 47

    I think the demographic and internal numbers tell us they're probably a little off again.

    [ Parent ]

    Exit poll report (none / 0) (#16)
    by magster on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:59:27 PM EST
    Katie Couric's big love fest with Obama tonight (none / 0) (#28)
    by Josey on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:10:18 PM EST
    included her interviewS with men in Ohio who would not vote for a woman for president.

    Read: It's perfectly acceptable to publicly admit being a misogynist, but not a racist.

    My 2 cents from Ohio (none / 0) (#41)
    by trishb on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:20:29 PM EST
    Here in SW Ohio, the weather was lousy, but not horrendous.  I'm in an incredibly Republican area, NE Hamilton County.  My town, Loveland is in 3 counties - Hamilton, Warren, and Clermont.

    The poll workers didn't seem to know the rules.  Both my roommate and I voted today and both of us were questioned on our IDs.  The addresses on the licenses didn't match the records.  I went so far as to bring the polling place notice sent by the board of election.  They offered a provisional ballot to my roomie, but he grumbled until they gave him the regular one.  They had to call over a supervisor to deal with it.